Awesome! You can add your own solar panels from just about any brand, but Champion said they should have their branded items coming out early summer when I asked a few weeks ago
All those power units are really nice and handy main problem is no service for them ya you got the options to send them back somewhere to being told " warranty doesn't cover this or that or warranty is void because of this or that I'll keep my Hondas gensets I can go to any honda dealership if I have a problem and for the camp grounds who got too sensitive ears I'll go to the next one
Sure, they are not for every situation, I get that. But, there are few options like this available and they certainly have a purpose and a place. I have all my gas and propane options as well too!
I am a big Champion fan, and have owned three Champion gas generators. When I was shopping for a power station, this Champion unit was one of the first to check out. For me, this unit has a lot of misses and a dealbreaker or two. NMC battery is a dealbreaker. NMC is the most dangerous, least energy density, least cycle life, most self discharge, worse charge efficiency, worse charge rate maximum, etc., of the lithium batteries. In just about every way, LiFePO4 batteries are superior to NMC. Slow AC, DC, and AC+DC charging is also somewhat of a dealbreaker. 440W AC charging is abysmal, and 28V limitation on DC means you can only use with ~20V panels (most common in the 100-200W range) and that means you cannot do series arrangements at all. It has the parallel link to hook to a Champion generator, but no provision to automatically start and stop that generator like Eco Flow does. That is a pretty big miss. No UPS functionality, since the the AC charging rate is so low. No Wifi or BT or app on the phone to monitor/control the unit. The only standout plus on this unit is that you can connect 10 units for up to ~18kWh of total capacity. That is something. However, that is a lot of money per kWh, and it occupies a lot of space for the amount of capacity. For that to be a viable option Champion needs to make battery only units. Champion really needs to study and understand the typical consumer for this sort of product. The AC charge rate maximum needs to be at least 1500W, and that should be via a single connection to the main unit. 1800W would be ideal, which is a 120V, 15A circuit. This is not only to allow an acceptable recharge rate (especially with multiple units), but also for the UPS functionality. DC charging should be 60V minimum. This allows for two panel series combinations of typical 100W, 200W, etc., portable solar panels. Most of them have an open circuit Voltage in the low 20's, so in series they would be in the mid-40's. 75V-80V would be ideal. This means you can have three panels in series and still be safely below the maximum Voltage. Over Voltage is what smokes charge controllers. DC charging of 25A is good. Keep that. DC charging inputs should be on every unit, you parallel whatever is coming in from the array, and each unit can draw whatever current it needs up to what is available at the time and its current limit per the charge controller.
Great explanation. I agree that I wish it would have 1500w of AC in - especially in the event someone is running a gasoline generator; or brings the unit to a grid source to charge as quickly as possible. For me, I don't mind the slow rate given my application for the unit, however I can see how in other situations it's not ideal.
The fan will come on as needed to keep things cool, this is normal. I don't understand your comment about how long should you wait before charging? Most batteries like getting a charge around 20% to full. You can charge at any time however. If you are not using it for more than 6 months, make sure to give it a top off charge every 6 months.
I have not, but the old "it really depends" is applicable here. Are you running A/C, fridge, microwave, or just a few 12V lights and the inverter? This would easily last a full 2 day trip, likely longer; if you ran the fridge on propane and just used the pack for basic lighting, charging your phone, occasional microwave if needed etc.
I couldn't reply to @andrew cunningham but yes you can actually parallel this with any Para Link capable Champion generator. The power station uses about 10watts to run DC/USB and if you have AC power turned off. About 30W with AC on. It will turn off after 4 hours if you use less than 5W of output power -Arty Champion
Can it be para-linked to a gas generator? Can it sully 120V output at the same time as charging from solar or 120V to use it like an uninterruptible power supply? How much power does it use having the output turned on but without draw - does it have a "standby" mode for that?
EDIT: YES you can Para-Link with a gas generator, I called Champion to ask and they will have this kit available in about May of '23. Yes, you can be charging it and using it at the same time. I think the solar feature would be especially useful in this instance. It will go into a standby mode if you don't use it for I believe 3 hours. Otherwise, I believe it only uses a few watts if you just have it turned on with no load
@@andrewcunningham1697 I stand corrected, I contacted Champion and they CAN in fact be para linked with a gasonline generator! They will have a specific stacking kit available late spring!
How many of these can be linked together? Do they have extra batteries to increase the overall capacity? That would be a huge benefit if you could link 3 or 4 additional batteries!
I covered that in the video, but you can Para-Link two together and then get a 30 amp plugin capability for a camper or just a larger current draw. You could also add up to 10 expansion batteries to this unit to essentially 10x the capacity of it
i been eyeballing this baby and now im sold, thanks mike
Nice!
Great product as soon as they come out with the solar panels and stackable extra batteries. And sale.
I just bought the 3500 champion duel fuel due next week.
Awesome! You can add your own solar panels from just about any brand, but Champion said they should have their branded items coming out early summer when I asked a few weeks ago
All those power units are really nice and handy main problem is no service for them ya you got the options to send them back somewhere to being told " warranty doesn't cover this or that or warranty is void because of this or that I'll keep my Hondas gensets I can go to any honda dealership if I have a problem and for the camp grounds who got too sensitive ears I'll go to the next one
Sure, they are not for every situation, I get that. But, there are few options like this available and they certainly have a purpose and a place. I have all my gas and propane options as well too!
What is the price for this bad boy?
