The Great and the Bad of the Beatles
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It’s a Creedence Clearwater Revival. Bill and John Fogerty on John’s goal of making songs that sound good in a car, when John sang on The Ed Sullivan Show, the subversive messages in John’s songs, John gives Bill his signature flannel shirt Fortunate Son, the working class appeal of certain music then and now, the incredible longevity of Mick Jagger, the leap from popular band to legendary band, the Woodstock that broke bad, John’s love of the Grateful Dead, and much, much more.
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Their musical output was mind-blowing, in 7 years they redefined what popular music was and could be. Amazing.
Bill loves to hear himself talk
And that’s bad for the rest of us.
hear himself talk and play professor. If his guest says something that he agrees with he say "that's right," as if they just passed the quiz. if they disagree he makes sure to make some highly opinionated comment to assure them they are wrong.
Maher. Once again proving his absolute cluelessness.
Your so right
He's actually the president of his own fan club.
Bill Maher ENLIGHTENING John Forgerty about music and lyrics. On the next chapter, he'll enlight Albert Einstein about relatevistic physics.
He's such a moron.
The ducks shooting the shotgun
He'll have Michaelangelo on and give him some pointers on how to paint.
“I don’t have much Hendrix in my collection. I get that he’s a great guitarist, but are they actually good songs?”.
- Bill Maher, idiot
I must be a normal person because I think about something and then I go to the comments and everybody is like minded. Bill, why are you trying to tell John Fogerty about music and the music business? I can’t believe he was telling John Fogerty about the meaning of a song.
sure the lyrics are simple but combined with the music the lyrics of Hello Goodbye are designed to provoke a feeling that means something. A lot of it has to do with The Beatles' sense of humor.
it's all about the album cover
what Bill doesn't understand, the lyrics of "hello goodbye" are amaziing....simple but amazing
Not really. It’s one of The Beatles’ worst songs and one of many post Revolver McCartney corny and schmaltzy songs.
@@cactaceous well it's one of my favorite, one of many Beatles's fan favorite, one of the most famous Beatles songs and one of Mccartney's favorite, so it must be ok plus he plays it live....so i guess it is just your opinion....
@@bbsoni4814 It is. I don’t have an overload of estrogen cursing through my veins enough to like it. It’s a song grandmothers and teenyboppers of the era liked. That’s the demographic.
@@cactaceous and adults too, you'd be surprised...i would even go as far as saying it's a killer song
@@bbsoni4814 You’ve gone so far now you are lost
CCR is the most underrated band on the Planet.
I had to research that statement because to me, CCR is or should be a top rated band and I know that many of my era agree. But, according to some criteria, the fact that they had so many hits that reached #2 but not #1 and that other bands ‘overshadowed’ them, does support the claim. It just sounds ludicrous to me to hear anyone call them underrated. I don’t know anyone who doesn’t love their music!
the word underrated is overrated.
@@pkoven I could have saved myself so many words. 😂 your comment is GOLD! And did you know 97.4% of all statistics are made up numbers?
@@glenndespres5317 but agreed that they were a fantastic band, one, of the top 10 IMHO from the '60's, and one of the pillars of swamp rock. all the best to you
@@pkoven:
I have to agree. I am sick to death of hearing terms like ¨underrated¨ and ¨iconic¨ etc. I refuse to ever use them.
Bill is missing the context of when and why Hello/Goodbye was written. The Beatles had released Sgt Pepper in Jun 1967 and had all grown mustaches. They were no longer the four mop tops singing She Loves You. They had, in fact, created a new persona and a lot of fans were dismayed and didn't understand. Some wrote them off as "weird" and asked why didn't they stay the same as they were. They got fan letters saying you guys changed. Paul McCartney wrote the next Beatles single as a song of duality. Yes/No, Hello/Goodbye... "I don't know why you say Goodbye , I say Hello". Watch the video for Hello/Goodbye and see the Beatles waving circa 1963 in their Pierre Cardin collarless jackets reflecting that "We are still the Beatles... but we've changed".
Listen to nowhere man. Listen to the words. Then listen to the music. Then, look at the top 40 at that time. That says it all. I remember when that single came out. Again these guys who were just in their early 20s did one fantastic job with just that song!
I am same age and lifestyle as Bill. I was never into early beatles--- Till I heard a cover band do some of the early rock and roll live. Note for note. It was a whole different experience then listening to an LP. When you hear it live, you feel the vibe and realize how tight they were.
