Europe's Strongest Man 2017 (Eddie v Thor)
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
- FULL SHOW: GIANTS go to WAR: Eddie “The Beast” HALL. vs. (arch-rival) Hafthor BJORNSSON.
Both Strongmen were reaching their peak going into the competition but who would come out on top?
It was 6 weeks out from The World’s Strongest Man 2017 competition - "The Battle of Botswana” and it didn’t disappoint.
It would go down as one of the most famous nights in STRONGMAN history.
Athletes:
Eddie Hall - 2017 World’s Strongest Man
Hathor Bjornsson - 2018 World’s Strongest Man
Laurence Shahlaei - 2016 Europe’s Strongest Man
Luke Stoltman - 2021 Europe’s Strongest Man
Mark Felix - 15x WSM competitor and 51 years of age in 2017!
Adam Bishop - 2020 Britain’s Strongest Man
Terry Hollands - 15x WSM Competitor
Konstantine Janashia - 6x WSM competitor
Dainis Zageris - Latvia
Matjaz Belsak - Slovenia
Raffael Gordzielik - Germany
Events:
Bus Pull - 8 tonnes pulled 20 metres
Max Axle Press - World Record by EDDIE HALL!
Flip & Drag - 450kg tyre flip/992lbs/chain & anchor drag
Deadlift for reps - 362.5KG/900lbs/60 seconds
Car Walk - 454kg/1000lbs
Atlas Stones - 140kg/309lbs to 200kg/441lbs
Filmed at the Leeds Direct Arena.
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Was this the Greatest one day event in Strongman history?
ESM 2016, 500kg deadlift and the dethroning of the mountain by the warrior
I think this was the better show tbh. Thor lost to himself in 2016 with his mistake on the car walk, if he'd even made mid table he'd have won that year whereas this one was a close battle right until the end. Both great shows and Loz was a tank in 2016 but this was a great showing from both Thor and Eddie.
Outstanding and amazing show it's like wow
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So nice to see Eddie and Thor hug and celebrate together.... before it all went sour.
They did again after the fight seemed like both earned each some respect
Yes because Thor won. Had he lost prob not.
@@andyvaldez212 Thor is a cheater and a liar.
Never get tired of watching Eddie's 216 - one of the most emphatic WR lifts ever, surely
Thor dragged that anchor like he was running without weight, insane speed.
Thanks so much! Having only gotten into Strongman since a year or so, seeing these full shows are amazing!
Glad you like them!
Honestly this is crap if you really want get into Strongman look up classics with Geoff Capes or Bill Kazmeier or Pudzianowski, Savickas, Shaw not this rubbish pantomime crap. I'm all for bringing the sport forward but do it the right way
Ignore this dude. Strongman is awesome.
@@user-my2se7sn3s what you dont like about it?
I didn't realise at the time how special this year was
10:49 Imagine you order a gimp and you get an Eddie Hall😁
Eddie Hall's WR lift blows me away every time whew.
Yeah, 220 or even more was in the tank for sure.
Crazy to see how many failed or stayed at just the 160 axle when only 5 years later, the u80s are almost there. Crazy evolution.
I love this channel, and also that they upload almost too much!
Yes indeed
42:31 Magnus Samuelsson
I'd love to see some of the older Strongmen do a Legends meet!
yes!
As an official strongman subscriber I'd love it if you uploaded ESM 2018 or 2019. Can't find much anywhere only bts
Love the uploads. Thanks guys!
Yes indeed
This is one of the most balanced Strongest man in my opinion, good balance of static strength and movement.
Great strong man video thanks for the motivation
Magnus Samuelsson at 42:30 in the front row?
I don't know how I missed him! 😁
That was something else !
Today I haven't the hype I use to have when Eddy and Thor competes with Brian Shaw at a good level.
used* I don't know why you're saying "use to" makes no sense.
@@Vertical-sandwiches English isn't my main language
Please upload 2005 to 2013 Europe's strongest man
Magnus Samuelsson in the crowd behind Loz and Colin at 42:00
when u lose europe's strongest man but win world strongest man LOL
Lol seems a little sus
It's based on events
Too sus
It’s called improvement
It was cool to see Hall and Thor the way they talk to each other such respect, and then now days and the hatred.
