StarCraft: Brood War Pathfinding and Micro with Day[9]
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Day[9] discusses pathfinding and micro in StarCraft: Brood War.
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In this video, Sean proves that balance in Brood War was achieved by accident.
correction, it was achieved by SKILL.
He is talking about Blizzard's accident.
Completely agree ferro
has blizzard ever achieved balance on purpose tho ?
spot on!
Is he doing starcraft again or am I just in a wet dream?
You're not dreaming!
i literally thought i was just super high when i saw this.... I'm so happy
It must be because the brood war HD remaster was announced
It was? When? Where? How?
+TheProudOne it was on naver from a trustworthy source but not 100pervent confirmed by blizzard
oh my god, the thing I needed in my life was day9 talking about starcraft
I can't believe I've missed day9 talking about starcraft so much. And missed Brood War. Having this kind of talk and the ASL in 2016 is amazing, I have tears in my eyes.
Great video.
There is also a more recently discovered way of attacking with mutalisk which is the move-command technique. The technique is used by pressing m (move command) followed by a simultaneous press of left and right click on the target. The left should be pressed a tiny bit before to issue the move command before attacking. If done correctly and at the right distance the mutas will stop mid air and fire in place towards the target, without moving towards it, much like a mutalisk patrol attack.
A blast from the past.
I told my friends exactly why SC1 had so much higher of a skill ceiling because of what you said in the beginning. I didn't expect you to show these little quirks of the game that make me really miss the good ol' days.
cat's pathfinding kicked in at 28:18 and spammed Day9 :)
I miss seeing him back on the saddle of StarCraft, so much passion and love
I've really missed just listening to you talking in depth about game mechanics. Starcraft or no Starcraft, I love when you do stuff like this. :)
its like a flashback to years ago when i used to watch day 9 when he mostly played sc. this is some good nostalgic stuff, no trading card game bullshit
Man I wish this video existed 10 years ago. It is interesting how one man's glitch is another man's feature though. I don't think I would ever have thought clunky gameplay mechanics could add completely different dimensions to the game
It happens in a lot of games that have their meta explored heavily over a long period of time. There's always some fun tricks behind the curtains to keep in mind. One of the best parts is discovering them, too.
Brood War was one of those ultra rare games in which the glitches actually added massively to the game's depth. You can't replicate game design like this.
True but there's so many examples from the late 90s early 2000s. Vanilla WoW (god bless those crazy fucking feral druids...) Mario Kart 64 (some of the jumps on Rainbow Road especially are so fun to pull off), Super Mario 64 (I'm not a speed runner but I appreciate the craft). I miss that stuff man.
Last time I was this early Day9 was best known for Funday Monday.
oh man I love the idea of Day[9] explaining sc broodwar's micro to, I don't know maybe his mother maybe a lady friend that's interested "i don't understand what sc broodwar's micro is", and he is like alright put a quarter in one of your two hand, and now hold your hands out, hold out your hands, Day[9] is like a future wife, right, hold her hands out the quarter one alright, Don't show me, *sigh* and then Day[9] is like "OPEN YOUR LEFT HAND" and she opens it, the quarter is in there, Day[9] is like "if the quarter was in your right hand that would have been SC broodwar's micro"
nice job ruining a great joke by adding things that don't belong
This got recommended to me on my homepage. For a second there, I thought Day9 was gearing up for a return to Brood War coverage with Starcraft HD on the horizon.
As someone who started playing with the release of Wings I really appreciate this! So interesting!
Day9 and Starcraft
Is this a Day9 video featuring Starcraft? Am I dreaming?
Battles in Brood War feel much more epic because not every army is a "deathball" clump of units that you just send straight to your enemies base. For example, as Zerg in broodwar you can really feel the swarmy-ness of their army because it is quite essential for zerg to come from all angles in brood war, so they won't die to siege tanks. In Starcraft 2, well it seems that units clump way too much and dont stay in position.
Liked the video and I haven't even started watching it yet. More Starcraft (of any kind) please!
Where did you hide the real Day9? He doesnt do starcraft anymore.
So happy he's doing a Brood war video.
Just make a hour long video of sheriff cuddling around your neck and i will watch the entire thing. That is so adorable
Holy shit I miss the Brood War unit sound effects! Those Zealots are badass
FINALLY A STARCRAFT VIDEO!! This makes me so happy. :)
need more of these SC expert analysis! from d9
How can you not love a game like this?
It's so beautiful!
Did this conversation come up because of the Afreeca Starleague that tasteless is commentating that is live every sunday and tuesday in Korea?