When you watch a guitar tutorial on when I saw her standing there, George’s part, and realize he’s maybe 19 when he came up with that. It’s astonishing, let alone hoe tight they are at 22,21 years old
Hello Goodbye is middle Beatles
Green river is one of the best song and music video on UA-cam the one with the lyrics and +81 million views
Its timeless
This podcast needs to be renamed the Sounding Board since that’s pretty much what the guests serve as for Bill
Just like Bill to stress the things he doesn't like instead of what he likes., must be the geezer in him.
Get off Bill's lawn.
@@leepassmore7032 think he has a gardener?
Pessimism v. optimism. It's a thing
On one Halloween the production crew of around 90 were screwing around with lighting setup and I was so pissed cos I wanted to get an early wrap so I can take my kids trick or treating
I found a dark corner deep in the stage to blow off steam. 3mins later I felt a person standing next to me..also watching the crew. It was Steve PERRY! I freaking couldnt believe it was just him and me in this isolated part of the stage. I talked about the possibilty Journey reunion( pre R&R Hall of Fame) and how much I loved his mad vocal skills. But I clearly remembered telling Steve Perry how much I also loved Freddie Mercury and John Fogerty. Steve lit up!!
He said John is fabolous songwriter and tune finder! He admired how prolific and consistent John's ourput was. His words!!
I'm so happy to see John Fogerty here..living legend for sure
Bill, greatest musical scholar in the universe. Uhhh never heard Mystery train and YOU call yourself an Elvis fan.
Not an Elvis fan but he has a couple of great songs and this is one of them.
I can't believe John Fogerty made it to 110 without a single grey hair.
Well his mind is still sharp, yes he looks 80.
😂 He and Ringo look ridiculous but whatever.
Born in 1945
@johnanthony9923 There is such a thing as hair dye
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I do like Bill Maher …
I’m not even disagreeing with what he has to say here…
But why is he telling John Fogerty about music ? 🤔🤷♂️
It's called having a conversation
@@chalkandcheese1868 Conversation would be fine.
But the way it is edited we only get Bill “schooling” Fogerty on the Beatles :) ✌️
Bill Maher; Musicologist and Beatles Expert.
Another liberal who lives in delusion
The Beatles Get Back period owes alot to Creedence's roots rock of 1968-9.
Err not really
I think that the creedence's roots rock owes alot to the same music the beatles get back period does.
@@antondaydream The Beatles were following the trend that Creedence popularized, more 50s sounding records like Bad Moon Rising and Born on The Bayou.
Wouldn't The Band be a more direct influence in this period? Especially on George Harrison.
“Some of The Band’s rhythms would find themselves in The Beatles future records as author Simon Lang noted on his book The Music of George Harrison: While My Guitar Gently Weeps, “Numerous elements of Music from Big Pink either showed a Beatles influence or found echoes in The Beatles’ and Harrison’s music: “In a Station” featured distended slide guitar and “Tears of Rage” had the Leslie-toned guitars which immediately appeared on Abbey Road.”
@@pedrofraga4366 Yes, it was The Band’s Music From Big Pink and the bootlegs being spread of Dylan and The Band fucking around in Woodstock who influenced the entire roots rock scene. People are myopic and talk without knowing history.
With Northern Songs, the Beatles had a share of the publishing. About 40%. But they dud not have a controlling interest. However, it's hard to say they got screwed. They signed that deal when they had one #1 -- Please, Please Me. At that stage of their career, that was a pretty good deal. Nobody knew how big they would become.
READ THE ROOM. Don't tell a musician some of the BEATLES are shit. REally? No other topics? Bad.
On this episode of "Club Listen to Bill do All the Talking"
Bill accidentally allows John to squeeze in a sentence or two.
No doubt this guy is a genius in his own mind
Isn't "Hello, Goodbye" about getting along with others, despite differences you may have?
Genius is simplicity.
''Hello Goodbye'' was written as a result of the relationship Lennon and McCarthy had at the time. They weren't agreeing on much, '' you say yes, I say no. You say stop, and I say go go go''
Actually it came from a word game Paul played with a tech.
Untrue. It was about an argument with his girlfriend
@@ExcitedAnacondaSnake-hg8ec Actually it tells the story bout how democrats come up with thier policies.
