I was the client here; i tihnk most of you missed the point i was trying to make. its not an Ego issue. the point I was trying to make to Neace was simple; some things that you're telling me to do I was already doing it or mentally preparing too...hard pushing a wave to counter a roam, get level 2 before ahri, roam to the backside of yone. Neace had several coaching moments that got me thinking how i am playing the game, not recalling soon enough, getting too greedy, over confident because of lane dominance. At no point was i trying to belittle Neace's knowledge or experience. Since the coaching experience, his voice has resonated is several of my games "ward their blue" " take the recall". It's sad that what I was trying to convey was misinterpreted originally and now being misrepresented. Great Coaching experience though, glad I did it.
@@tennisguru18 I think it's better that i try to discuss what im doing wrong in the game versus just saying " ok Neace, whatever you say is law" i think its better for me to question and discuss (like we did in the clip) so I can get a better understanding.
@@austinmcgill3338 i agree with you man, you're going to learn more if your slam your logic against his and see who's breaks first. 99.99% of the time gold player logic will always break first before neace or any challenger player. I would likely do the EXACT same thing if i got coached even knowing the risks of making neace feel like i think his coaching isn't good. Its just questioning this is how you come to a TRUE understanding which is better then just thinking everything he says is black and white which league is anything but black and white.
This is so apparent in lower elo player gameplay (including my own), where a lack of attention to positioning leads to several small advantages to the enemy team (walking on vision, leading to a gank failure/ gank bait). Watching Neace has helped me identify these issues and reduce variance in plays/ snowball harder
@@ROB-cj4kq Could not have explained it better myself! I love watching someone execute game changing plays with mechanical precision, but the client needs to be upfront and state they want to swag on the enemy, not just win game. Even then, explaining high risk plays in real-time is difficult. It would be easier to vod review a play and explain what couldve been done more optimally
@@ROB-cj4kq yeah not to mention the entire philosophy of his champ runs counter to what he’s trying to do. He’s a control mage trying to play like a bruiser wondering why he’s getting caught out and throwing leads.
kinda relieved i got into league early at 2011 and dont have to think about none of these things theyre all just instinctive, diamond and up for pretty much the last 10 years lol
This student does not have a huge ego imo. He was honest, saying out loud what he was thinking and that he was thinking the same sometimes, he was just saying it, cause he felt like he did. And that is a good thing, cause he learned more than the people not saying things like this. He was curious and very open to learn from what I can see. Well played and a good lesson for both I'd say.
totally agree, neace seemed to be jerk reacting based on the general attitude of lower ranked players and previous experiences but the guy wasn't bragging or anything he was just honest
It's good he spoke his mind, because that's how you learn, but Neace was 1,000% on the money with his reaction and title. The dude straight up acted like "nah I totally intended to do those things you were telling me to do, not all of them, but some of them". Which is just not the case. And the SINGLE biggest lesson this guy can take from this coaching session, is understanding he was right in calling bullshit. Neace is just calling out his 20/20 hindsight which is sooooooo much of what holds people back. You get told the right thing, and you know it's right, so you convince yourself you were "about" to go do it. But you weren't. You never were. He needs to look at this game, and look at ALL the advice, not just the stuff he "never thought about". And then realize just how often he's NOT doing the things "I definitely was thinking that". If he can overcome that, he'll do great. It's a standard psychological weakness most people have. It's a difficult habit to break and even some of the best fall prey to it. But the average person is much much worse about it.
@@noobgoestrapping5084 First of all, check the wording of what the person said. They said they were thinking about it ahead of Neace saying it. They didn't say they were about to do it. Second of all, there definitely will be calls that Neace said and they would have done the same thing. Neace won't have full picture of what the student knows, so he might say some more simple and obvious things just in case. Thirdly, the way student started to speak about this, was to classify the instructions into 3 different groups to discuss those separately, which is smart. Instructions that he also was thinking about, instructions that he had no clue about and instructions he would have thought differently about. Neace didn't let him finish that thought though and jumped on the part where he said that he thought of the same instructions before, which should be totally fine and expected. Neace is not some sort of omniscient god that knows beforehand absolutely everything that the student is thinking of so there's naturally going to be instructions that student also has in his mind already.
Exactly. How can you learn if you don't speak up about what's going on for you? Telling Neace he was already thinking about some of those things is just trying to key Neace into his game knowledge, what he already knows or is aware of, so that Neace can more efficiently teach him. A good coach/teacher will listen to their students and adjust their teaching style or lessons accordingly.
at 24:42 where neace begins about evelynn always watching, as an eve main I can 100% CONFIRM I've killed dozens upon dozens of lazy ass people backing in front of that turret instead of standing safely behind it. (not that standing behind it is gonna stop me when I'm fed but u get the point)
You telling me an evelyne that would have walked down there , wouldnt dive that? I 100% agree with creating good habbits & recalling position is important , but in this case Syndra no ult , 250-ish HP.. she s 100% dead if an eve walks down
@@evertvandenberghe3301 I don’t think it’s that much about surviving the dive, but at least seeing it come if she just walks up (supposing that she doesn’t flash or ult backwards to get under turret) and being able to react, specially given that he’s fed and can chunk out that eve with the basic combo
@@inadover 100% yes if you recall right you at least have a chance for eve to fuck up and get a free kill or at least make her use her cooldowns (like R, Flash, smite, protobelt)
I've watched 80+ Neace videos and in this video his calls were so counter to what I expected. But he explained why. I normally watch top and jungle games. Neace did a great job explaining why on this video rather than keeping him on rails.
I just want to say thank you for helping me understand league. I've binge watched like 30 of your coaching videos, and I've learned so much. I genuinely appreciate you putting in the time and effort to make people better. I feel like I have your voice in the back of my head every game I play now, and it has cut down on my mistakes BIG TIME. I am on the verge of breaking out of silver after playing league since 2014 (on and off). If I make it, it'll be thanks to you.
please don’t pay for this guys coaching you can get 10 challenger coaches for the price of this one guy be can’t hit challenger on anything other than tryndamere and gives a lot of bad information because of that
@@floos8254 You can get an extension that readds the dislikes to youtube but its not 100% accurate for new videos but is 100% for old videos its called "Return UA-cam Dislike" This video has only 22 dislikes and I believe that is 22 people using the extension that disliked the video if you want to see why I dislike neace coaching a lot youtube "Pro Coach reacts: Is Neace coaching really worth 100$/h?" and skip to about 16:15 minutes and then watch the video its very long but its very true edit: also the reason this video doesn't have more dislikes is just because of his fanbase and low elo players think he just right but hes really not he does a lot of bad calls I am challenger also and I haven't found a video where I agree with the majority of the things he says sometimes he says the right stuff but then doesn't go into any detail and he misses a lot of things its petty ridiculous that people pay like $300 for this
Maybe your thinking similar things, but both you and Neace doesnt need to focus on any ingame thing. It’s so easy to think the player is stupid while spectating like this, meanwhile the reality is the fact that he is managing 3-4 things and tryna think like Neace do. Not easy at all
Every detail you mention and predict about the game is right. It's great to look at pros and their outlook on the game. I'm definitely learning a lot from this channel.
