THE TOP 10 IN THE 2023 NHL DRAFT IS STACKED! What Are YOUR Thoughts On MY Rankings? What Do YOU Agree & Disagree With? And Who Do YOU Want YOUR Team to Draft? I'd LOVE to Hear YOUR Thoughts! #GravGang #RoadTo60kSUBS
for sure, as a habs fan i really hope we land one of them if possible i have seen fantili play once and hes good but if dach pans out there basically the same player and we already have suzuki, I would lose it if we got bedard and we could put him on the wing with dach and slafkovksy chefs kiss
@@jacklawn9840 Nah, Fantilli ain’t nothing like Dach, on all levels. Fantilli is a franchise player, probably a mix of MacKinnon and Kreider stylistically speaking. He’s electrefying.
@@prodICYN I’m not sold on Roy yet. I feel like he might be a bit of a one season wonder. Also, Gallagher had a bad year, but so did everyone on the team. If he can bounce back at all he’s a very solid bottom 6 forward.
Could be fun for sure. Always depends how Lucky they get in the lottery. Id be 100% happy with Fantilli but of course the big prize is still Bedard plus he as a french name so its natural fit (ok im kidding for this one) but Bedard reminds me of McDavid (not in is style or size) in the sense of how dominating he was in the juniors.
AS OF Right Now (Aug. 2022) My personal rankings (not mock, just personal preferences) goes something like this : 1- Connor Bedard 2- Matvei Michkov 3- Adam Fantilli 4- Brayden Yager 5- Dalibor Dvorsky 6- Otto Stenberg 7- Zach Benson 8- Leo Carlsson
I want Michkov on the wild soooo bad. Him playing with alongside Kaprizov would be insane. Since we will likely miss out, I hope Yurov takes a massive step to fill that RW, opposite side, with Kaprizov. The Russian duo top line.
I expect Detroit to push for a possible playoff spot next season. If for some reason Detroit doesn't make the playoffs, I would like to see Yzerman draft Matthew Wood of the Victoria Grizzlies if they are drafting 13th-16th overall. I could also see Yzerman trading up to draft a player like Leo Carlsson as well. Keep your eyes on prospect Matthew Wood this guy is elite!!!
I would be super happy if Montreal drafted Bedard = Generational talent Fantilli = Power forward center Dvorski: Crazy Slovak line with Slafkovsky and Mesar Special mention to Charlie Stramel ( Big Unit) on the right wing Slafsquash on the right wing would be a devastating line
@@politicalbandwagon4989 He's another small RW Sniper, too similar to caufield, they'd either need a power forward or a playmaker to play at LW, Dvorski would be great as 2C, then you can move Dach to 3C and have the slovak line, and bedard is bedard
@@samuelmarchyyy63marchand75 oh I would love mitchkov on the habs don't get me wrong, I was talking about him being on a line with caufield and suzuki. And I was talking purely based on team needs, not best player possible. The best players habs could draft in the top 5 based on needs are, in order, bedard, fantilli, dvorsky, mitchkov. *again, not a mock draft*
Just a suggestion, you seem to talk more about the draft then the league already. For example you never posted the Debrincat trade but are already talking about 23 prospects. I’d like to hear more about the present if possible
Watch out for Winnipeg Ice forward Zach Benson, this kid is dynamite. I like that you understand how stacked Winnipeg was. If he gets a chance to play with Matthew Savoi and Connor Geezie, watch out, a 100 point season not out of the question as a 17 year old.
As a Hawks fan I'd be totally happy with Michkov if he can get over here at some point. Bedard is a stud but i think Michkov will be the best player in this draft and could wind up as the best russian to play in the NHL not named Ovi.
I think Michkov is most likely going to be better than Ovechkin. He's almost NHL ready already, and I think he could break the NHL goal record if not for his KHL contract.
No the bedard is better and he will be a better player he also has a higher ceiling then michkov people are considering a generational talent in the making I'm pretty damn sure he will be the best player of this draft class and michkov should be the second.