@@erickjason9092actually it’s about MAGA .
@@jeper1969 do you see what you did!? You took my joke and changed it to the opposite. You must be a democrat, and you just proved my point. Hilarious!
No, Paul was against using Beatles songs in advertising. Period.
He's OK with licensing them for film, however. I think George and Ringo are a little more lax on this point. George had licensed one of his own songs for a commercial and Ringo had appeared in commercials. Paul had advised MJ to get into music publishing. He did NOT advise him on what to do with the songs he purchased. MJ had already used his own songs in commercials, sometimes altering their lyrics to suit the product, so he was planning to monetize the Beatles songs regardless. Paul was quite upset about Revolution being used for Nike, but his main beef was that he didn't get a break on licensing fees to play his own songs live.
"Hello goodbye " is a Mc Cartney song, "Revolution" by Lennon is actually counter revolutionary.
The Beatles and CCR are both All Time Greats
Always been a fan of John Fogerty. But I’m getting a major Dr.Zauis vibe. But that hair is magnificent🙏🏻
“Put me in Bill, let John have a say-today.” 🎶
Bill telling a guy who had dozens of hit records about music.
CCR peaked at the perfect time when the Fab Four disbanded. With so many hit singles on the radio, CCR were huge and may have been the most popular band in 1970.
Why talk about the Beatles when you have JOHN FOGERTY there?🤔
Because fawning to someone about their own work is uncomfortable to the recipient. How many conversations do you think John Fogerty has had about 'Green River' or 'Fortunate Son' which he just wanted to slink out of?
Bill loves shade.
@@AaronMichaelLongHe could’ve asked him about what he’s working on now or about the present state of music and the industry-in other words be curious.
It’s one of many subjects they talk about in the hour. This is just a 3 minute clip
Because they are better than him.
You have to have a special lack of self-awareness to tell John Fogerty that Hello Goodbye is trash.
“Hello Goodbye” may be lyrically nonsensical, but it’s still well-crafted musically.
when did he say it was trash?
@DJ-bj8ku He NEVER said it was trash idiot. He said the music was great but the lyrics were silly.
@@RocStarr913 I think it is very good lyrically too. It is not just about the words literally moreso the philosophy behind the song.
When did he say it was “trash”?? He actually praises it for being so catchy.
I believe at the end Lennon was a but frustrated with McCartney’s child-like lyrics at times despite his incredible melodies. He himself wanted to «say something profound» but in that the melodies maybe were not at McCartney’s level always. That’s why together they worked so well and also explains the direction of their different solo careers.
Hello goodbye is a great song and has amazing drumming. Listen to the little drum solos isolated.
Have you heard the instrument version? It really rocks beneath that colorful poppy singing.
@@debjorgo If you are talking about the take 1, yes, and I totally agree with you. Do you know a drummer called David Montis? He has an amazing drum cover of that take. Ringo was amazing in the 60's. Very inventive and melodical.
@@enricomenconi7015 Right! Hello Hello Take 1. Great track! Don't know David.
I'm done clicking on these. Bill Maher is so boring. he just drones on and on and on.
YES!
It's completely ruined his regular show for me too. I don't even bother anymore. His competition is so much better.
John and Tom!! Legends Ruby and CCR ❤❤ So historical Bay Area Rock!!
How many top hits had maher again?
I think Nike did that without Jacko's permission and he sent them a cease and desist or something like that. I could be wrong, that's just how I remember it.
Funny that Fogerty mentions his anger over Nike appropriating "Revolution."
Because I've always thought one of the most egregious misuses of a song was when Wrangler jeans played the "Fortunate Son" lyrics "some people are born, made to wave the flag, oooh that red white and blue," over images of an American flag.
They conjured a patriotic sentiment, but stopped the song before the "that aint me."
Bill is silly. It's an existential message. Relax Bill, you don't know everything.
exactly, you gotta be dumb to not see that.
Heck yeah
He should be talking run through the jungle.
Get sir Paul McCartney to talk about CCR
Let me just put my Bill Maher album on and compare it to one of the greatest groups that ever came together... oh billy....
Hey Bill, Not EVERY song has to be some heavy message. "Hello Goodbye" is a great song about two people saying the opposite to each other with great melodic music & production.
