I've been watching NH for a few months now and I gotta say, I've lost any shred of subconscious desire to hop on gear. I am now of the mindset that humans have a massive potential for muscle growth and performance and that I will never need drugs to look good. Thank you NH
It’s not a mindset it’s a fact. You won’t need drugs to look impressive you’ll need hard work and consistency brother that’s all. Best of wished to you man.
That statement about “every PED user is insecure” is so true. Greg doucette had a good hairline and he still got a hair transplant. Derek mpmd is 6’2 but he still wears lifts in his shoes to be taller. If you are willing to shorten your life span just to look good. There’s something wrong with you
Ofcourse they are insecure. Because most of them arent actively compete onstage yet they are still blasting gear to stay on shape. Like Kali muscle who got rush to hospital multiple time yet he still use it.
who cares? everyone has insecurities. this sounds like virtue signaling to me, who are you to say there’s something wrong with someone just because they decide to make a choice like that?
I wouldn’t take PEDs for a simple reason… when society collapses and the zombies show up, I don’t want to see my gains slip away just because pharmacology is no longer on the table
@@RayRayCrazy good. the fake will get small and the lean will survive. real special forces are all lean. knights were all lean. being huge is unnatural
Training natty since about 10 years. It’s the best way period. Many guys around me that hop on drugs are fucked now or are barely getting by with training anymore. They are afraid to even slip on the floor because a tendon could snap or they don’t want to brace hard because they could rupture something. Imagine having your body and mind crumbling and having nothing to protect you from that. Natural or nothing.
@@supertrollfaxnoprinter3329 come to think of it I've never once heard of anyone being in the situation that the op commented, it kinda sounds like nonsense
Very true, I don't really care about the health argument that much, I just view it as absurd when they claim their journey is equal or greater compared to that of a natural. They are playing on very easy more and need to be reminded of that.
There is no question about it. Being natural is being better. We need to stop being scared to say that some lifestyles and choices are worse than others. No one of sound mind takes drugs just to enhance the way they look. This is in the same realm as breast and ass implants for women. Medical intervention for non-medical "problems" and trying to appear as what you are not.
you could take this statement down some pretty bad roads cause let's just judge people for there life choices because we consider it wrong even tho that's your belief I could see the same argument coming outta Boosie's mouth just saying or people can mind there own
To put in perspective how dangerous the social media is , my dad, who's been training for 30 years naturally ,who achieved 18,5 inch arms at 5'11 225 lbs with visible but not shredded 6pack started watching UA-cam fitness and now has some thoughts about taking trt in the future. It is literally cancer,stay natty
@@ricardoo.s2348 not really, it doesn't seem like he felt like shit and looked for a solution, also it's normal for older man to slowly have decreased levels of test, it's one thing to have low test in your early 20s (which can probably br improved training and dieting), it's another feeling like worse as you age
@@fdsafsgrgsdg242 yeah,he is still holding those numbers,but again, he ain't shredded, just semilean. Of course he has signs of ageing and has certain injuries but overall he is fine for a man in his late 40s.
The entire video was great, but your point at 24:12 & talking about how health is the most important issue here is absolutely right! While I don’t judge others for using PEDs (unless they’re fake natty’s lying about it to sell something or make money by deceiving people), I also know that there are massive potential health & quality of life risks to using any drugs, which includes PEDs. I decided a LONG time ago that living a long, healthy, & happy life was the most important thing to me, which is one of the biggest reasons I’ve never touched a single drug in my life. Now that I have kids, that’s only become more important to me, & I’ve even adapted my own training to be even safer & taking less risks than I used to, as being able to do everything I want to do with my kids while being physically fit thru old age is a top priority of mine. Abusing PEDs for aesthetic or egotistical purposes is a risky behavior IMO & would also not be providing a positive example to my children to follow (the only exception to this would be if I actually needed to take HRT for medical purposes, which I thankfully have no need for)
I like this comment. A lot of the comments section is very anti MK because of this video, which isn't the truth. Yes, NH is right that health is most important, but being natty isn't objectively the most healthy choice. For folks over 60, HRT can really help their health. For trans men, HRT is required to actually transition. Outright rejecting drugs isn't inherently healthy, just like doing test isn't inherently unhealthy within the limitations of sustainability. If I'm natty, but I'm dirty bulking year round or I'm overtraining or I'm holding 8%BF year round, I'm not a healthy individual, regardless of my avoidance of drugs. This is where I disagree highly with NH - the hard and fast rule against drugs is wrong. We need to add the nuance of how health and fitness are not the same thing, despite how much value fitness *can* have to overall health, fitness can also ruin health without any drug usage whatsoever.
@@vanyel_etc8695 fam don't look dumb kicking Open doors...we all know the category of people who we are talking about here...it's ain't trans and old people or sick ppl.
There's nothing wrong with taking 15-20 years to reach potential. Imagine how experienced you will be, and knowing, yeah I did this of my own volition. Instead of taking steroids after 5 year hitting max potential soon after and then needing to take medication for the damage it's caused you for the rest of your life. Stay natty and just enjoy the journey.
Not just that, you never know that whether after 15-20 years you'll still want those extra gains in exchange for years off of your life. What if you now found something you enjoy more or maybe a life partner and now you want to focus on your family and spend time with them. Better wait than regret your early stupid decisions.
Dude, natural lifting is better hands down. I am getting back into lifting after almost 3 years of having stoped. I trained for more than 10 years natural. Apart from some bodyfat gained and a little muscle lost I still look jacked and strong and that was from progressive chalistenics exclusively! You cant keep most of your muscle with a long layoff if you made your gains using drugs.
Every time when it comes to drugs use vs natural lifting I just comically compare the situation with addicted gamblers vs non-gamblers / other people that think long term for themselves. It's still a gamble if you take drugs... Starting from a shit stack, under dosed that gives no results, to fake substances that may kill you, to taking "quality" drugs but still looking like trash because other reasons (poor diet, shitty training, poor sleep, genetics). That's more like a short term thinking, you know the basic excuse "I take drugs now because I want to look my best at 20-25 and not regret later at 40 that I missed my chance ". Usually, in my experience at least, short term thinking and the "easy way" turn out to be bad choices in the future and trying to "hack" the system doesn't make you a winner most often. Usually hard work pays off itself more than finding the shortcut.
@@fayizfz I Started working long hours and didnt have time, so I gave myself a break. After that I got lazy and let myself get influenced by my lazy friends. I had a lot on my mind and had to deal with that. Now I have new goals and a clear vision and dealt with my issues. I had to find a new motivation and be honest with myself about what I want in life.
Perfect timing. Lol. I commented on his video saying that I never considered PEDs and that I thought lower of recreational lifters taking PEDs. He claimed my points are invalid because I’m a nobody and that I’m coping. Ironically, he was able to point out Gregg Douccettes projecting his insecurities onto his viewers. But couldn’t realize he was doing the same about PED use. Edited after watching: damn. I made very similar points in comments towards Revival. You just said it so much more eloquently. Hopefully, he watches this video.
Saw your comment and totally agree with you. He dismissed most people who had opinions like yours, though he has still not responded to my comment this time. My take on his video is he’s warming everyone up to the idea of PEDs as he’s either already begun using them or is planning to at some point in the not too distant future. No natural lifters I know would say many of the things he said in that video or in his responses to the comments…..
@@FitLabb I am gonna be honest Revival is another Greg in the making. Just wait a year or so. He has just as severe body dismorphia and lust for money like Greg.
@@lordvoldemort917 I actually said the same exact thing the other day after seeing these last couple videos. He’s making these latest videos purely for clout chasing & drama causing purposes to get more eyes on him, build his following, & create a buzz about himself on UA-cam. It’s literally right out of Greg’s playbook, & I feel like I’m seeing him selling his soul for quick money grabs & notoriety, at the expense of shedding his integrity & moral standing. It’s sad to see him begin to destroy himself without even realizing it, while he’s probably thinking he’s actually doing the exact opposite with all the attention he’s getting lately.
@@FitLabb He does seem frustrated about his channel growth. Specially with all the pointless and lame dating videos. He admits he makes for views. He definitely is trying to do things from Greg's Playbook.
@@FitLabb That’s an interesting hypothesis. My conversation with him continued on his recent community post talking about women maintaining and their periods. His answers align with your theory.
15:50 often when people say "I'll do whatever it takes", they don't mean the hard work/dedication part. It's more along the lines of "I'll take whatever shortcuts necessary, regardless of the consequences".
RF is a good guy. He finally convinced me to bulk ( through his maingaining videos) and I started to make great progress. Overall, his channel and info is quite good . But I think that he is soon going to hope on the juice. His video was kind of a warm-up for his viewers. I would definitely want him to stay natty but it is what it is.
@@mastertrey4683 I don't care about what kind of a person he is . He just gives good advice for natural lifters and that's what matters to me ( and most of his audience) . He is not my therapist or my roommate that I need to be concerned about his personality.😂
Mentioning John Meadows breaks my heart. Watching his videos and seeing his kid being featured from time to time saddens me, knowing that that boy lost a great father. A grim reminder that you may think about just yourself in the present and in the short term, but in the future, your priorities may change and you might have done something that is irreversible that you might regret. Don't hop on PEDs bois.
I’ll be honest, it’s scary knowing I could of potentially gone to a TRT clinic when I started working from home thinking that I had low T due to depression or bad gym results, but I was very ignorant on programming and diet. Changing those two things have made my life better and given me a clear mindset that makes me happy with myself. Yes, I’m slowly making progress but I am in a better place. What’s even scarier is people younger than me potentially being manipulated into being dependent on something for the rest of their life. Usually, I would do research on something before I take a big step but know that doesn’t happen when someone is desperate and wanting a way to solve their problem. I really hope things don’t turn for the worst for teens
Hello HN. I'm in my 10 year of training now and I've use PEDs on some of those years, led by marketing and toxic masculinity. Long story short, I was really insecure with my body because of bullying and my family forcing me to be 'a man'. I found the solution in testosterone and other drugs, a beautiful body and now I'm more man than man. I'm not using anything anymore for a long time and I wish I could go back in time so I can tell my young self what life really is. I see people here saying 'yeah you do what you want with your life man' but saying this ignores all that these drugs can do on someone, not physically but psychologically. These drugs feeds on what your mind feels and make you use more. I can talk about it if you/you guys what, just ask. I really wish these things didn't exist at all.