There was an aspect of this match where his friends prediction rings true. There were instances where syndra was in a power position, like having ahri or yone under tower, and the student was still super reticent to step up and auto the tower and threaten diving.
Yeah but that gold player is thinking a big dick play is flashing and sidestepping a bunch of skill shots. In reality the “big dick play” is just using your wave to get things and threatening otherwise with your high burst.
I'd be offended if I were the student and I saw how Neace framed my coaching session. The dude sounded nice and reflected, even got to the extent of trying to clarify his words. To you, the dude in question, you deserved a better title/edit, have a good one!
Nah bro, he clearly tried to say he knew practically everything he was being coached about. It was only when Neace proved him wrong that he backed down on his argument. The EGO is real here.
@@KoFkrai listen again to what he said. Of course, he'd already see the wave and think "I'm gonna hardpush it" before Neace tells him to. He doesn't have horrible macro, so he will see some things right at the same time as Neace who then has to tell him. He even clarified that he wouldn't have seen or done many things without Neace's explanations/instructions but that there were a few things Neace said that he saw before.
I honestly loved that I came across this channel!! I’ve been applying these suggestions and guidance in my plays and not only have I gotten better champion ratings and victories, but finally began climbing after hitting a wall for the longest time in ranked. My biggest thanks and utmost respect!!
I legit starting playing league for the first time 3 days ago and I can’t stop binging these videos. I feel as though I’m starting to learn good habits and other common sense that isn’t natural to new players just because of how big of a beast league is. These videos are definitely inspiring me to try and climb and improve so that I can start playing ranked, thanks
I think Neace misinterpreted this guy. I don't think his ego was majorly in the wrong place when u watch the whole thing. He seemed prty keen to clarify and analyse things at the debrief phase. A bit clickbait, but good video.
looked like he was looking for any reason to be pissed off, and he just got up like his client said some stupid shit, when really the client, he never articulated anything of a caliber that would really merit that response from Neace? Trying hard to make a walk off happen and chat go nuts? That guy wasn't being rude, he was just trying to level with him and understand neace's calls.
A coach that doesnt let his client explain his thought process, doesnt let his clients ask questions and contantly shuts them down is a bad coach, as a oach you need to go over why we are doing things, nor just giving them instructions. How will rhey learn from that???
Okay this one was a little extreme Neace... Challenging and questioning teaching is something that students should do, shouldn't you just take their word for it? There's no reason for him to bullshit you, and he's clearly a nice and honest guy, getting offended because he knew a lot of stuff doesn't make sense since he's trying to find out what his weaknesses were, okay, he knew about a lot of the aggressive plays you wanted him to make, of course he did, not all students are dumbasses, but maybe criticise the other things.
I think the problem here is, Neace coaches for a living, there are many people who pretend they already know x y and z for ego reasons, but it's clearly not evident in their gameplay, nervous or not. It's insulting to a teacher you are paying $200 for to act like you know already. You're getting coaching because you're not getting the results you want, and you want to improve, so a productive way of doing that is to not undermine your teacher, and to focus on the things you clearly aren't doing, whether you truly 'thought it' or not. I understand what you're saying, but challenging and questioning things is different from what this client was doing initially. Notice how the client actually asked genuine questions after the fact, and Neace happily answered them.
@@devilix123987 Yes indeed. I've been in both of their positions and I know. Sure as a student you need to respect a teacher take what they're telling you to heart, and trust in the guidance, however that doesn't mean turn off your brain and accept every command like a robot, we must still use our own judgement as students, nothing wrong with asking why, and giving your own opinion of a situation.
@@devilix123987 Sure, but, Actual teachers teach for a similar if not lower salary, and teach entire classrooms, and yet, you are more likely to be praised if you come prepared with knowledge, why is that? It's not like teachers don't care about their jobs, no, it's not about that. It has to do with the fact that Teachers respect and encourage teachers to make good decisions, Neace isn't encouraging making good decision making if he's going to say that this guy doesn't know what he's doing, he's going to doubt himself more. A huge part of league of legends is confidence, and that's being discouraged because Neace feels offended by something that clearly wasn't meant to offend. Of course it's understandable that he was a bit upset that the student would clearly say that they knew some of the things, but it's not professional or constructive to be offended by it, Neace should be encouraging the guy to keep making decisions that fall in line with Neace's own ideas. He wasn't trying to undermine Neace, he simply wanted to make it clear that he's on his way to understanding, he's got a grasp, just that he's not quite there yet. Shouldn't Neace help him bridge that gap? Instead of getting angry that he already started bridging it beforehand? You should always prepare for your classes, no?
@@Fjallkloka_Aventyr Mhm I agree, but that's not what was happening here. Plus in a game like league, generally it would be best to go over the VoD afterwards and ask/express these questions/uncertainties, which is what the student did afterward - which was good.
I don’t think it really comes off as a challenge, but more as thinking stuff like “ok, maybe I should do this” but never acting on that thought that may be correct. As a gold/plat player, I often have that thought of doing the right thing but I don’t act on it due to laziness, going in autopilot, greed or overconfidence and I think that’s what the trainee meant. Not necessarily “predicting” what Neace was going to instruct him, but rather considering it as one of many choices, even if it would’ve gotten ignored.