Fantastic video.
Starcraft and Day9 again!? Whaaaat is this place!?
This video alone really makes me want to try out Brood War!
YESSS Day9 doing what he's best at . long live broodwar
Yeah. Moar SC videos from Day9!
The viewcount is much better now! This video has been going up at a higher pace than most of the others on the Day9tv channel lately. Good plays, SC fans.
30:45 I would favor another possibility that dragoons rather follow 'rythms' when moving : They step forward, then move the body and then step forward again. When a dragoon is trying to step forward but the other fellow dragoon has yet to take the 'body movent rythm', this one cannot move forward.
dude you gotta do more videos like this, they are awesome
Day9 Starcraft content? Yes please.
the bit with the zealots is like herding cats! haha
Thank you for bringing me memories Day9 ! :)
Holy crap! Day9 playing Broodwar and RotterdaM playing Warcraft 3. I'm guessing HD Remaster is coming.
I would love more videos like this.
man i like your vids so much....i use to watch your vids to learn sc2 :D you really know how to explain stuff
You know what is really good? Age of empires 2, I never thought it was so much like broodwar.
They don't cluster because they far apart. They custer, because you click insidetheir formation "bbox". It's intended. You literaly order them to get closer together by click inside their formation. When you click outside the formation - it means "move there by preserving the formation". And it has nothing to do with the overlord being part of the bigger formation and clicking away assuming you click while uint being far away from eachother. It works just because you have unit of different move speed in the same group. There is no way to hold formation with different speed - thus the formation breaks up and units cluster. And since air units has no solid bbox - they cluster even tighter. Develop your critical thinking, please
About pathfinding - don't you think it would be broken if you can click anywhere in the minimap black area and unit won't go there cuz the pathfinding algo (probably A* or something) knows exactly that there is no path towards where you click? That whould be very broken in terms of scounting. Imagine you click on one of potential enemy spawn and your units don't go there - why? Because there is a fucking wall up and A* knows about it since it cannot path to your click. This shit is so fucking obvious, come on...
The main thing I loved about SC was the way the units moved. It was unexpected & they didn't listen to you all the time. It was a joy micro-ing them.
i learned a lot from this, but i still think blizard should still fix pathfinding to allow comsostant formation during movement
Are you making this video because the HD remake is coming out next year?
Scourge AI is very simple to understand and abuse. The scourge recalculates its interception vector once every second. Knowing that you can fool the scourge by quickly changing your movement direction just before the scourge recalculates its interception vector. There is no such thing as a Chinese Triangle trick, it is all about timing. I wish Day9 sees this :)
Holy Shit Day[J] you're back! ^_^
Brood War... Now that's a name I've not heard in a LONG time on this channel.
EDIT: It's nice he showed it on blizzard maps. It helped emphasize how shit they were. I think inverted ramps were a think of 2005-2006, as I remember stumbling across the archives of an SC1 mapping community was having a fuss over whether finding a way to do a map with the default map editor was more elegant and less "Cheaty" than using 3rd party map tools and inverted ramps during those years.
There's also a couple maps that took advantage of the weird assimilator size. They were "reverse semi islands" where the game started off with units moving freely through maps, but as the game progressed you could lock out your base by destroying the neutral assimilators.
The custom map tools are such nostalgia. Emerald Placer, just laying down buildings in weird places or merged with each other and making some fun custom maps.
SC1/BW had some amazing mods too, I'd recommend them to anyone curious.
I haven't tried many of the map making tools. Mostly I just cut my teeth on SCMdraft.
The mutas control cand be done better with a larva instead of a overload
I think many avoid that because they need to spawn units
I wonder how those things influence the design of your game, Day9.
Interesting idea for a one-off Sean. Might make for a good series even, but be careful about straying too far from your roots here on YT. ;P
These are his roots on YT, though.
Congratulations, you have successfully identified the joke.
If patrol click is faster than right clicking on things then wouldn't you want to always use patrol click?
Watching you struggling with scourge when all you have to do is move not exactly at scourge but a little to the side... boom, magic triangle
Is this the start of something big???
"This shitty pathfinding is not a bug! its a feature." Quote: Nostalgic SC gamer
Hey Day9 any chance you will return to sc2 as a caster? We miss you man!
Bring the commentaries back!!
This is beautiful...
Where is part 2?
brood war is coming back.
'of course'
in duran voice
It's happening! Please do more sc videos
Starcraft is back!!
i thought magic box with mutas in starcraft 2 meant something completely different to deal with thors
It does. Magic box in SC2 is the exact opposite. It keeps units spread apart instead of clumping them together like they normally tend to.
