Seriously, people, LeafSpy is incorrectly reporting the mileage because I don't have the "CAN Odometer in Miles" setting turned on, it's not some great conspiracy ua-cam.com/users/shortsEs-ErXTN6XY?feature=share
So the bloke down the pub who says that you can't go anywhere in EVs cos the charging network is useless and in any case the batteries start to deteriorate after 6 months, plus EVs catch fire all the time was wrong.
Just shows the bloke down the pub has been watching to much of the Right Wing nutjobs on the TV at the pub. Brainwashing is simple just add alcohol and a steady supply of propaganda. The Russians worked that out in the time of the USSR and now Putin is using the same formal to send his people to there death in Ukraine. Trump and FOX News in the US is using the same formal to Brainwashing his cult. In Australia it's Dutton and Sky News. Who is it in the UK? The Brainwashing for Brexit was a textbook case.
In my diesel van. I can do 125 miles round trip. 6 days a week. Home charging is difficult for me. So I need my diesel van. I can't sit at Gregg's car park for 1h20mins for top up charge. I am already out the house enough hours.
Based on the Hx=43, unfortunately, the battery is definitely on the way out. The new battery on my former 2018 leaf had Hx of well over 100. Hx is based on the internal resistance of the modules. The 25 mV at SOC of 80+% is also quite high. Luckily the UK winters are mild as the performance would most likely be very poor in winter. Nissan are now doing some very creative calculations of SOH to reduce the warranty claims I guess.
Gary. Bjorn Nyland did a video where he tried to re-balance the battery of a nearly buggered Leaf, don't know how successful it was? Maybe you could fit the equipment needed to get the van set up for V2L/house? At worst it can be a great big energy store! Maybe you could do a camper conversion on it?
Excellent! My 2014 env200 has 103,000 miles on the clock & works 5 days a week. I charge it to 100% twice a day via a granny charger! It shows 77-82 miles fully charged but probably does a bit less. I’d be interested to see what Leaf Spy says about the battery health….
To have a State of Health that good after all those Rapid charges on what appears to be an I’ll advised outdated Always Be Charging policy on a E200/Leaf is quite amazing. Add to that the mileage. What a robust tank it’s proving to be. Happy motoring.
Wow.... some incredible stats Gary! I was impressed with the 83% state-of-health, but taking into the account the number of rapid charges (it must have been permanently plugged in when not in use), that is even more impressive!
To be honest I don't think an old ev like he's in don't charge thar fast. I think they charge at 50kwh which is probably why it's still at 83% state of health
There’s definitely more issues with the 30kWh pack. Should’ve been eligible for warranty replacement at that state though, has she taken it into Nissan?
07:47 "... and at least we know that Nissan are gonna know how to re-gas it..." REALLY...?????? In my 2-year Leaf experience of using my local Nissan dealer, I'd have absolutely NO confidence in "knowing that Nissan are gonna know" anything whatsoever about dealing with it...! 😳
I bought an e-NV200 in 2019 62300 km and 89.63% SOH using Leafspy. The fact that a 300 000km+ still has 83% SOH is very heartening. I am very pleased with the e-NV200 I regularly rent out the van via a car sharing company. I have had 110 rents, basically paying for the running costs. The renters, even Tesla owners, are surprised by how nice the e-NV200 is to drive. Nissan did an excellent job for a first time EV van a pity it is not made anymore. Mechanically it is an excellent car until now I have had only 1 service done including replacing the front tires. SW is another story the map is from 2017 almost impossible to update, finding charging stations with the nav is useless, range estimation is hugely optimistic. It would be wonderful to have Car Play but it's not possible.
@@MikeGleesonazelectrics A friend who owns a furniture store has a 24kWh Evalia he uses it for delivery. He says it is probably one of the best business investments he ever made.
Some of the hospitals in the Northumbria area have Mer charging installations where there is a mix of 7kW AC and, crucially 25kW DC CCS/CHAdeMO chargers. So it's possible that, whilst it's been "rapid" charged frequently, the power has never exceeded 25kW which would likely be a bit easier on the battery.
@@ModernHeroes Interestingly, I've just looked back and see that, at North Tyneside General Hospital for example, they apparently now only have one such 25kW DC charger, but a year or two ago, they definitely had at least 6 or 8 in a row.
