"Absolute power corrupts absolutely" Preach my guy. Love Lennox, he is a soft hearted , soft spoken , intellectual giant and even though he speaks so calmly his words are immensely powerful.
I am not clever and rarely understand Jordan. I love listening to professor Lennox if he it isnt a discussion with scientists etc. On listening to you for the first time today , I find you certainly have a way of simplifying whst has been said. THANK YOU. 👍
I was raised in church so when I was old enough to go out into the world I was surprised and discouraged to find that people are being taught that there is no good and no right and wrong only decisions and consequences
For years, I have thought that most people’s god is in their mirror. I often ask the Lord to help me to follow Him and not go my own way. Thank you Lord for your mercy and unmerited grace for me a sinner. What does take my sins away, nothing but the blood of Jesus. 🎶
I’m a young preacher and as I develop my understanding of scripture better and am introduced to more deep Christian thinkers, I’m blown away. I was just recently introduced to Hess and I’ve never heard of the Lennox thinker but I’m going to add him to my book list in my library.
@@spiritman-em4qr hmm. And what would it mean to have a wizard who is a literary fictional character meant to represent an angel and or Christ within the Lord of the Rings series? What would it mean to use that fact as a door to begin a conversation about Christ as a way to evangelize to the lost? Please tell me what it means for a minister to have a wizard as an avatar picture.
@@spiritman-em4qr if your referring to Leviticus 19:31 where God forbids the Israelites from seeking “wizards” then I would say you might wanna study up on your scholarship as the word actually translates more to necromancy and spiritualists. Neither of which the character of Gandalf is. In fact, Gandalf is seen more as a Shepherd/ Pastoral figure within the book series and films and has had many scholars examine the usage of the character as a literary means of presenting the idea of a pastor or priest to the films at large.
Yeah. Well watch David K. Bernard videos and understand God is not a trinity. As well. Women should not be Preachers. There is no proper theology called right hand of fellowship etc. Anyways. Go to a man of God who knows the difference between titles baptism and baptism in the title-name-title of Lord Jesus Christ. Full submersion. Man of God says: I baptize you in the title-name-title of Lord Jesus Christ for the remission of sin. Means Matthew 28 v19 is fully understood with Acts 2 v38 and Acts 19 v5 which agree with John 3 v5 and Mark 16 v16 Lord Jesus Christ means Jesus is Father and Son and Holy Spirit per John 8 v58 and Revelation 1 v8 and Isaiah 45 v15 and Hosea 13 v4 and Isaiah 43 v11 etc
@@spiritman-em4qr As someone who has studied the differences between fictional wizards and the wizards of the occult, I can assure you that they aren’t the same. While many things are similar, there are huge differences between the two. In the instance of Gandalf, within the framework of the story written by the author, Gandalf is (more or less) an angel given a specific mission by the Divine Ruler of the novels universe. Other than having supernatural abilities (like that of what we see angels having in scripture) and admittedly others, Gandalf is depicted as being the “Angel of Light” in the series. His abilities are not reflective of the occult rituals you’re probably familiar with (like the ones found in Wicca, Gnosticism, and other occult practices. Any similarities between the two in as far as the character is concerned, is more in tune with what is within Christian thought as the more pure “version” of it if you will. A simple way of looking at this would examining the intention of God banning Israel from pursuing necromancy or anything of the sort. It is not due to the concept that Israel is to not commune with the divine realm (or else they would not be communing with God), but that with other spirit that are evil, you can’t trust the source. With God you can trust what He tells you. But attempting to reach out to the demonic forces who hate you will result in your destruction. But clearly, by virtue of the original Edenic model, mankind is supposed to have a communal relationship with the divine realm. That is we are originally meant to walk with God and will again in the New Heaven and Earth. But the occult flips this and reaches out to spiritual entities that are not of our realm. Who have no care for humanity and only seek our destruction.
I had actually viewed the Lennox-Petersen video a number of days prior to your exposition and found it wonderful. Thank you for highlighting the salient points of the discussion. No matter how hard the world tries, it will never bury truth, especially when Jesus Christ is the embodiment of all truth. Pilate had the same problem. Keep up the good work. Jesus is Lord!!
"Absolute power corrupts absolutely..." comes from the same guy (before Tolkien) that said "The principles of Christianity, well engraved in the heart, would be infinitely stronger than this honor of monarchies, these human virtues of republics..." Montesquieu.
There's a variation of this saying that I've heard which I think is quite insightful. "Power reveals." The ability to do whatever you want leads to the revelation of what it is you've always wanted to do. In humans, this pretty much always leads to corruption. It's not because of the power itself, but because the human heart is corrupt. God has ultimate power, but that power does not corrupt Him. In His case, His ultimate power reveals His ultimate justice.
Excellent point. As a side issue, consider: God is omnipotent (all-powerful), therefore He can do anything logically possible. He desires all men to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth (1 Tim. 2:4). Yet all men are not saved. Therefore, we must freely allow Him to save us, otherwise we will not be saved. Therefore, 5-point Calvinism is false (Irresistible Grace is not true). And Universalism is also false (all will not be saved). For although God is all-powerful and desires _all_ to be saved, He cannot _force_ anyone to _freely_ surrender to Him, for that is logically impossible.
@@MacNCheezeWhizGod has already decided we don’t “deserve” him. Hence, Jesus. To say “deserve” is misguided though - it’s too easy to assume you mean multiple things by your statement. Do we deserve God’s judgement? Yes. Yet, does God love us still? Yes. So if we deserve justice, yet God still loves us, what does it mean to deserve God? I don’t know for sure what you mean, but I think in a simple sense, no one is righteous, yet God loved the world so much he sent Jesus to be the propitiation for the sins of the whole world, and that propitiation is especially realised by those who chose to believe and are therefore reconciled to God by forgiveness through Jesus’ atoning sacrifice. Thank God, Undeserving Sinner (saved by grace through faith)
He has come to see his wife healed by a miracle . I think he has come to recognize his need for God. Has he accepted Jesus as his Lord and Savior? Not sure even many professing Christians have.
Isaiah 5:20-23 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter 21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight! 22 Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink: 23 Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him!
Thank you weirdly this word and passage has been appearing everywhere, when I start questioning certain things or some preachers here. I think I better stick to reading my HB myself. So many are tricky with their rewording of certain play on words.
I recently saw a video with Richard Dawkins and Alex O’Conner. In the conversation he said that he had never had a debate with an intelligent, reasonable theist. At no time had there been an argument that was well thought out and reasonable. Having watched Lennox-Dawkins debates, I was both surprised and not surprised by his lack of respect and complete hubris. Lennox is a masterful speaker and has only improved over time.
I couldn’t wait to watch this interview and listen to 2 of some of the greatest thinkers of our time. Peterson always makes me think, oh but Lennox is Nourishment to my soul. 🥰
Thank you for this, Mr. Sala! I also watched that whole interview of Dr. Lennox and there were so many sobering reminders for us Christians as to why God keeps standards of conduct in His Word for His people to follow. Those were more than just guard rails that many of us misconstrue as Godʼs 'killjoy' methods towards people who want to 'enjoy' life. As the perfect Father and Lord Himself, God puts those commands in place for us to actually live life to the full in His presence. I think that with all these things said well about the amoral state of the dominant liberal culture today, God is allowing all these ignorance and rebellion to show before all of us what our folly could bring about consequentially. In our capacity for free choices, the Lord is teaching us a lesson that we can never truly realize what it means to live well without Him. Please, keep doing these, pastor. Your videos are helpful reflection points for personal study and even discipleship discussion points in groups. God bless you and your ministry! #SoliDeoGloria
Thank you ❤for bringing this wonderful teaching / conversation with Jordan Peterson and John Lennox... to the attention of us all. The OUGHTNESS.... OUGHT TO COME FROM ABOVE!