Hey neace i know you probably dont play syndra but as a high elo syndra main id like to point out there is a lot of mechanical errors in this syndra gameplay which doesnt just come down to aim a lot of it comes down to having the wrong framework and the sequencing of abilities. This player has a tendency to press q e right off the jump and whiff which is common in lower elo and is why i do not recommend syndra to low elo players. Some examples are at 3:30 he finds eve in a place where she either has to flash to get out or is dead. He should open with autos and q and save the e for w. It should also be mentioned that w->e is something like 40% faster than q->e and should always be used when trying to stun melee champions as it has a lot more consistency. He ends up missing a potential kill because of this Another example is at 8:20 the play works out anyways but he once again tries to use q on yone and immediately whiffs e. He should be looking to only use e after ult so that he cant miss. I like q->w->q->r->e in this situations but even q->r->e works here. Like i said it works out in this case but the framework is wrong. I feel like the sequencing of abilities is the most important thing on syndra because in higher elo any whiff gets severely punished because of the long cd on this crucial ability
He has some decent mechanics, what’s crazy is 6 seasons ago those would be masters+ level dodges on some of these things and now it’s just an above average gold mechanic
@@hiddenlights2809 i mean sure even bronze players can make individual plays that a master player would make. but on average this game was definitely not master level mechanics.
yeah the pinging of spells being recieved as some sort of flame and mostly resulting in just pings getting muted or ignored is smth that the game has nursed. In general all pings have been used more for flaming than for communication i mena the newest itteration ... the "bait" ping has been literaly translated to the "hang yourself" ping
the biggest thing that stood out to me here is the client seems to be thinking very binary with what he wants from this coaching session. "my friend said you might say im too aggressive, but it feels like you're saying the opposite" - well yes, but no. it isn't about aggression vs passive play. When you have all the indicators, and you know you're ahead and there's an easy pick, by all means flash and secure it, that's good aggression. The main problem the client made was making high variance (relying on team to do x and y) and slightly more risky and UNNECESSARY plays when already ahead, which is where neace said slow down and be incremental and lock in the lead with safety.
Agreed especially with your last point. All it takes is one bubble chained into a charm, into a yone ult and he pops before he can even zhonyas. That's how these 8-1 leads turn into 10-9 by the end of the game. Seen it too many times with players who don't know how to win with their leads.
So I’m seeing a lot of comments saying it’s cool to have the same ideas as your coach and to voice that should not be a big deal. Seen. I think a more important conversation is that when an individual’s attention is being put somewhere, if you value the source of that data point, you should take care to pay attention. Something I say a lot in relation to adhd is if most people need to hear something 3 times to internalize it I need to hear it 7 times. Just because I have herd something before doesn’t make it a bad take. I am having my attention guided to a point of high value, I should pay attention This coming from someone who has played this game for only one week but I’m not really talking about league stuff, I’m talking about skill acquisition 🙏🏽🤙🏽
Never even once thought taking a turret could be a bad thing. But, I can see now how sometimes opening up the map allows for the enemy team to come back. The thing I really like about Neace’s content is he teaches people how to play in THAT team/game. Yes, personal development is important, but he mostly tries to get people to understand the team-sport aspect.
Implement a system where if you are challenged by them, challenge them to do tedious drills, over and over again to make them understand. They will know why they had to repeat that drill and try not to do it again. Win win
I love the response from the guy getting coached. He went into comments to explain how what he was doing wasn't about ego. Lol. Yes, his ego was so unaffected that he had to run to comments snd explain. Best of all, by his own words it was about ego. "You guys don't get it. I wasn't that for ego, I was just saying it so that everyone watching would know that I was actually already thinking stuff before he said it. Ummm...that's ego dude. You JUST said your only point was so that people would know you knew
@@austinmcgill3338 I hope you will climb well then. I’m in the same elo and I have exactly the same habits. But looking at what Neace is saying, it really does make sense.
I don't think it was an ego issue either. It sounds good as a clickbait title, but I think for learning purposes, him voicing his opinion was completely fine, because this also gives Neace insights to give better feedback if he knows his opinion. If the person was like "yeah, yeah" and didn't try to say what he's really thinking then he might not learn at all. At least if you try to question you will be engaged and being engaged will definitely help you learn or adjust your opinions. Neace during the game told him to do something, but he didn't have time to explain it fully, so it's good the student brought up those scenarios.
@@austinmcgill3338 acknowledging and accepting are not the same thing. You acknowledged that he knew things you didn't and also knew things you did. You didn't accept that regardless of if, "you thought a lot of what he was saying", your gameplay is indicative of that not being the truth or at the very least not an accurate statement. I don't think it's the ego holding you back but I don't think the title is wrong either. If you're paying someone to teach you beyond asking, trying to learn more, it's best to be silent. We don't always need to voice our opinions and if you can't do that then maybe ego is an issue. "You don't always have to be the loudest voice in the room". No hate at all, sorry for the wall of text.
@@jkil32 "it's best to be silent" Hard and complete disagree here. If you are silent Neace won't be able to know what kind of reasoning or strategic errors you might have in your head and he will not be able to calibrate those thoughts. It's seriously just not about ego. It's also not about being the loudest voice in the room. Yes, Neace can see your gameplay and try to correct that, but far more important are the thoughts or reasoning you have behind the decisions you make to point out any common obstacles from playing optimally. During this gameplay, Neace could yell out orders and commands, but he didn't have enough time to explain the full reasoning. Him, bringing up these points and what he thought, is what helps Neace address the issues. Because this student brought up the thoughts he had, the discussion lead to a very interesting topic of making incremental low risk gains after gaining an advantage to complete the game. If the client was quiet and just did what was told, I'm not sure he would have understood that the reason he loses most games is because he takes too risky decisions when ahead, which can cause too many throws.
lmao, if I got coaching, I would tell my coach to backseat the f**k out of me, literally control every movement i do and flame me (politely and respectfully) everytime i fuck up. I didn't pay you to tell me I did a good job, I paid you to teach me shit. ty for epic video btw neace
I will never understand these people who pay through the nose for a challanger level coach to tell them how to play, only to IGNORE everything said coach tells them to do or says, and then acts as if they already knew it or knew better in their plays yet they've never even come CLOSE to challanger
As Syndra otp it hurt my eyes to see him spamming E so much. That's the only escape. But so often I see people in lower elo randomly throwing their e farming waves when they can literally have evelynn jumping on them and thats the only way they have to escape leaving them to be free kills. Doing this in d5+ elo will leave you killed as fk.
Why is it that so many players that know more about the game than Neace is paying for coaching?.. You hella fun to watch man! //Worthless player just trying to be better than his younger brothers
"my time invested"....except that's literally the opposite of what's happening. the STUDENT is investing their time...AND money... you are being paid to be here. how is your perspective so warped to think the exact opposite than you should? YOU are the one being hired. You SERVE the STUDENT. He hired YOU. YOU are the one that something is expected of, not the student. Get your ego out of your coachings.