It could have had a gentler DC charge life than most Nissans if the trust had their own 25kW Chademo charger. Many dealerships had that type, pole mounted in a big industrial welders box.
Hi, with that mileage and state of health before you told us the number of rapid chargers it had . I would of said that it being a NHS van would have been on a overnight 7 kw charger. Considering it’s had that number of rapid chargers is staggering. I’m amazed there is any life in the battery at all.
Picking up on the point about the aircon service. I used to own a civic hybrid and like all hybrids they share something in common with evs. The oil used in the ac compressor is a special non conductive oil. The reason for this is that if the technician used regular oil in an ev or hybrid ac system they could risk electrocution. For this reason some routine ac charge places like kwik fit won't touch evs or hybrids. Having said that dedicated air con services will as they understand the requirements.
Pretty much all of the fast fit places are perfectly fine servicing AC systems in EV/hybrid - they just charge so much for doing so that the main dealer is just as competitive.
I had a 2021 Nissan Leaf on lease for 3 years.At 8000 miles leaf spy said 92% I paid £99 for an Aviloo battery test.That said 99% ,it could be better than you think.
Maybe the guessometer will behave itself with a few deeper battery discharges and slow re-charging? It looks like it has been abused with all that rapid charging and low use between charges.
.... well done, pretty perfect SOH given the mileage! - imagine if you did another 188kmiles ~70%?, your onto near perfect zero depreciation already 👍👍👍 (I has been plugged in every night to a HV charger, to enable it to travel the rural miles = extra 👍👍)
Top van, top review and no comment as not a expert BUT if it's spent al it's time on a rapid charger a few cycles of home from 10 % to 80% as the Nissan software designs intended maybe ..... anyway love your channel keep up the good work and all the best 😎
I guess the GOM is way out due to so many small journies. A full 100% AC charge and drive, then repeat as you get to 20% or below. Hopefully it will help reset.I think state of health for battery is great seeing it's mileage.
If you have a good BMS with active battery cooling/heating you shouldn't get much ware from rapid charging. That's why the leafs are pretty poor as far as EVs go, due to lack of cooling and in the earlier ones small battery to begin with. But also depends what you need, if you are only going around your local area and old leaf could be a nice cheap option. But if anyone's buying a new car and will do longer trips, make sure it has decent battery cooling and heating and can accept a decent rapid charge.
I may be wrong but I think you can program the T.P.M. sensors on Leaf-spy. Also may find the faulty side that's not working because the original tyre is now on the spare.
@@ModernHeroes We had one in a few weeks ago and that's what happened in that case. We fitted the spare and It picked up the sensor after a few yards, but took 2-3 miles before the wheel gave a reading on the tyre pressure. Good luck
air compressor is just the same as 134a system on belt drive just no belt 12 v i reto fitted one on my ranger to take the strees on the motor when its 38 degrees for weeks
Nissan leaf battery chemistry improve with rapid charging and the Nv 200 has some form of cooling compared to the leaf. My old nissan leaf SOH goes up every time after a rapid charge. If the range decreases faster towards the end it means there are weak cells in the pack. Drain the battery to under 10 % and check the cells report on leaf spy ,there you would see the bad cells that pull the rest of the pack at low SOC.
Looking at Leafspy, it looks like a couple of balance charges and deep discharges would do wonders, with a 25mV out of balance and nearly 6000 Rapid charges and only 32 AC charges. Edit - sorry posted this before you noticed it...
Maybe the vehicle was not used constantly all day and was used for quick pick-ups or delivery and would be put on rapid charge every time it came back to keep a big charge when needed, hence the large number of rapid charges.
This exactly, HX of 40 something is showing allot of wear, resistance is high. I bet the QC wont show high speeds charging the battery and the mV spread during driving 50 mph and then accelerate to 70 will be huge. This battery isnt in good health.
In the video LeafSpy is displaying only 116895 miles which is rather odd, it's always been spot on when I used it in the past. Correct Vin No. for the Reg though so a little strange. BTW I'm not doubting what you say about the mileage done as its all on the MOT History. Are they WestWay Nissan Plates on it? It looks like a Birmingham Registration.