This is most badass thumbnail .
Such a shame Eddy and Hafthor fell out, if the trained together they could have been even more dominant!
"Dont EVER put a limit on what I can do. i will prove you wrong..." Hey beast the load race is up next.....😳😳😳😳 BUGGER OFF You mean I gotta do strongman today??
-worlds strongest man
@@nathanlomeli8316 lol. Never won anything but 1 worlds and Britains. Ed was an Ox and strong AF BUT that worlds events were stacked for him like no other. Why? Doesn't matter why. Colin Bryce or not, he showed he sucked as a strongman, because he had to have a overly static stacked event list to win. 5th in the tire flip and 3rd in a truck pull were the best he could muster in moving events. Just be honest. Hes strong. & He won a stacked show!!
@@mikefitzsimons Exactly, but casuals and his fanboys will never admit it
@@mikefitzsimons And what have you done with your life in comparison?
What have you achieved ?
Eddy is a role model the determination of this man is really something to look up to!
untill it comes to character
actually... untill it comes to anything besides lifting weights
Think more about it tho, he is not a role model at all lol
@@Kimera92 very true
If it comes to driving weights, yes, he's a role model when it comes to the sheer will to push static weights. But everything else, I don't see him as a role model.
@@names-mars all you're negative dudes together!!! Well make a comperisen then what did you menage to do with you're lives that equals Eddy's life?
@@kevingoeminne5922 He's not a God. He's just a famous dude. I respect him for his achievements. But that doesn't put him above me by any means. I've done more for the world in the form of technological innovation than he's done in Strongmen. But I'm not gonna say he's less than me... Can you wrap your head around that?
He's entertaining and inspiring. Same with Thor. Just so happens, Eddie has some bully tendencies. That's all there is to it. If you can't wrap your head around this simple truth, I'm not sure what you've been doing your whole life...
Mark Felix still competing amongst the strongest men WITH 51 is just mind boggling, wow you rarely see someone over 40 in that sport, 51 is just beyond crazy, big props to Mark
Thor being the only man to finish the bus pull was crazy! But then Eddie's record on the axel was even better. I was also thinking, it's crazy how much has Luke Stoltman aged for the last 6 years since then...
dont ever ever pust a limit on me il prove you wrong everytime... ok how about 250kg for a limit in overhead press
"Ok, how about jumping off the top of the double decker bus you pulled earlier Eddie"
Eddie looks a lot healthier today with less weight.
Eddie looked like a real life juggernaut in that thumbnail
Greatest event for my generation
This competition is just between two strongest
This is What happens when Eddie is fully hydrated
2017 Eddie is by far the strongest man to walk this earth. First to deadlift 500kgs, does all his shoulder presses strict and makes it look easy.
@bronchoped1 2017 Eddie and multiple other contestants said that if pushed he would of gone past 500 in the deadlift and got 472.5 with ease after all the other events while Thor couldnt get it off the ground.
@bronchoped1 no he got it up easy but that 4 5 seconds he held it and even shrugged it is what messed him up. Also different enviroments and setups. Both extremely impressive though.
"by far"??? Is this the first strongman video you have to watched?? I'm presuming it is, therefore you really shouldn't comment definitively on a subject you don't know.
While hall is a British hero, he is nowhere near strongest, there is obviously brian shaw, the big Z, Maurice pudzy not to mention bill kazmier if we are talking all time. I mean, even in this video we can see Thor is the better athlete, having won alot more titles to cement this.
Nah fam, his the strongest static weight athlete... but 2019 Thor is on a whole other level, and then when he lifted 501, he beat Eddie in terms of static strength too. Sorry.
@bronchoped1 when he lift 501 in 2020 😂😂
4 year later what was Eddie saying he would’ve add 10 kg extra if he knew some bullshit will lift 501 after 4 years later
That was an incredible Event.. i wish i was there:)
The extra thick layer of machismo Hall tries to put it on is both cringey and unnecessary.
Outstanding job 2 thumb's up
46:28 my favorite part is where they rip their shirts
crazy how respectful eddie was towards thor back then lol
because thor didn't become a crybaby at the time.
Thor became a crybaby after losing to Eddie in WSM.
@@hunterrobin9929 thats why he had to do his big lift at home with friends and not licensed officials
@@paydn202 it was with licensed officials...