@@TheJackOfAllTrades777 what else can a person do who has already f up. Should he die now ? We humans make mistakes all the time but rare do we realise. The person is improving and that's important. So you think you should end your life up after a mistake and shouldn't even admit it and tell it's consequences ? He is saying he caught up on these influences as a younger self and is admitting he is wrong so that we don't do it.
@@TheJackOfAllTrades777 hey bro I really am blaming the drugs, the marketing, masculinity and my own family, and it was my decision. But at that age, my logic was flawless but the starting point was as wrong as possible. When you don't have acess to information and find yourself in a situation that is really horrible/sad/whatever your decision making skills aren't the best, more so at 18 years old. I wish drugs didn't exist not because of me, but because I see a lot of people nowadays that are in situations like mine. The external factors activelly prey on pople like my young self. When you perception is skewed you fall on these holes, they are (like nh says in a lot of videos) easy solutions to really complex problems, like my family and the bullying I suffered. I appreciate your response man!
@anysimmers don't talk like that to yourself, speacially your younger self. You should look at your younger self and be the better person. Talk to your younger self and maybe give him a hug and forgive him. He, like myself, found himself in a not ideal situation.
I have never been tempted to use any kind of PED. I just hate the idea of being hostage of a substance for the rest of my life. Even without PEDs one can be stronger and look better than 99% of people around.
I originally thought the video might have been made with the idea that your character as a person isn’t directly determined by your natty status but then as it continued it became more clear that it was just insulting people who choose not to take PED’s without asking why they wouldn’t do them. The parts where he said natural people must want to take PED’s because they want to know about them is honestly shortsighted and your point about rationalization highlighted that perfectly. In European countries they put images of the side effects of cigarettes on the packaging, why? To act as a deterrent. Informing the public of the risks and health effects of illicit substances directly helps prevent their usage not by fear but by education on the matter. I do think the stigma surrounding PED’s makes it hard to discuss the risks they pose, but it also helps prevent a lot of the general public from abusing them as well. Overall your response was very good and put my feelings into words and confirmed why some of his points rubbed me the wrong way.
NH, I'm not sure if you've heard this before, but have you considered writing a book? It could essentially encapsulate your philosophical and moral/social views in relation to things like lifting, masculinity, the mentality of strength, building of character, etc. It could all be easily framed within the scope of manga, literature, media, and natural bodybuilding. I think it would be a very interesting read, as I genuinely do count you as one who could be considered a modern philosopher on these topics in some regard. I feel as though the world needs more resources such as this moreso than ever at this moment in time. Could certainly broaden your horizons as well and likely be an interesting challenge
@@fdsafsgrgsdg242 Me three. Though I’m not sure if it would go against NH’s desire not to sell things to his viewers. It’s not like he’s selling a $100 program and biasing his content on marketing it.
@@tuukkai1841 I suppose the only way to rectify this would be to make it free, but then what's the point of going to all the trouble when his videos are essentially what the book would be? Very good point
When I first started lifting at about 12 years old, social media and UA-cam was severely influential. People underestimate the power of it. I actually thought at first that I could obtain a physique like Kai Greene with years and years of hard work. I finally came to the conclusion and accepted early on it's probably not gonna happen, but with hard work and patience I could still obtain a respectable physique, and decided to do it for the long haul. I have zero desire to ever go on gear, and naturals who have that commitment should be very proud.
8:00 This is basically what I commented on his video. You will for ever destroy the enjoyment you experienced being a natty the second you hop on the juice. You wont go back.
Despite having used peds in the past and having retained a decent measure of my progress I agree with the majority of your points and despite shorter term muscle growth benefits or drug dependent gains, the psychological changes that occur certainly can create a negative spiral and don’t facilitate discipline or good practices to the same extent as training naturally. I am a growing fan of this type of content despite previously looking to non natural lifting content and sources for education and entertainment. Thank you for this.
In my opinion nothing feels more good than breaking a plateau that you are stuck for months by calculating and adjusting form, food,periodization etc. Vs taking a pill everyday and getting quick results.
Haven't watched the video yet, but I can say one thing immediately: steroids are hard drugs and people who take them are drug users, and thus should be treated as such. It's not because the strange people living in Los Angeles have normalised it that it's okay to take them, even for a or whatever (is a few millions worth the sacrifice of your health, even short term?)
@@mitra7195 If they're willing to be helped, they should receive support as they come off the drug. Otherwise they should be left on their own, unless their habit is destructive to people around them.
> even for a or whatever (is a few millions worth the sacrifice of your health, even short term?) Lost me after "whatever". *NOBODY* gives a damm about their health! I don't care if they sacrifice their soul to Satan for 20$. The problem is those actors *LIE* to the general public about how they got big, from diet to exercise, it's all *LIES* and since they are big name actors, they *POISON* many normies. They should be as open about their roids as they are about not being able to fly or shoot lasers or whatever CGI that comes out of their anus. Just admit that it's all *FAKE* but they don't.
I think that one point that is often made in favour of PED is similar to the rhetoric of freedom in choice of recreational drug users. However I think that hard drugs and PED are two different type of drugs. An heroin addict is gonna look unhelathy, skinny and emaciated, a coke or meth addict might sound like a schizophrenic person to a sober eye, a PED user instead, especially to the ye of novices that have just started lifting, is going to look majestic, big, strong, herculean and some people are even unaware of their PED use. The benefits of PED use are visible from the outside, while recreational drugs only have a short lasting mental "benefit", e.g the "high", which from the outside is not even that cool to look at
An important video for Revival aswell, from his arguments i got the sense that he doesn't exclude the possibility of jumping on drugs one point in his bodybuilding journey. It's just simply better for your health not to, it's never worth it.
Lord Voldemort which is ridiculous, your not at your max potential then, even doctor mike who’s on tons of gear says if your gonna do it wait till at least year 10 thats when you know your full potential and if you wanna take the risks on.
@@MrStinkels he gave himself away, if in his eye drug use can "give you money and fame" (he literally replied this too me on his video I can verify") then it is only logical too deduce that the dude with a "FITNESS" based youtube channel could only "appear" (key being appear) more legitimate. And that's what all these dudes do
John Meadows was a really bad example for RF. He might have had good intentions in some areas but he did not address his drug addiction and left his kids without a father as a result of his own choices.
I like revival, he is a good guy, but I agree with your viewpoint more. Health>aesthetics. Aesthetics are a byproduct of good health. You can chase aesthetics if it’s healthy and you are healthy, that’s fine. But sacrificing health is throwing the only thing you truly own, your own body. This is why I listen to many you tubers and never just follow one. I never agree with one person 100 percent.
You make a good point about just because your low t doesn’t mean you have to juice. I was hypogonadal when I was morbidly obese. I had 280-320 total ng/dl. One and half year later and I’m sitting at 800+ while still cutting and not sleeping well due to hunger. Just try to stay active all day and lose the fat/recomp.
I know it's late but don't base your understanding of your testosterone production simply on your total, particularly when in a low carb diet. I went from 480 to 940 in a couple of months of relatively low carb diet (much less hungry during summer time) but my free test increased much less. It did increase because I started lifting again etc but a lot less of my total because the SHBG tends to creep up if you don't spike your insulin with some carbs relatively often.
I 100% agree here, when I saw that video title I facepalmed. Why someone would remotely be promoting or at least trying to normalize the use of PEDs when it’s already a normalized plague is baffling. I get the intention of the video but that’s what it does ultimately
Absolutely. The biggest problem in the industry is the normalization of drug use. I had to unfollow him, I can't listen to someone who doesn't realize that
@@grottphd9090 that's not the biggest problem in fitness lol, the biggest problem is impatience and lies about the problems of the bodybuilding and powerlifting lifestyle and how much of it is literally not healthy in general. What about TRT for folks in their 50s? Is drugs okay then? What about trans men who are already on TRT because of their transition? This hard and fast rule is stupid. We need to have a conversation, we can't just be like "drugs bad 100% of the time" Has doing that hard and fast rule bullshit ever helped or stopped ANYBODY? No. It doesn't fix shit. NH even says this less than 10 minutes into the video, the correct decision is to say "never or forever" because that's the truth. If you're natty, you can never ever do a cycle. If you're enhanced, you're on PED's forever. It's how it is. Saying "you're an inferior person for doing PED's" is just a fucking lie. Are you a healthier person for being natty? Maybe, maybe not, a natty person can be crazy unhealthy if they dirty bulk or stay below 10%BF year round.
@@vanyel_etc8695 The biggest part of the health problems in bodybuilding and powerlifting is the drug use lol. As for the lies you're referring to, I can only assume you mean the lies of "fake natties" which are egregious in promoting body dysmorphia and spreading mistrust of real natties. What almost seems worse however is those influencers who openly take steroids, invariably causing steroid normalization among their followers, many of whom are often young kids blinded by respect for their idols. Anywhere on gym tik tok you can find young kids asking questions like "Is it okay to do a cycle of tren if I'm 14?" We have rotted these children's brains and crushed their perception of their own natural potential by convincing them that all the bodybuilders and powerlifters and everyone else they look up to is on steroids. This has been done through natty or nots and steroid honesty. And all this considered we realize that lying is not the issue, it's the drugs. Trt is used 90% of the time as a PED. It's not very useful to talk about the instances where it is actually applied therapeutically as this is the exception. Whenever test levels can be raised naturally (which is almost all the time), this is always the superior option. People have been convinced trt is just a magical way to become an alpha male and many are completely unaware of the net negatives and the risks involved. If trans men want to take a steroid I don't see why they should be treated any differently than anyone else. Drugs is drugs. You're coming at it from a perspective of being fair to everyone's perspective, I'm coming at it from the perspective of minimizing drug abuse. We've been having a lot more open and non-judgemental conversations about drug use in recent years and drug use has increased. Stigmatizing drug use is the only way to minimize its use. I suppose saying "naturals are better than roiders" is indirectly saying "people who do PEDs are inferior" however they are not one and the same. Are people who don't drink "better" than habitual drunks? Yeah. Refraining from vice is a virtue. There are many steroid users I respect because I'm able to recognize this is only one part of who they are. But I cannot respect someone who does not recognize that recreational use of hard drugs is wrong. These drugs are not wrong just because they cause unhealth of the body, although this is significant enough. Poisoning your body causes unhealth of the mind and even spirit, if you believe in that sort of thing. It's an addiction, and I do believe it causes significant degradation on every level.