Well I do agree with that idea of him putting ego in coaching. Like "why am I here then" or like you said "my time invested". I think when he says these things it's to try and get the person he's coaching to listen up and pay attention. Like yeah your right I'm waisting my money and time listening to you. At least that's what I get but you never know ig.
lmao, no it isnt. YOu kids and this "anti ego" trope is starting to get old. Guess professional sports players never have an ego? Newsflash, almost all of them do. Morons.
It really isn't though. ego can play a part in it but the players ego is rarely the primary contributing factor. You also don't seem to be accounting for the four other egos on your team...or really any variables.
This game is very different from football and other sports. Not accepting your mistakes is the easiest way never improve. Not just in league but life too. You both talk about how ego doesn’t matter in league of legends yet you both come off with huge egos. You also talk about professional sports players having ego when NFL players are the 1.6% of college players.
@@CharlieIsAthena "both come off as huge egos". Why, because we are calling you out on your BS so you think that means we have an ego? Its clear you dont even know how to apply the word ego in context. Just another low iq troll masquerading as some intellectual. We are done here.
I wanna say it's kinda like stress testing? Except part of the intent is to beat it into the student that when they keep doing the things that are asked of them, it wins them the game. It's difficult for some students to comprehend some concepts because some will not even attempt to entertain certain ideas in their gameplay. A good example of this is the Shyvana player Neace coached on one his videos recently, they were always hesitating when Neace told him to do something he didn't believe would work. And quite frankly, it was really hard to watch. Then the one time he did exactly as Neace told him, he saw how well it worked, then for the rest of the game, he followed Neace's calls, and things went smoothly, they won the game with no problem. Neace emphasising that he assisted you in winning that one game just enforces those patterns that he is trying to teach. So really, he's trying to win the game for you IN ORDER to enforce what he is teaching you. (and win or lose, he can still go over things you did badly and how to fix them) Plus, this style of coaching tries to encourage students to think ahead, and try to entertain (and maintain) these gameplay patterns and concepts before Neace can even tell you to do them, because if you don't listen, or do it too slowly, you get shouted at.
Here's the thing... once humans are out of the teenage years, or for some, after the age of 5... they become more nuanced and complex... not everyone is ogabuga.... so you can't treat everyone as ogabuga until they prove they are ogabuga. =D by the way... GROUP!!! GROUP!!!!!!! (lol)
Very good client - it's not "challenging your coaching", it's just trying to understand why he should do the things, you told him to do vs brainlessly doing stuff you're telling him to do and being helpless the next game when you're not there with him. If anything Neace needs to get his ego in check, because imo it's important that people now why they do shit and not "I do that, because my coach told me to".
26:05 I've always called these bounties as 'the blue shell effect'. Just like U say the game is a racing game, it's like Mario kart, in Mario kart the losers get a blue shell that takes out the leader to keep them in the game. It happens in cs:go and LoL, both highly competitive games where losers are rewarded for being bad in order to keep the game from being a complete stomp, the ability to shift the entire game n keep the losing team in the game.
Idk I think neace is a little over dramatic here like the student is clearly learning more because he’s asking questions and truthfully learning and self reflecting
I dont understand why people pay for your coaching that think they know what youre going to say before you say it and act like they know everything - WHY ARE YOU SIGNING UP FOR COACHING THEN LOL. Sit down and listen and pay attention and emulate what the man you pay to coach you says lmaoo
You can hardly argue with somebody in a normal way when you scream and don't listen to what they say. Then you post it to youtube, making it impossible to argue with you. Why not try to explain them, without screaming and directly shaming them, the problem?
Neace ur a wonderful coach but honestly some of your behaviour is really uncalled for. Feels like you flame this guy for comedic effect and youtube drama when he's genuinly just explaining his thoughts which there was no reason to doubt. Constantly interrupting him and making a scene doesnt make it better and just feels imature.
This client didn't act like a shitter with a massive ego. Yes he claimed to have thought of some of the things that Neace instructed him to do but was as quick to accept that he didn't at all think of some other things. He even accepts that he gets too cocky when he's ahead.
Against Graves it's fine because if he ever walks into you and gets on top of you when W is on cd, you are 100% dead if you're not close enough to your lanes. Matching phase rush with Graves is okay if you have losing lanes (like mid for example, which Ahri v Syndra is losing for Ahri) that can't get prio and/or enemy champions don't get one-shot and you because Graves will otherwise easily take your whole jungle and you can't kill him generally speaking until you're ahead.
@@DarkCyberElf That is not your game though. You are never killing graves 1v1 anyway. The whole point of electrecute is to give you the ability to one shot, so you are not actually useless. I guess you can make an argument about the magic shield rune in sorc, but still you are evelynn, not something like diana for example. Your job is not to make sure you survive, but to be a one shot threat on the rift, keeping enemies at their toes and provoking mistakes. If you can't do that playing evelynn is worthless, there are simply better picks otherwise
I agree with him, you are kinda cocky.. and tbh, I've been playing 3 months now, and much of what u said i already knew, lol. He's the most polite student you've had. But overall, great videos.
My lord 2 mins into Lanning and wtf am I watching doesn't push when having the advantage until told too do so this stuff he should be knowing brain melting
Another wannabe who pulls up damage done knowing he's going on youtube as he talks back to the coach, or tries to blame not themselves for the loss. First noticed it with the hand leveller who refused to take personal responsibility and hit the CTRL key like an adult human. Nobody cares if you're king when your crown is Bronze.
Nah, Neace is overreacting hard. You can clearly tell by the student's tone at the end that he was being reflective and inquisitive, without a trace of ego or disrespect. It's actually quite the opposite. Neace has misinterpreted the student and now Neace's ego is showing.
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I was the client here; i tihnk most of you missed the point i was trying to make. its not an Ego issue. the point I was trying to make to Neace was simple; some things that you're telling me to do I was already doing it or mentally preparing too...hard pushing a wave to counter a roam, get level 2 before ahri, roam to the backside of yone. Neace had several coaching moments that got me thinking how i am playing the game, not recalling soon enough, getting too greedy, over confident because of lane dominance. At no point was i trying to belittle Neace's knowledge or experience. Since the coaching experience, his voice has resonated is several of my games "ward their blue" " take the recall". It's sad that what I was trying to convey was misinterpreted originally and now being misrepresented. Great Coaching experience though, glad I did it.