(350.8 km + 3 km) * 208 Wh/km = 73.6 kWh Bjorn says that SOH can’t be trusted from the OBD2 port and yes it’s likely to read differently depending on SOC. So he changes to 100% then runs it very low in the case above to 3km left then calculates as above to give the current kWh of the battery.
Found a 2015 press release where this trust was running the older model 24kWh ENV200. Suspect the charging habits they needed to have with those carried over.
Would the range be different if you only did local short trips.. your first experience was doing higher speeds on a motorway so surely wouldn’t be getting a very high miles/kwh.. interesting to know if much difference?
I think you need to get a Nissan dealer to set the charging cycle count as it's never been done and you'll find the rapid charge count will be very low, If you divide the total miles done by the rapid charge number it will show hardly any miles per charge which does not make sense.
Given several hospitals in the area it was being used have DC chargers it’s pretty feasible that it was being plugged in every time it was parked up whether it needed to charge or not
The odometer reading in the app is taking the 188k miles and converting it as if it were in km. there’s a setting that can be enabled to correct this, I’ve since found out.
The local authority here keeps all EVs on charge when not in use. Drive it five miles, put it on charge. The cars are always at 100%. Caused by not understanding how EVs work, plus range anxiety.
@@johnosullivan675 Nissan Leafs don't do that, not the current ones they operate. In any case charging to 80% stops the cells balancing. You can't do that indefinitely or you end up with big differences between some of the cells that may require a manual rebalancing as the differences arte too great for the BMS to handle.. Thats why modern EVs want to go to 100%.
It’s converting the odometer reading to miles as if it’s in km even though it is already in miles. There’s a setting that I haven’t enabled that fixes this, it seems.
I'm probably misunderstanding something but does LeafSpy (5:35 min) report the 'odo = 116k miles' instead of 188k miles in your title? Whatever the number, 83% SoH is amazing after 5,000+ rapid charges!
The odometer is definitely 188,124 *miles* - I’m not sure why LeafSpy is incorrectly assuming it’s km and converting it but I’ve seen it do the same with another high mileage Leaf so I assume it’s a bug.
The QC count will increment every time a charging session starts no matter how long it’s charging for or what the SoC % is - it could’ve been being plugged in every time it was parked up regardless of whether it actually needed to charge or not.
I’m not sure this is the best example of that - if it was really being charged so frequently then it was doing so little mileage between charges that it wouldn’t have been going through the same stress as continually rapid charging from low% to high%
Am I right in thinking the last part of a rapid charge is at a slower speed anyway? So perhaps charging at a relatively slow rate even though connected to a rapid charger.
So the van is a 2018 and therefore is 6 years old and has been rapid charged almost 6000 times. That’s 1000 times a year or almost 3 times every day? Make you wonder how they found the time to drive 188,000 miles, when it must spent a lot of time plugged in! Make me wonder if the rapid charging number is leaf spy is giving you is correct.
I enjoy all your vlogs but would get more out of them if you quoted prices. In the first video you didnt say what you paid for the Nissan and now you are talking about re gassing the aircon at a Nissan dealer because its just as cheap as elsewhere but again no prices quoted. Not a big issue just constructive feedback
AC service (which includes a replacement cabin filter and antibacterial treatment) is £155 inc vat - it’s £135/£145 just for the regas at most of the fast fits. ATS noticeably cheaper at £96 via Groupon but they say that pricing doesn’t apply to EV/Hybrid. (It uses R1234yf gas like pretty much all modern vehicles, so the days of a £50 regas are gone!)
@@ModernHeroes I'm impressed either way, MOT mileage would just have been read from the dashboard by the technician. If it was in Km he would think it was miles and entered that onto the system. This is a little mystery.
@@ModernHeroes After a quick search it does seem leafspy has issues reading the odometer accurately. Apparently you can enable "CAN odometer in miles" in settings to resolve if that's useful. keep up the good work.