@@vanyel_etc8695 I will answer some of your burning questions..... > " What about TRT for folks in their 50s? Is drugs okay then" ------------> *NO! IT'S TRASH!* > "What about trans men who are already on TRT because of their transition?" ------------> *NO! IT'S GARBAGE* We don't need to have any conversation on this, other then how it's all *EXCUSES* and in many cases *AFRER THE FACT JUSTIFICATIONS* for shoving the needle in and *INJECTING DRUGS!* Doesn't matter how old you are or how much you want to beat up women. You are still a drug addicted loser *LOL*
@@vanyel_etc8695 > that's not the biggest problem in fitness lol, the biggest problem is impatience and lies about the problems of the bodybuilding and powerlifting lifestyle and how much of it is literally not healthy in general. Someone *REALLY* doesn't want to talk about the biggest issue and *DESPRERATLY* wants to deflect to something else.
He gives off a really bad energy. Even when his points are good (most of the time actually) he comes off as motivated by resentment then by a need to inform/help.
@@bladestrike8045 I have noticed that too, it feels like he is one of those dudes who correlate pessimism with realism and think being an asshole makes him look cool.
@@bladestrike8045 literally the exact reason why I follow Geoffrey, and NH and have not been a big fan of RF. Both have opinions but never seem to come from a place specifically of Malice or hate, or even resentment.
My only gripe with PED users as fitness influencers is passing as a natural (trying to profit from newbies) and not making painful clear the future side effects of cycling PEDs.
I thought it was interesting how he gave Greg shit for making money selling cookbooks and turkesterone but then took a sponsorship that encourages young men they need to check their testosterone levels. The same thing greg just just did a sponsored video on
@@lordvoldemort917 1st step: calling out the BS of big youtubers -> gaining fame 2nd step: becoming the big youtuber who spews BS Tbh i like revival's overall content despite this video and it would be sad if he'd took this route
Hell, there is a massive satisfaction in staying natural, knowing any tiny strength or size gains i get i damn well earned, never having to wonder if it's just the drugs, plus live longer, but mainly the pleasure aspect i get in knowing it's all me!! Besides, i do believe being natural pushes us to learn more about programming, if it's as simple as upping the dose you would stagnate in your knowledge, it will just come down to cycle designs in terms of drugs instead of actually programming, and i really enjoy learning and experimenting, it would be hard to tell if a program is working if ur just blasting, because there's more variables at play, besides hard to explain but i just think natural physiques look nicer, they don't like so alien to me, stay natty bros!
on the point at roughly 27:00 minutes in, I think its important to highlight when you talk about young lifters, a lot of us might think about young adults, 18-24 or so, but there are kids literally hopping on steroids at 11-17 years old. Just fucking wrecking their health for life without any idea what they're doing.
RF saying guys who don’t use PEDs just because they’re scared of needles and don’t know where to get them is projection in the highest order. I also find it peculiar how he will talk about Greg promoting body dysmorphia with body fat levels, yet he does the exact same thing (only in the opposite end) where he routinely mocks novices who can’t hit certain numbers, saying things like “Lol he can’t even bench 185, what a twig. Probably eats like a bird.”
another thing i would like to add on the ill effects of drugs is how it fucks up your mind and blinds you to some severe red flags, this is something i have seen time and time again on mpmd channel where he commends people like dorian yates who actually got off using as much and downsized, this implying that most people doing such peds even if they're getting their bloodwork and whatever else to see their health status just ignore most problematic stuff because of them feeling compelled to do so by their own severe body dysmorphia it can also be said that is peds didn't exist many good people like John wouldn't have had to jump on drugs however conservative a dose because everyone would've been natural, and close to 100% of the deaths in bodybuilding wouldn't have happened
A dead person who left his wife and children alone to mourn him. Taking drugs is like commiting suicide. I respected John but I would argue that if you don't take PEDs you ARE a better person
Revival fitness has a good physique and good knowledge about working out, programming, etc but his opinions on things outside of that are a little bit immature and childish in my opinion.
Great video! Stigma is a valuable social technology for discouraging behaviors that are harmful, but the concept has itself become stigmatized. Drug use should be stigmatized! Keep taking strong stands, no need to simp for the PED user's feelings. Great point about the video being sponsored by trt pushers as well. Definitely a conflict of interest. I wouldn't be surprised if he hops on a cycle soon, or already has.
The problem is that we don't have objective moral standards. They evolved with humans in order for us to organise ourselves in society. Therefore, it is always up for debate (slavery is a fine example). How do you think we can solve this problem?
I think that there is a separation between moral superiority and the factual effects of drug abuse. If naturals want to feel good and unite together that is all good. And having pride as a natural is not wrong, I think the key is keeping that limited as much to the fitness aspect. There are steroid users who influence others in extremely negative ways and their morality can be judge accordingly. However, the concept of looking down on the group of steroid users as a whole is a little too sweeping for me. We can also bring up that not everyone responds well to society placing sweeping rules on what is right and wrong. That’s why I tend to feel shaming and feeling superior doesn’t completely solve the issue, but it is ok for naturals to feel that way. And in many ways natural training is superior from most perspectives. It’s unquestionably healthier. Naturals will live a longer, healthier life. Keep doing a good job of highlighting this and not letting people think drug abuse is healthy. The key is education, not sweeping condemnation imo. It is a personal choice (unless you’re an influencer or are effecting others to take drugs), but a personal choice does not mean it’s the right choice…or the most healthy one. I truly believe people can do what they want if they aren’t hurting others, and I get a lot of people do end up negatively effecting others. Just think it’s a lil more nuisanced. Thanks for the vid
I've seen you around various comment sections and just got around to watching the video you did with AlphaDestiny and I just wanted to say I'm massively impressed with your maturity and intelligence, so subed and am looking forward to watching more of your stuff, keep at it brother!
Perhaps Revival Fitness made the video because he considers taking PEDs at some point. So the video can work as insurance for the future, in case of criticism.
He has severe body dismorphia just like Greg Doucette. He wants to look like Chris Bumstead too. He gets annoyed and pissed off at "manlets" like Alpha Destiny, Jeff Nippard, etc for lifting more than him, complaining about leverages, distance bar has to move, etc. Then makes videos about this projecting his own insecurities and body dismorphia on his viewers. I wouldn't be surprised if he hopped on to the Dark Side.
I dont know about you guys, but environment definitely play a huge role on someone's decision to hop on gears. But in my place the physical standards is so low for attractiveness even if you dont lift and just not being fat is the bare minimum, so just basic lifting body already made you above average and bring satisfaction, not even a slight thought of using gear (at least me)
I noticed it few months back he is probably trying to get on gear, when he tried to justify using TRT for bodybuilding purposes by comparing it to other medical conditions that require harmonal therapies
Yeah,he is probably tired of how low the gain to pain ratio is in natty lifters. Unfortunately,I hope he will not start using it. Also the minute you start thinking about taking stuff you will begin slacking off on training
The dude didn't even trained for 4 hard year and is deciding to hope on gear and then calls himself the saviour of fitness world. Pathetic. It's actually a simple recipe to gain subscribers nowadays, hate on Greg and you will get views and everything. I am not saying greg is saint or any thing but just hating on someone shouldn't be the only point for views on a channel.
This is an important message, bad things ought to be stigmatized and shamed. I think more people need to spread awareness of how terrible these drugs are for health. If not we have a world in which everyone is uneducated about the products they consume. Imagine a world where people who criticize things are ignored, not only will society and culture collapse but freedom won't exist. Freedom is the availability of choice, if bad reviews did not exist and all that existed were people co-opting, then naturally using that product is the only choice. I feel bad for woefully ignorant ped users.
44:55 or he might just want to remain in good term with potential UA-cam collaborations with whom most are enhanced .He tries to avoid hurting their feeling. Thanks God there is someone like you .. giving no flying fuck lool
Very good video bro typical fallacious thinking and what looks like a preemptive stance for the guy before he actually starts PEDs. Common tactic amongst retroactive fake natties before they come out. There is no argument for peds legit sports ban them (even if some athlete cheat) and lifting sports should follow suit (bodybuilding, powerlifting, strongman etc )
I was about to jump and do my very first video because he got me so good but there is absolutely nothing I could add to that. No one can escape the French Fitness Police.
NH again using only plain reason and common sense to examine things as they present themselves in reality. Simply following the ideas out to their inherent logical conclusions as a way to expose it for what it is at root. Digging under the surface of philosophies to discover the motives and actions they inspire. All the while addressing the person, yet avoiding ad hominem. Excellent! "Drug use is Drug use". one of the plainest statements. There is nothing mysterious about it. It is irrefutable that actions have corresponding consequences. This guy makes me proud to be a natural 💪🏽...and an independent thinker💭. Two seemingly lost arts today.
I suspect NH's reason to wage jihad against PEDs is not only a question of ethics and public safety, I think it might be a personal issue as well. He hasn't explicitly said this, but I think he has a case of prostate cancer in his family and that's why he has such an aggressive stance. I may be wrong, but I just have this hunch. For the people who don't know, TRT greatly accelerates prostate cancer and triggers it in people who may be prone to having it, but otherwise might not get it early, like in their 40s-50s, more like in their 70s.
Will watch this, but what made me stop watching Revival Fitness is him having that video sponsored by a male hormone testing company. IMO, sponsors like that are just scare tactics into making men think they have a poor hormonal profile because they're not the top 0.0001% genetic elite. Basically if you don't have a barbarian's level of testosterone, you only have estrogen. When in reality, most men have an average hormonal profile, and hormone levels can be improved by training, general physical activity, good diet, etc - you don't have low testosterone just because you're not able to put on 100lbs of muscle after 1 month of lifting.
Don't like Vitruvian Physique for the exact same reason. (same sponsor too) and obsession with Genetics and Testosterone and anything new and shiny like Turkestorone.
Revival fitness content is straight fire as is yours and he can usually do no wrong. However I did think the video was a bit strange and a precursor to his own use. Still love the content from both guys tho so no hate what so ever on his part 👌🏻🔥
I do think actors have the time to get to a good physique naturally, i believe Henry Cavill is a natty and if he wasn't his physique is acheivable natty for sure with decent training.