Michkov would go no 1 in every draft since mcdavid as a prospect Judging him as a draft minus 2 and he’s going 2nd most likely as in he’s gonna go second
Bedard needs to play more physical he doesn’t like to play along the boards and once a team starts hitting him he completely shuts down it has happened in every game against Winnipeg this last season but teams usually let him skate around without hitting him because every time someone would hit him they would get jumped. being a pats fan that’s fine by me lol but if they are going to make a run this year he can’t shy away from the physical play and learn how to back check if not he’s a winger at the nhl level
@@bryantlawson6270 the Blackhawks front office has been all over Fantilli before people even knew he existed. Frankly, it wouldn't stun me if they took him at 1 over bedard.
There seems to be 4 very elite players and room for more to join that group this season. Any word on Michkov's willingness to play in the NHL when his contract is up in 2026? I'm sure he's being asked the question all the time.
As a hawks fan I’m happy that we are doing a complete rebuild right now this years draft is gonna be crazy good and I know it won’t happen but if my hawks were somehow about to get Bedard and Carlsson I would be over the moon. Very excited to see this team fight for the bottom spot.
@@bryantlawson6270 well I sure hope they do but you never know anthing can happen but if they do make playoffs, they can trade Johnny T and a couple 1st rounders or 2nds for the pick and then they can choose bedard
@@ethanlemmy7154 for the Bedard pick the teams selecting him wouldn't take that trade. Here's why. Tavares is on the decline and is getting older. Not suited for a team who's rebuilding and trying to get young talent. And those 1st rounders from Toronto would be mid to late picks. No one in the top 3 this year will trade their pick away. The value is just too high.
I wouldn't make friends with that comment but I think Michkov would be a better fit for MTL than Bedard, simply because he's a left-handed sniper... Fantilli would be really great for them but they absolutely need a second sniper!!!
@@cocob777 it has so much room to be a great hockey market, problem is this state is a big “bandwagon” state. Teams need to be a hot commodity to attract more than just your regular fans. Suns are a prime example of that. Also the location of the arena beforehand but it’s definitely more so past management not being able to put a great team on the ice
@@jonjohnson1978. Michkov is very close to him in my opinion but 2 to 3 is the cliff that I see. It’s like a 1 v 2 and then 3 vs 4 vs 5 because they’re just not in the same class. I do believe Bedard is better but Mitchkov will be amazing.
Honestly I think mtl will pick 10-15. If healthy they have a full roster with players who need to prove they deserve to be here and that they are still good enough "Gallagher, Hoffman, dadanov, price, Allen, Byron, dach, drouin, armia. All these players who want to prove people wrong and have a good season.. with a full season with this new coach! I can really see them surprising people if they are healthy enough! And I can even see Suzuki and caufield having a breakout season! Ya never know! Let's hope they can stay healthy. Although I'd much rather Them get a top 3 draft pick 😅 the drafts stacked next year
It's very sad that you're most likely right... I still have hope sCarey played his last game though... Still, what you said risk applying perfectly to guys like Petry, Dach & Gallagher, probably Armia.
THE TOP 10 IN THE 2023 NHL DRAFT IS STACKED! What Are YOUR Thoughts On MY Rankings? What Do YOU Agree & Disagree With? And Who Do YOU Want YOUR Team to Draft? I'd LOVE to Hear YOUR Thoughts! #GravGang #RoadTo60kSUBS
Where is Otto Stenberg?
Can't argue with the prospect rankings but how did you determine the teams draft order when rosters aren't even in for the next season? ;)
Halttunen has gained some muscles during summer. Just talked with him few days a go.
Michkov and Bedard would’ve both been most likely 1st overall picks in the last 5 drafts. This draft is so stacked
Fantilli as well, from 2017 to 2022 at least.
for sure, as a habs fan i really hope we land one of them if possible i have seen fantili play once and hes good but if dach pans out there basically the same player and we already have suzuki, I would lose it if we got bedard and we could put him on the wing with dach and slafkovksy chefs kiss
@@jacklawn9840 Nah, Fantilli ain’t nothing like Dach, on all levels. Fantilli is a franchise player, probably a mix of MacKinnon and Kreider stylistically speaking. He’s electrefying.