If you Listen to the armchair bullshitters you would think these Evs batteries will have to be replaced after a few thousand miles im sure if it was a diesel or petrol you would have spent an awful lot more on it after doing all that of miles
Battery health is not the issue. If they truly are good beyond 100k then the manufacturer needs to warranty the batteries beyond this milage. That and real world data. Once many EVs are sold going beyond 10 years and 100k you will have ur answer. Until then ur welcome to buy and be the looser. Just don’t cry and make videos about it
The average age of scrapped cars in the UK is 16. The average distance per year is 7400 miles. So cars are scrapped at 118k miles.... The car is obsolete long before the battery......but. because there's no exhaust, catalyst converter, egr valve, timing belt, starter motor, spark plugs, fuel pump, radiator, turbo, O2 sensor, head gasket, oil system etc they should last much longer ❤
Hi what your suggesting is exactly what MG have introduced on the new going forward Ev’s. A life time guarantee on the battery. The only stipulation is it has to be serviced annually to keep the warranty which is no different to any other manufacturer. Hopefully other manufacturers will follow suit .
Seriously, people, LeafSpy is incorrectly reporting the mileage because I don't have the "CAN Odometer in Miles" setting turned on, it's not some great conspiracy ua-cam.com/users/shortsEs-ErXTN6XY?feature=share
Yep, it's doing a conversion to miles because it defaults to the vehicles odometer reporting in km's, even though it hasn't been measuring in km's
So the bloke down the pub who says that you can't go anywhere in EVs cos the charging network is useless and in any case the batteries start to deteriorate after 6 months, plus EVs catch fire all the time was wrong.
Just shows the bloke down the pub has been watching to much of the Right Wing nutjobs on the TV at the pub. Brainwashing is simple just add alcohol and a steady supply of propaganda. The Russians worked that out in the time of the USSR and now Putin is using the same formal to send his people to there death in Ukraine. Trump and FOX News in the US is using the same formal to Brainwashing his cult. In Australia it's Dutton and Sky News. Who is it in the UK? The Brainwashing for Brexit was a textbook case.
Bet it’s not the only thing he has knowledge issues on perhaps
No, he's just an idiot.
In my diesel van. I can do 125 miles round trip. 6 days a week.
Home charging is difficult for me. So I need my diesel van.
I can't sit at Gregg's car park for 1h20mins for top up charge. I am already out the house enough hours.
is that Geoff Buys Cars or the Macmeister :)
On the grounds it's only done 32 AC charges I'd give it a few 100% AC charges to let the BMS top balance the cells.
It looks like it was rapid changed at the end of every shift.
@@neillgatley8770 1 DC charge/end of shift ? 5500 DC charges/day means nearly 15 years weekends included.
Real DC charges was ~ 3/day
I think 83% is good for the mileage. It should be able to do another 100,000 miles. Look forward to more videos.
Based on the Hx=43, unfortunately, the battery is definitely on the way out. The new battery on my former 2018 leaf had Hx of well over 100. Hx is based on the internal resistance of the modules. The 25 mV at SOC of 80+% is also quite high.
Luckily the UK winters are mild as the performance would most likely be very poor in winter. Nissan are now doing some very creative calculations of SOH to reduce the warranty claims I guess.
Gary. Bjorn Nyland did a video where he tried to re-balance the battery of a nearly buggered Leaf, don't know how successful it was?
Maybe you could fit the equipment needed to get the van set up for V2L/house? At worst it can be a great big energy store!
Maybe you could do a camper conversion on it?
Excellent! My 2014 env200 has 103,000 miles on the clock & works 5 days a week. I charge it to 100% twice a day via a granny charger! It shows 77-82 miles fully charged but probably does a bit less. I’d be interested to see what Leaf Spy says about the battery health….
Excellent content. My i3 will allow 4500 charge cycles apparently, good! As I’m 65 and intent to drive it until they take my license away! 👍
Very good going for that mileage! I had a 2016 bmw i3 until early this year with 53k miles on the clock and it had 95% state of health on it!
To have a State of Health that good after all those Rapid charges on what appears to be an I’ll advised outdated Always Be Charging policy on a E200/Leaf is quite amazing. Add to that the mileage. What a robust tank it’s proving to be. Happy motoring.
Hi. Question why does leaf spy show 116k miles ? and the clock show 188k miles is it just coincidence that 116miles equals 188km ??
