As Thorne watches Brooke walk down the aisle, he remembers all their times together as a couple -- which are of course all in bed. Meanwhile the sight of Brooke in a wedding dress makes Eric and Ridge recall their own honeymoon nights with Brooke. The thought bubbles of all three men converge and it's like they're all d 0 1 n g Brooke at the same time.
“Our parents, even though I slept with and married your dad, our siblings, one of which I slept with, and our children, well my kids who are also your siblings but gonna be your kids too” this whole marriage is a joke.
The minister says that Brooke and Thorne's marriage will age like a beautiful garden, when in fact it will age like the plants in Thorne's old apartment.
Others have commented on the fairy tale-like quality of the wedding, and I agree. The happily-ever-after storyline; the goofy, happy smiles on everyone’s faces; the glowing, almost hazy lighting; the flower-filled garden; Brooke’s narration at the end - it was all like a dream. And it’s why I actually think the writers are messaging even through the purportedly joyful wedding that this isn’t going to last. This seems so dreamlike that I think even the writers are telling us that it *is* a dream of sorts in the B&B world. The fact that nearly all the characters are acting so out of character reinforces this theory. Think about it. With no warning and for no good reason, Stephanie suddenly supports the wedding; Kimberly is filled with goodwill for Brooke and Rick and doesn’t even think about Macy; Clarke has suddenly been suffused with goodwill and acceptance toward the Forresters; and freaking Darla tries to tell us that Macy would have *wanted* Brooke and Thorne to marry and for the Forresters to all accept it. How utterly ludicrous when we literally saw Macy die not long ago because, even though she could accept Thorne divorcing her, she couldn’t accept him throwing his life away on Brooke. For all these reasons I don’t actually think the writers even think we’re going to buy what they’re ostensibly selling. Brad gave them marching orders, but this episode was the most perfect example of malicious compliance that I ever saw. When you compare an episode like this with one like Macy’s funeral, you can see which was written with more conviction.
Absolutely Faye! I'd never seen this wedding before and watching it now, it really does seem like the show is signaling that it's all a dream. And they did that with her beach wedding to Ridge too - subtly suggesting that it wasn't built on a solid foundation with the sandcastle theme. And what do both of these weddings have in common? A deceased wife who isn't actually dead and whose return will nullify Brooke's marriage.
I love your theory of "malicious compliance!" 😂 Do we know who wrote the script for this episode? Great observation that this wedding is like a dream! And @Nick, you are right that this wedding is connected to Ridge and Brooke's 1994 wedding that way. The signs were more obvious there (the sand castle metaphor, viewers already knowing that Taylor was alive in Morocco), but they are here too, albeit more subtle (Stephanie's facial expressions throughout the ceremony, the incredibly awkward moment when Beth and Stephanie light the candle together, the utter _ridicuIousness_ of Darla's reasoning, Sally's pain which felt more real than anything happening at the wedding, and of course the actual wife waiting in the wings, which will be hinted at when Adam appears in a few episodes).
@@annieo6527 Right. This time they opted more for surprise (the wedding goes off without a hitch and the viewer finds out about Macy later) than suspense (will Taylor stop the wedding?). Also last time the fairytale wedding was followed by a nightmarish honeymoon (Ridge and Brooke in the storm) but this time the nightmarish honeymoon gets displaced from Brooke and Thorne to Ridge and Taylor (Steffi and the shark incident in St Thomas). In this way the show subtly connects Brooke and Ridge once again. When does Bobbi Eakes first appear onscreen again btw?
@@NewYorkNick0607 actually, I think the surprise/suspense thing is the other way around. Taylor returning from the dead was definitely a surprise because we had had no definite clue prior to her first Morocco scene that she was actually alive (other than what the savvy soap viewer always knows - an off-screen death means there is always a possibility of a return - and the bIink-and-you'II-miss-it reference to Casablanca). Macy returning from the dead was hinted at almost two years in advance (she makes her first appearance as "Alive Macy" in late 2002), creating an element of suspense, not surprise, because the show actually implies a whole off screen storyline without confirming it until much later. And while Brooke and Ridge's wedding had the suspenseful question of whether or not Taylor would stop the ceremony (or show up during the honeymoon), there is actually no such equivalent in Brooke and Thorne's storyline. The wedding happens, and then the marriage happens, and then it falls apart all on its own. Macy is not actually involved in that storyline.