People said the exact same thing last year about the 2022 draft
Only problem with michkov is he won’t be able to play the following year bc of his contract he has with SKA
this draft is going to be amazing. imagine if montreal gets dvorsky lol. montreal slovakians
I dont thinks they will pick a other c we have Suzuki1dach2dvorak3 but this will be fun hahahah
Sorry for my english
Imagine if they get 1st OA again and they get Both Slafkovsky and Bedard...
pretty sure they are going to draft him if they can next year lol
Slakovsky dvorsky mesar
@@Nexuxboy300 Dach and Suzuki *can* play RW. Id rather have them at their natural position, especially for suzuki, but you never know ;)
Dvorsky another elite Slovak man they are building a great future
@@habshockey1063 Just imagine 😳
@@habshockey1063
Anderson-Suzuki-Caufield
Slafkovsky-Dvorsky-Mesar
Hiemanin-Dach-Gallagher
@@politicalbandwagon4989 Josh Roy and Sean farell are gonna be better than heineman but overall that's a nice top 9😉
Other than gallagher obv
@@prodICYN I’m not sold on Roy yet. I feel like he might be a bit of a one season wonder. Also, Gallagher had a bad year, but so did everyone on the team. If he can bounce back at all he’s a very solid bottom 6 forward.
@@politicalbandwagon4989 bottom 6 forward making 6M+ is unnaceptable
Habs should add Dvorsky and make a Mesar-Dvorsky-Slafkovsky line.
Yes with their current management team I can see the HABS picking Dvorsky over Fantilli.
@@juliencormier8760 nah they still would pick Fantili but at 4 I would go Dvorsky
@@juliencormier8760 Well if Fantili isn’t taken yet they’d taken but if he is they should go for Dvorsky.
Could be fun for sure. Always depends how Lucky they get in the lottery. Id be 100% happy with Fantilli but of course the big prize is still Bedard plus he as a french name so its natural fit (ok im kidding for this one) but Bedard reminds me of McDavid (not in is style or size) in the sense of how dominating he was in the juniors.
@@carbonneaufrancois If they have a chance to go for Bedard or Fantili take it but if not I’d say Dvorsky’s my next guy.
The 2.0 versions of Crosby, ovi, Malkin, and Datsyuk in the top 4, unbelievably stacked draft class
Eduard Šalé broke Jakub Voracek junior record in past season. He will explode in czech league this year and will be 4th ovr pick next draft.
I think Eduard Sale will end up in the top 10! That prospect class is looking completely insane!
I think Sale could be a first round pick but i dont think he is a top 10 pick, i would see him somewhere between 25-32.
@@auri5459 im pretty sure hes gone be top 10, but i cant wait for next year!
i think he is going to be top 5
The video we’ve all been waiting for
What about Eduard Sale? He's got impressive stats in juniors last year and had a sip of the A team in 16 years as well
He has good upside, but every scout sees him in Top 18 at max, nothing more.... for me he is a 18. to 22. prospect imo
Zach Benson looks like he’s about to destroy atom AAA next year
Imagine top 10 without Eduard Šalé, unthinkable! He may end up top 5 even in this stacked draft.
Never
Imagine a top 10 without Ritchie, Wood, But, Sale, Stenberg, Dragicevic, Lindstein, Musty, Heidt in it… it just tell you how wicked 2023 is…
AND
Cameron Allen (D)
Video idea: make a top 30 of the 2022 and 2023 draft combine to give an idea of how good this upcoming draft is
AS OF Right Now (Aug. 2022)
My personal rankings (not mock, just personal preferences) goes something like this :
1- Connor Bedard
2- Matvei Michkov
3- Adam Fantilli
4- Brayden Yager
5- Dalibor Dvorsky
6- Otto Stenberg
7- Zach Benson
8- Leo Carlsson
My dad got the pleasure of coaching Charlie stramel freshman year. So to see him in this video is pretty crazy
Kinda late on this and idk if you’d see this but where do you have Cameron Allen from the Guelph storm?
I want Michkov on the wild soooo bad. Him playing with alongside Kaprizov would be insane.
Since we will likely miss out, I hope Yurov takes a massive step to fill that RW, opposite side, with Kaprizov. The Russian duo top line.
Yurov will be very good tho it might take him 3-5 years to come over
Imagine habs drafted Dvorsky and they can have full Slovak line 👊🇸🇰
Slafkovsky-Dvorsky-Mesar
Great video! and great draft. Just wondering where you see Mathew Wood going in the draft
Eduard Sale is missing ;) He will explode this season in Czech league.