I’m kind of on the side of Neace on this one. I’m glad you had a good coaching and enjoyed it.
@@tennisguru18 I think it's better that i try to discuss what im doing wrong in the game versus just saying " ok Neace, whatever you say is law" i think its better for me to question and discuss (like we did in the clip) so I can get a better understanding.
@@austinmcgill3338 i agree with you man, you're going to learn more if your slam your logic against his and see who's breaks first. 99.99% of the time gold player logic will always break first before neace or any challenger player. I would likely do the EXACT same thing if i got coached even knowing the risks of making neace feel like i think his coaching isn't good. Its just questioning this is how you come to a TRUE understanding which is better then just thinking everything he says is black and white which league is anything but black and white.
Bullshit still going hard.
I'm curious, how much time do you have to discuss the coaching before it begins? If so, what do you discuss?
This is so apparent in lower elo player gameplay (including my own), where a lack of attention to positioning leads to several small advantages to the enemy team (walking on vision, leading to a gank failure/ gank bait). Watching Neace has helped me identify these issues and reduce variance in plays/ snowball harder
@@ROB-cj4kq Could not have explained it better myself! I love watching someone execute game changing plays with mechanical precision, but the client needs to be upfront and state they want to swag on the enemy, not just win game. Even then, explaining high risk plays in real-time is difficult. It would be easier to vod review a play and explain what couldve been done more optimally
@@ROB-cj4kq yeah not to mention the entire philosophy of his champ runs counter to what he’s trying to do. He’s a control mage trying to play like a bruiser wondering why he’s getting caught out and throwing leads.
kinda relieved i got into league early at 2011 and dont have to think about none of these things theyre all just instinctive, diamond and up for pretty much the last 10 years lol
This student does not have a huge ego imo. He was honest, saying out loud what he was thinking and that he was thinking the same sometimes, he was just saying it, cause he felt like he did. And that is a good thing, cause he learned more than the people not saying things like this. He was curious and very open to learn from what I can see. Well played and a good lesson for both I'd say.
totally agree, neace seemed to be jerk reacting based on the general attitude of lower ranked players and previous experiences but the guy wasn't bragging or anything he was just honest
This neace guy is so goofy and have a huge ego
It's good he spoke his mind, because that's how you learn, but Neace was 1,000% on the money with his reaction and title.
The dude straight up acted like "nah I totally intended to do those things you were telling me to do, not all of them, but some of them".
Which is just not the case. And the SINGLE biggest lesson this guy can take from this coaching session, is understanding he was right in calling bullshit.
Neace is just calling out his 20/20 hindsight which is sooooooo much of what holds people back. You get told the right thing, and you know it's right, so you convince yourself you were "about" to go do it. But you weren't. You never were.
He needs to look at this game, and look at ALL the advice, not just the stuff he "never thought about". And then realize just how often he's NOT doing the things "I definitely was thinking that".
If he can overcome that, he'll do great. It's a standard psychological weakness most people have. It's a difficult habit to break and even some of the best fall prey to it. But the average person is much much worse about it.
@@noobgoestrapping5084
First of all, check the wording of what the person said. They said they were thinking about it ahead of Neace saying it. They didn't say they were about to do it.
Second of all, there definitely will be calls that Neace said and they would have done the same thing. Neace won't have full picture of what the student knows, so he might say some more simple and obvious things just in case.
Thirdly, the way student started to speak about this, was to classify the instructions into 3 different groups to discuss those separately, which is smart. Instructions that he also was thinking about, instructions that he had no clue about and instructions he would have thought differently about.
Neace didn't let him finish that thought though and jumped on the part where he said that he thought of the same instructions before, which should be totally fine and expected.
Neace is not some sort of omniscient god that knows beforehand absolutely everything that the student is thinking of so there's naturally going to be instructions that student also has in his mind already.
Exactly. How can you learn if you don't speak up about what's going on for you? Telling Neace he was already thinking about some of those things is just trying to key Neace into his game knowledge, what he already knows or is aware of, so that Neace can more efficiently teach him. A good coach/teacher will listen to their students and adjust their teaching style or lessons accordingly.
at 24:42 where neace begins about evelynn always watching, as an eve main I can 100% CONFIRM I've killed dozens upon dozens of lazy ass people backing in front of that turret instead of standing safely behind it. (not that standing behind it is gonna stop me when I'm fed but u get the point)
As a former eve main, you are 100% right. I cant even remember how many lazy after a fight kills I have gotten from people like this client.
You telling me an evelyne that would have walked down there , wouldnt dive that? I 100% agree with creating good habbits & recalling position is important , but in this case Syndra no ult , 250-ish HP.. she s 100% dead if an eve walks down
Same as a Swain main. You're never safe from W if I know where you're at.
@@evertvandenberghe3301 I don’t think it’s that much about surviving the dive, but at least seeing it come if she just walks up (supposing that she doesn’t flash or ult backwards to get under turret) and being able to react, specially given that he’s fed and can chunk out that eve with the basic combo
@@inadover 100% yes if you recall right you at least have a chance for eve to fuck up and get a free kill or at least make her use her cooldowns (like R, Flash, smite, protobelt)
I've watched 80+ Neace videos and in this video his calls were so counter to what I expected. But he explained why. I normally watch top and jungle games. Neace did a great job explaining why on this video rather than keeping him on rails.
I just want to say thank you for helping me understand league. I've binge watched like 30 of your coaching videos, and I've learned so much. I genuinely appreciate you putting in the time and effort to make people better. I feel like I have your voice in the back of my head every game I play now, and it has cut down on my mistakes BIG TIME. I am on the verge of breaking out of silver after playing league since 2014 (on and off). If I make it, it'll be thanks to you.