John Fogerty understands this concept. Bill likes to constantly hear himself talk and pretend that he is an expert in everything. LOL
It's a catchy Pop song. Nothing more, nothing less.
William Empson thought very highly of "Hello, Goodbye."
Yup! Don’t analyze, just immerse … and enjoy.
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Until the Help! album, I’m not sure if the Beatles (or at least Lennon/McCarthy) wrote a single song that wasn’t about girls/women/dating/ relationships and “love”. So that’s their first 2-3 years plus the covers. The Help! album had the title song which was Lennon talking about his stresses and need for help and McCartney had Yesterday. From then on (around 1965) the Beatles went to the different places lyrically but even the next album Rubber Soul went back to a lot of songs about women and relationships.
Would not want to miss out on Bills random meaningless thoughts, Hello Goodbye and Hey Jude was the end of the Beatles for me. When they did it on Ed Sullivan my parents and my jaws dropped and then silence. still greatest band , but Rollings Stones kept putting out greatness and catching up.
TAKE THIS BROTHER MAY IT SERVE YOU WELL
if that is what Bill takes from that song, I don't know what to tell him. There are metaphors and deeper meanings in that song than just what hits the ear.
Maher: “…it’s one of their greatest revolution.”
Incorrect Bill. You forgot to pluralize revolution.
It’s one of their greatest revolutions.
I use to go to their warehouse in Oakland and watch em practice in the 60’s
Yay, let's end it this way, said only bill
When my husband was in his 20s, he was fired for not sleeping with his male boss. The boss was gay and very open about it. This is very common in restaurants too, especially before all this ‘MeToo’ crap started.
I think I may have passed up a few opportunities because I wasn’t flirting with my ex bosses. I saw other girls move up, and they were slutty anyway. They must have had extra sausage for breakfast before the shift started!
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The Beatles are like kids that got high for the first time, grew a pair of nuts heavier than Abbey Road, and decided to retire!
That summarizes their whole timeline! 🤣🤣🤣
They WERE kids who started getting high for the first time. And some of the best music ever came from it.
I guarantee you have listened to less than 10 Beatles songs in your life.
I like you, Bill. But you don't let your guest speak sometimes. You talk over them.
Revelation 9 was their greatest song hands down
Hmm....Huge Elvis fan doesn't know Mystery Train?
And yes, John Fogerty should've been able to finish his sentences.
Once again truth flies over the head of Lil Billy Maher.. " HELLO GOODBYE" is a significant song. Hello BILLY SHEARS.. Goodbye PAUL McCartney.. READ "Memoirs of Billy Shears " Then Laugh at yourself for being soooooo gullible. As the Beatles screamed at all of US thru out many songs to "LISTEN UP" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How does John Fogerty not know about Michael Jackson being responsible for putting Beatles songs in commercials.
That was odd, especially since he has had a dog in that race. But then again, some people don't watch TV or read magazines or internet news. If he just reads a newspaper for his news, he may not have heard about it. But then again again, he had the TV on when he saw the Niki commercial.
Yoko gave the permission to Capitol Records to use the master recording without the knowledge of Paul, George, or Ringo. Michael Jackson gave permission for use of the song as he owned the publishing.
You should have counted the FOUR, Bill...not THREE
CCR are one of the few bands that are up there with the Beatles. I’ll take CCR over the stones every day.
People get to caught up n lyrics.sometimes the song can just be fun..
Bill’s podcast has really turned me off him. He just talks over every guest with his uninteresting and often patchy pontifications with the most condescending cadence on US media. Unwatchable unfortunately.
Bill misses the point of Hello Goodbye. It’s about a relationship that has soured. The two people can’t agree on anything. I say hello, you say goodbye etc.
Yes, the point of a lot of things just go way over his head. Its the same reason he cant understand why people love Trump.
@@JohnRice-vb2ze Well, I too don’t understand why people like a pathological narcissistic criminal like Trump either. So I guess Bill and I do agree on one thing.
@@patfrederick1534 Who isnt a narcissist who goes into politics and thinks they can be President? You have to have a different mindset to reach those levels. But to be fair to Trump he was already a very successful billionaire before he got into politics so at least he has good reason to have such a level of belief. A lot of the greats have a level of narcissism and arrogance. You need an inner confidence or you wouldn't even attempt to do anything great. Bill is a far bigger narcissist, because he has no real talent and so has no reason to be so smug and arrogant. As for Trump being a criminal. Trump lives in America. They have a thing called innocent until proven guilty.