Blackhawks gonna be watching this video lol
LOL
The Slovakian Hockey Renaissance is upon us
This one gonna be so good! Grav
Good to see a Grav2023 mock draft! Haven’t seen very many 2023 mock drafts.
stramel isnt young for this class, he is one of the oldest draft elligibles
Bro me and Conner bedard have the same b-day!!!!!
Damn, I have to give you a dislkie because I easily see Chicago having an amazing shot at getting Bedard
GO HAWKS GET HARD FOR BEDARD
I’m so happy I found your channel
I expect Detroit to push for a possible playoff spot next season. If for some reason Detroit doesn't make the playoffs, I would like to see Yzerman draft Matthew Wood of the Victoria Grizzlies if they are drafting 13th-16th overall. I could also see Yzerman trading up to draft a player like Leo Carlsson as well. Keep your eyes on prospect Matthew Wood this guy is elite!!!
Man led the BCHL in scoring
I was born on the exact same day as Charlie Stramel lol. That’s pretty cool
Bedard > Michkov >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Fantili>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Everyone else
I wouldn't say that far it will be more like Bedard>>michkov>>>> fantilli
I would be super happy if Montreal drafted
Bedard = Generational talent
Fantilli = Power forward center
Dvorski: Crazy Slovak line with
Slafkovsky and Mesar
Special mention to Charlie Stramel ( Big Unit) on the right wing Slafsquash on the right wing would be a devastating line
Mitchikov would be great on a line with Suzuki and Caufield as well.
@@politicalbandwagon4989 He's another small RW Sniper, too similar to caufield, they'd either need a power forward or a playmaker to play at LW, Dvorski would be great as 2C, then you can move Dach to 3C and have the slovak line, and bedard is bedard
@@prodICYN Right, I thought he was LW. A good top 6 would be
Anderson-Suzuki-Caufield
Slafkovsky-Dvorsky-Mesar
@@prodICYN bro Michkov is a GENERATIONAL talent..
The fact that he’s 5”10 is worthless
@@samuelmarchyyy63marchand75 oh I would love mitchkov on the habs don't get me wrong, I was talking about him being on a line with caufield and suzuki. And I was talking purely based on team needs, not best player possible. The best players habs could draft in the top 5 based on needs are, in order, bedard, fantilli, dvorsky, mitchkov. *again, not a mock draft*
Dvorsky is so fun. Cool fact: he broke Gaborik's record as the youngest to ever score in the Men's top league at age 15 🤯
Bedard/Mitchkov next Crosby/Ovi?
Bedard > McDavid?
In my dynasty pool have your choices 1-2-3 and 6 ... not bad :p ... I'll look into Kasper Halttunen ... he looks really interresting ;)
This draft should be fun. Michkov outscoring both Bedard and Wright, gotta wonder whoever wins, are they able to buy out lengthy overseas?
Hawks is the perfect spot for michkov. By the time he comes over it aligns with the plan to have all the new kids up. Hawks on a 3 to 4 year rebuild.
Just a suggestion, you seem to talk more about the draft then the league already. For example you never posted the Debrincat trade but are already talking about 23 prospects. I’d like to hear more about the present if possible
Ayo Danielson and I have literally the exact birthday lmao. Both 04s
Watch out for Winnipeg Ice forward Zach Benson, this kid is dynamite. I like that you understand how stacked Winnipeg was. If he gets a chance to play with Matthew Savoi and Connor Geezie, watch out, a 100 point season not out of the question as a 17 year old.
inject 2023 draft content into my veins. thank you grav. bedard to chicago
Connor.bedard.avec.les.blackhawks.de.chicago.ok.
here weeee go again for another year ! :D
Basically every team with a 1st round pick will get a special player for that draft
Love the shirt grav!
Which rank Slafkovsky would be draft if he's draft year was 2023?
6
I just want the Wings to somehow get into top 3 in the draft lottery
Seattle is going to grab Bedard or Michkov moving up. 👀 Beniers-Wright-Bedard/Michkov
Nobody is trading down in this draft.
No one would trade down
As a Hawks fan I'd be totally happy with Michkov if he can get over here at some point. Bedard is a stud but i think Michkov will be the best player in this draft and could wind up as the best russian to play in the NHL not named Ovi.
I think Michkov is most likely going to be better than Ovechkin. He's almost NHL ready already, and I think he could break the NHL goal record if not for his KHL contract.