It’s funny because when I watched the last episode, I thought “Stephanie shouldn’t be here - she should be at Sally’s drinking cocktails and predicting the downfall of Throoke with her.” And sure enough, Sally shows up in this episode and is as incredulous as I am about Stephanie’s capitulation to this farce. The writers may have tried to make Sally look like the lone holdout, the one in denial, but to me, her righteous pain and anger and frankly common sense made her the moral center of the show in this episode- something that was badly needed given Stephanie’s seemingly have abandoned the position.
I'm just glad someone mentioned Macy and what a disrespect this is to her. Brooke, in usual tacky fashion, took the time to go all the way up a mountain to bring divorce papers to Macy, at night... We're just gonna overlook that? 😕 Macy's unalivement to make way for Thorne and Brooke's relationship has been shamefully tossed away. It annoys me every time Brooke or Thorne talk about their obstacles, like that's all Macy was. And then there's Steph having had a literal stroke over Brooke and Thorne, now walking Brooke down the aisle. No. Way.
Yes! Sally did come across as the only one in this episode who was in character and behaving like an actual human being with feelings. Even Clarke and Darla seemed to have inhaIed too much of Darla's nail polish remover.
“After all these years the forresters and the Logan’s are leaving the past in the past” Brooke talks as if their families have been enemies for years. They didn’t have any problems or even notice they existed until Brooke and her siblings encouraged Beth to go after Steph’s husband, and then Brooke herself getting pregnant by him after rebounding from her engagement to his son. The Logan’s are the ones who started this “feud”
Exactly what I've been saying. They didn't have any "history" until the interlopers, the Logans, and specifically Brooke, decided they were entitled to be Forresters. The Logans were nobodies. The Spectras joining the Forresters by marriage was a better dynamic bc they actually had a history.
@@TriniT21exactly! The whole idea of "bringing two families together through marriage" was something that applied to Thorne and _Macy,_ not Thorne and Brooke. But even this narrative was stoIen from Macy and given to Brooke.
It was Eric who pursued Beth; she turned him down three times and only finally accepted when he separated from Stephanie, regardless of what Brooke wanted. Storm was the only other one who knew also; neither Donna nor Katie did until Stephen returned. Stephanie accepted that it was Eric who went after Beth, not the other way around, in the argument with Steph in which Brooke revealed she knew Steph had found Stephen.
@@DonaldTaft …so how do you excuse Brooke getting pregnant by a married man while Eric was with Steph? Eric had her under the impression they was back together and Brooke knew they was still living together yet she continued dating him.
The Forresters and the Logans had no need to come together 🙄 The Forresters would have been just fine without the Logans being their relatives. Their "history", as Sally put it, was really just the Logans who always felt so entitled to be part of the Forrester family.
Yes! When did the Forresters and the Logans ever have a family rivalry that needed to be resolved? The Forresters and the _Spectras_ had a rivalry. The Forresters and the Logans were all about the Logan women (minus Katie) wanting to marry into the Forrester family, and Stephanie not wanting them in her family.
And as soon as she’s slept her way through the forresters she starts with Ridges Marone family. I’m truly surprised they never had her go after Massimo also.
You'd think Thorne would at least remember her, considering that give or take a few soap days, this is the anniversary of his wedding _to Macy._ The Venice episodes happened in January 2000, and this is January 2001.
I don't know, but there is nothing else left for that Thorne and Brooke sl and they were able to put in another inconsistency. The writing doesn't believe its own hype.
The voice over at the end was strange. Would have been fine for a series final where the show would not be continuing on. But this is a continuing story
I know, it made it seem like future Brooke was looking back and remembering an entire lifetime of being married to Thorne. That voice over did not age well. 😂
*Brooke's Narrative Wins (Or Does It?)* At the end of this episode, it feels like the show's narrative is now only an extension of Brooke's narrative, with her voice-over at the end (as if she was telling the ending of a fairy tale) and everyone finally uniting in support of Brooke's marriage to Thorne. Brooke appears to get her "happily ever after" with Thorne, and the only "non-beIiever" is Sally Spectra (with Darla telling her how even Macy would be in favor of the wedding). It seems as if all the "opposing voices" of the characters who have been objecting to Brooke's narrative since the beginning of Season 13 have finally been siIenced, and now Brooke's truth is the show's "official truth". But is it really? I have talked before about how the show itself, from Season 13 until this point, is being written from the point of view of an unreliable narrator, and just at the moment when this narrative has completely taken over, there are subtle signs that it is beginning to crumble. Stephanie's approval of the wedding doesn't feel wholehearted. Darla's claim that Macy would approve of Brooke and Thorne's union clearly doesn't convince or comfort Sally. And the first indication that Brooke and Thorne's marriage isn't actually legaIIy valid is only a week away.