Magic box was discovered 10+ years before your puny thors existed.
SC2 killed magic boxing and now it is niche technique to kill niche unit.
pretty cool stuff. Is this stuff in Starcraft Remastered, too?
yes, remastered uses the original mechanics, it's essentially just a reskin of the game, kinda like the carbot animations' Star Crafts mod.
Have you heard about Sc Remaster Hd? Coming September.
Yay, found a new starcraft BW video.
Do my eyes deceive me?? STARCRAFT CONTENT ON DAY9'S CHANNEL??
more brood war!
thank you, professor, but if i want to 1a?
I miss day9 making sc2 vids
food for thought
Man, I would love it if this video was edited.
YAY STARCRAFT NOTICE ME DAY[9] SENPAI
does the spam click apply to AoE games too? I always did it cause it felt smoother
So do you think that the HD remaster will have these little things?
of course it will. Blizzard isn;t stupid enough to change the mechanics in the remaster, especially because they made the remaster for the dedicated BW fans.
Hey Day 9 you used to be one of my favorite dudes to watch back in the golden days of Starcraft BW i would watch all your videos and loved what you did. I'm still waiting for the day of anther game like Starcraft BW to come out. There was nothing else like it. Wish Starcraft 2 never came out.
I doubt you'd even be a fan of day9 without sc2. He'd just be a few videos you watched 7 years ago
Nolstagia always beat properly developed.
Was this a 2016 livestream?
I wish he did SC2 stuff again...
The video is a loop! He begins with the word "so" and ended with "so"
PLEASE make STARCRAFT 1 day9 day off !!!!!!!!!!!!! UP VOOOTE
It's just another case of technological limits creating emergent game-play. This happened in Total Annihilation also, so many little quirks and bugs arose that would allow good players to get that little extra out of their unit control and tactics. Its just so sad that it seems the greatest days of the RTS genre are behind us. Whether that is because of the technology or just the market is up for debate.
So, Day9 returns from his SC hiatus just to scare me away from Broodwar. 😂
yayayayayay day9 starcraft!!!!
Reissuing the exact same command to the exact same group of units yields better results than letting them obey it... That's disturbing to contemplate. It means that the algorithm used to handle congestion creates more problems than it solves, and NEVER resorting to it, instead slamming units head-on into obstacles would've been both better... and simpler to code.
more please
Are there any Terran tricks?
MOAR BROODWAR
I get that the brood war mechanics made for more intersting styles than SC2. However when I play SC2 i feel like im fighting the opponent, and in brood war I feel like im fighting the game coding.
idk if that makes sense
What year is it?
WHAT YEAR IS IT.jpg
I sincerely hope against all hope that you do more BW stuff in the future, especially with Blizzard showing an interest in possibly making it HD by the end of the year, and the traction BW has gained with Tastosis casting the Afreeca Starleague, I feel you could help usher in a lot more interest for the scene with these small videos!
Thanks for all your past and present contributions to the scene, you are an inspiration.
Please make more of these, for the love of gobus
should of shown gols. they had the best pathfinding in the game
Wait, Day9 talks Starcraft...what year is it?
But seriously, still love you man.
lol yeah reminds me of 2006
Well here in 2024 he just casted a few Brood War pro games
the date is wrong - it's 2006, not 2016.
..but a welcome return to the great old days detailing the hidden sophistication underlying top level BW
lol yes!!
It's 2016. Sean didn't have cats in 2006..
+slayer1561
Woosh.
+slayer1561 it's a joke
lol, you're awesome for that.
Now all we need is monobattles and uniden and it'll be just like 2011
Dang, it doesn't feel like it's been so long .
+norad2terran lol it has been tho..
Hi Lieutenant Dan
no UNIDEN NO!!
+Firya He was a tragic loss, even more tragic than the Number J
What I miss most about SC 1 is its unique feel. The music, the sounds, the animations, just everything was incredibly good at conveying the fantasy of the race you played. Starcraft 2 just doesn't feel anywhere as distinct as Starcraft 1 did.
I love the zealots, they give off a really great atmosphere and gives you a sense of Protoss pride and honor if that makes sense
for me it was REALISTIC. now everything looks too cartoony.
+Firya Are you joking?
*****
I like how the effects and audio stand out, really. I simply love the blue flames on protoss buildings, the grid damage on units, the distinct sounds of the units and buildings. SC2 feels to clean to me.
Sc1 terran was not cartoony - zerg were xsenomorphs, not bugs - protoss were cool and scary