@@MrSharkFIN I honestly agree I just didn't want to sound crazy lollll dude put up 70 in 26 games that's all-timer material
Let's wait until the dude's drafted before we start talking about him breaking the all time records...
@@4stringjoe2 It's been done with many prospects in the past, so why should we not now?
No the bedard is better and he will be a better player he also has a higher ceiling then michkov people are considering a generational talent in the making I'm pretty damn sure he will be the best player of this draft class and michkov should be the second.
So you don’t have the Flyers as a lottery team this season?
Watching the Canucks , I'm kinda thinking we will be dead last 🤣🤣 we might get that first overall if not, I'd be happy with Míchov
Where is Hunter Brzustewicz from usntdp
Pick number three. Habs already have enough great defense. We'll see if you're right very soon. Fantilli
i find it absolutely mind boggling that i’m now older than some of these kids -Nov. ‘04 baby
This was me during the entire 2022 draft season 🤣 welcome to the old club!
next year draft is insane Michkov is nuts i wonder who gets him
What's happening with Stepan?
The Habs are winning the cup next year
Michkov would go no 1 in every draft since mcdavid as a prospect Judging him as a draft minus 2 and he’s going 2nd most likely as in he’s gonna go second
Yeah hes not going over Matthews lol
Hawks are picking first Nathan
And Bedard will only sign with the Canucks when he has that chance.
Bedard needs to play more physical he doesn’t like to play along the boards and once a team starts hitting him he completely shuts down it has happened in every game against Winnipeg this last season but teams usually let him skate around without hitting him because every time someone would hit him they would get jumped. being a pats fan that’s fine by me lol but if they are going to make a run this year he can’t shy away from the physical play and learn how to back check if not he’s a winger at the nhl level
Gretzky kinda played the same way if you think about it🤷♂️
Chi going no. 1 HARD FOR BEDARD
Where do you have Callum Ritchie ranked?
Imagine Seattle getting Bedard and wright 😂
And having Beniers... jesust
“With the FIRST pick, in the 2023 NHL Draft, The New Jersey Devils, are proud to select……”
NJD would officially be East Edmonton at that point... with a Connor of their own to boot lmao
@@jma.87 Let’s hope this season, is the season that turns the tide….
Hawks getting Bedard or michkov. Yeah that sounds 🔥
WORST case scenario is Fantilli who still is a Franchise caliber player. We eating good in next year's Draft 👌
@@juniorjewels7545 Hawks will take Fantilli over Michkov if they are at 2nd overall.
@@killerpodcasts as a Chicago boi I'd love that since he's a bit of a hometown product with the Steel!
@@killerpodcasts do you know this?? Or just speculation? Idk. Michkov is supposed to be the next Ovi
@@bryantlawson6270 the Blackhawks front office has been all over Fantilli before people even knew he existed. Frankly, it wouldn't stun me if they took him at 1 over bedard.
where do you have quentin musty i grew up about 20 mins away he’s a few years younger i think he’s top 15
Chicago has got to be picking first
As a fan Chicago I wanna see bedard in my club))
I'm cool with michkov too. Actually would be pretty happy adding fantilli. Lets just hope for a top3
GET HARD FOR BEDARD GO HAWKS
I think Dvorsky will be draft before Fantilli but great list though!! 👌
Where do you think Lindstein will go?
potential att gå typ topp 10-15 men kan lika gärna droppa på samma vis som salomonsson gjorde i år
If we dont get a top 3 pick, Dvorsky / Slaf would be insane
Slafdvorsky, the future Slovakian 2 headed monster of the Habs? 🤣
There seems to be 4 very elite players and room for more to join that group this season. Any word on Michkov's willingness to play in the NHL when his contract is up in 2026? I'm sure he's being asked the question all the time.
Yeah michkov gonna leave KHL like the way Ilya kovalchuk left NJ devils...
Not taking away Arizona, but if Bedard goes to Arizona, gotta be looking at trading for some of those previous Coyote picks.
What?
No defense ?
As a hawks fan I’m happy that we are doing a complete rebuild right now this years draft is gonna be crazy good and I know it won’t happen but if my hawks were somehow about to get Bedard and Carlsson I would be over the moon. Very excited to see this team fight for the bottom spot.