So true! Weddings are always staging grounds for drama on B&B but here the conflict melts away before the wedding seemingly for no reason. Eric, Kimberly, and now even Stephanie. And Sally saying that Stephanie must've gone to the wedding to stop it doesn't just feel like her usual unreliable narration; it feels like she's narrating what Stephanie _should_ be doing. BTW what's the first indication next week? Do we get a shot of living Macy so soon??
@@NewYorkNick0607not only is it what Stephanie _should_ be doing, it's what she looks like she _wants_ to be doing. There is a scene with Kimberly and Adam in a few episodes in which some fairly un-subtle hints are dropped.
Love how the Taylor haters keep reminding the viewers that she slept with as many men as Brooke…. On Brooke’s wedding day!! She lives rent free in their heads!😂🤦♀️
😂Above all, this is completely irrelevant because the show has a limited number of male and female actors. And Brooke has already had all of the male ones anyway. That being said, Taylor actually didn't sleep with some (Grant, Bill...). But that wouldn't matter at all because, unlike Brooke, Taylor was only ever with men who were "free".
Ok, one more comment - I know I’m rambling a lot but there was a lot to mine in this episode 😂. I thought the choice of the garden as the setting for the wedding was an interesting one. It clearly wasn’t random, as even the minister mentions it in his invocation. It’s pretty clear that the Bells, at least at this time, were very comfortable with religion as a presence and a motif in the show. There are frequent references to God and miracles, the weddings are almost always religious, and then there was Taylor’s whole “almost an angel” experience after the birth of the twins. With minor exceptions, at least in the Old Testament (sorry, as a Jew that’s the only one I’m familiar with 😀), the most famous garden reference isn’t a positive one - it’s the Garden of Eden. While it may be Paradise, it’s most famous for being the place where the snake entices Eve to eat the forbidden fruit; she similarly leads Adam into sin; and they are thus punished not only with expulsion, but with a life of physical and emotional travail. In this episode, we see Brooke marrying the “forbidden fruit” stole away from Macy. But that alliance will ultimately bring both of them nothing but pain (and will be the lead-in to Brooke’s even greater sin, her affair with son-in-law Deacon). Of note, Adam and Even are expelled from the Garden of Eden in the evening - the same time of day this wedding takes place. Is this all a coincidence? Probably. But is this a way of the show telling us this fairy-tale wedding, conceived in treachery and deceit, will result in Brooke and Thorne’s expulsion from a state of happiness? Perhaps.
I enjoy reading your posts. BTW I thought it might have been quite funny if Deacon had showed up with baby Eric at the wedding for Amber (hey, Kimberly's there so why not lol), with Brooke and her daughter already starting to give him the eye lol
Christian allegory has indeed always been part of the Bell universe (it's true on Y&R too). Under Bill Bell's regime, I described Brooke marrying Eric as her "original sin" that prevented her from ever really having Ridge (notice how Bill kept thwarting them from being together and they only got married when his untalented son dismantled his story structure). And Annie and I have written about how the show uses "sacrifice" to redeem a character. And I echo Trish - I enjoy reading your posts! 🙂
Love your posts Faye! ♥️ Personally, I associated the garden metaphor with Voltaire's Candide - a satiricaI novel where the main characters go through all kinds of ridicuIous misfortunes naiveIy believing that everything happens for the best and that they are in the best of all possible worlds, and then they finally find that the key to happiness is to "cultivate one's garden" - that is, to appreciate and dedicate oneself to the little things in life close to home, and to strive to improve what one already has rather than chasing fantasies. So to me this metaphor is actually a _part_ of the unreliable narrative, because it indicates that Thorne and Brooke have finally found their true home, their "garden to cultivate". This is, of course, not true, but it seems as if at this point Bell _wants_ it to be true.
Why would Steph tell the office she was going to the wedding - it was after hours. More to the point, when did she have the time to, and why would it occur to her to do so when she had far more important business on her mind? A lot of lazy writing driving the plot lately.
The challenge with this wedding is while I found the sex appeal and storyline shock of Thorne and Bridge surprising and entertaining, even now with all obstacles removed, and Stephanie there, does this true love narrative really rings true.
Okay, Thorne has his sister Bridget there and his former sister-in-law, Kimberley. 😏Has there been any explanation why neither Kristen nor Felicia attended that wedding?