Eats fruit. Becomes arbiter of good and evil for himself. Raises his subjective reality to the level of objective. All things only God can or should. That’s how I understood it, and I’m hearing it echoed in Peterson. One of the ways we become our own “god” is we make up our own laws of good and evil and walk perfectly in them because we are never wrong and we judge others based on how they relate to us through that lens; they all fail. We also disagree with Gods laws where they do it line up with ours, we end up with salad bar religion. It’s pure narcissisim.
get real. Eve had sex with a Nodite and conceived Cain. Adam voluntarily ate the same fruit and conceived a child as well. "NAKED" is the clue. Was Trump CHOSEN BY GOD to rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem so the Sanhedrin can renew their rituals of smoke and blood for the remission of our sins and FINALLY NEGATE Jesus and the cross? 100's of millions deceived. Matthew 24: 24. So MANY so horribly taught.
LOVE John Lennox. CS Lewis, my favourite author, warned us about this long ago in 'The Abolition of Man.' (To be followed up with 'The Ransom Trilogy.')
I have never heard that the tree of knowledge of good and evil was the idea that morality is subjective and, in essence, puts us on a path of becoming our own god. It can be seen today in our society with lbgt movement, feminist movement, CRC movement, and even in many charismatic and progressive "christian" movements.
Insightful, God's government is based on selfless love . Satan's government is based on love of self . When Adam and Eve fell there nature made a u turn back to themselves now they naturally became selfish and in need of a savior . We have a choice to worship God or self .
@@larrycraig3295 Yep. In breaking of God's Word they show us what our sin is actually like. God knew we would break it, the same way as two year old children. In the disobedient action of breaking the Word of God to us we have a pale picture that becomes fully focussed at the cross of Jesus, whom John calls the Word that became flesh and lived among us. At the cross, every sin known is exposed: putting God on trial, issuing judgement against God, misplaced and false piety, betrayal, disfiguring God's Word till it is unrecognisable, false friends, fear, cruelty, presenting lies as truth, condemning on half truth, ignoring the obvious, mass hysteria, false empathy, jealousy, hopelessness, spiritual blindness, riots, anger, cowardice, deliberate miscarriage of justice, abuse of power, appeasement, taking offense when shown we are wrong, corporate murder, self deception of the protagonists, assumed absolute power, glee in the spectacle of inflicted pain, mocking, false healing to deaden pain, overkill, and unashamed self agrandissement. We cannot have our own way without committing most of these sins. No-one likes this level of exposure, which is why we hate the idea of an absolute God who has standards that we cannot reach without Him. It is easy to point to this in other people, which is why some in gross error choose to blame the Jews for the turn of events. But they were the only people with the credentials to carry out the sacrifice and when we look closer and see ourselves in the crowd and listen to the Words of Jesus to us, then there is the possibility that we will be thrown from our own false throne and won over by the magnificent power of grace and mercy extended to us who only deserve the worst. But we will also see the hand of God the Father behind this. Words express Ideas and we need to understand the words and the idea that they carry. This, for me, is the clearest but still incomplete and weak, expression of the Trinity of God which we see in the very first verses of scripture. The corruption of language corrupts the way we communicate. Our ideas expressed through words and dependent on the understanding that our hearers have is I think one of the ways we are made in God's image, but the words we often speak are without the weight of the Truth from God. The absolutely amazing thing is that God used the imperfect people, whom He had chosen, given them the Law in Words and prepared them through the sacrificial system of innocent lambs to abhor the sins that they committed and then tested them through the fire of the Greek mistreatments after their humiliation in Babylon and before the Roman invasion, to carry out this sacrifice for our salvation. There is no other creature in creation that can commit sin, only men with free will, and by that free will then having the potential ability to corrupt every environment around them, spiritual, relationships and physical. We can hear God's voice of anger and frustration at those whom He chose and guided through 3,000 years of history throughout the pages of scripture, but God never gives up on His promises to them, whether in blessing them or by punitive actions by their enemies to bring them back on course. God still keeps those promises, which throws us onto God's goodness. But the really humbling thing that we see in the Law is that if a man was to claim he was God, then the law required that man to be put to death, without adding a mitigating clause that if the man actually is God He should be believed. But how else would the sacrifice have been made? God even told His people on many different occasions that He would come. So the cross had to happen to show us the ugly horror and incurable nature of the gods we become when we set ourselves in opposition to God, and how grossly offensive that idolatry is to God, even when dressed up in the imperfect goodness' we are doing to tell God we don't need Him, failing to recognise that He is the source of what we know in our hearts is the right thing, action or words for each occasion. We would still be in our sins without hope of redemption if the event of Jesu's crucifixion and resurrection, central to our history, had not happened. So when we go back to the place where we thought we had buried Him and listen again to the Words that will never die we discover this is our only hope and through the holy Spirit bringing Understanding of God's Word, by showing us God Himself incarnated as the perfect man Jesus on the cross for our sin, offering us peace and forgiveness, will surprise us with a joy that will last for eternity. Such a relief to hand the burden that only God can carry back to Him.
Morality is only subjective, if we try to become our own god and reject transcendence from above. Human need moral laws from a all-knowing and righteous God. Look at the mess humanity is in now.
When ever I see and hear this great Man, it puts the smile on my face. May YHWH bless him with a long healthy life, because we need his brilliant mind. I just love him.
@@SuperFacecloth Yes, we do - people do. Thank God, I have the Holy Spirit in me and Jesus Christ revealed in me, but I don't have THAT kind and amount of knowledge or platform to access that many people, to give them important information and teach them how to defend Jesus and Bible. They do. I know why I wrote that.
@@SuperFacecloth How else can those who question, and without clear knowledge, come to understand the mind of our creator... if they do not have someone to teach them? The N.T. stories written by the disciples are _needed_ and were preserved for us to learn from their experiences. John Lennox follows the word of God and expounds on it's revelations for us to gain greater understanding. I think you are splitting hairs on the word "NEED". People NEED teachers, pastors, etc... or they might be led astray. But I wholeheartedly agree with you, we first and foremost NEED the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ... and then we must seek out the truth.
So we become accurate about the mercy we need, and so vague about the implications of it being granted. Time to plead: “Lord, I believe; help my unbelief!”
That was excellent! Thank You. I just found your channel and subscribed. John Lennox is my favorite. Jordan Peterson I truly enjoy, though I feel he's still finding his way in Christ, as we all are in one form or another, where we're needing to learn to let go of ourselves and the preconceptions we've brought along with us, or inherited from our backgrounds. Where in actuality we need to receive our ultimate authority from The Creator, our one True source for objectivity. And, HIS revelation about HIMSELF in JESUS CHRIST! Blessings, Awaiting HIS Return, Walter
This has been a link in time. I have viewed this last Easter and the celebrations and on a hard look i see that we, myself included, have treated the Cricifixtion on a temporal basis and neglected the spiritual in the Cricifixtion. I have asked the Holy Spirit to guide me in understanding what this is. This session has given me a start to the study. Thank you.