@@patfrederick1534 You are brainwashed.
Sometimes I have to turn Maher off
What’s up with Fogerty’s hair?
Every song doesn't have to be life threatening. John gets it . Stick to comedy bill
Dick James owned the Beatles publishing
Bill Maher teaching JOHN FOGERTY what good music is 😂
it's 4/4 time Bill, you count it 1234
Bill cant judge anybody he's short on every subject to do with life.
Hello Goodbye is very good lyrically for those that get it.
There’s nothing to get lol just a catchy song with no real meaning, just yin and yang at the most
I really enjoy the music of the Beatles, however, I wise person who knows music like myself, knows they were both underrated and overrated at the same time. Seriously listen to bands like the Stones, Zeppelin, Floyd, Sabbath and later Halen, police,
o bla di o bla da life goes on... bruh!
This is what UA-cam is for
bill was right for once-Jackson did sell out to Nike
Ah, I think McCartney knew more about lyrical intent Bill.
The words to Hello Goodbye are perfect for that KIND OF SONG. Try to write better words that FIT THE SONG. I'll wait.
that was thepoint of the song. Listen to the story BEHIND the song.. He wrote it with his roadie trying to show him that anyone could write a song ABOUT ANYTHING
Why ask the former leader of one of the most underrated bands a question about the most overrated band?
who decides on the ratings? you? because if you ask the majority they would disagree with you. just a simple fact. check the numbers.
I think Bill plays the skin flute
Fogerty like, Wtf this dude talkin bout
Bill Maher told Jerry Seinfeld that "Strawberry Fields Forever," "Hey Jude," "Penny Lane" and "I Want to Hold Your Hand" were never on any Beatles albums until the songs were released on compilations.
Bill Maher's ignorance is matched only by his arrogance.
I disagree about Hello Goodbye meaning nothing. I think it's a modern parable on the political divide.
Hello Goodbye has always been one of my least favorite Beatles song and I love the Beatles. I never understood why oldies stations play it so much.
It was always one of my favorites.
It’s certainly one of many corny and schmaltzy post Revolver McCartney songs that I skip without thought.
It was one of the biggest hits of 1967 and it is also very simplistic.
@@RocStarr913 NOT musically simplistic. Lyrically yes.
Bill's knowledge and appreciation of popular music or film is pretty superficial, not much different from a random person on the street. Thus, he has some pretty random opinions. I think he once opined that Bill Joel had more "good" songs than the Beatles. Much like your younger sister, he is not a good source for musical insight.
Poor John Fogerty.
Hello Bill
Goodbye.....
Songs are songs not books or messages. It’s entertainment and emotions. Bill certainly knows what BS words are all about.
Actually, "Revolution" is quite musically pedestrian--just a blues rip-off. "Come Together" is also quite pedestrian. The music of The Beatles benefited enormously from the addition of numerous session musicians, George Martin's arrangements and production, and, quite crucially, the great sounds that engineer Geoff Emerick figured out for them (e.g., he got a huge bass sound for Paul by rewiring a speaker to turn it into a microphone). John Lennon's nonsense lyrics are a great deal more interesting and entertaining than his overly earnest efforts.
John Fogerty is very lucky that he has Bill Maher here to tell him exactly where it's at. Perhaps Fogerty will try to write some songs and attempt to make his mark in music. Meanwhile, Bill has it all figured out--case closed!
What a waste of an interview,let the guest speak,you have a living legend sitting next to you!
There is no bad with the Beatles
Bill Maher
is completely your cringe friend who doesn’t have a clue,
cos he wasn’t there,
when talking to someone who actually was…
I mean, really…
The lyrics of
“Hello Goodbye” can be discussed as an observation of Paul McCartney’s dualistic, Gemini mind, the harmony swoops or that it featured a Bside which represented the hilarious cynicism of Lennon’s mind… I get the same feeling when listening to Howard Stern talk
Bill doesnt know anything about music. By the way, search for the drum cover by David montis of hello goodbye, take 1. Amazing drumming in that song.
Bill, you are not a music critic except that you criticize music. It seems you have never been turned down by a woman, or found differences between a man and a woman. Goodbye / Hello. "I don't know why you say goodbye, I say hello".
They didn't write their own songs. Hate to break it to you.
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