@@FrenkieWest32 was it!?!?!??!!
Is that Neil Pickup?
Mark felix is really impressive for is age !!!
It's nice to see how it was before Eddie and Thor fell out. The current drama is really annoying lol
I agree. They are acting like teenage boys.
100% agree.
Eddie could've gotten 220 if there wasn't any more events to go 100%
Brawo ed,,still good form,,,
In Iceland there is no buses)
The good ol days, when it was about showing what the human body is capable of, and supporting each other to that end. The hatred nowadays... In my opinion, it was the pandemic, just we all lost with that end of the stick. It's just a shame.
Their Axle Presses are more than my deadlift (185kg)……..lol I suck.
Hey it's the Eddie Hall show!!...................As usual.
I'm like Loz. I've broken & tore everything. It's very annoying. Had a bike accident & got a fractured skull & fractured right forearm which has never regained it's previous size & strength & is still sore. Frequently pulling both funny bones. Pulled my left achilles tendon a few times. pulled both calf muscles a few times. Pulled my left pec recently. I've pulled my right lat. I've broke my right foot. Probably a few more I've forgotten about. You don't care when you're under 30, but when you're 40 or 50 you take longer to heal.
Bro do you jump from buildings for fun or do you have just weak tendons?
@@peterprall3878 Did it for fun when I was in my teens. Mostly from 35 years of lifting Weights. I fell over a Dog once & cracked the ribs on my left side. 30 years of walking Dogs will pull a few tendons in your arm. The fractured skull wasn't my fault, lol.
Good stuff . 👍
Still a good job
Took his 500K DL while laughing (Eddie had to be rushed to hospital for his) then destroyed him in ring... OWNED!!!!
You’re making fun of someone for going to the hospital after lifting 1/2 a ton?
Crazy how they still hated on thor back then even after he was the only person to finish the bus pull, "30 more cm and he wouldn't have made it!"
I like the AEC Regent bus.
Why we don't see belsak anymore?
This was an incredible year, Thor won Europes and Eddie won Worlds proving they were two of the best strongmen ever
@Jared Stewart Brian definitely is one of the greatest, in contention to be the greatest, I’m saying Thor and Eddie are up there as well
I mean that doesn't really prove anything. Mariusz, Zydrunas, and Brian Shaw are the best to ever do it. Halfthor and Eddie are just more marketable and creates fanboys
@@Benaddicted11trkfbal You make assertions without ever comparing the actual abilities of the athletes. Mariusz wasn't that good/strong, all strongman fans know this. Thor was the most strong and complete strongman. even Colin Bryce echoes this despite their disputes. He is literally superior to Brian Shaw in every single way.
@@meginna8354 "you make assertions without ever comparing the actual abilities of the athletes" where are your comparisons? you just said that Mariusz "wasn't that good/strong" he has the record with 5 times worlds strongest man, he competed against big z in his prime, Brian shaw competing against him as well in his prime. You gotta be smarter than that, I make no other assertion other than that Brian shaw, big z, and Mariusz, have all won world strongest man 4 or more times. Eddie hall and Thor have one it once. the results and production speak for themselves.
@@Benaddicted11trkfbal That's what i'm talking about, you just look on Wikipedia and count trophies, we've all been there. Mariusz was in a very weak era during the IFSA split. He competed against a young Zydrunas who was nowhere near his prime (his prime was in 2014-2016), in 2009 when IFSA was no more Zydrunas beat him easily and he left.
If you're counting trophies then consider that Mariusz was never even able to get better than 4th place at the Arnold, it was a heavy show.
Also consider Thor had the most dominant year any strongman has ever had in the sport.
Every win is circumstantial. Magnus Ver has a way better record at WSM than Brian Shaw, yet Brian's still stronger.
Compare the abilities. Thor in his short prime is the highest calibre of strongman there has ever been. For the longest time he was only faster and more explosive than Brian but in 2017-2018 he surpassed Brian in static strength and was better than Brian everywhere. He's faster, more explosive, stronger everywhere. Where exactly is Brian better after Thor surpassed him in static strength?
Why don’t they wear shoes during the dead lift?
Because shoes would increase their distance from the ground & bar, meaning that's an extra half inch (or however thick the soles are) that they would have to life the bar.