Didn't Cavill recently come out as not natty without actually saying it ? There was a 60hr mpmd video on that of which I watched a few minutes so I could be wrong.
@@krishnagodale3200 Not really. It was a video telling viewers about useful supplements he takes (basically a disguised advertisement). Just like creatine and stuff like that. He’s one of the few dudes I don’t have a problem believing is natural
@@joebloggs6922 Seems like I made a false inference by watching only a part of the video then. Good to know since I too believe Cavill to be one of the more respectable and honest guys in Hollywood.
@@krishnagodale3200 even if he was on the juice a physique like his is totally acheivable with a decent understanding of training, he isn't even very lean, i think his body resembles Clint Walker but with better insertions.
What if they had roles that required them not to have a muscular body then they obtain a roll for a movie requiring muscle mass. You gonna ask the director to put the movie on hold for 5-8 years so you can get the natty dream physique for it? Nah, not how it works.
Not a comment, not even a one hour video can thoroughly explain why being natural is superior..you just know it is. It's weird how this guy managed to call out clown greg yet to lose all the respect he gained shortly after. Even his subscribers don't know any better (kids) seeing how they agreed with him.
Didn’t watch his whole response video to this one but from the first half I did watch it boiled down to “I am not my brothers keeper” and his video only makes sense if you think you owe nothing at all to the people around you.
Not every lifter started to lift out of insecurity. I started to lift as part of my post ACL reconstruction surgery recovery so, not because I didn’t like the body I had.
It's rarer for people to start lifting for those reasons. Another example would be someone that needs gym training as a part of a sport. What kept you lifting after rehab?
Part about actors taking drugs is interesting. With drugs you can go from muscular to skinny and anywhere in between to play different characters with various body types. Though CGI could deal with that. Whats more important, cost of production or the health of the actor?
and we can be proud about our gains ! because we know what we need to do for that !!! so why not beeing proud about that ? we did it with hard work, consistency and lots of effort.
Great discussion 32:13 Personally I dont agree with this. Dont think we should be shaming people because they have taken PEDs. You can shame PEDs themselves all you want, but shaming an individual for making a decision that isn't harming anyone else (in a significant capacity) seems unneccesary. Just like being obese we need to educate people on the serious side effects of PED usage. But I am not going to shame someone for being obese 48:13 We dont need a moral highground. I dont want a moral highground. Our highground is that PEDs have negative health consequences. There is no need to bring morality into it
Just to add that his point of shaming is for the wishy washy people that dont know if they should jump on PEDs or not. Which doesnt really apply to obesity, since it takes time to be obese. Either you do one cycle and stop for one reason or another, or become a full on PED user. So the purpose wouldnt be to shame PEDs users because we want to feel better about ourselves, is to shame the idea of destroying your body from the inside out "just to look good" (outside of competitions and such). But thats my interpretation
@@Rikarwb He says "shame PED users". Different than "shame the idea of destroying your body" you mentioned, which I agree we should of course do. That also means youre not targeting individuals which is what I mainly have issues with I agree obesity doesn't happen overnight like PED usage, and you can't just stop obesity overnight either. I was just using it as an example. He seems to justify shaming PED users because they hurt themselves and normalise PED usage for other people. I used obesity as an example because you could argue they too hurt themselves and normalise obesity for other people
@@robertmosley1188 well, shaming an idea without shaming people is a bit illogical, or even dare i say hypocritical, specially if they chose to do it. Now i understand your point, you dont want to shame the entity of the people, that its fundementally different from PEDs. The problem is that, they choose to do that. So its not about shaming the whole person, just the processes behind making such a decision: lack of logic, social pressure, being naive, etc. And to be honest, i dont know if i like the word "shame" in this context, i prefer "logically criticizing", shaming sounds like i woke up grumpy and im telling kids to get out of my lawn
@@Rikarwb I dont think that shaming an idea but not shaming an individual is illogical. I'd shame gambling, but not someone playing the lottery. I'd shame Nestle, but not a low level employee of Nestle. Would I shame the CEO? Sure. But would I shame a shareholder? Maybe? For me it comes down to how much of a negative impact that person is having on others. The lines drawn will be different for everyone, it's a grey area. But for me, personally, someone using PEDs is not harming other people enough to warrant shaming. And yes, I agree, maybe "shame" is not the best word, but it is what NH repeatedly used in his video.
Excellent video. I disagree with one point you made at around 26:00 though. Society's rules are not really formed by people striving for health, imo. Drugs are stigmatized, unless you're talking about alcohol, which is a pretty hard drug that directly accounts for half of all hospital visits (old statistic, could have changed, but you get the point). It also chooses to stigmatize things that are not harmful, for example breastfeeding in public (many other examples). It makes sense that drug use is stigmatized, but imo it doesn't make society's rules more logical
I feel like my siblings are fighting.
The only siblings ever to have a respectful discussion and fight in a civilised manner.
What is your opinion on this Geoff?
I laughed because somehow I fell a part of this xD
@@researcher_21c72 roid to the max to be a big man.
@@researcher_21c72 hmmmmm if only there was a platform that allowed me to share my opinion in video format :)
I've been watching NH for a few months now and I gotta say, I've lost any shred of subconscious desire to hop on gear. I am now of the mindset that humans have a massive potential for muscle growth and performance and that I will never need drugs to look good. Thank you NH
Fuck Yeah
Drugs are literally "the easy way out" or cheating, but there is no real shortcut in life without a catch, it's a journey not a speedrun
It’s not a mindset it’s a fact. You won’t need drugs to look impressive you’ll need hard work and consistency brother that’s all. Best of wished to you man.
Team Natty 4 life
Same hear my friend, his perspectives and insights are incredible
That statement about “every PED user is insecure” is so true. Greg doucette had a good hairline and he still got a hair transplant. Derek mpmd is 6’2 but he still wears lifts in his shoes to be taller. If you are willing to shorten your life span just to look good. There’s something wrong with you
Well put bob.
Ofcourse they are insecure. Because most of them arent actively compete onstage yet they are still blasting gear to stay on shape. Like Kali muscle who got rush to hospital multiple time yet he still use it.
who cares? everyone has insecurities. this sounds like virtue signaling to me, who are you to say there’s something wrong with someone just because they decide to make a choice like that?
@@norboru7204 killing yourself just so you could look a certain way is stupid 🤦🏿♂️
@@ninjabobbob8090 So is not looking like a greek god.
Massive french man tells me I'm better for 1hr straight
A new kink is born
@@notbadsince97 don't ruin the brotherhood
I wouldn’t take PEDs for a simple reason… when society collapses and the zombies show up, I don’t want to see my gains slip away just because pharmacology is no longer on the table
Best reason I've heard
Lol but food won’t be plentiful so you’ll still lose size and strength overtime
@@RayRayCrazy food is easier to derive from nature than SARMs are
@@RayRayCrazy But I can grow food.
@@RayRayCrazy good. the fake will get small and the lean will survive.
real special forces are all lean. knights were all lean. being huge is unnatural
How ironic, he could save others from body dysmorphia but not himself.
Reminds me of Nietzsche’s line: (paraphrasing!) If I have the key to your lock, what makes you think that our locks are the same? Kinda tragic
@@MORRDIUS LOL
If you actually think this you’re delusional
😆 nah he's got the opposite
He's thinks he's way bigger than he is
@@virtuerse i was not prepared to get hit this deep in the comment section of a youtube lifting video holy shit 😧
Training natty since about 10 years. It’s the best way period. Many guys around me that hop on drugs are fucked now or are barely getting by with training anymore. They are afraid to even slip on the floor because a tendon could snap or they don’t want to brace hard because they could rupture something. Imagine having your body and mind crumbling and having nothing to protect you from that.
Natural or nothing.
I know a guy who’s afraid to do any barbell or dumbbell work out of fear of fucking his joints.
Also great physique bro!
@@crabenthusiast7683 thanks man!
If they wrecked themselves to that level, they were never serious about it or done anything athletic except for bodybuilding
@@cattlecumwewlad6941no true Scotsman fallacy
@@supertrollfaxnoprinter3329 come to think of it I've never once heard of anyone being in the situation that the op commented, it kinda sounds like nonsense
I don’t do PEDs because I feel that it is cheating and I’m being handed something I didn’t earn. I think that resonates with a lot of people here
Absolutely, man. Nothing like seeing a little progress here or there and knowing it was 100% all you.
@@volusian95 spoken like prophet
Very true, I don't really care about the health argument that much, I just view it as absurd when they claim their journey is equal or greater compared to that of a natural.
They are playing on very easy more and need to be reminded of that.
I don't think it's cheating, we really aren't competing, I'd say more they are playing a different game altogether, one with a grim end
Precisely
Never ceases to amaze me how people declare they should be able to do whatever they want but also not be judged for it. Great video!
@@johnfurr6060 judge, but judge righteously.
There is no question about it. Being natural is being better. We need to stop being scared to say that some lifestyles and choices are worse than others. No one of sound mind takes drugs just to enhance the way they look. This is in the same realm as breast and ass implants for women. Medical intervention for non-medical "problems" and trying to appear as what you are not.
True
Great post 👍
But at least there are men trying to bring gender equality to body dysmorphia.
you could take this statement down some pretty bad roads cause let's just judge people for there life choices because we consider it wrong even tho that's your belief I could see the same argument coming outta Boosie's mouth just saying or people can mind there own
@@jonjones7854 What other calculus can you use to judge someone, apart from their life choices?
To put in perspective how dangerous the social media is , my dad, who's been training for 30 years naturally ,who achieved 18,5 inch arms at 5'11 225 lbs with visible but not shredded 6pack started watching UA-cam fitness and now has some thoughts about taking trt in the future. It is literally cancer,stay natty
To be fair you dad at that age, TRT would problably benefit him.
@@ricardoo.s2348 not really, it doesn't seem like he felt like shit and looked for a solution, also it's normal for older man to slowly have decreased levels of test, it's one thing to have low test in your early 20s (which can probably br improved training and dieting), it's another feeling like worse as you age
@@ricardoo.s2348 If hes still holding the stats above he clearly isnt in need of hormonal assistance for a while
@@ricardoo.s2348 Benefit from being dependent on drugs LOL
@@fdsafsgrgsdg242 yeah,he is still holding those numbers,but again, he ain't shredded, just semilean. Of course he has signs of ageing and has certain injuries but overall he is fine for a man in his late 40s.