Brooke and Throne started as two stupid friends who wanted to keep Ridge & Caroline apart with their trickery and deception. These two could have been together a long time ago. Brooke should have had her second son for Throne, not Ride because Ridge had three unborn children two for Morgan and one for Brooke, then three beautiful babies for his lover, soulmate, friend, and wife (Dr. Taylor Forrester). Brad Bell messed up the Storyline when he put Ridge and Brooke back together, Brad Bell fired Jack Wagner a/k/a "Nick" Ridge's little brother, and that's why RJ became Ridge's son.
After Naylor Nick/Taylor split because of the baby fiasco they put Nick with Katie and then Bridget and the storylines went nowhere and JW was on the back burner and I think he left the show if I remember correctly!
@@juliaschmidt6511Macy would never have a wedding like that. She never wanted those over the top fairy tale weddings, she always had the kind of weddings a normaI real person would want to have.
His family’s and her kids disapproval that’s justified, her cheating on him with his brother the same day they got engaged, and Thornes marriage to another woman.
Like Thorne so eloquently said "even a marriage couldn't destroy our relationship". Which is a quasi romantic way of saying "I cheated on my wife emotionally all through my marriage to her".
Beth as character and the actress never had anything to hold against SF. The recast later of Beth absolutely bs, since the actress was so much more younger than JMc and SF. But also that recasr couldn't hold a candle to SF. None if them were a match to SF.
Is Brooke de ad? What's with the Mary Alice from Desperate Housewives voice-over at the end?
It sure looks like she's been de ad for years. 😂
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The reliable narrative on the show is dead. 😂
No are you?
This was way before Desperate housewives.
Not Brooke saying "our parents, our siblings, our children" when two of those are her exes. 🥴
@@Esi-741 And she said "friends" first. 😂 Maybe she said it aspirationally.
@@Esi-741 OMG girl I saw that too! I thought she was some old biddy like Boomer Bonnie. 😂
Is this the finale of The Golden Bachelorette?
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The music starting at 17:32 is the most beautiful piece ever!❤❤
Beautiful ❤
Agree. Love it!!
SF can tell such a story with just her eyes ❤
Love how she eyed boring Beth over the candles, and Beth not knowing how to react 😂
Trish I think you and I might be the only ones who DGAF about boring Beth (aka the mom from Rugrats) 😂
@@NewYorkNick0607I'm fine with just us in that club ❤
Beth is mega boring
The best wedding ceremony by far.... it seemed so real i wish they had kept Brooke and Thorne together
As Thorne watches Brooke walk down the aisle, he remembers all their times together as a couple -- which are of course all in bed. Meanwhile the sight of Brooke in a wedding dress makes Eric and Ridge recall their own honeymoon nights with Brooke. The thought bubbles of all three men converge and it's like they're all d 0 1 n g Brooke at the same time.
LMAO I love your thought bubble skit! 😂😂😂
While the wedding vows are about how this is "uncharted territory"...
I am both utterly repulsed and convulsed with laughter.
@@annieo6527That territory has been traversed more than the doormat outside my front entrance.
Stephen saw the thought bubble at 15:58 😂
This wedding is longer than their marriage 🤣🤣🤣
"Uncharted territory"? This is Brooke's third Forrester man. And Thorne's third woman who actually loves Ridge.
She was third place with Ridge and he's third place with Brooke. They have that in common. 😆
Brooke has to be the most chartered territory ever in Forrester history
“Our parents, even though I slept with and married your dad, our siblings, one of which I slept with, and our children, well my kids who are also your siblings but gonna be your kids too” this whole marriage is a joke.
And we still can't get enough of it.
@@aksbrown who’s “we” ??
"Her children will become his." They are already his father's children.
I had to wonder if the priest has been actually watching the show
We’ll Eric doesn’t mind if his older sons play “dad” to his youngest kids. He’ll still be a proud father/grandfather
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😂😂😂@@TriniT21
The minister says that Brooke and Thorne's marriage will age like a beautiful garden, when in fact it will age like the plants in Thorne's old apartment.