So when will u pay for coaching
@@soulshock210 I've been thinking about it. I wonder if there is like a line to get a coaching session from the legend.
please don’t pay for this guys coaching you can get 10 challenger coaches for the price of this one guy be can’t hit challenger on anything other than tryndamere and gives a lot of bad information because of that
@@rose1204 I wish UA-cam showed the amount of dislikes a comment had
@@floos8254 You can get an extension that readds the dislikes to youtube but its not 100% accurate for new videos but is 100% for old videos its called "Return UA-cam Dislike"
This video has only 22 dislikes and I believe that is 22 people using the extension that disliked the video if you want to see why I dislike neace coaching a lot youtube "Pro Coach reacts: Is Neace coaching really worth 100$/h?" and skip to about 16:15 minutes and then watch the video its very long but its very true
edit: also the reason this video doesn't have more dislikes is just because of his fanbase and low elo players think he just right but hes really not he does a lot of bad calls I am challenger also and I haven't found a video where I agree with the majority of the things he says sometimes he says the right stuff but then doesn't go into any detail and he misses a lot of things its petty ridiculous that people pay like $300 for this
Yeah, I'm always am thinking the exact same thing that you are going to say right before you say it!! LoL
typical delusional player common in america
As a matter of fact, I knew what Neace was going to say while I was cooking food and not looking at the screen lmao
@@Iron4TrollPatrol I dunno man, watch enough of Neace's videos and you could predict what he says based on his teaching style
@@MrGreenYeti re the student not the comment
Maybe your thinking similar things, but both you and Neace doesnt need to focus on any ingame thing. It’s so easy to think the player is stupid while spectating like this, meanwhile the reality is the fact that he is managing 3-4 things and tryna think like Neace do. Not easy at all
I like this guy, people are so afraid to ask why he makes decisions when thats what you literally paid for. Learning is done by being curious.
Every detail you mention and predict about the game is right. It's great to look at pros and their outlook on the game. I'm definitely learning a lot from this channel.
There was an aspect of this match where his friends prediction rings true. There were instances where syndra was in a power position, like having ahri or yone under tower, and the student was still super reticent to step up and auto the tower and threaten diving.
Yeah but that gold player is thinking a big dick play is flashing and sidestepping a bunch of skill shots. In reality the “big dick play” is just using your wave to get things and threatening otherwise with your high burst.
I'd be offended if I were the student and I saw how Neace framed my coaching session.
The dude sounded nice and reflected, even got to the extent of trying to clarify his words.
To you, the dude in question, you deserved a better title/edit, have a good one!
Nah bro, he clearly tried to say he knew practically everything he was being coached about. It was only when Neace proved him wrong that he backed down on his argument. The EGO is real here.
@@KoFkrai Not really
@@KoFkrai listen again to what he said. Of course, he'd already see the wave and think "I'm gonna hardpush it" before Neace tells him to. He doesn't have horrible macro, so he will see some things right at the same time as Neace who then has to tell him. He even clarified that he wouldn't have seen or done many things without Neace's explanations/instructions but that there were a few things Neace said that he saw before.
the dude clearly was delusional and thinks he would do those things even if neace was not with him, and he was not
I honestly loved that I came across this channel!! I’ve been applying these suggestions and guidance in my plays and not only have I gotten better champion ratings and victories, but finally began climbing after hitting a wall for the longest time in ranked. My biggest thanks and utmost respect!!
Love your videos, feels like I learn or get reminded of something every game to improve on.
LOL brother, if it wasnt for neace reminding you that evelynn exists, you wouldve given 10 shutdowns
23:30 I totaly know what he is thinking. That was my mentality until i started to watch your videos. I understand now.
I legit starting playing league for the first time 3 days ago and I can’t stop binging these videos. I feel as though I’m starting to learn good habits and other common sense that isn’t natural to new players just because of how big of a beast league is. These videos are definitely inspiring me to try and climb and improve so that I can start playing ranked, thanks
Try dota2
I think Neace misinterpreted this guy. I don't think his ego was majorly in the wrong place when u watch the whole thing. He seemed prty keen to clarify and analyse things at the debrief phase. A bit clickbait, but good video.
looked like he was looking for any reason to be pissed off, and he just got up like his client said some stupid shit, when really the client, he never articulated anything of a caliber that would really merit that response from Neace? Trying hard to make a walk off happen and chat go nuts? That guy wasn't being rude, he was just trying to level with him and understand neace's calls.
A coach that doesnt let his client explain his thought process, doesnt let his clients ask questions and contantly shuts them down is a bad coach, as a oach you need to go over why we are doing things, nor just giving them instructions. How will rhey learn from that???
Okay this one was a little extreme Neace... Challenging and questioning teaching is something that students should do, shouldn't you just take their word for it? There's no reason for him to bullshit you, and he's clearly a nice and honest guy, getting offended because he knew a lot of stuff doesn't make sense since he's trying to find out what his weaknesses were, okay, he knew about a lot of the aggressive plays you wanted him to make, of course he did, not all students are dumbasses, but maybe criticise the other things.
exactly. Automatically assuming everything you're telling the student is completely new and foreign to them is just arrogant.
I think the problem here is, Neace coaches for a living, there are many people who pretend they already know x y and z for ego reasons, but it's clearly not evident in their gameplay, nervous or not.
It's insulting to a teacher you are paying $200 for to act like you know already.
You're getting coaching because you're not getting the results you want, and you want to improve, so a productive way of doing that is to not undermine your teacher, and to focus on the things you clearly aren't doing, whether you truly 'thought it' or not.
I understand what you're saying, but challenging and questioning things is different from what this client was doing initially. Notice how the client actually asked genuine questions after the fact, and Neace happily answered them.
@@devilix123987 Yes indeed. I've been in both of their positions and I know. Sure as a student you need to respect a teacher take what they're telling you to heart, and trust in the guidance, however that doesn't mean turn off your brain and accept every command like a robot, we must still use our own judgement as students, nothing wrong with asking why, and giving your own opinion of a situation.
@@devilix123987 Sure, but, Actual teachers teach for a similar if not lower salary, and teach entire classrooms, and yet, you are more likely to be praised if you come prepared with knowledge, why is that? It's not like teachers don't care about their jobs, no, it's not about that.
It has to do with the fact that Teachers respect and encourage teachers to make good decisions, Neace isn't encouraging making good decision making if he's going to say that this guy doesn't know what he's doing, he's going to doubt himself more.
A huge part of league of legends is confidence, and that's being discouraged because Neace feels offended by something that clearly wasn't meant to offend. Of course it's understandable that he was a bit upset that the student would clearly say that they knew some of the things, but it's not professional or constructive to be offended by it, Neace should be encouraging the guy to keep making decisions that fall in line with Neace's own ideas.
He wasn't trying to undermine Neace, he simply wanted to make it clear that he's on his way to understanding, he's got a grasp, just that he's not quite there yet. Shouldn't Neace help him bridge that gap? Instead of getting angry that he already started bridging it beforehand? You should always prepare for your classes, no?