The entire video was great, but your point at 24:12 & talking about how health is the most important issue here is absolutely right! While I don’t judge others for using PEDs (unless they’re fake natty’s lying about it to sell something or make money by deceiving people), I also know that there are massive potential health & quality of life risks to using any drugs, which includes PEDs.
I decided a LONG time ago that living a long, healthy, & happy life was the most important thing to me, which is one of the biggest reasons I’ve never touched a single drug in my life. Now that I have kids, that’s only become more important to me, & I’ve even adapted my own training to be even safer & taking less risks than I used to, as being able to do everything I want to do with my kids while being physically fit thru old age is a top priority of mine. Abusing PEDs for aesthetic or egotistical purposes is a risky behavior IMO & would also not be providing a positive example to my children to follow (the only exception to this would be if I actually needed to take HRT for medical purposes, which I thankfully have no need for)
I like this comment. A lot of the comments section is very anti MK because of this video, which isn't the truth. Yes, NH is right that health is most important, but being natty isn't objectively the most healthy choice. For folks over 60, HRT can really help their health. For trans men, HRT is required to actually transition. Outright rejecting drugs isn't inherently healthy, just like doing test isn't inherently unhealthy within the limitations of sustainability. If I'm natty, but I'm dirty bulking year round or I'm overtraining or I'm holding 8%BF year round, I'm not a healthy individual, regardless of my avoidance of drugs.
This is where I disagree highly with NH - the hard and fast rule against drugs is wrong. We need to add the nuance of how health and fitness are not the same thing, despite how much value fitness *can* have to overall health, fitness can also ruin health without any drug usage whatsoever.
When people train for performance and health instead of trying to look like people on the Internet, a lot of the issues disappear.
Bloatmaxxing is almost dangerous as dangerous as taking PEDs in some cases lol
@@vanyel_etc8695 fam don't look dumb kicking Open doors...we all know the category of people who we are talking about here...it's ain't trans and old people or sick ppl.
@@vanyel_etc8695healthy only becomes worse with the addition of drugs for the average joe though
There's nothing wrong with taking 15-20 years to reach potential. Imagine how experienced you will be, and knowing, yeah I did this of my own volition. Instead of taking steroids after 5 year hitting max potential soon after and then needing to take medication for the damage it's caused you for the rest of your life. Stay natty and just enjoy the journey.
especially when you can get 50% of your potential within 2 years and 80% by 5
Not just that, you never know that whether after 15-20 years you'll still want those extra gains in exchange for years off of your life. What if you now found something you enjoy more or maybe a life partner and now you want to focus on your family and spend time with them. Better wait than regret your early stupid decisions.
Dude, natural lifting is better hands down. I am getting back into lifting after almost 3 years of having stoped. I trained for more than 10 years natural. Apart from some bodyfat gained and a little muscle lost I still look jacked and strong and that was from progressive chalistenics exclusively!
You cant keep most of your muscle with a long layoff if you made your gains using drugs.
Every time when it comes to drugs use vs natural lifting I just comically compare the situation with addicted gamblers vs non-gamblers / other people that think long term for themselves. It's still a gamble if you take drugs... Starting from a shit stack, under dosed that gives no results, to fake substances that may kill you, to taking "quality" drugs but still looking like trash because other reasons (poor diet, shitty training, poor sleep, genetics). That's more like a short term thinking, you know the basic excuse "I take drugs now because I want to look my best at 20-25 and not regret later at 40 that I missed my chance ". Usually, in my experience at least, short term thinking and the "easy way" turn out to be bad choices in the future and trying to "hack" the system doesn't make you a winner most often. Usually hard work pays off itself more than finding the shortcut.
@Jaime Dale Do you know what a PCT is by any chance
Why did you quit lifting
@@fayizfz I Started working long hours and didnt have time, so I gave myself a break. After that I got lazy and let myself get influenced by my lazy friends. I had a lot on my mind and had to deal with that. Now I have new goals and a clear vision and dealt with my issues. I had to find a new motivation and be honest with myself about what I want in life.
Revival fitness is getting popular over his greg video but his other videos are odd. He has an entire video mocking people for being short lol
He seems kinda spiteful to me
He isn't mocking them for being short......he is mocking them for being short and mogging him......that's his real issue.
@@bladestrike8045 lol
@@TheUcHiHaMaD Love your username dude
@@trev6664 thanks?
Perfect timing. Lol. I commented on his video saying that I never considered PEDs and that I thought lower of recreational lifters taking PEDs. He claimed my points are invalid because I’m a nobody and that I’m coping.
Ironically, he was able to point out Gregg Douccettes projecting his insecurities onto his viewers. But couldn’t realize he was doing the same about PED use.
Edited after watching: damn. I made very similar points in comments towards Revival. You just said it so much more eloquently. Hopefully, he watches this video.
Saw your comment and totally agree with you. He dismissed most people who had opinions like yours, though he has still not responded to my comment this time. My take on his video is he’s warming everyone up to the idea of PEDs as he’s either already begun using them or is planning to at some point in the not too distant future. No natural lifters I know would say many of the things he said in that video or in his responses to the comments…..
@@FitLabb I am gonna be honest Revival is another Greg in the making. Just wait a year or so. He has just as severe body dismorphia and lust for money like Greg.
@@lordvoldemort917 I actually said the same exact thing the other day after seeing these last couple videos. He’s making these latest videos purely for clout chasing & drama causing purposes to get more eyes on him, build his following, & create a buzz about himself on UA-cam. It’s literally right out of Greg’s playbook, & I feel like I’m seeing him selling his soul for quick money grabs & notoriety, at the expense of shedding his integrity & moral standing. It’s sad to see him begin to destroy himself without even realizing it, while he’s probably thinking he’s actually doing the exact opposite with all the attention he’s getting lately.
@@FitLabb He does seem frustrated about his channel growth. Specially with all the pointless and lame dating videos. He admits he makes for views. He definitely is trying to do things from Greg's Playbook.
@@FitLabb That’s an interesting hypothesis. My conversation with him continued on his recent community post talking about women maintaining and their periods. His answers align with your theory.
15:50 often when people say "I'll do whatever it takes", they don't mean the hard work/dedication part. It's more along the lines of "I'll take whatever shortcuts necessary, regardless of the consequences".
RF is a good guy. He finally convinced me to bulk ( through his maingaining videos) and I started to make great progress. Overall, his channel and info is quite good . But I think that he is soon going to hope on the juice. His video was kind of a warm-up for his viewers. I would definitely want him to stay natty but it is what it is.
Good luck man. It is very rewarding to watch your body grow with few weeks.
He's blackpilled and doesn't think he can achieve much.
I thought the same, I hope he doesn't but he did say he wants to compete.
He seems like a douchebag to me. Of the like two videos ive seen of him hes attempting to make drama
@@mastertrey4683 I don't care about what kind of a person he is . He just gives good advice for natural lifters and that's what matters to me ( and most of his audience) . He is not my therapist or my roommate that I need to be concerned about his personality.😂
Mentioning John Meadows breaks my heart. Watching his videos and seeing his kid being featured from time to time saddens me, knowing that that boy lost a great father. A grim reminder that you may think about just yourself in the present and in the short term, but in the future, your priorities may change and you might have done something that is irreversible that you might regret. Don't hop on PEDs bois.
Yeah it seems like he would've made a great natural trainer as well, but the pro environment has been shilling so many terrible and deathly ideas.
@@FermiGBM1 Spot on. Hell, with some inferior but nice competition results and scenery too.
Rip the great man, instructor and trainer
I’ll be honest, it’s scary knowing I could of potentially gone to a TRT clinic when I started working from home thinking that I had low T due to depression or bad gym results, but I was very ignorant on programming and diet. Changing those two things have made my life better and given me a clear mindset that makes me happy with myself. Yes, I’m slowly making progress but I am in a better place.
What’s even scarier is people younger than me potentially being manipulated into being dependent on something for the rest of their life. Usually, I would do research on something before I take a big step but know that doesn’t happen when someone is desperate and wanting a way to solve their problem. I really hope things don’t turn for the worst for teens
Hello HN. I'm in my 10 year of training now and I've use PEDs on some of those years, led by marketing and toxic masculinity. Long story short, I was really insecure with my body because of bullying and my family forcing me to be 'a man'. I found the solution in testosterone and other drugs, a beautiful body and now I'm more man than man. I'm not using anything anymore for a long time and I wish I could go back in time so I can tell my young self what life really is. I see people here saying 'yeah you do what you want with your life man' but saying this ignores all that these drugs can do on someone, not physically but psychologically. These drugs feeds on what your mind feels and make you use more. I can talk about it if you/you guys what, just ask. I really wish these things didn't exist at all.
Glad you were able to overcome it man.
@@TheJackOfAllTrades777 he is exactly claiming his responsibility for his actions what are you talking about ?
@@TheJackOfAllTrades777 what else can a person do who has already f up. Should he die now ? We humans make mistakes all the time but rare do we realise. The person is improving and that's important. So you think you should end your life up after a mistake and shouldn't even admit it and tell it's consequences ? He is saying he caught up on these influences as a younger self and is admitting he is wrong so that we don't do it.
@@TheJackOfAllTrades777 hey bro I really am blaming the drugs, the marketing, masculinity and my own family, and it was my decision. But at that age, my logic was flawless but the starting point was as wrong as possible. When you don't have acess to information and find yourself in a situation that is really horrible/sad/whatever your decision making skills aren't the best, more so at 18 years old. I wish drugs didn't exist not because of me, but because I see a lot of people nowadays that are in situations like mine. The external factors activelly prey on pople like my young self. When you perception is skewed you fall on these holes, they are (like nh says in a lot of videos) easy solutions to really complex problems, like my family and the bullying I suffered. I appreciate your response man!
@anysimmers don't talk like that to yourself, speacially your younger self. You should look at your younger self and be the better person. Talk to your younger self and maybe give him a hug and forgive him. He, like myself, found himself in a not ideal situation.
I have never been tempted to use any kind of PED. I just hate the idea of being hostage of a substance for the rest of my life. Even without PEDs one can be stronger and look better than 99% of people around.