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D e a d. And quickly 😂
Dried up and wilting like their love in the near future. Also, like Brooke’s face.😁
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Congrats Thorne and Brooke- your marriage will last just two months longer than her marriage to Ridge in '98. 😆
The marriage prob wasn't even as long as this episode 😂
Others have commented on the fairy tale-like quality of the wedding, and I agree. The happily-ever-after storyline; the goofy, happy smiles on everyone’s faces; the glowing, almost hazy lighting; the flower-filled garden; Brooke’s narration at the end - it was all like a dream. And it’s why I actually think the writers are messaging even through the purportedly joyful wedding that this isn’t going to last. This seems so dreamlike that I think even the writers are telling us that it *is* a dream of sorts in the B&B world. The fact that nearly all the characters are acting so out of character reinforces this theory. Think about it. With no warning and for no good reason, Stephanie suddenly supports the wedding; Kimberly is filled with goodwill for Brooke and Rick and doesn’t even think about Macy; Clarke has suddenly been suffused with goodwill and acceptance toward the Forresters; and freaking Darla tries to tell us that Macy would have *wanted* Brooke and Thorne to marry and for the Forresters to all accept it. How utterly ludicrous when we literally saw Macy die not long ago because, even though she could accept Thorne divorcing her, she couldn’t accept him throwing his life away on Brooke.
For all these reasons I don’t actually think the writers even think we’re going to buy what they’re ostensibly selling. Brad gave them marching orders, but this episode was the most perfect example of malicious compliance that I ever saw. When you compare an episode like this with one like Macy’s funeral, you can see which was written with more conviction.
Absolutely Faye! I'd never seen this wedding before and watching it now, it really does seem like the show is signaling that it's all a dream. And they did that with her beach wedding to Ridge too - subtly suggesting that it wasn't built on a solid foundation with the sandcastle theme. And what do both of these weddings have in common? A deceased wife who isn't actually dead and whose return will nullify Brooke's marriage.
I love your theory of "malicious compliance!" 😂 Do we know who wrote the script for this episode?
Great observation that this wedding is like a dream! And @Nick, you are right that this wedding is connected to Ridge and Brooke's 1994 wedding that way. The signs were more obvious there (the sand castle metaphor, viewers already knowing that Taylor was alive in Morocco), but they are here too, albeit more subtle (Stephanie's facial expressions throughout the ceremony, the incredibly awkward moment when Beth and Stephanie light the candle together, the utter _ridicuIousness_ of Darla's reasoning, Sally's pain which felt more real than anything happening at the wedding, and of course the actual wife waiting in the wings, which will be hinted at when Adam appears in a few episodes).
@@NewYorkNick0607I hadn’t even thought of the 1994 beach bonanza, but what an excellent comparison.
@@annieo6527 Right. This time they opted more for surprise (the wedding goes off without a hitch and the viewer finds out about Macy later) than suspense (will Taylor stop the wedding?). Also last time the fairytale wedding was followed by a nightmarish honeymoon (Ridge and Brooke in the storm) but this time the nightmarish honeymoon gets displaced from Brooke and Thorne to Ridge and Taylor (Steffi and the shark incident in St Thomas). In this way the show subtly connects Brooke and Ridge once again.
When does Bobbi Eakes first appear onscreen again btw?
@@NewYorkNick0607 actually, I think the surprise/suspense thing is the other way around. Taylor returning from the dead was definitely a surprise because we had had no definite clue prior to her first Morocco scene that she was actually alive (other than what the savvy soap viewer always knows - an off-screen death means there is always a possibility of a return - and the bIink-and-you'II-miss-it reference to Casablanca). Macy returning from the dead was hinted at almost two years in advance (she makes her first appearance as "Alive Macy" in late 2002), creating an element of suspense, not surprise, because the show actually implies a whole off screen storyline without confirming it until much later.
And while Brooke and Ridge's wedding had the suspenseful question of whether or not Taylor would stop the ceremony (or show up during the honeymoon), there is actually no such equivalent in Brooke and Thorne's storyline. The wedding happens, and then the marriage happens, and then it falls apart all on its own. Macy is not actually involved in that storyline.
Poor Sally.
I feel sorry for her.
They ended this like it was the ending to a fairytale. Brooke’s whispering word thoughts narrating the perfect union. Oh, sure.
It’s funny because when I watched the last episode, I thought “Stephanie shouldn’t be here - she should be at Sally’s drinking cocktails and predicting the downfall of Throoke with her.” And sure enough, Sally shows up in this episode and is as incredulous as I am about Stephanie’s capitulation to this farce. The writers may have tried to make Sally look like the lone holdout, the one in denial, but to me, her righteous pain and anger and frankly common sense made her the moral center of the show in this episode- something that was badly needed given Stephanie’s seemingly have abandoned the position.
I'm just glad someone mentioned Macy and what a disrespect this is to her.
Brooke, in usual tacky fashion, took the time to go all the way up a mountain to bring divorce papers to Macy, at night... We're just gonna overlook that? 😕
Macy's unalivement to make way for Thorne and Brooke's relationship has been shamefully tossed away. It annoys me every time Brooke or Thorne talk about their obstacles, like that's all Macy was.