GET HARD FOR BEDARD GO HAWKS
Who you have atm first in 2024? Kiviharju? First Finnish player to go 1st overall ;)
Zach Benson to the Sharks? Yes Grav, YES!
Where do you think theo lindstein goes?
The WHL IS SO FUCKING STACKED NEXT YEAR LMAO
Leo Carlsson will push himself into that top-5
Stramel is actually really old for his draft class.
Eduard Sale? to TBL please
Great vid Grav! Conor Bedard is coming to leaf’s !! Let’s hope 🤞
You don't think leafs make playoffs???
@@bryantlawson6270 well I sure hope they do but you never know anthing can happen but if they do make playoffs, they can trade Johnny T and a couple 1st rounders or 2nds for the pick and then they can choose bedard
Coyote
@@ethanlemmy7154 for the Bedard pick the teams selecting him wouldn't take that trade. Here's why. Tavares is on the decline and is getting older. Not suited for a team who's rebuilding and trying to get young talent. And those 1st rounders from Toronto would be mid to late picks. No one in the top 3 this year will trade their pick away. The value is just too high.
IF not for the murky contract situation MItchkov should be #1 and its not even close
I think the music takes away from the video
I wouldn't make friends with that comment but I think Michkov would be a better fit for MTL than Bedard, simply because he's a left-handed sniper... Fantilli would be really great for them but they absolutely need a second sniper!!!
Caufield and Slsfkovsky they have snipers
This draft is gonna change rebuilding franchise's .
I really hope Bedard doesn't end up in Arizona...
Honestly this franchise needs a superstar badly to help even more getting fans hyped so I would not mind if Bedards ends up there
People just hate on the yotes for no reason, he will love it in Arizona.
@@sly6865 They've been bringing down the league for years. Nothing personal just not a Hockey market.
@@cocob777 it has so much room to be a great hockey market, problem is this state is a big “bandwagon” state. Teams need to be a hot commodity to attract more than just your regular fans. Suns are a prime example of that. Also the location of the arena beforehand but it’s definitely more so past management not being able to put a great team on the ice
Bettman is definitely gifting the Coyotes Bedard
Chicago get the 1 pick
if the sharks or kraken get michkov or bedard i will actually cry PLEASE
Manifesting that you’re correct and the Yotes finally have a lottery go their way
*Brayden Yager not Brandon
LETS GOOOOOO!!!! BEDARD NEEDS TO BE IN CHICAGO
#gethardforbedard 😉
@@Hockeyarcadeandcoins Pain for Shane didn’t work out too much will see if this one does
@@Hockeyarcadeandcoins always haha😂
Check his profile 😏 you do know what he’s gonna do when he becomes a free agent right??
@@slipperynodd578 I've been going with "Tank hard for bedard"
Amazing year for Western Canada
Tbh I don’t see Buffalo having a top 15 pick
Watch someone pass on Bedard at #1!
Maybe but there's a big gap to second for me
@@jonjohnson1978. Michkov is very close to him in my opinion but 2 to 3 is the cliff that I see. It’s like a 1 v 2 and then 3 vs 4 vs 5 because they’re just not in the same class. I do believe Bedard is better but Mitchkov will be amazing.
Yeah that won't happen he's way better than Shane wright or any of those guys
Bedard is easily the best prospect since mcdavid
@@prodICYN I totally agree so do the scouts aha
FOR ME benson is tops 3
Watch out for Colby Barlow
I think the sharks have a shot with bedard they really look like they are gonna tank this year
So we hope!
If they don’t get 1 or 2 they’ll probably pick Fantilli, big physical dude and that’s the type of player that Grier wants
They wont out tank AZ, MTL, or CHI but top 5 may be achievable
Honestly I think mtl will pick 10-15. If healthy they have a full roster with players who need to prove they deserve to be here and that they are still good enough "Gallagher, Hoffman, dadanov, price, Allen, Byron, dach, drouin, armia. All these players who want to prove people wrong and have a good season.. with a full season with this new coach! I can really see them surprising people if they are healthy enough! And I can even see Suzuki and caufield having a breakout season! Ya never know! Let's hope they can stay healthy. Although I'd much rather Them get a top 3 draft pick 😅 the drafts stacked next year
It's very sad that you're most likely right... I still have hope sCarey played his last game though...
Still, what you said risk applying perfectly to guys like Petry, Dach & Gallagher, probably Armia.