Nah, even more than 99%.
And once again, people on this channel are the best community 👏
I also raised my eyebrow watching that video of his, it's very odd
I got mad at him watching that video honestly
@@grottphd9090 That video honestly annoyed me for so many reasons as well, & I found it very irresponsible & felt he was projecting…..
I originally thought the video might have been made with the idea that your character as a person isn’t directly determined by your natty status but then as it continued it became more clear that it was just insulting people who choose not to take PED’s without asking why they wouldn’t do them. The parts where he said natural people must want to take PED’s because they want to know about them is honestly shortsighted and your point about rationalization highlighted that perfectly. In European countries they put images of the side effects of cigarettes on the packaging, why? To act as a deterrent. Informing the public of the risks and health effects of illicit substances directly helps prevent their usage not by fear but by education on the matter. I do think the stigma surrounding PED’s makes it hard to discuss the risks they pose, but it also helps prevent a lot of the general public from abusing them as well. Overall your response was very good and put my feelings into words and confirmed why some of his points rubbed me the wrong way.
Solid vid. I disagree fundamentally on some points. I’ll have a response soon.
NH, I'm not sure if you've heard this before, but have you considered writing a book? It could essentially encapsulate your philosophical and moral/social views in relation to things like lifting, masculinity, the mentality of strength, building of character, etc. It could all be easily framed within the scope of manga, literature, media, and natural bodybuilding. I think it would be a very interesting read, as I genuinely do count you as one who could be considered a modern philosopher on these topics in some regard. I feel as though the world needs more resources such as this moreso than ever at this moment in time. Could certainly broaden your horizons as well and likely be an interesting challenge
I too would be interested in such a book.
@@fdsafsgrgsdg242 Me three. Though I’m not sure if it would go against NH’s desire not to sell things to his viewers. It’s not like he’s selling a $100 program and biasing his content on marketing it.
I think he would need more time to write such a book.
I very much would read that book, but given his stance of never selling us anything I don't think it will ever happen
@@tuukkai1841 I suppose the only way to rectify this would be to make it free, but then what's the point of going to all the trouble when his videos are essentially what the book would be? Very good point
When I first started lifting at about 12 years old, social media and UA-cam was severely influential. People underestimate the power of it. I actually thought at first that I could obtain a physique like Kai Greene with years and years of hard work. I finally came to the conclusion and accepted early on it's probably not gonna happen, but with hard work and patience I could still obtain a respectable physique, and decided to do it for the long haul. I have zero desire to ever go on gear, and naturals who have that commitment should be very proud.
Damn bro. NH isn't the hero we deserve, but apparently he's the hero the fitness community needed right now.
8:00 This is basically what I commented on his video. You will for ever destroy the enjoyment you experienced being a natty the second you hop on the juice. You wont go back.
I went back after I used gear and I had no problem with natty lifting at all. You people don't know the first thing.
@@cattlecumwewlad6941 that might be true for you. But I know I wont enjoy it anymore.
Despite having used peds in the past and having retained a decent measure of my progress I agree with the majority of your points and despite shorter term muscle growth benefits or drug dependent gains, the psychological changes that occur certainly can create a negative spiral and don’t facilitate discipline or good practices to the same extent as training naturally. I am a growing fan of this type of content despite previously looking to non natural lifting content and sources for education and entertainment. Thank you for this.
In my opinion nothing feels more good than breaking a plateau that you are stuck for months by calculating and adjusting form, food,periodization etc. Vs taking a pill everyday and getting quick results.
Haven't watched the video yet, but I can say one thing immediately: steroids are hard drugs and people who take them are drug users, and thus should be treated as such. It's not because the strange people living in Los Angeles have normalised it that it's okay to take them, even for a or whatever (is a few millions worth the sacrifice of your health, even short term?)
How do you think you should treat drug users?
@@mitra7195 If they're willing to be helped, they should receive support as they come off the drug. Otherwise they should be left on their own, unless their habit is destructive to people around them.
@@mitra7195 prison
> even for a or whatever (is a few millions worth the sacrifice of your health, even short term?)
Lost me after "whatever". *NOBODY* gives a damm about their health! I don't care if they sacrifice their soul to Satan for 20$.
The problem is those actors *LIE* to the general public about how they got big, from diet to exercise, it's all *LIES* and since they are big name actors, they *POISON* many normies.
They should be as open about their roids as they are about not being able to fly or shoot lasers or whatever CGI that comes out of their anus. Just admit that it's all *FAKE* but they don't.
As a cocaine user, i agree
I think that one point that is often made in favour of PED is similar to the rhetoric of freedom in choice of recreational drug users. However I think that hard drugs and PED are two different type of drugs. An heroin addict is gonna look unhelathy, skinny and emaciated, a coke or meth addict might sound like a schizophrenic person to a sober eye, a PED user instead, especially to the ye of novices that have just started lifting, is going to look majestic, big, strong, herculean and some people are even unaware of their PED use. The benefits of PED use are visible from the outside, while recreational drugs only have a short lasting mental "benefit", e.g the "high", which from the outside is not even that cool to look at
An important video for Revival aswell, from his arguments i got the sense that he doesn't exclude the possibility of jumping on drugs one point in his bodybuilding journey. It's just simply better for your health not to, it's never worth it.
He in a way mentioned when he wants to hop on too (5 years).
Pretty sure he's already on he literally sells merch that says "Only Sarms"
I commented something about it being good to see another natural lifting channel on his Greg video and he responded “for now”
Lord Voldemort which is ridiculous, your not at your max potential then, even doctor mike who’s on tons of gear says if your gonna do it wait till at least year 10 thats when you know your full potential and if you wanna take the risks on.
I thought I could be an IFBB Pro naturally when I first started lifting...little did I know at the time.
The best person somehow builds their body by doing lumber logging as a second job after their carpentry job.
We can't all be lumberjacks. Although everyone chopping their own firewood is doable.
@@gickygackers a lot of people live in apartments/do not have a fireplace
The best person is someone who doesn't give a damn about what some random says about what makes up the best person on UA-cam
@@MochaZilla so you mean a coal miner or?
@@What-he5pr exactly
RF is most probably not natty anymore. He's sponsored by a trt clinic, defending drug use in the comments... very sus behaviour
Yeah maybe he ran his first cycle or he is thinking about running his first... who knows
All these "influencer" types are so transparent.
He has an "Onlysarms" shirt lmao. Maybe it s just a joke buy who knows
I still think he is but idk.
@@MrStinkels he gave himself away, if in his eye drug use can "give you money and fame" (he literally replied this too me on his video I can verify") then it is only logical too deduce that the dude with a "FITNESS" based youtube channel could only "appear" (key being appear) more legitimate. And that's what all these dudes do
Bro ... I love anime, fitness and we think the same way, just discovered u now
U earned a new follower
John Meadows was a really bad example for RF. He might have had good intentions in some areas but he did not address his drug addiction and left his kids without a father as a result of his own choices.
I like revival, he is a good guy, but I agree with your viewpoint more. Health>aesthetics. Aesthetics are a byproduct of good health. You can chase aesthetics if it’s healthy and you are healthy, that’s fine. But sacrificing health is throwing the only thing you truly own, your own body.
This is why I listen to many you tubers and never just follow one. I never agree with one person 100 percent.
You make a good point about just because your low t doesn’t mean you have to juice. I was hypogonadal when I was morbidly obese. I had 280-320 total ng/dl. One and half year later and I’m sitting at 800+ while still cutting and not sleeping well due to hunger. Just try to stay active all day and lose the fat/recomp.
Yeah ok but some people are at that level after doing everything they can to optimize their health. At that point you re better off doing trt
@@MrStinkels maybe something else is going on that’s out of their control but those seem to be outliers but my problem was fixable
I know it's late but don't base your understanding of your testosterone production simply on your total, particularly when in a low carb diet.
I went from 480 to 940 in a couple of months of relatively low carb diet (much less hungry during summer time) but my free test increased much less. It did increase because I started lifting again etc but a lot less of my total because the SHBG tends to creep up if you don't spike your insulin with some carbs relatively often.
@@lambdacode1503 I stopped dieting and I noticed my total test is much lower but my free test is much higher.
Personally for me, this is one of your best videos. Paucis verbis. Solid logical reasoning behind every notion. Bravo
balls.
I 100% agree here, when I saw that video title I facepalmed. Why someone would remotely be promoting or at least trying to normalize the use of PEDs when it’s already a normalized plague is baffling. I get the intention of the video but that’s what it does ultimately
Absolutely. The biggest problem in the industry is the normalization of drug use. I had to unfollow him, I can't listen to someone who doesn't realize that
@@grottphd9090 that's not the biggest problem in fitness lol, the biggest problem is impatience and lies about the problems of the bodybuilding and powerlifting lifestyle and how much of it is literally not healthy in general.
What about TRT for folks in their 50s? Is drugs okay then? What about trans men who are already on TRT because of their transition? This hard and fast rule is stupid. We need to have a conversation, we can't just be like "drugs bad 100% of the time"
Has doing that hard and fast rule bullshit ever helped or stopped ANYBODY? No. It doesn't fix shit. NH even says this less than 10 minutes into the video, the correct decision is to say "never or forever" because that's the truth. If you're natty, you can never ever do a cycle. If you're enhanced, you're on PED's forever. It's how it is. Saying "you're an inferior person for doing PED's" is just a fucking lie. Are you a healthier person for being natty? Maybe, maybe not, a natty person can be crazy unhealthy if they dirty bulk or stay below 10%BF year round.
@@vanyel_etc8695 The biggest part of the health problems in bodybuilding and powerlifting is the drug use lol. As for the lies you're referring to, I can only assume you mean the lies of "fake natties" which are egregious in promoting body dysmorphia and spreading mistrust of real natties. What almost seems worse however is those influencers who openly take steroids, invariably causing steroid normalization among their followers, many of whom are often young kids blinded by respect for their idols. Anywhere on gym tik tok you can find young kids asking questions like "Is it okay to do a cycle of tren if I'm 14?" We have rotted these children's brains and crushed their perception of their own natural potential by convincing them that all the bodybuilders and powerlifters and everyone else they look up to is on steroids. This has been done through natty or nots and steroid honesty. And all this considered we realize that lying is not the issue, it's the drugs.