And then there's Steph having had a literal stroke over Brooke and Thorne, now walking Brooke down the aisle. No. Way.
@@TriniT21And the congregation said, “Amen.” 🙌🏻
Yes! Sally did come across as the only one in this episode who was in character and behaving like an actual human being with feelings. Even Clarke and Darla seemed to have inhaIed too much of Darla's nail polish remover.
@@annieo6527😂@ the nail polisher remover. Poor Darla.
I loves how everyone looked at Stephanie 🤣🤣🤣
Lord have Mercy Them comments are Killing me 😂😂😂
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“After all these years the forresters and the Logan’s are leaving the past in the past” Brooke talks as if their families have been enemies for years. They didn’t have any problems or even notice they existed until Brooke and her siblings encouraged Beth to go after Steph’s husband, and then Brooke herself getting pregnant by him after rebounding from her engagement to his son. The Logan’s are the ones who started this “feud”
Exactly what I've been saying.
They didn't have any "history" until the interlopers, the Logans, and specifically Brooke, decided they were entitled to be Forresters. The Logans were nobodies.
The Spectras joining the Forresters by marriage was a better dynamic bc they actually had a history.
@@TriniT21exactly! The whole idea of "bringing two families together through marriage" was something that applied to Thorne and _Macy,_ not Thorne and Brooke. But even this narrative was stoIen from Macy and given to Brooke.
It was Eric who pursued Beth; she turned him down three times and only finally accepted when he separated from Stephanie, regardless of what Brooke wanted. Storm was the only other one who knew also; neither Donna nor Katie did until Stephen returned. Stephanie accepted that it was Eric who went after Beth, not the other way around, in the argument with Steph in which Brooke revealed she knew Steph had found Stephen.
@@DonaldTaft …so how do you excuse Brooke getting pregnant by a married man while Eric was with Steph? Eric had her under the impression they was back together and Brooke knew they was still living together yet she continued dating him.
Everyone still stares at Stephanie during the “speak now or forever hold your piece part.” It would have been hilarious if she said something.
The Forresters and the Logans had no need to come together 🙄
The Forresters would have been just fine without the Logans being their relatives.
Their "history", as Sally put it, was really just the Logans who always felt so entitled to be part of the Forrester family.
Yes! When did the Forresters and the Logans ever have a family rivalry that needed to be resolved? The Forresters and the _Spectras_ had a rivalry. The Forresters and the Logans were all about the Logan women (minus Katie) wanting to marry into the Forrester family, and Stephanie not wanting them in her family.
How many marriages has Brooke had? Sick all the men in same family
And as soon as she’s slept her way through the forresters she starts with Ridges Marone family. I’m truly surprised they never had her go after Massimo also.
True and…
Taylor slept with the following
Thorne,Eric,and Ridge Forrester
Nick Marone
Stephen Logan
Lol both women are the same 😂
@@-Lily7415true and not only Eric but also Eric junior as well
@@ghadaanwar4243 Yes,Taylor did sleep with Rick too That’s right.😂
I thought that the question was about Brooke. Why is Taylor mentioned?
At least the Spectras remember Macy....
You'd think Thorne would at least remember her, considering that give or take a few soap days, this is the anniversary of his wedding _to Macy._ The Venice episodes happened in January 2000, and this is January 2001.
Sweet Macy💚
Thorne is not even bothered
Precise language:
“Husband and wife/stepmom”
“Wife/stepmother/sister-in-law”
I could of done without the Brooke voiceover at the end!🤮
Wtf did she do that !Whiny voice over.
I just can't understand why there is such a need for Brooke to stress the importance of the Forrester and Logans joining. The Logans are nobodies.
It’s suits her well, since she thinks she lives in a fairytale. 😂
I don't know, but there is nothing else left for that Thorne and Brooke sl and they were able to put in another inconsistency. The writing doesn't believe its own hype.
The hair and makeup team never do right by Brooke but at least the lighting team helped her out today.
I thought her hair was pretty. I’ve always like a updo when it’s done right
KKL was and is very beautiful 😍
Beautiful night time garden wedding ❤
Love Brooke and Thorne ❤ Such a beautiful wedding ❤ Loved it ❤
The voice over at the end was strange.
Would have been fine for a series final where the show would not be continuing on.
But this is a continuing story
LOL.I thought the same thing when I heard it.
I know, it made it seem like future Brooke was looking back and remembering an entire lifetime of being married to Thorne. That voice over did not age well. 😂
I miss these times before Steffy/Hope/Liam/Thomas drama.