First time listening in. You have struck at the heart of what is wrong with America! HOLY BIBLE taken out of the public schools, not legally, in the early 1960's. TRUTH did not change! TRUTH Forever! 🙏
I saw the thumbnail for this video and thought, "Gosh, that looks so much like Nata Sala" so I clicked on the video and it was you! Really enjoyed this commentary (excellent use of the word "axiomatic"). 😊
Loved this video!! And also what you shared at the end about the 3 statements/propositions you discussed with your students - a very practical and great way to segue into discussions about transcendence.
Yes, I also heard is school 'Absolute power corrupts absolutely'. I loved this video. I agree with all of it! Thanks for the book recommendation Paul Gould/Cultural Apologetics.
Remember when Jesus said, who is good? Only God is good. We as humans will never truly understand what is good or even what is truly evil. We get glimpses of good and evil at times.
Even before Cain kills Abel, Adam and Eve defy God which is similar to dishonoring thy Father; the first commandment with promise. The Bible is awesome, how everything fits together.
I'm just wondering if this is what humanists are attempting to address: "There is no God but everyone can be 'good' to each other." Also, it's great to hear my fellow Northern Ireland accent from John Lennox!
Thank you! I started to listen to Mr. Lennox & Peterson’s discussion initially but got a headache and stopped!😂(Was not great for my self esteem…kinda over my head esp. with Spanish having been my primary language most my life.) Nothing new under the Son! We were made to be with, depend and worship only on Him❤️
This was a great interview. The one problem I see for Jordan is that I think he truly knows what it means to follow Jesus (more than most) and I can't speak for certain but I believe he knows what comes with that, once you say it out loud and he's just not ready for that. Like most do
I think Jordan Peterson is mainly concerned with trying to build softer hearts so the seculars that follow him and laugh at John Lonnex will realize how real and powerful the Bible is, and how masterfully is it written by the Lord to be beyond any work of fiction they’ve read. God has literally done this with the Jews of today by hiding Jesus’ name/face, but foretelling his true coming to the Jews/Rabbis who do seriously follow the Old Testament, but cannot comprehend the New Testament. Jordan Peterson’s biggest fear isn’t his career or likability. It’s him failing to keep people away from Hell.
FYI I created a community post with a link to this video. This is what I wrote to go with it. This is my take on this video: God decides moral value. But we must hear and believe. He gave it to Moses in the Law. But Moses and his descendants twisted it for their benefit through time and use. I must conclude that, because "the law came by Moses, but truth by Jesus." John 1. Jesus gave us the true Law, let’s say, or the true contract of behavior. So what was that? “This is the covenant that I shall make with the house of Israel in that day. I will put my laws into their minds, and write them in their hearts…” Heb 8:10 Does that mean we know the law automatically? Does it not take God doing the writing on our hearts and minds? We can’t simply know what’s right and wrong by our own intuition, but only by the influence of God. So what we have to do is yield to God. That’s how we know what the ‘law of righteousness,’ let’s say, is. The law is a schoolmaster teaching you to stay within the bounds of morality until you have a mature, discernible connection with God who will lead you more perfectly.
Having a moral compass is difficult for self centered selfish lawless people. Evil wants us to sin, if we repent after being lead to sin. Acknowledging our actions mistakes taking responsibility and try not to sin again. God almighty forgives us
THIS IS THE VERY FIRST TIME I'VE WATCH YOU, I WILL CONTINUE WATCHING YOU AS LONG AS YOU STAY IN THE BIBLE, OVER THE YEAR'S, I'VE SEEN A LOT OF MINISTER USING THE BIBLE AND TWISTING IT AROUND TO CONVENCE YOU WHAT YOU WANT IT TO MEAN TO OTHER'S, IM REALY INTO THE WORD OF GOD, IM IN LOVE WITH THE MESSAGE HE HAS FOR HUMANITY, BUT YOU KNOW THAT EVEN SATAN KNEW JUST WHAT JESUS LOOK LIKE IN HIS SPIRIT, BUT YOU KNOW NOT EVEN SATAN KNEW THAT JESUS LOOKED LIKE IN THE FLESH, BUT PRAISE BE TO GOD FOR HIS SON JESUS TAKEN ON MY SIN'S AT THE CROSS.
Religion and Grace are Different Religion: What man does to earn merit or favor with God. Grace: What God does to provide salvation freely to man. Religious Christianity counts church attendance, prayer, good works, tithing, and confession among the long list of ways man can earn favor with God or satisfy God’s wrath toward them. Grace Christianity depends solely upon the finished work of Jesus Christ to both attain eternal life, and to atone for our sins.
I fully agree with John Lennox that “ought-ness” should come from above. Mankind first sinned by breaking God's command that they not eat of the forbidden fruit. When mankind sinned, we also became LIKE God, knowing good and evil, which God Himself confirmed. As suggested by a recent commentary on the book of Genesis(1), “knowing good and evil" in the original language can also mean determining good and evil. In this light, ever since this first sin, mankind has been determining for ourselves what constitutes good and what constitutes evil. Importantly, notice that for Eve, "knowing good and evil" was not the consequence of the first recorded sin, but rather its cause: for even before Eve ate from the forbidden tree she had determined that the tree was "good for food," and that eating of the forbidden fruit was "desirable to make one wise." Thus, she had the ability to make value judgments even before she ate from the forbidden tree. Then after she and Adam ate, they hid from God and told Him that it was because they were naked, and by implication, that their nakedness was "not good", or something about which to be ashamed. God's questions in reply are revealing: "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded you that you should not eat?" Think about it: if Adam and Eve were not determing for themselves good/bad or desirable/undesirable, then someone must have told them that their nakedness was not good or shameful. On the other hand, if they were coming up with their own value system, then no one would need to have told them that their nakedness was not good. Notice that becoming “LIKE the Most High” was Lucifer’s own ambition as recorded in Isaiah 14, and consider this verse which appears twice in the book of Proverbs: "That which seems right unto a man, the end thereof are the ways of death." (1) 2019. Prager D. The Rational Bible: Genesis: God, Creation, and Destruction. Telushkin J, ed. Excerpt from page 59: In the Torah, the phrase “good and evil” (“good and bad” in this [quoted] translation) can mean “everything.” It can also mean moral free will …. And, as the serpent correctly noted, “knowing good and evil” can also mean being the one who determines what is good and what is evil. That is what is meant by this verse by “man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil.”
Thanks wise disciple for explaining this conversation in layman terms, i love Jordan Petersen, but most of the times ,i need to replay multiple times to decipher his message
The tree of good & evil was the Law... Sin became strong because of the Law. Jesus took away the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us. Jesus is the Tree of Life, when we take Him, His blood & body we have eternal life. Rom.6:23; 5-8... Enjoy: With Christ in Paradise, Carried by the angels, Lo! I am with you always 💯 th Chris Phally channel video on UA-cam... Psalm 91 praise prayer song, Let God supply. Thank you for your great encouragement with some top thinkers of the day. 😊
Listening to Peterson was like he was talking nonsense but God bless John Lennox, certainly God’s Spirit is in him. A brilliant mind as you rightly say.
It's because Peterson is steeped in psychiatric gobbledy gook. I think that makes it difficult for him to step away from his psychological reasoning and come to Jesus with a child like faith as Jesus instructed.