Leaf spy has got it wrong
There is a setting in the advanced setting he will need to select to show the mileage in miles.
Wow.... some incredible stats Gary! I was impressed with the 83% state-of-health, but taking into the account the number of rapid charges (it must have been permanently plugged in when not in use), that is even more impressive!
To be honest I don't think an old ev like he's in don't charge thar fast. I think they charge at 50kwh which is probably why it's still at 83% state of health
Thats mazing! My daughter’s 2016 30kw Nissan Leaf has 90,000 miles and is at 70% state of health.
There’s definitely more issues with the 30kWh pack. Should’ve been eligible for warranty replacement at that state though, has she taken it into Nissan?
07:47 "... and at least we know that Nissan are gonna know how to re-gas it..."
REALLY...??????
In my 2-year Leaf experience of using my local Nissan dealer, I'd have absolutely NO confidence in "knowing that Nissan are gonna know" anything whatsoever about dealing with it...! 😳
ENV200s have actively cooled battery packs, which is the main reason why they fare better than their passively cooled battery Leaf counterparts.
Definitely interested to see what the SOH reads at a lower SOC.
I bought an e-NV200 in 2019 62300 km and 89.63% SOH using Leafspy. The fact that a 300 000km+ still has 83% SOH is very heartening.
I am very pleased with the e-NV200 I regularly rent out the van via a car sharing company. I have had 110 rents, basically paying for the running costs. The renters, even Tesla owners, are surprised by how nice the e-NV200 is to drive. Nissan did an excellent job for a first time EV van a pity it is not made anymore. Mechanically it is an excellent car until now I have had only 1 service done including replacing the front tires. SW is another story the map is from 2017 almost impossible to update, finding charging stations with the nav is useless, range estimation is hugely optimistic. It would be wonderful to have Car Play but it's not possible.
It's a lovely van, I had the 24kwh version for 4 years, average 50-60 miles per charge if lucky but never ran out!
@@MikeGleesonazelectrics A friend who owns a furniture store has a 24kWh Evalia he uses it for delivery. He says it is probably one of the best business investments he ever made.
Some of the hospitals in the Northumbria area have Mer charging installations where there is a mix of 7kW AC and, crucially 25kW DC CCS/CHAdeMO chargers. So it's possible that, whilst it's been "rapid" charged frequently, the power has never exceeded 25kW which would likely be a bit easier on the battery.
That’s pretty interesting - 25kW DC makes a lot of sense in some cases yet is rare
@@ModernHeroes Interestingly, I've just looked back and see that, at North Tyneside General Hospital for example, they apparently now only have one such 25kW DC charger, but a year or two ago, they definitely had at least 6 or 8 in a row.
It could have had a gentler DC charge life than most Nissans if the trust had their own 25kW Chademo charger. Many dealerships had that type, pole mounted in a big industrial welders box.
Hi, with that mileage and state of health before you told us the number of rapid chargers it had . I would of said that it being a NHS van would have been on a overnight 7 kw charger. Considering it’s had that number of rapid chargers is staggering. I’m amazed there is any life in the battery at all.
my 2020 leaf we bought new has lost no range at all. never been fast charged only the supplied nissan charger and to 100% everytime.
Picking up on the point about the aircon service. I used to own a civic hybrid and like all hybrids they share something in common with evs. The oil used in the ac compressor is a special non conductive oil. The reason for this is that if the technician used regular oil in an ev or hybrid ac system they could risk electrocution. For this reason some routine ac charge places like kwik fit won't touch evs or hybrids. Having said that dedicated air con services will as they understand the requirements.
Pretty much all of the fast fit places are perfectly fine servicing AC systems in EV/hybrid - they just charge so much for doing so that the main dealer is just as competitive.
@ModernHeroes thanks that's interesting and useful to know
I had a 2021 Nissan Leaf on lease for 3 years.At 8000 miles leaf spy said 92% I paid £99 for an Aviloo battery test.That said 99% ,it could be better than you think.
Maybe the guessometer will behave itself with a few deeper battery discharges and slow re-charging? It looks like it has been abused with all that rapid charging and low use between charges.
Yeah that’s kinda what I’m hoping for. I am truly shocked by how many QCs it’s reporting!