*Brooke's Narrative Wins (Or Does It?)*
At the end of this episode, it feels like the show's narrative is now only an extension of Brooke's narrative, with her voice-over at the end (as if she was telling the ending of a fairy tale) and everyone finally uniting in support of Brooke's marriage to Thorne. Brooke appears to get her "happily ever after" with Thorne, and the only "non-beIiever" is Sally Spectra (with Darla telling her how even Macy would be in favor of the wedding). It seems as if all the "opposing voices" of the characters who have been objecting to Brooke's narrative since the beginning of Season 13 have finally been siIenced, and now Brooke's truth is the show's "official truth".
But is it really? I have talked before about how the show itself, from Season 13 until this point, is being written from the point of view of an unreliable narrator, and just at the moment when this narrative has completely taken over, there are subtle signs that it is beginning to crumble. Stephanie's approval of the wedding doesn't feel wholehearted. Darla's claim that Macy would approve of Brooke and Thorne's union clearly doesn't convince or comfort Sally. And the first indication that Brooke and Thorne's marriage isn't actually legaIIy valid is only a week away.
So true! Weddings are always staging grounds for drama on B&B but here the conflict melts away before the wedding seemingly for no reason. Eric, Kimberly, and now even Stephanie. And Sally saying that Stephanie must've gone to the wedding to stop it doesn't just feel like her usual unreliable narration; it feels like she's narrating what Stephanie _should_ be doing. BTW what's the first indication next week? Do we get a shot of living Macy so soon??
@@NewYorkNick0607not only is it what Stephanie _should_ be doing, it's what she looks like she _wants_ to be doing.
There is a scene with Kimberly and Adam in a few episodes in which some fairly un-subtle hints are dropped.
Love how the Taylor haters keep reminding the viewers that she slept with as many men as Brooke…. On Brooke’s wedding day!! She lives rent free in their heads!😂🤦♀️
😂Above all, this is completely irrelevant because the show has a limited number of male and female actors. And Brooke has already had all of the male ones anyway. That being said, Taylor actually didn't sleep with some (Grant, Bill...). But that wouldn't matter at all because, unlike Brooke, Taylor was only ever with men who were "free".
@@ahy4234so true!!😂👍🏻
Seeing Thorne and Brooke smiling at Stephanie, knowing they got her support
Ok, one more comment - I know I’m rambling a lot but there was a lot to mine in this episode 😂. I thought the choice of the garden as the setting for the wedding was an interesting one. It clearly wasn’t random, as even the minister mentions it in his invocation. It’s pretty clear that the Bells, at least at this time, were very comfortable with religion as a presence and a motif in the show. There are frequent references to God and miracles, the weddings are almost always religious, and then there was Taylor’s whole “almost an angel” experience after the birth of the twins. With minor exceptions, at least in the Old Testament (sorry, as a Jew that’s the only one I’m familiar with 😀), the most famous garden reference isn’t a positive one - it’s the Garden of Eden. While it may be Paradise, it’s most famous for being the place where the snake entices Eve to eat the forbidden fruit; she similarly leads Adam into sin; and they are thus punished not only with expulsion, but with a life of physical and emotional travail.
In this episode, we see Brooke marrying the “forbidden fruit” stole away from Macy. But that alliance will ultimately bring both of them nothing but pain (and will be the lead-in to Brooke’s even greater sin, her affair with son-in-law Deacon). Of note, Adam and Even are expelled from the Garden of Eden in the evening - the same time of day this wedding takes place.
Is this all a coincidence? Probably. But is this a way of the show telling us this fairy-tale wedding, conceived in treachery and deceit, will result in Brooke and Thorne’s expulsion from a state of happiness? Perhaps.
I enjoy reading your posts.
BTW I thought it might have been quite funny if Deacon had showed up with baby Eric at the wedding for Amber (hey, Kimberly's there so why not lol), with Brooke and her daughter already starting to give him the eye lol
@@TriniT21OMG that would have been hilarious 😂
Christian allegory has indeed always been part of the Bell universe (it's true on Y&R too). Under Bill Bell's regime, I described Brooke marrying Eric as her "original sin" that prevented her from ever really having Ridge (notice how Bill kept thwarting them from being together and they only got married when his untalented son dismantled his story structure). And Annie and I have written about how the show uses "sacrifice" to redeem a character.
And I echo Trish - I enjoy reading your posts! 🙂
@@NewYorkNick0607Thank you, Nick, that’s quite a compliment coming from a writer/thinker of your caliber!