Trt is used 90% of the time as a PED. It's not very useful to talk about the instances where it is actually applied therapeutically as this is the exception. Whenever test levels can be raised naturally (which is almost all the time), this is always the superior option. People have been convinced trt is just a magical way to become an alpha male and many are completely unaware of the net negatives and the risks involved. If trans men want to take a steroid I don't see why they should be treated any differently than anyone else. Drugs is drugs. You're coming at it from a perspective of being fair to everyone's perspective, I'm coming at it from the perspective of minimizing drug abuse. We've been having a lot more open and non-judgemental conversations about drug use in recent years and drug use has increased. Stigmatizing drug use is the only way to minimize its use.
I suppose saying "naturals are better than roiders" is indirectly saying "people who do PEDs are inferior" however they are not one and the same. Are people who don't drink "better" than habitual drunks? Yeah. Refraining from vice is a virtue. There are many steroid users I respect because I'm able to recognize this is only one part of who they are. But I cannot respect someone who does not recognize that recreational use of hard drugs is wrong. These drugs are not wrong just because they cause unhealth of the body, although this is significant enough. Poisoning your body causes unhealth of the mind and even spirit, if you believe in that sort of thing. It's an addiction, and I do believe it causes significant degradation on every level.
@@vanyel_etc8695 I will answer some of your burning questions.....
> "
What about TRT for folks in their 50s? Is drugs okay then" ------------> *NO! IT'S TRASH!*
> "What about trans men who are already on TRT because of their transition?" ------------> *NO! IT'S GARBAGE*
We don't need to have any conversation on this, other then how it's all *EXCUSES* and in many cases *AFRER THE FACT JUSTIFICATIONS* for shoving the needle in and *INJECTING DRUGS!*
Doesn't matter how old you are or how much you want to beat up women. You are still a drug addicted loser *LOL*
@@vanyel_etc8695 > that's not the biggest problem in fitness lol, the biggest problem is impatience and lies about the problems of the bodybuilding and powerlifting lifestyle and how much of it is literally not healthy in general.
Someone *REALLY* doesn't want to talk about the biggest issue and *DESPRERATLY* wants to deflect to something else.
I never liked that guy. I've argued with him multiple times in the comments. He always makes nonsensical points.
He gives off a really bad energy.
Even when his points are good (most of the time actually) he comes off as motivated by resentment then by a need to inform/help.
@@bladestrike8045 I have noticed that too, it feels like he is one of those dudes who correlate pessimism with realism and think being an asshole makes him look cool.
@@bladestrike8045 literally the exact reason why I follow Geoffrey, and NH and have not been a big fan of RF. Both have opinions but never seem to come from a place specifically of Malice or hate, or even resentment.
Now these are gains and brains!
My only gripe with PED users as fitness influencers is passing as a natural (trying to profit from newbies) and not making painful clear the future side effects of cycling PEDs.
I've argued the opposite but pretty much everyone agrees with you lol
I thought it was interesting how he gave Greg shit for making money selling cookbooks and turkesterone but then took a sponsorship that encourages young men they need to check their testosterone levels. The same thing greg just just did a sponsored video on
I'm gonna be honest he(revival) literally reminds me of Greg when he(greg) had less subs (like under 100k)
@@lordvoldemort917
1st step: calling out the BS of big youtubers -> gaining fame
2nd step: becoming the big youtuber who spews BS
Tbh i like revival's overall content despite this video and it would be sad if he'd took this route
@@spbspb2413 he is on that path already, sadly. He is also rather arrogant like Greg.
Hell, there is a massive satisfaction in staying natural, knowing any tiny strength or size gains i get i damn well earned, never having to wonder if it's just the drugs, plus live longer, but mainly the pleasure aspect i get in knowing it's all me!!
Besides, i do believe being natural pushes us to learn more about programming, if it's as simple as upping the dose you would stagnate in your knowledge, it will just come down to cycle designs in terms of drugs instead of actually programming, and i really enjoy learning and experimenting, it would be hard to tell if a program is working if ur just blasting, because there's more variables at play, besides hard to explain but i just think natural physiques look nicer, they don't like so alien to me, stay natty bros!
Blessed video. The fact that so many men feel the need to become roided up is a reflection of the downfall of society
on the point at roughly 27:00 minutes in, I think its important to highlight when you talk about young lifters, a lot of us might think about young adults, 18-24 or so, but there are kids literally hopping on steroids at 11-17 years old. Just fucking wrecking their health for life without any idea what they're doing.
NH..... I would have jumped on PEDs last year if not for you! Thank you for helping me become strong enough to stay natural
I was like 129 pounds two years ago but because of staying consistent with my training i am now 162lbs
Good job man
@@dustencross357 That's some good progress my man. Keep it up 💪💪
Bro it's never too late to jump on. It's your call man don't let him or me decide for you.
@@outerspacing9207 i already made my choice..... I like living and want to see my kid grow old
7:40 is like saying one cigarette won't kill u, there is no such a thing as 1 cigarette 😂. this is how many people start smoking
One of the most based videos in youtube fitness. Every gym bro should watch this.
RF saying guys who don’t use PEDs just because they’re scared of needles and don’t know where to get them is projection in the highest order.
I also find it peculiar how he will talk about Greg promoting body dysmorphia with body fat levels, yet he does the exact same thing (only in the opposite end) where he routinely mocks novices who can’t hit certain numbers, saying things like “Lol he can’t even bench 185, what a twig. Probably eats like a bird.”
another thing i would like to add on the ill effects of drugs is how it fucks up your mind and blinds you to some severe red flags, this is something i have seen time and time again on mpmd channel where he commends people like dorian yates who actually got off using as much and downsized, this implying that most people doing such peds even if they're getting their bloodwork and whatever else to see their health status just ignore most problematic stuff because of them feeling compelled to do so by their own severe body dysmorphia
it can also be said that is peds didn't exist many good people like John wouldn't have had to jump on drugs however conservative a dose because everyone would've been natural, and close to 100% of the deaths in bodybuilding wouldn't have happened
POV: You just spent 20 min watching RF video, and then 1 Hour watching NH Response to it
Longer the NH video, better it is
A dead person who left his wife and children alone to mourn him. Taking drugs is like commiting suicide. I respected John but I would argue that if you don't take PEDs you ARE a better person
Revival fitness has a good physique and good knowledge about working out, programming, etc but his opinions on things outside of that are a little bit immature and childish in my opinion.
I agree, the way he talks about women especially rubs me the wrong way.
@@miguellorenzosingian1562 yes he has watched way too many of those zyzz memes, red pill blue pill memes and sigma male memes
@@PranjayVarshney watch his alphadestiny/nippard video its pathetic
@@PranjayVarshney He also said that shrugs and rackpulls are bad for traps and his alternative was a horizontal lat pull down
@@TheUcHiHaMaD manlet cope
The battle for Bloho is over, the battle for Revival Fitness is about to begin...
Commenting twice cause the vid is so nice. The basic "I just want people to be honest" viewpoint triggers me. Thank you for explaining why
Great video! Stigma is a valuable social technology for discouraging behaviors that are harmful, but the concept has itself become stigmatized. Drug use should be stigmatized! Keep taking strong stands, no need to simp for the PED user's feelings.
Great point about the video being sponsored by trt pushers as well. Definitely a conflict of interest. I wouldn't be surprised if he hops on a cycle soon, or already has.
Dude's soo honest, i love it.
Edited NH video with jumpcuts and transitions
"Hold on, let me check the time"
@@THESYNTHBARD "let me take a quick break for a moment"
@@THESYNTHBARD THAT WAS A LIE
*Jumpcuck
Maybe he is thinking about running his first cycle and his video is just a "cope"
He has said he’s going to do a natural bodybuilding competition soon. So I believe his ultimate goal may indeed be that.
@@joebloggs6922 A lot of people who compete in "natural" comps also take plenty of shit, so he might be thinking about getting on.
NH, I appreciate you addressing the shift for a lot of people toward moral relativism and away from a set of morals based on logic and practicality.
If your argument is based on morals your essential a female brained man because your arguments are based on emotional takes not logical ones
@@Wavyso Babba Booey
@@Wavyso is St Thomas Aquinas a woman?
The problem is that we don't have objective moral standards. They evolved with humans in order for us to organise ourselves in society. Therefore, it is always up for debate (slavery is a fine example). How do you think we can solve this problem?
I love being natty. No need to check your health blood test liver and so on. But its hard to gain strength as you progress 🔥🔥💪💪
I think that there is a separation between moral superiority and the factual effects of drug abuse. If naturals want to feel good and unite together that is all good. And having pride as a natural is not wrong, I think the key is keeping that limited as much to the fitness aspect.
There are steroid users who influence others in extremely negative ways and their morality can be judge accordingly. However, the concept of looking down on the group of steroid users as a whole is a little too sweeping for me.
We can also bring up that not everyone responds well to society placing sweeping rules on what is right and wrong. That’s why I tend to feel shaming and feeling superior doesn’t completely solve the issue, but it is ok for naturals to feel that way. And in many ways natural training is superior from most perspectives. It’s unquestionably healthier.
Naturals will live a longer, healthier life. Keep doing a good job of highlighting this and not letting people think drug abuse is healthy. The key is education, not sweeping condemnation imo. It is a personal choice (unless you’re an influencer or are effecting others to take drugs), but a personal choice does not mean it’s the right choice…or the most healthy one. I truly believe people can do what they want if they aren’t hurting others, and I get a lot of people do end up negatively effecting others. Just think it’s a lil more nuisanced. Thanks for the vid
Problem is that you dont need to be an youtuber with a million viewers to influence others to hop on roids, so it's hard to draw this line
I've seen you around various comment sections and just got around to watching the video you did with AlphaDestiny and I just wanted to say I'm massively impressed with your maturity and intelligence, so subed and am looking forward to watching more of your stuff, keep at it brother!
Can we appreciate the fact that he just took revival fitness apart
Great video bro. I actually thought about trying PEDs after a few years but honestly no longer desire to do so.
Perhaps Revival Fitness made the video because he considers taking PEDs at some point. So the video can work as insurance for the future, in case of criticism.
He has severe body dismorphia just like Greg Doucette. He wants to look like Chris Bumstead too. He gets annoyed and pissed off at "manlets" like Alpha Destiny, Jeff Nippard, etc for lifting more than him, complaining about leverages, distance bar has to move, etc. Then makes videos about this projecting his own insecurities and body dismorphia on his viewers.