@@Fjallkloka_Aventyr Mhm I agree, but that's not what was happening here.
Plus in a game like league, generally it would be best to go over the VoD afterwards and ask/express these questions/uncertainties, which is what the student did afterward - which was good.
Neace was checking a text so
He didn’t actually hear everything the guy was
Saying at the end there, solid coaching 🙂
You can kinda already tell how they are ticking, when they analyse the matchup in the loading screen
I don’t think it really comes off as a challenge, but more as thinking stuff like “ok, maybe I should do this” but never acting on that thought that may be correct. As a gold/plat player, I often have that thought of doing the right thing but I don’t act on it due to laziness, going in autopilot, greed or overconfidence and I think that’s what the trainee meant. Not necessarily “predicting” what Neace was going to instruct him, but rather considering it as one of many choices, even if it would’ve gotten ignored.
3:25 you can hear Eve q. I'm not sure why since there's no vision, but sounds are important in league if you can hear them!
Hey neace i know you probably dont play syndra but as a high elo syndra main id like to point out there is a lot of mechanical errors in this syndra gameplay which doesnt just come down to aim a lot of it comes down to having the wrong framework and the sequencing of abilities. This player has a tendency to press q e right off the jump and whiff which is common in lower elo and is why i do not recommend syndra to low elo players.
Some examples are at 3:30 he finds eve in a place where she either has to flash to get out or is dead. He should open with autos and q and save the e for w. It should also be mentioned that w->e is something like 40% faster than q->e and should always be used when trying to stun melee champions as it has a lot more consistency. He ends up missing a potential kill because of this
Another example is at 8:20 the play works out anyways but he once again tries to use q on yone and immediately whiffs e. He should be looking to only use e after ult so that he cant miss. I like q->w->q->r->e in this situations but even q->r->e works here. Like i said it works out in this case but the framework is wrong. I feel like the sequencing of abilities is the most important thing on syndra because in higher elo any whiff gets severely punished because of the long cd on this crucial ability
He has some decent mechanics, what’s crazy is 6 seasons ago those would be masters+ level dodges on some of these things and now it’s just an above average gold mechanic
any player that was masters in season 6 would shit on any gold player today still. gold elo isnt that much better than it was 5 years ago
@@knoflookbrood7135 yeah ofc I’m saying mechanics which is one tiny factor into an overall skill level
@@hiddenlights2809 master players in s6 were also mechanically much better than gold players are now in my opinion
@@knoflookbrood7135 on average yes but I’m commenting on this specific player in this specific game comparing to avg master in s6
@@hiddenlights2809 i mean sure even bronze players can make individual plays that a master player would make. but on average this game was definitely not master level mechanics.
havent played league in forever, addicted to these vids
yeah the pinging of spells being recieved as some sort of flame and mostly resulting in just pings getting muted or ignored is smth that the game has nursed. In general all pings have been used more for flaming than for communication
i mena the newest itteration ... the "bait" ping has been literaly translated to the "hang yourself" ping
18:26 "no ooga" lmfao
He said he has dub step music playing and he’s going to all in us LMAO😂
Love that I can watch these coaching videos for free, it's so cool, hope I get out of silver soon 😃
the biggest thing that stood out to me here is the client seems to be thinking very binary with what he wants from this coaching session. "my friend said you might say im too aggressive, but it feels like you're saying the opposite" - well yes, but no. it isn't about aggression vs passive play. When you have all the indicators, and you know you're ahead and there's an easy pick, by all means flash and secure it, that's good aggression. The main problem the client made was making high variance (relying on team to do x and y) and slightly more risky and UNNECESSARY plays when already ahead, which is where neace said slow down and be incremental and lock in the lead with safety.
Agreed especially with your last point. All it takes is one bubble chained into a charm, into a yone ult and he pops before he can even zhonyas. That's how these 8-1 leads turn into 10-9 by the end of the game. Seen it too many times with players who don't know how to win with their leads.
Shit on these kids Neace. You the best.
No YOU'RE breathtaking.
@@marchoo9849 It's a Keanu Reeves reference.
So I’m seeing a lot of comments saying it’s cool to have the same ideas as your coach and to voice that should not be a big deal. Seen.
I think a more important conversation is that when an individual’s attention is being put somewhere, if you value the source of that data point, you should take care to pay attention.
Something I say a lot in relation to adhd is if most people need to hear something 3 times to internalize it I need to hear it 7 times. Just because I have herd something before doesn’t make it a bad take. I am having my attention guided to a point of high value, I should pay attention
This coming from someone who has played this game for only one week but I’m not really talking about league stuff, I’m talking about skill acquisition 🙏🏽🤙🏽
Never even once thought taking a turret could be a bad thing. But, I can see now how sometimes opening up the map allows for the enemy team to come back. The thing I really like about Neace’s content is he teaches people how to play in THAT team/game. Yes, personal development is important, but he mostly tries to get people to understand the team-sport aspect.
I've never seen neace be so worried a bout champion before they even get fed
Implement a system where if you are challenged by them, challenge them to do tedious drills, over and over again to make them understand. They will know why they had to repeat that drill and try not to do it again. Win win
I love the response from the guy getting coached. He went into comments to explain how what he was doing wasn't about ego. Lol. Yes, his ego was so unaffected that he had to run to comments snd explain.
Best of all, by his own words it was about ego. "You guys don't get it. I wasn't that for ego, I was just saying it so that everyone watching would know that I was actually already thinking stuff before he said it.
Ummm...that's ego dude. You JUST said your only point was so that people would know you knew
Ok if had a video about you made, essentially tarnishing your reputation, wouldn't you do the same or is that too egotistical?
Great coaching session, i for sure would see myself making a lot of the mistakes that neace told him not to!
Haha I have to agree with Neace. This guy’s ego is blinding him so much.. When he leaves Gold, players will punish him very very hard.
its not an ego issue if I accept what Neace said in regards to my misplays/issues are.
@@austinmcgill3338 I hope you will climb well then. I’m in the same elo and I have exactly the same habits. But looking at what Neace is saying, it really does make sense.
I don't think it was an ego issue either. It sounds good as a clickbait title, but I think for learning purposes, him voicing his opinion was completely fine, because this also gives Neace insights to give better feedback if he knows his opinion.
If the person was like "yeah, yeah" and didn't try to say what he's really thinking then he might not learn at all. At least if you try to question you will be engaged and being engaged will definitely help you learn or adjust your opinions.