I am a big Champion fan, and have owned three Champion gas generators. When I was shopping for a power station, this Champion unit was one of the first to check out. For me, this unit has a lot of misses and a dealbreaker or two. NMC battery is a dealbreaker. NMC is the most dangerous, least energy density, least cycle life, most self discharge, worse charge efficiency, worse charge rate maximum, etc., of the lithium batteries. In just about every way, LiFePO4 batteries are superior to NMC. Slow AC, DC, and AC+DC charging is also somewhat of a dealbreaker. 440W AC charging is abysmal, and 28V limitation on DC means you can only use with ~20V panels (most common in the 100-200W range) and that means you cannot do series arrangements at all. It has the parallel link to hook to a Champion generator, but no provision to automatically start and stop that generator like Eco Flow does. That is a pretty big miss. No UPS functionality, since the the AC charging rate is so low. No Wifi or BT or app on the phone to monitor/control the unit. The only standout plus on this unit is that you can connect 10 units for up to ~18kWh of total capacity. That is something. However, that is a lot of money per kWh, and it occupies a lot of space for the amount of capacity. For that to be a viable option Champion needs to make battery only units.
Champion really needs to study and understand the typical consumer for this sort of product. The AC charge rate maximum needs to be at least 1500W, and that should be via a single connection to the main unit. 1800W would be ideal, which is a 120V, 15A circuit. This is not only to allow an acceptable recharge rate (especially with multiple units), but also for the UPS functionality. DC charging should be 60V minimum. This allows for two panel series combinations of typical 100W, 200W, etc., portable solar panels. Most of them have an open circuit Voltage in the low 20's, so in series they would be in the mid-40's. 75V-80V would be ideal. This means you can have three panels in series and still be safely below the maximum Voltage. Over Voltage is what smokes charge controllers. DC charging of 25A is good. Keep that. DC charging inputs should be on every unit, you parallel whatever is coming in from the array, and each unit can draw whatever current it needs up to what is available at the time and its current limit per the charge controller.
Great explanation. I agree that I wish it would have 1500w of AC in - especially in the event someone is running a gasoline generator; or brings the unit to a grid source to charge as quickly as possible. For me, I don't mind the slow rate given my application for the unit, however I can see how in other situations it's not ideal.
You can’t charge this from a 12 volt outlet in a car?
I suppose you could if you had an inverter plugged into the 12v outlet. Otherwise, it would need solar or 110v power to charge
Have you done a video for the RV use with the champion battery ?
I have not as I have not gone dry camping with it yet. I'm fully confident in it's abilities though. I would not run my A/C with it of course
How do I charge this from a gas propane generator
Hi John, plug it in. ;) It comes with a 120v plug in so just plug that into your gas generator when needed
Does this have pass through charging
I'm not sure I follow. Are you asking if you can use the unit while it's also charging?
how much this one can you send the details
Hi, details are in the video... You can purchase one here: amzn.to/3DiYbaK
10 of the modules would cost about 20 grand.😮
How long does it take to charge with solar if you had 300 watts of solar?
There are a lot of variables as far as your equipment so that's a tough one to try and answer
When u charge the battery, does the fan come on while charging? Also, how low should you wait before charging? I am charging it for the first time.
The fan will come on as needed to keep things cool, this is normal. I don't understand your comment about how long should you wait before charging? Most batteries like getting a charge around 20% to full. You can charge at any time however. If you are not using it for more than 6 months, make sure to give it a top off charge every 6 months.
Hi- Did you do a video with the camper yet? Would love to know how long it would last.
I have not, but the old "it really depends" is applicable here. Are you running A/C, fridge, microwave, or just a few 12V lights and the inverter? This would easily last a full 2 day trip, likely longer; if you ran the fridge on propane and just used the pack for basic lighting, charging your phone, occasional microwave if needed etc.
Does the Champion Inverter station support pass-through charging, it can power your devices while getting charged simultaneously
I have done that several times now, although I'm not certain if the manual says it's recommended or not
how long would that last just running a tv
That would depend on the power draw of the TV. If the tv drew 100 watts, then it would last for about 32 hours straight.
I couldn't reply to @andrew cunningham but yes you can actually parallel this with any Para Link capable Champion generator. The power station uses about 10watts to run DC/USB and if you have AC power turned off. About 30W with AC on. It will turn off after 4 hours if you use less than 5W of output power
-Arty Champion
There you go, directly from the source. Thanks Champion, you guys rock!
Can it be para-linked to a gas generator? Can it sully 120V output at the same time as charging from solar or 120V to use it like an uninterruptible power supply? How much power does it use having the output turned on but without draw - does it have a "standby" mode for that?
EDIT: YES you can Para-Link with a gas generator, I called Champion to ask and they will have this kit available in about May of '23. Yes, you can be charging it and using it at the same time. I think the solar feature would be especially useful in this instance. It will go into a standby mode if you don't use it for I believe 3 hours. Otherwise, I believe it only uses a few watts if you just have it turned on with no load
@@upnorthmike6085 Thanks.
@@andrewcunningham1697 I stand corrected, I contacted Champion and they CAN in fact be para linked with a gasonline generator! They will have a specific stacking kit available late spring!
How many of these can be linked together? Do they have extra batteries to increase the overall capacity? That would be a huge benefit if you could link 3 or 4 additional batteries!
I covered that in the video, but you can Para-Link two together and then get a 30 amp plugin capability for a camper or just a larger current draw. You could also add up to 10 expansion batteries to this unit to essentially 10x the capacity of it
Nice review. Is it supported with an App?
It is not, but the screen is really easy to read on this model