Impressive! My env200 is only at 100k miles, so about half way though it's life! 💪
.... well done, pretty perfect SOH given the mileage! - imagine if you did another 188kmiles ~70%?, your onto near perfect zero depreciation already 👍👍👍 (I has been plugged in every night to a HV charger, to enable it to travel the rural miles = extra 👍👍)
Top van, top review and no comment as not a expert BUT if it's spent al it's time on a rapid charger a few cycles of home from 10 % to 80% as the Nissan software designs intended maybe ..... anyway love your channel keep up the good work and all the best 😎
I guess the GOM is way out due to so many small journies. A full 100% AC charge and drive, then repeat as you get to 20% or below. Hopefully it will help reset.I think state of health for battery is great seeing it's mileage.
If you have a good BMS with active battery cooling/heating you shouldn't get much ware from rapid charging. That's why the leafs are pretty poor as far as EVs go, due to lack of cooling and in the earlier ones small battery to begin with. But also depends what you need, if you are only going around your local area and old leaf could be a nice cheap option. But if anyone's buying a new car and will do longer trips, make sure it has decent battery cooling and heating and can accept a decent rapid charge.
I may be wrong but I think you can program the T.P.M. sensors on Leaf-spy. Also may find the faulty side that's not working because the original tyre is now on the spare.
Ooo that’s a good shout - haven’t checked out the spare yet, assuming it has one
@@ModernHeroes We had one in a few weeks ago and that's what happened in that case. We fitted the spare and It picked up the sensor after a few yards, but took 2-3 miles before the wheel gave a reading on the tyre pressure. Good luck
air compressor is just the same as 134a system on belt drive just no belt 12 v i reto fitted one on my ranger to take the strees on the motor when its 38 degrees for weeks
unlike the leaf the env200 has thermal management
Makes me wonder if lots of rapid charging is actually good for the battery? Interesting to see how you progress with it.
Nissan leaf battery chemistry improve with rapid charging and the Nv 200 has some form of cooling compared to the leaf. My old nissan leaf SOH goes up every time after a rapid charge. If the range decreases faster towards the end it means there are weak cells in the pack. Drain the battery to under 10 % and check the cells report on leaf spy ,there you would see the bad cells that pull the rest of the pack at low SOC.
Good God. Don't do any of the things this person suggests.
Definitely give it regular 6kw charges this will cell balance the pack maybe even increase the soh a little
Do you know if this is the second battery in this van ?????
Nothing to suggest so, no.
Do you think that the regular rapid charging has helped keep the battery in good condition?
Looking at Leafspy, it looks like a couple of balance charges and deep discharges would do wonders, with a 25mV out of balance and nearly 6000 Rapid charges and only 32 AC charges.
Edit - sorry posted this before you noticed it...
Yeah I definitely think that’s what it needs - which it’ll now very likely get quite quickly!
The odo reading on Leaf Spy shows 116k miles. Is the car set to km again?
Nope it’s definitely 188k miles, LeafSpy just incorrectly reporting. Have seen this on a high mileage Leaf before, assume it’s some kind of bug.
@@ModernHeroesdoes that give you much confidence in the rest of leaf spy figures?
Seems theres a setting that specifically exists to correct this so I don’t see why not.
Maybe the vehicle was not used constantly all day and was used for quick pick-ups or delivery and would be put on rapid charge every time it came back to keep a big charge when needed, hence the large number of rapid charges.
Does the incredible amount of rapid charges and the current battery health suggest that frequent rapid charging is the way to go?
The Hx is quite low. Wondering what leafspy will show under heavy acceleration or while climbing a steep hill with some additional weight?
This exactly, HX of 40 something is showing allot of wear, resistance is high. I bet the QC wont show high speeds charging the battery and the mV spread during driving 50 mph and then accelerate to 70 will be huge. This battery isnt in good health.
In the video LeafSpy is displaying only 116895 miles which is rather odd, it's always been spot on when I used it in the past. Correct Vin No. for the Reg though so a little strange. BTW I'm not doubting what you say about the mileage done as its all on the MOT History. Are they WestWay Nissan Plates on it? It looks like a Birmingham Registration.