This is why I am so thankful that I was born into and raised in a strong Catholic family! We are taught from a very young age that morality and the practice of virtue is objective. That truth is one and comes from God above. When Jesus replies to Pilate, 'you would have no power unless it was given to you by my Father,' then that is all the world needs to know! That all things are subject to Him. Also, we are taught from 1st grade on that truth can not be divided. Since Jesus established the Catholic Church to teach His truth and be the vehicle to transmit His truth down through the ages for man's salvation, then everything the Catholic Church teaches has to be true. If one teaching is false, then all is false, and the whole house crumbles, and salvation is useless and has no meaning or value. There has to be objective truth and morality.
Brother, I wish you all the luck in the world with your channel and I truly appreciate this content but I don't need commentary, I can understand what Dr. Lennox and Dr. Peterson are trying to convey, God bless.
Lenox has never been bested because he is able to remain calm, the Holy Spirit within him handles all the controversy. If Petersen would accept the truth from the Holy Spirit, he would NOT have to struggle so hard with his own words to try to explain, to understand & to convince others of his point. All of us in the Spirit with John Lennox know the truth of what HE is saying through him.
I have seen this, I love Lennox and Jordan, thank you for you channel. The Eden story is fascinating because why then did God put that tree there then in the first place? And make it so tempting as well? Was it a test? The scripture says God does not temp us, It was part of the plan of mankind's relationship with God.I would love much brighter minds than I will ever have to discuss this.
Subjective morality essentially strips good & evil from right & wrong. Now whatever we say is right is right, and whatever we say is wrong, is wrong. The upside down world we currently live in.
Greetings, this is Pastor Mike. BTW: I did Subscribe and Like. Anyway, I saw the entire interview between Dr. Peterson and Dr. Lennox. I've followed (as time allowed) both of them and others for years now. What struck me this time was that it simply was not two people arguing/disagreeing. No! It was us learning and growing!!! Homo-Deus (Man as god) is certainly not the way! One thing that I have discovered in my life (I'm 70 years old), is that "Democracy" is not actually supported in Biblical Scripture. It makes sense when one realizes that the "will of the people" should not be pitted against and/or elevated above the "Will of GOD!" When the people respected and were guided by the Will of GOD, then our Constitutional [Democratic] Republic labored to maintain GOD's National Blessing (I remember that time). * But, when the People stray from GOD's genuine and timeless truths and doctrines of the ages it has predictable consequences! If the people stray, then we can't be surprised when it rises upwards into government thinking, policy, practices, and procedures. I really believe that it all took hold in earnest during the Age of Enlightenment, during which GOD was demoted below the thinking (and science) of Man. I wrote a treatise about that and published some of it on Substack. Judge Billings Learned Hand had written (paraphrased), If freedom and liberty do not exist in the hearts of the People, then no law, no court, and no government can save it. * By a similar line of thought, if morality (right & wrong), which is based on GOD's truths and doctrines, is not present in the People, then we're all in trouble (as that condition metastasizes throughout human society). It is supposed to be GOD's Church and His Family Unit(s), operating under His Sovereignty and Jurisdiction, as well as the authority of GOD, as the Word (John 1:1 KJV), which instills such values. In my opinion, view, and judgment (IMOVJ), GOD's Church is a jurisdictionally separate "House of GOD" (Eph. 1:21-23 KJV), that is supposed to operate as a separate "check and balance" (the pulpit being an independent platform to sound GOD's Truths) that keeps humanity from straying into dangerous amoral territory. I'll close with this: It's time for churches to realize the fullness of their true role and for GOD's People to act like GOD's People! The requisite doctrinal knowledge for that needs to be revived. From Pastor Mike Benjamins, Jr. of Oregon, USA. 1-20-24 at 12:59 A.M. Oregon Time. The Remnant Church Truth Ministry. All my standard rules and disclaimers apply.
I think it was one of the better interviews with a Christian Peterson has done, I also thought it was nice when Metaxes was interviewed and told him more than once no you’re wrong.
Thanks for bringing this up! We can know what this tree (of good & evil) was by looking at what man would become after eating of it. The serpent said "you shall be like God" And so the tree of good & evil meant man becoming God! Defining for himself what's wrong & right without looking to God. Man was actually usurping God!
Great video. I agree. Subjective and Conventional morals lead to chaos. I guess my question is, when I feel personally violated, is that a symptom of a universal law being broken, or is it only my own personal moral code being broken?
Yes i saw the interview. Subjective morality is what Nietzsche discusses in Beyond Good and Evil and more or less where Machiavelli is going in The Prince. Check out Nietzsche's full quote of "God is dead and we have killed him..." This quote continues on to fully describe what humans will do without a transcendent morality.
"Absolute power corrupts absolutely"
Preach my guy. Love Lennox, he is a soft hearted , soft spoken , intellectual giant and even though he speaks so calmly his words are immensely powerful.
Agree! I love Lennox .. the man with a permanent smile.
The Holy Spirit is on work sir❤️💪🏼
I am not clever and rarely understand Jordan. I love listening to professor Lennox if he it isnt a discussion with scientists etc.
On listening to you for the first time today , I find you certainly have a way of simplifying whst has been said.
THANK YOU. 👍
Shame he talks so much rubbish though
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One man's trash( rubbish) is another man's treasure
Too bad many a pearl ( of great price) is cast before swine
At the end of the book of Judges it says,"and each man did what was right in his own mind." And that was a very bad time.
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Hits hard doesn't it
@@Ilovegod540that's a bar. Even people who don't know exactly what happened can feel the weight of those words
I was raised in church so when I was old enough to go out into the world I was surprised and discouraged to find that people are being taught that there is no good and no right and wrong only decisions and consequences
Nevertheless, GOD! TRUTH! 🙏
That is so very sad.
I actually think that decision and consequences are manifestations of Him. See, he has woven this into the fabric of our universe and it ALWAYS works.
That's essentially what Douglas Wilson teaches in regards to the confederacy's love of white supremacy and American slavery.
For years, I have thought that most people’s god is in their mirror. I often ask the Lord to help me to follow Him and not go my own way. Thank you Lord for your mercy and unmerited grace for me a sinner. What does take my sins away, nothing but the blood of Jesus. 🎶
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We are spending too much time looking at it.
Your worst enemy is YOU and THEN the debil 😂
Praise Jesus❤
Hi from South-Africa. Enjoying the program with John Lennox. Such a wise gentle man.
I’m a young preacher and as I develop my understanding of scripture better and am introduced to more deep Christian thinkers, I’m blown away. I was just recently introduced to Hess and I’ve never heard of the Lennox thinker but I’m going to add him to my book list in my library.
@@spiritman-em4qr hmm. And what would it mean to have a wizard who is a literary fictional character meant to represent an angel and or Christ within the Lord of the Rings series? What would it mean to use that fact as a door to begin a conversation about Christ as a way to evangelize to the lost? Please tell me what it means for a minister to have a wizard as an avatar picture.
@@spiritman-em4qr if your referring to Leviticus 19:31 where God forbids the Israelites from seeking “wizards” then I would say you might wanna study up on your scholarship as the word actually translates more to necromancy and spiritualists. Neither of which the character of Gandalf is. In fact, Gandalf is seen more as a Shepherd/ Pastoral figure within the book series and films and has had many scholars examine the usage of the character as a literary means of presenting the idea of a pastor or priest to the films at large.
@@GandalfTheBased your response is just perfect.
Yeah. Well watch David K. Bernard videos and understand God is not a trinity.
As well. Women should not be Preachers. There is no proper theology called right hand of fellowship etc.
Anyways. Go to a man of God who knows the difference between titles baptism and baptism in the title-name-title of Lord Jesus Christ.