Eddie could've done 220. If he practiced technique to use his monstrous legs he might've done 250. The man does not know limits
He’d still have the record aswell if he did that.
@@adamcarson3871 i think if he had had a longer career he could still be holding several records
@@therambunctiousrobloxian9323 yeah, I’m not sure how much more progression he had in some areas. But definitely had some improvements he could’ve made in some areas to keep pushin the limits
How did they fall out after this sportsmanship???
Thor was a sore loser when he was penalized for double dipping by the judge. He was happy with his performance until Eddie won.
Thor thought Magnus (the judge) cheated him on a pressing event where a couple reps weren't counted. If those reps counted, Thor would have theoretically beat Hall on the event which would have led to more overall points which would have won him WSM. So Thor was pissed at Magnus as he thought Magnus cheated him out of the title.
Eddy points out (to which I concur) that Eddy could still have performed another rep or two even if Magnus counted all of Thor's reps, so at the end of the day, it likely didn't matter that the reps weren't counted. Eddy lifted after Thor and stopped once he won the event, while still having some gas in the tank.
So when Eddy won, Thor shook his hand, but because Thor was still under the impression that Magnus cheated him, Thor wasn't super excited and all giddy for Eddy, and Eddy got pissed that Thor wasn't more happy for him, and Eddy has hated Thor for that ever since.
Best I can tell, the hatred only goes one way. Thor wasn't mad at Eddy that day, and he honestly just seems confused when people talk about how much big of a problem there is between him and Eddy.
Feels like Eddy looked up to Thor as a big brother/hero and was looking for validation & pride from Thor when he won. And when he didn't get it, it completely soured his feelings and relationship with Thor. Best guess I can figure.
@@susanmetz9892Eddie was a jerk lil bro 😂😂😂
King Shahlaei! 😀
Weird to think Eddie went through a stage of thinking it was edgy and cool to wear a BDSM mask
Eddie will never wear a moronic mask with a collar on again? Thank God.
Yes, I thought that was cheesy also.
last ever nice words spoken between Eddie and hafthor
If only Thor had taken his defeat at 2017 WSM in good grace, none of the other stuff would've followed.
@@MissBlennerhassett876 True. And if Eddy could have shown Thor some grace after Thor thought Magnus cheated him, none of the other stuff would have followed. Thor was in a bad head space in the moment, and Eddy took it personally when it was never about Eddy. IMO, they both share blame for the damaged relationship.
@@RageDaug He accused him of cheating. How was he supposed to take it, other than personally? Don't be silly.
@@MissBlennerhassett876What are you talking about? Thor didn't accuse Eddy of cheating. Thor accused Magnus of cheating him out of two lifts. Thor thought all his reps on one particular press event counted, whereas Magnus said two of the lifts did not count. Thor never said blamed Eddy for that. Thor shook Eddy's hand on the podium and congratulated Eddy.
Because Thor was saying he got cheated, somehow Eddy and his fans translated that into Thor saying Eddy cheated, but that's not how any of it went. But now, 7 years later, Eddy and all his fans still hate Thor for something Thor didn't do...and they call Thor petty for his actions that day in the heat of the moment.
What's Eddy's excuse for 7 years of acting petty over Thor being petty for one day, 7 years ago?
@@RageDaug WTF are you talking about? Firstly his name's EDDIE. Second, Thor falsely claimed COLIN BRYCE handed victory to Eddie Hall, not Magnus, thus besmirching Eddie's title. Thor went all over social media at the time claiming he was robbed. You don't know what you're talking about 🤣
"Leeds, England".... We are not American, it is not necessary to say the country as well as the name of the town.
Imagine how memorable this show would of been with Brian shaw
6:49 Wimping out here.
38:00 “TERRY HOOAAAAA”
There should be more comments about Mark Felix, that MAN is 51 year old jesus
I was impressed.
Please tell me how stopping before the line is finished?? I thought it had to go over the line
For the bus pull, the bumper has to go across the line, which it did for Thor as you can see at 8:17. If you are talking about the anchor, the crossbar needs to cross the thin white line between the two white cones.