It’s incorrectly converting 188124 to miles as if it were km, not sure why. Plates are Lookers though it was supplied to the NHS by LeasePlan/Ayvens.
@@ModernHeroes That would explain it. 👍 Thanks for the info on the No. Plates, West Way"s fleet centre supplied a lot of NHS Vehicles.
My 40kwh is on 85% soh and 45%Hx basically its the Hx which tanks the rapid charge speed though.
(350.8 km + 3 km) * 208 Wh/km = 73.6 kWh
Bjorn says that SOH can’t be trusted from the OBD2 port and yes it’s likely to read differently depending on SOC. So he changes to 100% then runs it very low in the case above to 3km left then calculates as above to give the current kWh of the battery.
I wonder whether the NHS had Indra units so the BMS over registered rapid charges
Found a 2015 press release where this trust was running the older model 24kWh ENV200. Suspect the charging habits they needed to have with those carried over.
Would the range be different if you only did local short trips.. your first experience was doing higher speeds on a motorway so surely wouldn’t be getting a very high miles/kwh.. interesting to know if much difference?
I think you need to get a Nissan dealer to set the charging cycle count as it's never been done and you'll find the rapid charge count will be very low,
If you divide the total miles done by the rapid charge number it will show hardly any miles per charge which does not make sense.
Given several hospitals in the area it was being used have DC chargers it’s pretty feasible that it was being plugged in every time it was parked up whether it needed to charge or not
Did the van have a battery replacement at 72k miles? 188k miles that you report the van doing vs 116k miles on the BMS app?
The odometer reading in the app is taking the 188k miles and converting it as if it were in km. there’s a setting that can be enabled to correct this, I’ve since found out.
@@ModernHeroes gotcha. Thanks.
The local authority here keeps all EVs on charge when not in use. Drive it five miles, put it on charge. The cars are always at 100%. Caused by not understanding how EVs work, plus range anxiety.
Are you sure they are charging to 100%? A lot of EVs stop charging at 80% by default and need to be manually over-ridden to go beyond that.
@@johnosullivan675 Nissan Leafs don't do that, not the current ones they operate. In any case charging to 80% stops the cells balancing. You can't do that indefinitely or you end up with big differences between some of the cells that may require a manual rebalancing as the differences arte too great for the BMS to handle.. Thats why modern EVs want to go to 100%.
Why does leaf spy say 116000 miles? Are sure it's not had a replacement battery? Not that that would be a bad thing!
It’s converting the odometer reading to miles as if it’s in km even though it is already in miles. There’s a setting that I haven’t enabled that fixes this, it seems.
I'm probably misunderstanding something but does LeafSpy (5:35 min) report the 'odo = 116k miles' instead of 188k miles in your title? Whatever the number, 83% SoH is amazing after 5,000+ rapid charges!
The odometer is definitely 188,124 *miles* - I’m not sure why LeafSpy is incorrectly assuming it’s km and converting it but I’ve seen it do the same with another high mileage Leaf so I assume it’s a bug.
@@ModernHeroes Thanks for the clarification! I've a ~3 yr old MG5 so these battery videos are always interesting.
TBF if they have been plugging it in everyday at 70% and going back to 100% then it may have DC charged, but it certainly won't have been rapid! 😂
Fair point well made 😅
Its been used so much that it has never sat fully charged for any length of time. Unlike perhaps a very low mileage vehicle.
Were you in Cheltenham about 5-30 6th August in the Ami
Nope
What's consider as a rapid? If 22kw is then we have a few if not we got one in our trust lol
DC charging - usually 50kW+
Any connection to a chademo unit speed is irrelevant but if at high soc the charge rate would be less and actually help the packs soh
Rapid charged an average of nearly 3 times a day over its life? Has this had a new battery at some time?
The QC count will increment every time a charging session starts no matter how long it’s charging for or what the SoC % is - it could’ve been being plugged in every time it was parked up regardless of whether it actually needed to charge or not.
The odometer reading on the app says 116,000 miles, not 188,000. I think the 188,000 reading is actually Kilometers.
Nope
@@ModernHeroes How do you explain the discrepancy?