Love your posts Faye! ♥️
Personally, I associated the garden metaphor with Voltaire's Candide - a satiricaI novel where the main characters go through all kinds of ridicuIous misfortunes naiveIy believing that everything happens for the best and that they are in the best of all possible worlds, and then they finally find that the key to happiness is to "cultivate one's garden" - that is, to appreciate and dedicate oneself to the little things in life close to home, and to strive to improve what one already has rather than chasing fantasies.
So to me this metaphor is actually a _part_ of the unreliable narrative, because it indicates that Thorne and Brooke have finally found their true home, their "garden to cultivate". This is, of course, not true, but it seems as if at this point Bell _wants_ it to be true.
Like to Think Of This As The Final Episode! Before things began to go really downhill!
Damn, Kimberly didn’t tell the Spectras that she was going to the wedding
I found it ironic that this is the best wedding Brooke has ever had. And nothing about it is real.
The speech of brookes dad ❤ one of the finest weddings i saw on BB. It was so ceremonial and lovely. Wheter you like brooke or not. I liked it
And Kimberly's heart is breaking 💔
Why would Steph tell the office she was going to the wedding - it was after hours. More to the point, when did she have the time to, and why would it occur to her to do so when she had far more important business on her mind? A lot of lazy writing driving the plot lately.
The Bride of Frankenstein strikes again.
😂🤣😂👍
The challenge with this wedding is while I found the sex appeal and storyline shock of Thorne and Bridge surprising and entertaining, even now with all obstacles removed, and Stephanie there, does this true love narrative really rings true.
This wedding feels reminiscent of when Victor and Nikki got married in 2002.
Brooke is no Nikki and Thorne is no Victor Newman!
@@jemekiahall5848 The wedding itself, not specifically the characters.
Okay, Thorne has his sister Bridget there and his former sister-in-law, Kimberley. 😏Has there been any explanation why neither Kristen nor Felicia attended that wedding?
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Brooke and Throne started as two stupid friends who wanted to keep Ridge & Caroline apart with their trickery and deception. These two could have been together a long time ago. Brooke should have had her second son for Throne, not Ride because Ridge had three unborn children two for Morgan and one for Brooke, then three beautiful babies for his lover, soulmate, friend, and wife (Dr. Taylor Forrester). Brad Bell messed up the Storyline when he put Ridge and Brooke back together, Brad Bell fired Jack Wagner a/k/a "Nick" Ridge's little brother, and that's why RJ became Ridge's son.
Do you know why Jack Wagner was fired?
@@lil_jon411 No! Jack Wagner a/k/a "Nick" was fired before Ronn Moss a/k/a "Ridge" got fired.
Never knew?
@@jgoldfarb3 Now you do!
After Naylor Nick/Taylor split because of the baby fiasco they put Nick with Katie and then Bridget and the storylines went nowhere and JW was on the back burner and I think he left the show if I remember correctly!
Who is Brooke talking to? Us?? 🤔🤔
Forever hold your peace 😂 my b b is no joke! Love it 😍
This wedding ceremony is a joke ! Just like Brooke😂😅
The wedding itself is beautiful but it should have been Macy Thorne marrys.
@@juliaschmidt6511Macy deserves better !
@@ambika66681I think she would loved that ceremony.
Macy only wanted Thorne to be happy even that's Brooke who he marrys.
@@juliaschmidt6511 Macy didn't want that at all.
@@juliaschmidt6511Macy would never have a wedding like that. She never wanted those over the top fairy tale weddings, she always had the kind of weddings a normaI real person would want to have.
Sally is always in the forresters business!
Her late daughter's husband is remarrying only six months after her death. That _is_ Sally's business.
U&ly Bride. Look like which.
The mirror theme it's weird
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What storms has weathered this "love" of Brooke and Throne. 🤔🙉🙊🫣🙈
His family’s and her kids disapproval that’s justified, her cheating on him with his brother the same day they got engaged, and Thornes marriage to another woman.
_They_ were the storm that destroyed everything in their path including poor Macy.
Like Thorne so eloquently said "even a marriage couldn't destroy our relationship".
Which is a quasi romantic way of saying "I cheated on my wife emotionally all through my marriage to her".
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Brooke hiding under Thorne’s bed when he was with Macy.
Beth as character and the actress never had anything to hold against SF.
The recast later of Beth absolutely bs, since the actress was so much more younger than JMc and SF. But also that recasr couldn't hold a candle to SF. None if them were a match to SF.
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