Full submersion. Man of God says: I baptize you in the title-name-title of Lord Jesus Christ for the remission of sin.
Means Matthew 28 v19 is fully understood with Acts 2 v38 and Acts 19 v5 which agree with John 3 v5 and Mark 16 v16
Lord Jesus Christ means Jesus is Father and Son and Holy Spirit per John 8 v58 and Revelation 1 v8 and Isaiah 45 v15 and Hosea 13 v4 and Isaiah 43 v11 etc
@@spiritman-em4qr As someone who has studied the differences between fictional wizards and the wizards of the occult, I can assure you that they aren’t the same. While many things are similar, there are huge differences between the two. In the instance of Gandalf, within the framework of the story written by the author, Gandalf is (more or less) an angel given a specific mission by the Divine Ruler of the novels universe. Other than having supernatural abilities (like that of what we see angels having in scripture) and admittedly others, Gandalf is depicted as being the “Angel of Light” in the series. His abilities are not reflective of the occult rituals you’re probably familiar with (like the ones found in Wicca, Gnosticism, and other occult practices. Any similarities between the two in as far as the character is concerned, is more in tune with what is within Christian thought as the more pure “version” of it if you will. A simple way of looking at this would examining the intention of God banning Israel from pursuing necromancy or anything of the sort. It is not due to the concept that Israel is to not commune with the divine realm (or else they would not be communing with God), but that with other spirit that are evil, you can’t trust the source. With God you can trust what He tells you. But attempting to reach out to the demonic forces who hate you will result in your destruction. But clearly, by virtue of the original Edenic model, mankind is supposed to have a communal relationship with the divine realm. That is we are originally meant to walk with God and will again in the New Heaven and Earth. But the occult flips this and reaches out to spiritual entities that are not of our realm. Who have no care for humanity and only seek our destruction.
I had actually viewed the Lennox-Petersen video a number of days prior to your exposition and found it wonderful. Thank you for highlighting the salient points of the discussion. No matter how hard the world tries, it will never bury truth, especially when Jesus Christ is the embodiment of all truth. Pilate had the same problem. Keep up the good work. Jesus is Lord!!
"Absolute power corrupts absolutely..." comes from the same guy (before Tolkien) that said "The principles of Christianity, well engraved in the heart, would be infinitely stronger than this honor of monarchies, these human virtues of republics..." Montesquieu.
There's a variation of this saying that I've heard which I think is quite insightful. "Power reveals." The ability to do whatever you want leads to the revelation of what it is you've always wanted to do. In humans, this pretty much always leads to corruption. It's not because of the power itself, but because the human heart is corrupt. God has ultimate power, but that power does not corrupt Him. In His case, His ultimate power reveals His ultimate justice.
Excellent point. As a side issue, consider:
God is omnipotent (all-powerful), therefore He can do anything logically possible.
He desires all men to be saved and come to a knowledge of the truth (1 Tim. 2:4).
Yet all men are not saved.
Therefore, we must freely allow Him to save us, otherwise we will not be saved.
Therefore, 5-point Calvinism is false (Irresistible Grace is not true).
And Universalism is also false (all will not be saved).
For although God is all-powerful and desires _all_ to be saved, He cannot _force_ anyone to _freely_ surrender to Him, for that is logically impossible.
That’s if God decides we deserve him
@@MacNCheezeWhizGod has already decided we don’t “deserve” him. Hence, Jesus.
To say “deserve” is misguided though - it’s too easy to assume you mean multiple things by your statement.
Do we deserve God’s judgement? Yes. Yet, does God love us still? Yes. So if we deserve justice, yet God still loves us, what does it mean to deserve God?
I don’t know for sure what you mean, but I think in a simple sense, no one is righteous, yet God loved the world so much he sent Jesus to be the propitiation for the sins of the whole world, and that propitiation is especially realised by those who chose to believe and are therefore reconciled to God by forgiveness through Jesus’ atoning sacrifice.
Thank God,
Undeserving Sinner (saved by grace through faith)
But the quote about absolute power is Lord Acton.
I could listen to a conversation of these two men for hours!
Pray for Mr Peterson's salvation! ❤️🙏❤️
I'm not following 🤔
He has come to see his wife healed by a miracle . I think he has come to recognize his need for God. Has he accepted Jesus as his Lord and Savior?
Not sure even many professing Christians have.
@@heidibrown997He has not accepted Jesus as his Lord and Savior, no. He knew his need for God before his wife was sick.
@@bufficliff8978you don’t accept god he accepts you .
Yes, for years; granny prayers for Jordon Peterson, with much respect for his freewill and rights of conscience! 🙏💙
Isaiah 5:20-23
Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter
21 Woe unto them that are wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!
22 Woe unto them that are mighty to drink wine, and men of strength to mingle strong drink:
23 Which justify the wicked for reward, and take away the righteousness of the righteous from him!
Thank you weirdly this word and passage has been appearing everywhere, when I start questioning certain things or some preachers here.
I think I better stick to reading my HB myself. So many are tricky with their rewording of certain play on words.
John Lennox, I'm looking forward to hear what he has to say👍
Just viewed this clip. I am praising God that HE is Holy,and Transcendent 🙏
Hi from Florida. Love your show. We need more of breaking down the truth from the lies. Thank you and God bless you and your family.
I recently saw a video with Richard Dawkins and Alex O’Conner. In the conversation he said that he had never had a debate with an intelligent, reasonable theist. At no time had there been an argument that was well thought out and reasonable. Having watched Lennox-Dawkins debates, I was both surprised and not surprised by his lack of respect and complete hubris. Lennox is a masterful speaker and has only improved over time.
I saw that video and thought the same thing
Lennox is my favorite of all time. The man is brilliant and I've yet to see him get stumped by anyone.
He is literally a Godsend sn't her.❤
I hope and pray that he will be with us for quite a long time. The world needs him.
LOL
If I say God doesn’t exist. What can he say about that? I think I stumped him… 🤔
@@mattikaronen7728 He can say your proposition is foolish. I think you stumped him not.
I couldn’t wait to watch this interview and listen to 2 of some of the greatest thinkers of our time. Peterson always makes me think, oh but Lennox is Nourishment to my soul. 🥰
Thank you for this, Mr. Sala! I also watched that whole interview of Dr. Lennox and there were so many sobering reminders for us Christians as to why God keeps standards of conduct in His Word for His people to follow. Those were more than just guard rails that many of us misconstrue as Godʼs 'killjoy' methods towards people who want to 'enjoy' life. As the perfect Father and Lord Himself, God puts those commands in place for us to actually live life to the full in His presence.
I think that with all these things said well about the amoral state of the dominant liberal culture today, God is allowing all these ignorance and rebellion to show before all of us what our folly could bring about consequentially. In our capacity for free choices, the Lord is teaching us a lesson that we can never truly realize what it means to live well without Him.
Please, keep doing these, pastor. Your videos are helpful reflection points for personal study and even discipleship discussion points in groups.
God bless you and your ministry!
#SoliDeoGloria
It was great to watch the entire conversation between these two great minds.
It indeed was!
Thank you ❤for bringing this wonderful teaching / conversation with Jordan Peterson and John Lennox... to the attention of us all. The OUGHTNESS.... OUGHT TO COME FROM ABOVE!
Eats fruit. Becomes arbiter of good and evil for himself. Raises his subjective reality to the level of objective. All things only God can or should. That’s how I understood it, and I’m hearing it echoed in Peterson.