@@davewheatley3149 read the hundred other replies to people asking this same question
@@ModernHeroes OK, thanks
Maybe only rapid charging is actually good!
It's been on V2G
Doubt it. Theres a rapid at a lot of hospitals in the trust’s area, suspect it was plugged into one pretty much every time it was parked.
25mV over the cells is high, isn't it?
The miles on display said 116000?
I don’t think it’s particularly high, no.
Why is leaf spy reporting a lower mileage than the odometer?
It’s incorrectly converting the odometer as if it were in km - there’s an option to fix this that I didn’t have selected.
So rapid charging is not as harmful to battery health as is popularly supposed.
I’m not sure this is the best example of that - if it was really being charged so frequently then it was doing so little mileage between charges that it wouldn’t have been going through the same stress as continually rapid charging from low% to high%
Am I right in thinking the last part of a rapid charge is at a slower speed anyway? So perhaps charging at a relatively slow rate even though connected to a rapid charger.
So how much did you actually pay for it?
why does the app say 116 000 miles? and not 188000
So the van is a 2018 and therefore is 6 years old and has been rapid charged almost 6000 times. That’s 1000 times a year or almost 3 times every day? Make you wonder how they found the time to drive 188,000 miles, when it must spent a lot of time plugged in! Make me wonder if the rapid charging number is leaf spy is giving you is correct.
If it was plugged in every time it was parked it’s feasible enough still
Is this a 188,000km or 113,000mi car?
The LeafSpy seems to say 113,000 miles.
LeafSpy is wrong because the “CAN Odometer in miles” option isn’t selected.
very scary shirt lol
I enjoy all your vlogs but would get more out of them if you quoted prices. In the first video you didnt say what you paid for the Nissan and now you are talking about re gassing the aircon at a Nissan dealer because its just as cheap as elsewhere but again no prices quoted. Not a big issue just constructive feedback
AC service (which includes a replacement cabin filter and antibacterial treatment) is £155 inc vat - it’s £135/£145 just for the regas at most of the fast fits. ATS noticeably cheaper at £96 via Groupon but they say that pricing doesn’t apply to EV/Hybrid.
(It uses R1234yf gas like pretty much all modern vehicles, so the days of a £50 regas are gone!)
@@ModernHeroes Thanks for replying
118,895 miles equals 188,000 km. So I think your title is wrong. Is it set to km perhaps.
It is definitely reading 188,124 miles. Check the MOT history….
@@ModernHeroes I'm impressed either way, MOT mileage would just have been read from the dashboard by the technician. If it was in Km he would think it was miles and entered that onto the system. This is a little mystery.
@@edspace_66 its not a mystery at all, LeafSpy is incorrectly converting the odometer reading
@@ModernHeroes After a quick search it does seem leafspy has issues reading the odometer accurately. Apparently you can enable "CAN odometer in miles" in settings to resolve if that's useful. keep up the good work.
If you Listen to the armchair bullshitters you would think these Evs batteries will have to be replaced after a few thousand miles im sure if it was a diesel or petrol you would have spent an awful lot more on it after doing all that of miles
Yes, that's one of the things that the haters miss out.. when saying that their diesel car has 100,000s of miles and is still going strong.
Battery health is not the issue. If they truly are good beyond 100k then the manufacturer needs to warranty the batteries beyond this milage. That and real world data. Once many EVs are sold going beyond 10 years and 100k you will have ur answer. Until then ur welcome to buy and be the looser. Just don’t cry and make videos about it
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Whatever it is you're smoking, try to cut down a bit.
The average age of scrapped cars in the UK is 16. The average distance per year is 7400 miles.
So cars are scrapped at 118k miles....
The car is obsolete long before the battery......but. because there's no exhaust, catalyst converter, egr valve, timing belt, starter motor, spark plugs, fuel pump, radiator, turbo, O2 sensor, head gasket, oil system etc they should last much longer ❤
Hi what your suggesting is exactly what MG have introduced on the new going forward Ev’s. A life time guarantee on the battery. The only stipulation is it has to be serviced annually to keep the warranty which is no different to any other manufacturer. Hopefully other manufacturers will follow suit .
@@stephenclay6852I think that is just in Thailand at the moment but hopefully will extend everywhere.
A game changer.