I wouldn't be surprised if he hopped on to the Dark Side.
He will become.....Degradation Fitness.
@@lordvoldemort917 He wants to look like chris bumstead?
lol when anyone says that you know they have body dysmorphia out of their mind
I dont know about you guys, but environment definitely play a huge role on someone's decision to hop on gears. But in my place the physical standards is so low for attractiveness even if you dont lift and just not being fat is the bare minimum, so just basic lifting body already made you above average and bring satisfaction, not even a slight thought of using gear (at least me)
I noticed it few months back he is probably trying to get on gear, when he tried to justify using TRT for bodybuilding purposes by comparing it to other medical conditions that require harmonal therapies
Yeah,he is probably tired of how low the gain to pain ratio is in natty lifters. Unfortunately,I hope he will not start using it. Also the minute you start thinking about taking stuff you will begin slacking off on training
The dude didn't even trained for 4 hard year and is deciding to hope on gear and then calls himself the saviour of fitness world. Pathetic. It's actually a simple recipe to gain subscribers nowadays, hate on Greg and you will get views and everything. I am not saying greg is saint or any thing but just hating on someone shouldn't be the only point for views on a channel.
I think he does TRT and these latest videos are a way for him to build up to admitting it after being natural for a while.
This is an important message, bad things ought to be stigmatized and shamed. I think more people need to spread awareness of how terrible these drugs are for health. If not we have a world in which everyone is uneducated about the products they consume. Imagine a world where people who criticize things are ignored, not only will society and culture collapse but freedom won't exist. Freedom is the availability of choice, if bad reviews did not exist and all that existed were people co-opting, then naturally using that product is the only choice. I feel bad for woefully ignorant ped users.
44:55 or he might just want to remain in good term with potential UA-cam collaborations with whom most are enhanced .He tries to avoid hurting their feeling. Thanks God there is someone like you .. giving no flying fuck lool
PD users are just like cheaters in a video game, take their cheats away and they are simply bad players, with no clue what they are doing.
I KNEW IT WAS COMING
This was a great video. I'm so glad I'm not the only one that noticed that RF is a massive hypocrite in a lot of his talking points
Very good video bro typical fallacious thinking and what looks like a preemptive stance for the guy before he actually starts PEDs. Common tactic amongst retroactive fake natties before they come out. There is no argument for peds legit sports ban them (even if some athlete cheat) and lifting sports should follow suit (bodybuilding, powerlifting, strongman etc )
Congrats on 30k
Parasocial
@@ElloYuchub lol. your username makes the comment even funnier.
@@disrespectthemwomensubjuga5471 yes irony at its peak..
I was about to jump and do my very first video because he got me so good but there is absolutely nothing I could add to that. No one can escape the French Fitness Police.
Can you talk on loneliness and not having friends or moving on from toxic friends just curious to hear your thoughts
NH again using only plain reason and common sense to examine things as they present themselves in reality. Simply following the ideas out to their inherent logical conclusions as a way to expose it for what it is at root. Digging under the surface of philosophies to discover the motives and actions they inspire. All the while addressing the person, yet avoiding ad hominem. Excellent!
"Drug use is Drug use". one of the plainest statements. There is nothing mysterious about it. It is irrefutable that actions have corresponding consequences.
This guy makes me proud to be a natural 💪🏽...and an independent thinker💭. Two seemingly lost arts today.
The only utility i see for PEDs is to heal from fractures and significant muscle wasting. After recovering from that, going back to natty.
I suspect NH's reason to wage jihad against PEDs is not only a question of ethics and public safety, I think it might be a personal issue as well. He hasn't explicitly said this, but I think he has a case of prostate cancer in his family and that's why he has such an aggressive stance. I may be wrong, but I just have this hunch. For the people who don't know, TRT greatly accelerates prostate cancer and triggers it in people who may be prone to having it, but otherwise might not get it early, like in their 40s-50s, more like in their 70s.
He has mentioned some Family Line Disease ig Heart like...thats why PEDs is a NO NO
Will watch this, but what made me stop watching Revival Fitness is him having that video sponsored by a male hormone testing company.
IMO, sponsors like that are just scare tactics into making men think they have a poor hormonal profile because they're not the top 0.0001% genetic elite. Basically if you don't have a barbarian's level of testosterone, you only have estrogen. When in reality, most men have an average hormonal profile, and hormone levels can be improved by training, general physical activity, good diet, etc - you don't have low testosterone just because you're not able to put on 100lbs of muscle after 1 month of lifting.
Don't like Vitruvian Physique for the exact same reason. (same sponsor too) and obsession with Genetics and Testosterone and anything new and shiny like Turkestorone.
Rich Piana the most natural lifter
Revival fitness content is straight fire as is yours and he can usually do no wrong. However I did think the video was a bit strange and a precursor to his own use. Still love the content from both guys tho so no hate what so ever on his part 👌🏻🔥
Lmao fucking destroyed him
I do think actors have the time to get to a good physique naturally, i believe Henry Cavill is a natty and if he wasn't his physique is acheivable natty for sure with decent training.
Didn't Cavill recently come out as not natty without actually saying it ? There was a 60hr mpmd video on that of which I watched a few minutes so I could be wrong.
@@krishnagodale3200 Not really. It was a video telling viewers about useful supplements he takes (basically a disguised advertisement). Just like creatine and stuff like that. He’s one of the few dudes I don’t have a problem believing is natural
@@joebloggs6922 Seems like I made a false inference by watching only a part of the video then. Good to know since I too believe Cavill to be one of the more respectable and honest guys in Hollywood.
@@krishnagodale3200 even if he was on the juice a physique like his is totally acheivable with a decent understanding of training, he isn't even very lean, i think his body resembles Clint Walker but with better insertions.
What if they had roles that required them not to have a muscular body then they obtain a roll for a movie requiring muscle mass. You gonna ask the director to put the movie on hold for 5-8 years so you can get the natty dream physique for it? Nah, not how it works.
Not a comment, not even a one hour video can thoroughly explain why being natural is superior..you just know it is.
It's weird how this guy managed to call out clown greg yet to lose all the respect he gained shortly after.
Even his subscribers don't know any better (kids) seeing how they agreed with him.
You've earned yourself a sub. Can't wait to binge your videos.
Use the playlists!
Didn’t watch his whole response video to this one but from the first half I did watch it boiled down to “I am not my brothers keeper” and his video only makes sense if you think you owe nothing at all to the people around you.
natural lifters will lose gains if they stop lifting that is a fact
not nearly as fast as PD users.
Lifters*
And even then if you're natural you lose less because your training was better
Not every lifter started to lift out of insecurity. I started to lift as part of my post ACL reconstruction surgery recovery so, not because I didn’t like the body I had.
It's rarer for people to start lifting for those reasons. Another example would be someone that needs gym training as a part of a sport. What kept you lifting after rehab?
You’re absolutely correct. RF has been getting on my nerves lately with his shit takes
Part about actors taking drugs is interesting.
With drugs you can go from muscular to skinny and anywhere in between to play different characters with various body types.
Though CGI could deal with that. Whats more important, cost of production or the health of the actor?
50 min of NH being the bastion of 'good' values and protectin our youth xD
and we can be proud about our gains ! because we know what we need to do for that !!! so why not beeing proud about that ? we did it with hard work, consistency and lots of effort.
Great discussion
32:13 Personally I dont agree with this. Dont think we should be shaming people because they have taken PEDs. You can shame PEDs themselves all you want, but shaming an individual for making a decision that isn't harming anyone else (in a significant capacity) seems unneccesary. Just like being obese we need to educate people on the serious side effects of PED usage. But I am not going to shame someone for being obese
48:13 We dont need a moral highground. I dont want a moral highground. Our highground is that PEDs have negative health consequences. There is no need to bring morality into it
Facts
Just to add that his point of shaming is for the wishy washy people that dont know if they should jump on PEDs or not. Which doesnt really apply to obesity, since it takes time to be obese. Either you do one cycle and stop for one reason or another, or become a full on PED user.
So the purpose wouldnt be to shame PEDs users because we want to feel better about ourselves, is to shame the idea of destroying your body from the inside out "just to look good" (outside of competitions and such). But thats my interpretation
@@Rikarwb He says "shame PED users". Different than "shame the idea of destroying your body" you mentioned, which I agree we should of course do. That also means youre not targeting individuals which is what I mainly have issues with
I agree obesity doesn't happen overnight like PED usage, and you can't just stop obesity overnight either. I was just using it as an example. He seems to justify shaming PED users because they hurt themselves and normalise PED usage for other people. I used obesity as an example because you could argue they too hurt themselves and normalise obesity for other people
@@robertmosley1188 well, shaming an idea without shaming people is a bit illogical, or even dare i say hypocritical, specially if they chose to do it.
Now i understand your point, you dont want to shame the entity of the people, that its fundementally different from PEDs. The problem is that, they choose to do that. So its not about shaming the whole person, just the processes behind making such a decision: lack of logic, social pressure, being naive, etc. And to be honest, i dont know if i like the word "shame" in this context, i prefer "logically criticizing", shaming sounds like i woke up grumpy and im telling kids to get out of my lawn
@@Rikarwb I dont think that shaming an idea but not shaming an individual is illogical. I'd shame gambling, but not someone playing the lottery. I'd shame Nestle, but not a low level employee of Nestle. Would I shame the CEO? Sure. But would I shame a shareholder? Maybe?
For me it comes down to how much of a negative impact that person is having on others. The lines drawn will be different for everyone, it's a grey area. But for me, personally, someone using PEDs is not harming other people enough to warrant shaming.
And yes, I agree, maybe "shame" is not the best word, but it is what NH repeatedly used in his video.
Excellent video. I disagree with one point you made at around 26:00 though. Society's rules are not really formed by people striving for health, imo. Drugs are stigmatized, unless you're talking about alcohol, which is a pretty hard drug that directly accounts for half of all hospital visits (old statistic, could have changed, but you get the point). It also chooses to stigmatize things that are not harmful, for example breastfeeding in public (many other examples). It makes sense that drug use is stigmatized, but imo it doesn't make society's rules more logical
Alcohol is accepted because it has been proven to be beneficial but being a lazy drunkard is not