Sorry im not into big men
Pfffttt!! I could only do 1 rep deadlift @ 462lbs - 210 kgs. My final set after my back routine and numerous sets of deadlift!! Then going to 1rep deadlift to shock the muscle..., wanted to do more reps at 462 pounds, but it is only for really strong people!! I was 226lbs @ 5ft 7'.
Eddie Hall deadlifted 500kg - 1100lbs 😳
These guys are awesome athletes!!
Sometimes we forget how much weight 500kg actually is - it’s insane!
I can eat 462 M&M’s 😊
Skål!
Skål means 'bowl' outside of a drinking context, not cheers. That's also not the Icelandic word.
@@EVO6- Maybe he is not from Iceland?
I would say an Skål is not an Bowl, more like a short/low bowl, atleast I would never call an "Bolle" an "Skål", but I guess it depends on where you are from. Skål with an ! after probably means "Cheers", so he is probably just happy to watch some Strongman while he drinks I would guess?
Skål!
Thor is just unbeatable
That's why Eddie beat him at WSM this very same year! And the reason Thor has just one WSM title, because he is unbeatable. Is this why Thor cried so much?
@mehallica666 2019 Thor is strongest strongman ever
Eddie ditch the stupid skate board shoes your strong as hell those shoes can't help.
Everything about this feud was a embarrassment to the strongman competition
Bro what lol I’m the same age as Thor lol
42:58 😂
💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻💪🏻
Hollands showing stone IQ.
This will never happen again cuz eddie lost his size and 2/3s of his strength
Well, he officially retired from strongman competitions. So losing 2/3 of his strength is perfectly acceptable.
Thor definitely beat Eddie's deadlift record during quarantine. Also he was icelands strongest man 11 times.
fake plates and not done in competition so no record, yeah but there is hardly anyone living there its like me being strongest man in my own garden lol.
thor should have lifted 505kg in competition but he would not be able to, gym lifts don't count for a reason.
@@ATomRileyA he was supposed to but the world went into lock down and he had a contract signed to begin boxing at the time... What do you want him to do 😂😂😂😂
@@ATomRileyA Cope lol
I beat the record to at my own house just saying
@@chrisjennings7796 You didn't, just saying...
Thor had a massive advantage in the stones because of his 6’9” build.
That 6'9 frame gives him a massive advantage in most events.
Heeeeeey you guys
They used to get on so well... Then Thor's ego got in the way
How can you say thay when Eddie is wearing a mask and chains...
I presume the health and safety has improved from this night , I've been to Leeds most years but this one I didn't go but wasn't this the time where eddie was having a massive heart problem when he got out that car ? Thank god it wasn't bad but nobody rushed over at first ???
Yo creo que los Rusos serían gran competencia pero solo van los amiguitos de la otan
I like bodybuilding more but yes, strongman is crazy strong. They make bodybuilder small. But I like balance for aesthetic and strength
Look at the difference, Eddie accepts the loss like a man. Then we all know what happened at Worlds. Shame Thor couldn't accept his loss like a man, especially how naturally more gifted in size and strength to others.
It's like superman having a cry everytime one of the other hero's does something better than him.
He never ever me tionned Eddie after the 2017 wsm. All he did was point out the obviouq contriversy of changing some events mid comp just like other strongmen did.
@@J.c410 If you watch their interview before their fight, Thor admits to Eddie that he did try to bad mouth him and his title. So it wasn't just a moan about events.
@Jared Stewart if you watch this again Eddie clearly congratulated Thor and even after losing the fight he did another video congratulating Thor.
Are we still crying about this?
@@MellonVegan the thor fans cant let it go, they know thor is fading into obscurity and no one wants to do anything with him cause of his lying and generally shitty behavior.
🧐🇨🇴🌎🦾💪🫀💪🦾
Thor says he's sick, paralyzed and can't breathe and he's still here. Lol. Well he's none of those except he was there lol
He was clearly talking about his Bell's Palsy
Thor seems to beat Eddie every time apart from that one time they rigged the events for Eddie in 2017 and changed the events....during the actual contest
Thor had the exact same events as Eddie and everyone else. if you're that good you win anyway.
@@jackhillman1955 I've never before and never since seen a competition where an athlete does poorly in the carry/drag in the heats, and then the carry/drag is removed from the final...during the actual contest. It is especially odd when the athlete is mates and a business partner with the organisers
@@um8778 same for everyone else, if Thor was the best he would of won.