One of the ways we become our own “god” is we make up our own laws of good and evil and walk perfectly in them because we are never wrong and we judge others based on how they relate to us through that lens; they all fail. We also disagree with Gods laws where they do it line up with ours, we end up with salad bar religion.
It’s pure narcissisim.
get real. Eve had sex with a Nodite and conceived Cain. Adam voluntarily ate the same fruit and conceived a child as well. "NAKED" is the clue. Was Trump CHOSEN BY GOD to rebuild the Temple in Jerusalem so the Sanhedrin can renew their rituals of smoke and blood for the remission of our sins and FINALLY NEGATE Jesus and the cross? 100's of millions deceived. Matthew 24: 24. So MANY so horribly taught.
I have been so deeply enriched by your videos/commentaries/reviews. Can’t thank you enough! Oh wait! I can join your patreon!
This has become my favorite channel. It is so wonderful to be built up by something.
7:57 “Happiness is neither without us nor within us. It is in God, both without us and within us.” Blaise Pascal
LOVE John Lennox. CS Lewis, my favourite author, warned us about this long ago in 'The Abolition of Man.' (To be followed up with 'The Ransom Trilogy.')
So tired of hearing celebrities say “my truth”.
😂as if???!!!
Wow!!! Very eye opening. I greatly admire Dr John Lennox. Thank you soooo much for the information on this video!!!
Two beautiful minds. Blessing indeed
i love John Lennox..I have seen him preach live at my church in Cape Town. Read some books.....He is such an inspiration :-) Jesus bless him
I have never heard that the tree of knowledge of good and evil was the idea that morality is subjective and, in essence, puts us on a path of becoming our own god. It can be seen today in our society with lbgt movement, feminist movement, CRC movement, and even in many charismatic and progressive "christian" movements.
Absolutely correct! 👵🏽✌🏾💜
The WEF and WHO ALSO!
Insightful, God's government is based on selfless love . Satan's government is based on love of self . When Adam and Eve fell there nature made a u turn back to themselves now they naturally became selfish and in need of a savior . We have a choice to worship God or self .
@@larrycraig3295 Yep. In breaking of God's Word they show us what our sin is actually like. God knew we would break it, the same way as two year old children. In the disobedient action of breaking the Word of God to us we have a pale picture that becomes fully focussed at the cross of Jesus, whom John calls the Word that became flesh and lived among us. At the cross, every sin known is exposed: putting God on trial, issuing judgement against God, misplaced and false piety, betrayal, disfiguring God's Word till it is unrecognisable, false friends, fear, cruelty, presenting lies as truth, condemning on half truth, ignoring the obvious, mass hysteria, false empathy, jealousy, hopelessness, spiritual blindness, riots, anger, cowardice, deliberate miscarriage of justice, abuse of power, appeasement, taking offense when shown we are wrong, corporate murder, self deception of the protagonists, assumed absolute power, glee in the spectacle of inflicted pain, mocking, false healing to deaden pain, overkill, and unashamed self agrandissement. We cannot have our own way without committing most of these sins. No-one likes this level of exposure, which is why we hate the idea of an absolute God who has standards that we cannot reach without Him. It is easy to point to this in other people, which is why some in gross error choose to blame the Jews for the turn of events. But they were the only people with the credentials to carry out the sacrifice and when we look closer and see ourselves in the crowd and listen to the Words of Jesus to us, then there is the possibility that we will be thrown from our own false throne and won over by the magnificent power of grace and mercy extended to us who only deserve the worst. But we will also see the hand of God the Father behind this. Words express Ideas and we need to understand the words and the idea that they carry. This, for me, is the clearest but still incomplete and weak, expression of the Trinity of God which we see in the very first verses of scripture. The corruption of language corrupts the way we communicate. Our ideas expressed through words and dependent on the understanding that our hearers have is I think one of the ways we are made in God's image, but the words we often speak are without the weight of the Truth from God. The absolutely amazing thing is that God used the imperfect people, whom He had chosen, given them the Law in Words and prepared them through the sacrificial system of innocent lambs to abhor the sins that they committed and then tested them through the fire of the Greek mistreatments after their humiliation in Babylon and before the Roman invasion, to carry out this sacrifice for our salvation. There is no other creature in creation that can commit sin, only men with free will, and by that free will then having the potential ability to corrupt every environment around them, spiritual, relationships and physical. We can hear God's voice of anger and frustration at those whom He chose and guided through 3,000 years of history throughout the pages of scripture, but God never gives up on His promises to them, whether in blessing them or by punitive actions by their enemies to bring them back on course. God still keeps those promises, which throws us onto God's goodness. But the really humbling thing that we see in the Law is that if a man was to claim he was God, then the law required that man to be put to death, without adding a mitigating clause that if the man actually is God He should be believed. But how else would the sacrifice have been made? God even told His people on many different occasions that He would come. So the cross had to happen to show us the ugly horror and incurable nature of the gods we become when we set ourselves in opposition to God, and how grossly offensive that idolatry is to God, even when dressed up in the imperfect goodness' we are doing to tell God we don't need Him, failing to recognise that He is the source of what we know in our hearts is the right thing, action or words for each occasion. We would still be in our sins without hope of redemption if the event of Jesu's crucifixion and resurrection, central to our history, had not happened. So when we go back to the place where we thought we had buried Him and listen again to the Words that will never die we discover this is our only hope and through the holy Spirit bringing Understanding of God's Word, by showing us God Himself incarnated as the perfect man Jesus on the cross for our sin, offering us peace and forgiveness, will surprise us with a joy that will last for eternity. Such a relief to hand the burden that only God can carry back to Him.
Morality is only subjective, if we try to become our own god and reject transcendence from above. Human need moral laws from a all-knowing and righteous God. Look at the mess humanity is in now.
When ever I see and hear this great Man, it puts the smile on my face.
May YHWH bless him with a long healthy life, because we need his brilliant mind.
I just love him.
No, you don't need his brilliant mind. You need the Holy spirit and the revaltion of Jesus Christ.
@@SuperFacecloth Yes, we do - people do.
Thank God, I have the Holy Spirit in me and Jesus Christ revealed in me, but I don't have THAT kind and amount of knowledge or platform to access that many people, to give them important information and teach them how to defend Jesus and Bible.
They do.
I know why I wrote that.
@@SuperFacecloth How else can those who question, and without clear knowledge, come to understand the mind of our creator... if they do not have someone to teach them?
The N.T. stories written by the disciples are _needed_ and were preserved for us to learn from their experiences.
John Lennox follows the word of God and expounds on it's revelations for us to gain greater understanding.
I think you are splitting hairs on the word "NEED".
People NEED teachers, pastors, etc... or they might be led astray.
But I wholeheartedly agree with you, we first and foremost NEED the Holy Spirit and Jesus Christ... and then we must seek out the truth.
May God bless him with eternal life in Christ Jesus!
So we become accurate about the mercy we need, and so vague about the implications of it being granted. Time to plead: “Lord, I believe; help my unbelief!”
These are two of my favorite thinkers. Jordan Peterson and John Lennox. I would love to hear a lot more from both of them
We need more teachers like you in our schools.
Nope.
That was excellent! Thank You. I just found your channel and subscribed. John Lennox is my favorite. Jordan Peterson I truly enjoy, though I feel he's still finding his way in Christ, as we all are in one form or another, where we're needing to learn to let go of ourselves and the preconceptions we've brought along with us, or inherited from our backgrounds. Where in actuality we need to receive our ultimate authority from The Creator, our one True source for objectivity. And, HIS revelation about HIMSELF in JESUS CHRIST!
Blessings,
Awaiting HIS Return,
Walter
Excellent comment support from the Pastor, thank you ! 🖐️👏
This refreshes my mind, heart, and soul. Thank you.
This has been a link in time. I have viewed this last Easter and the celebrations and on a hard look i see that we, myself included, have treated the Cricifixtion on a temporal basis and neglected the spiritual in the Cricifixtion. I have asked the Holy Spirit to guide me in understanding what this is. This session has given me a start to the study. Thank you.
First time listening in. You have struck at the heart of what is wrong with America! HOLY BIBLE taken out of the public schools, not legally, in the early 1960's. TRUTH did not change! TRUTH Forever! 🙏
I saw the thumbnail for this video and thought, "Gosh, that looks so much like Nata Sala" so I clicked on the video and it was you! Really enjoyed this commentary (excellent use of the word "axiomatic"). 😊
Loved this video!! And also what you shared at the end about the 3 statements/propositions you discussed with your students - a very practical and great way to segue into discussions about transcendence.
Thank you for this clip of two marvelous minds.
Good! Enjoyed!
Definately true too!
God Bless and Love you all.
Amen Glory to God in the Highest level of Love forever. ❤❤❤
Yes, I also heard is school 'Absolute power corrupts absolutely'. I loved this video. I agree with all of it! Thanks for the book recommendation Paul Gould/Cultural Apologetics.
Thank you Pastor, God Bless.
Your videos and insights are super helpful. Thank you.
Thank you Jesus for truth and brilliant minds in this age
Excellent viedo thank you for these giants of WISDOM
It might just be me, but everytime I hear Peterson speak I learn a new word..
Remember when Jesus said, who is good? Only God is good. We as humans will never truly understand what is good or even what is truly evil. We get glimpses of good and evil at times.
Even before Cain kills Abel, Adam and Eve defy God which is similar to dishonoring thy Father; the first commandment with promise.
The Bible is awesome, how everything fits together.
I'm just wondering if this is what humanists are attempting to address: "There is no God but everyone can be 'good' to each other."
Also, it's great to hear my fellow Northern Ireland accent from John Lennox!
New sub...great way to supplement my day with mental exercise!
Just came across your channel and I am grateful ❣️New sub here.
Thank you! I started to listen to Mr. Lennox & Peterson’s discussion initially but got a headache and stopped!😂(Was not great for my self esteem…kinda over my head esp. with Spanish having been my primary language most my life.)
Nothing new under the Son! We were made to be with, depend and worship only on Him❤️
Excellent, thank you! Have subscribed and liked
This was a great interview. The one problem I see for Jordan is that I think he truly knows what it means to follow Jesus (more than most) and I can't speak for certain but I believe he knows what comes with that, once you say it out loud and he's just not ready for that. Like most do
I think Jordan Peterson is mainly concerned with trying to build softer hearts so the seculars that follow him and laugh at John Lonnex will realize how real and powerful the Bible is, and how masterfully is it written by the Lord to be beyond any work of fiction they’ve read.
God has literally done this with the Jews of today by hiding Jesus’ name/face, but foretelling his true coming to the Jews/Rabbis who do seriously follow the Old Testament, but cannot comprehend the New Testament.
Jordan Peterson’s biggest fear isn’t his career or likability. It’s him failing to keep people away from Hell.
Thank you. And to Jordan Peterson and John Lennox!
Great to see that Peterson gave this a shout out on twitter.
I love ❤ the message. True facts.
Nate, love your content God bless.
Siners we are ... pray and have strong faith on our Lord Jesus Christ ✝️ ❤️ ✝️
We have proven time and time again through humanity, we NEED an authority beyond us to set objective standards.
Were I able to spend time on the internet without blurring clarity, I would certainly join. Thank you ❤
FYI I created a community post with a link to this video. This is what I wrote to go with it.
This is my take on this video:
God decides moral value. But we must hear and believe. He gave it to Moses in the Law. But Moses and his descendants twisted it for their benefit through time and use. I must conclude that, because "the law came by Moses, but truth by Jesus." John 1. Jesus gave us the true Law, let’s say, or the true contract of behavior. So what was that?
“This is the covenant that I shall make with the house of Israel in that day. I will put my laws into their minds, and write them in their hearts…” Heb 8:10
Does that mean we know the law automatically? Does it not take God doing the writing on our hearts and minds? We can’t simply know what’s right and wrong by our own intuition, but only by the influence of God. So what we have to do is yield to God. That’s how we know what the ‘law of righteousness,’ let’s say, is.
The law is a schoolmaster teaching you to stay within the bounds of morality until you have a mature, discernible connection with God who will lead you more perfectly.
The “ought” is found in John 13!!!! This places us a servant, the greatness in God’s kingdom
Greatest guest Jordan Peterson has ever hosted 🙌
Absolute power corrupts absolutely!
@@bobs182 You're assuming there is a god
14:31 no. Because we have the power to think. We decide what’s good or evil. And we have different views.
Having a moral compass is difficult for self centered selfish lawless people.
Evil wants us to sin, if we repent after being lead to sin. Acknowledging our actions mistakes taking responsibility and try not to sin again.
God almighty forgives us
Just discover your channel, excellent!
THIS IS THE VERY FIRST TIME I'VE WATCH YOU, I WILL CONTINUE WATCHING YOU AS LONG AS YOU STAY IN THE BIBLE, OVER THE YEAR'S, I'VE SEEN A LOT OF MINISTER USING THE BIBLE AND TWISTING IT AROUND TO CONVENCE YOU WHAT YOU WANT IT TO MEAN TO OTHER'S, IM REALY INTO THE WORD OF GOD, IM IN LOVE WITH THE MESSAGE HE HAS FOR HUMANITY, BUT YOU KNOW THAT EVEN SATAN KNEW JUST WHAT JESUS LOOK LIKE IN HIS SPIRIT, BUT YOU KNOW NOT EVEN SATAN KNEW THAT JESUS LOOKED LIKE IN THE FLESH, BUT PRAISE BE TO GOD FOR HIS SON JESUS TAKEN ON MY SIN'S AT THE CROSS.
Fantastic! ❤ Thank Nate
"My Right to Myself"--Oswald Chambers.
Religion and Grace are Different
Religion: What man does to earn merit or favor with God.
Grace: What God does to provide salvation freely to man.
Religious Christianity counts church attendance, prayer, good works, tithing, and confession among the long list of ways man can earn favor with God or satisfy God’s wrath toward them.
Grace Christianity depends solely upon the finished work of Jesus Christ to both attain eternal life, and to atone for our sins.
Religion is a habit of virtue that gives to God what is his😊
Thanks for doing this.