It wasn't rigged, all of the events were still Thor's strong points as well. They both went into win, and if Thor followed the rules in the press he would've won. Why would WSM give Eddie the win? He was one of the big money makers. And they knew if he won he wouldn't be back.
That never happened.
Danny dryer would knock these two out in street fights
10:50 BDSM 😧
Eddie's static strength is not from this world.
also: 40:30 is not something we will never see again, unfortunately
Also: 42:30 is that Magnus Samuelsson in the audience?
@@YetAnotherRetardedYTUpdate let's face it. These guys hate eachother. Thor's proven to back up his words in the ring and he is ok, and Eddie accepted it aswell, but I'm sure that deep down they still don't give a crap about eachother.
@@YetAnotherRetardedYTUpdate you have that backwards,what Thor did to strongman, almost killed it he should be disappointed in himself and should’ve never done 501 at his home gym
No respect for thor, after what he pulled in 2017 with no apologies.
Thor didn't do anything to Eddy but shake his hand and congratulate him when Eddy won WSM in 2017. Eddy and his acolytes are nuts for finding a way to hate Thor for that.
A dude has been giving everything he has for several years to win this thing, you beat him, and he still has the grace to shake your hand and congratulate you, and you are then going to spend the next several years hating him for not being more excited for you? That sounds psychotic.
@@RageDaug You weird little Thor sycophant. Look at you.
@@RageDaug Omg what a sycophant lol
@@MissBlennerhassett876 omg what a comeback. I'm right, which you confirmed in your retort. Lol
@@RageDaug You don't even know Magnus wasn't the referee when Thor was double-dipping 🤣
They're two absolutely dedicated and amazing strongmen, but I find it so incredible how Eddie being 6'2 can even come close to Thor in terms in strength 🤣Eddie will always be a strongman idle for me.
Actually the big 3 static events favour been shorter (deadlift, bench, squat).
Events with platforms or throws favour the taller men.
That's why Eddie always put his main efforts into the press, squat and deadlift.
If you watch Brian and Thor squatting against Eddie you can easily see how much harder it is for them (2017 WSM).
@@MrSnakekaplan oh absolutely. I get that proportions will aid certain lifts (longer arms being good for deadlift but not bench press). But I think that bodyweight plays a HUGE part in strength. Even at Eddie's heaviest, he would not be able to match the weight of strongmen 5 or 6 inches bigger than him. For a "short" strongman, he certainly matches their lifts and commonly surpasses them.
@@sus_beatz8559 Nah man, Eddie was always heavier than Thor (you can even see it on the stats in this video). Literally Brian was the only successful strongman heavier than Eddie (Eddie even made a video about it).
Deadlift is also better for shorter people. First of all, if your height and arm length match, then you still gain half the arm length increase because its split between 2 arms.
Assuming you haven't noticed but Thor and Brian both actually use a different technique to Eddie because their height makes it impossible to keep up. You'll also note that Eddie is always praised for his explosive starts.
All 3 are mechanically advantaged to shorter people. It's not an opinion, it's a well known fact in the powerlifting/strongman world.
@@MrSnakekaplan I thought we were having an intellectual conversation until you got all sassy at the end 😂😂
@Sus_Beatz Not trying to be sassy or a dick. I thought you said you were new, so I was been clear on the facts.
Despite been well aware of his advantages and been 6'3 (similar height to most and heavier than all except brian) and bragging about been tested to have a Hercules gene, Eddie will frequently tell a sob story. Basically take him with a grain of salt because while he appears down to earth etc, you will start to notice he is dishonest and narcissistic.
He is wildly powerful and I think he could be a better powerlifter than he was at strongman.
If they start trying to push "Girl Power" in Giants Live. It's over. For the love of G-d don't let woke infect us.
Vaxx face haha
"Power belly". Give me a break !!!
What
@@C_Harper That's how they referred to Belsaks stomach.
@@douglasr.c.5622 yeah, it’s used to hold stuff on your stomach. It’s an actual thing. Search up power belly on UA-cam to see.
@@C_Harper If I ever need a shelf, at about waist high, maybe I'll grow one. Or not.
@@douglasr.c.5622 coming from someone who has it. It works wonders