I fully agree with John Lennox that “ought-ness” should come from above. Mankind first sinned by breaking God's command that they not eat of the forbidden fruit. When mankind sinned, we also became LIKE God, knowing good and evil, which God Himself confirmed. As suggested by a recent commentary on the book of Genesis(1), “knowing good and evil" in the original language can also mean determining good and evil. In this light, ever since this first sin, mankind has been determining for ourselves what constitutes good and what constitutes evil. Importantly, notice that for Eve, "knowing good and evil" was not the consequence of the first recorded sin, but rather its cause: for even before Eve ate from the forbidden tree she had determined that the tree was "good for food," and that eating of the forbidden fruit was "desirable to make one wise." Thus, she had the ability to make value judgments even before she ate from the forbidden tree. Then after she and Adam ate, they hid from God and told Him that it was because they were naked, and by implication, that their nakedness was "not good", or something about which to be ashamed. God's questions in reply are revealing: "Who told you that you were naked? Have you eaten from the tree of which I commanded you that you should not eat?" Think about it: if Adam and Eve were not determing for themselves good/bad or desirable/undesirable, then someone must have told them that their nakedness was not good or shameful. On the other hand, if they were coming up with their own value system, then no one would need to have told them that their nakedness was not good. Notice that becoming “LIKE the Most High” was Lucifer’s own ambition as recorded in Isaiah 14, and consider this verse which appears twice in the book of Proverbs: "That which seems right unto a man, the end thereof are the ways of death."
(1) 2019. Prager D. The Rational Bible: Genesis: God, Creation, and Destruction. Telushkin J, ed. Excerpt from page 59: In the Torah, the phrase “good and evil” (“good and bad” in this [quoted] translation) can mean “everything.” It can also mean moral free will …. And, as the serpent correctly noted, “knowing good and evil” can also mean being the one who determines what is good and what is evil. That is what is meant by this verse by “man has become like one of us, knowing good and evil.”
Bless you man!👍😊
Thanks wise disciple for explaining this conversation in layman terms, i love Jordan Petersen, but most of the times ,i need to replay multiple times to decipher his message
Yes I get it I do agree. a video to let me know what you need me to do
The tree of good & evil was the Law... Sin became strong because of the Law. Jesus took away the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us. Jesus is the Tree of Life, when we take Him, His blood & body we have eternal life. Rom.6:23; 5-8... Enjoy: With Christ in Paradise, Carried by the angels, Lo! I am with you always 💯 th Chris Phally channel video on UA-cam... Psalm 91 praise prayer song, Let God supply. Thank you for your great encouragement with some top thinkers of the day. 😊
Listening to Peterson was like he was talking nonsense but God bless John Lennox, certainly God’s Spirit is in him. A brilliant mind as you rightly say.
It's because Peterson is steeped in psychiatric gobbledy gook. I think that makes it difficult for him to step away from his psychological reasoning and come to Jesus with a child like faith as Jesus instructed.
I can't speak for Peterson but Lennox is as deluded as ever.
This is why I am so thankful that I was born into and raised in a strong Catholic family! We are taught from a very young age that morality and the practice of virtue is objective. That truth is one and comes from God above. When Jesus replies to Pilate, 'you would have no power unless it was given to you by my Father,' then that is all the world needs to know! That all things are subject to Him.
Also, we are taught from 1st grade on that truth can not be divided. Since Jesus established the Catholic Church to teach His truth and be the vehicle to transmit His truth down through the ages for man's salvation, then everything the Catholic Church teaches has to be true. If one teaching is false, then all is false, and the whole house crumbles, and salvation is useless and has no meaning or value. There has to be objective truth and morality.
Great video. Thank you
Brother, I wish you all the luck in the world with your channel and I truly appreciate this content but I don't need commentary, I can understand what Dr. Lennox and Dr. Peterson are trying to convey, God bless.
Thanks for this!
Wish i had the money to back you Nate. Love your videos
Lenox has never been bested because he is able to remain calm, the Holy Spirit within him handles all the controversy.
If Petersen would accept the truth from the Holy Spirit, he would NOT have to struggle so hard with his own words to try to explain, to understand & to convince others of his point.
All of us in the Spirit with John Lennox know the truth of what HE is saying through him.
I have seen this, I love Lennox and Jordan, thank you for you channel. The Eden story is fascinating because why then did God put that tree there then in the first place? And make it so tempting as well? Was it a test? The scripture says God does not temp us, It was part of the plan of mankind's relationship with God.I would love much brighter minds than I will ever have to discuss this.
This interview was a treasure. I only wish peterson could have had Heiser in, it would have been an amazing interview.
I’m a big fan of People like John, I hope to one day follow in his footsteps.
Hence Francis Schaeffer's emphasis on 'The God Who Is There' .
Subjective morality essentially strips good & evil from right & wrong. Now whatever we say is right is right, and whatever we say is wrong, is wrong. The upside down world we currently live in.
❤Jordan Peterson!
Greetings, this is Pastor Mike. BTW: I did Subscribe and Like. Anyway, I saw the entire interview between Dr. Peterson and Dr. Lennox. I've followed (as time allowed) both of them and others for years now. What struck me this time was that it simply was not two people arguing/disagreeing. No! It was us learning and growing!!! Homo-Deus (Man as god) is certainly not the way! One thing that I have discovered in my life (I'm 70 years old), is that "Democracy" is not actually supported in Biblical Scripture. It makes sense when one realizes that the "will of the people" should not be pitted against and/or elevated above the "Will of GOD!" When the people respected and were guided by the Will of GOD, then our Constitutional [Democratic] Republic labored to maintain GOD's National Blessing (I remember that time).
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But, when the People stray from GOD's genuine and timeless truths and doctrines of the ages it has predictable consequences! If the people stray, then we can't be surprised when it rises upwards into government thinking, policy, practices, and procedures. I really believe that it all took hold in earnest during the Age of Enlightenment, during which GOD was demoted below the thinking (and science) of Man. I wrote a treatise about that and published some of it on Substack. Judge Billings Learned Hand had written (paraphrased), If freedom and liberty do not exist in the hearts of the People, then no law, no court, and no government can save it.
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By a similar line of thought, if morality (right & wrong), which is based on GOD's truths and doctrines, is not present in the People, then we're all in trouble (as that condition metastasizes throughout human society). It is supposed to be GOD's Church and His Family Unit(s), operating under His Sovereignty and Jurisdiction, as well as the authority of GOD, as the Word (John 1:1 KJV), which instills such values. In my opinion, view, and judgment (IMOVJ), GOD's Church is a jurisdictionally separate "House of GOD" (Eph. 1:21-23 KJV), that is supposed to operate as a separate "check and balance" (the pulpit being an independent platform to sound GOD's Truths) that keeps humanity from straying into dangerous amoral territory. I'll close with this: It's time for churches to realize the fullness of their true role and for GOD's People to act like GOD's People! The requisite doctrinal knowledge for that needs to be revived. From Pastor Mike Benjamins, Jr. of Oregon, USA. 1-20-24 at 12:59 A.M. Oregon Time. The Remnant Church Truth Ministry. All my standard rules and disclaimers apply.
I think it was one of the better interviews with a Christian Peterson has done, I also thought it was nice when Metaxes was interviewed and told him more than once no you’re wrong.
Thanks for bringing this up! We can know what this tree (of good & evil) was by looking at what man would become after eating of it. The serpent said "you shall be like God" And so the tree of good & evil meant man becoming God! Defining for himself what's wrong & right without looking to God. Man was actually usurping God!
The full quotation is "Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely".
Great video. I agree. Subjective and Conventional morals lead to chaos.
I guess my question is, when I feel personally violated, is that a symptom of a universal law being broken, or is it only my own personal moral code being broken?
Yes i saw the interview. Subjective morality is what Nietzsche discusses in Beyond Good and Evil and more or less where Machiavelli is going in The Prince. Check out Nietzsche's full quote of "God is dead and we have killed him..." This quote continues on to fully describe what humans will do without a transcendent morality.
I hate it when the people you want to hear get constantly interrupted!