Neace during the game told him to do something, but he didn't have time to explain it fully, so it's good the student brought up those scenarios.
@@austinmcgill3338 acknowledging and accepting are not the same thing. You acknowledged that he knew things you didn't and also knew things you did. You didn't accept that regardless of if, "you thought a lot of what he was saying", your gameplay is indicative of that not being the truth or at the very least not an accurate statement. I don't think it's the ego holding you back but I don't think the title is wrong either. If you're paying someone to teach you beyond asking, trying to learn more, it's best to be silent. We don't always need to voice our opinions and if you can't do that then maybe ego is an issue. "You don't always have to be the loudest voice in the room". No hate at all, sorry for the wall of text.
@@jkil32 "it's best to be silent"
Hard and complete disagree here. If you are silent Neace won't be able to know what kind of reasoning or strategic errors you might have in your head and he will not be able to calibrate those thoughts.
It's seriously just not about ego. It's also not about being the loudest voice in the room. Yes, Neace can see your gameplay and try to correct that, but far more important are the thoughts or reasoning you have behind the decisions you make to point out any common obstacles from playing optimally.
During this gameplay, Neace could yell out orders and commands, but he didn't have enough time to explain the full reasoning. Him, bringing up these points and what he thought, is what helps Neace address the issues.
Because this student brought up the thoughts he had, the discussion lead to a very interesting topic of making incremental low risk gains after gaining an advantage to complete the game. If the client was quiet and just did what was told, I'm not sure he would have understood that the reason he loses most games is because he takes too risky decisions when ahead, which can cause too many throws.
"Lord save me" lmao
Please just watch this guy on a loop if you are a new player.
Would save you soo much pain...
lmao, if I got coaching, I would tell my coach to backseat the f**k out of me, literally control every movement i do and flame me (politely and respectfully) everytime i fuck up. I didn't pay you to tell me I did a good job, I paid you to teach me shit. ty for epic video btw neace
Tracking people in fog is the beggest issue for me, and I have no idea how to learn it.
I coached myself into platinum now i'ma watch free content for tips. Damn look how frugal I am haha
Dopa rule of thumb. 4 deaths is a lot. Anything more is too many. If you die 4 or more times you didn’t play well enough
hahah saw the intro, HOLY FUCK FOLKS; THIS IS WHAT WE BEEN WAITING FOR NEACE AT ITS BEST RAGE JAJAJJAJA
"AGHHHHHHHHHH"
"huh?"
I will never understand these people who pay through the nose for a challanger level coach to tell them how to play, only to IGNORE everything said coach tells them to do or says, and then acts as if they already knew it or knew better in their plays yet they've never even come CLOSE to challanger
So in other words only Tryndamere has big deek plays 🤣🤣🤣
Control Mages gotta sit on the bench until coach calls em in
"Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"
"....Huh?"
No the guy spitting straight facts
Dude is sick on syndra!
Syndra is an easy champ. I main jungle but I have played syndra and carried
"bezos money" lmao
As Syndra otp it hurt my eyes to see him spamming E so much. That's the only escape. But so often I see people in lower elo randomly throwing their e farming waves when they can literally have evelynn jumping on them and thats the only way they have to escape leaving them to be free kills. Doing this in d5+ elo will leave you killed as fk.
Why is it that so many players that know more about the game than Neace is paying for coaching?..
You hella fun to watch man! //Worthless player just trying to be better than his younger brothers
lol that beat thoooo
dude this guy is good lol
Props to the editor
"my time invested"....except that's literally the opposite of what's happening.
the STUDENT is investing their time...AND money...
you are being paid to be here. how is your perspective so warped to think the exact opposite than you should?
YOU are the one being hired. You SERVE the STUDENT. He hired YOU. YOU are the one that something is expected of, not the student. Get your ego out of your coachings.
Well I do agree with that idea of him putting ego in coaching. Like "why am I here then" or like you said "my time invested". I think when he says these things it's to try and get the person he's coaching to listen up and pay attention. Like yeah your right I'm waisting my money and time listening to you. At least that's what I get but you never know ig.
this
i cant watch this. im 30 seconds in, i cant do it. Its to cringe. (the student)
(32 min later) good vid. I flinched from that intro soooooooo hard.
daily reminder that ego is your number one reason for not climbing
lmao, no it isnt. YOu kids and this "anti ego" trope is starting to get old. Guess professional sports players never have an ego? Newsflash, almost all of them do. Morons.
It really isn't though. ego can play a part in it but the players ego is rarely the primary contributing factor. You also don't seem to be accounting for the four other egos on your team...or really any variables.
This game is very different from football and other sports. Not accepting your mistakes is the easiest way never improve. Not just in league but life too. You both talk about how ego doesn’t matter in league of legends yet you both come off with huge egos.
You also talk about professional sports players having ego when NFL players are the 1.6% of college players.
@@CharlieIsAthena "both come off as huge egos".
Why, because we are calling you out on your BS so you think that means we have an ego? Its clear you dont even know how to apply the word ego in context. Just another low iq troll masquerading as some intellectual.
We are done here.
@@libertybelllocks7476 believe what you want
Neace tell ur students they can ping things using Alt without using tab and searching things there.
thanks
I learned so fucking much from this video! Thanks man!
I cant tell if neace just win games for u, or actually teach you the game.
I wanna say it's kinda like stress testing? Except part of the intent is to beat it into the student that when they keep doing the things that are asked of them, it wins them the game.
It's difficult for some students to comprehend some concepts because some will not even attempt to entertain certain ideas in their gameplay.
A good example of this is the Shyvana player Neace coached on one his videos recently, they were always hesitating when Neace told him to do something he didn't believe would work. And quite frankly, it was really hard to watch. Then the one time he did exactly as Neace told him, he saw how well it worked, then for the rest of the game, he followed Neace's calls, and things went smoothly, they won the game with no problem.
Neace emphasising that he assisted you in winning that one game just enforces those patterns that he is trying to teach.
So really, he's trying to win the game for you IN ORDER to enforce what he is teaching you. (and win or lose, he can still go over things you did badly and how to fix them)
Plus, this style of coaching tries to encourage students to think ahead, and try to entertain (and maintain) these gameplay patterns and concepts before Neace can even tell you to do them, because if you don't listen, or do it too slowly, you get shouted at.
How many times does Neace say "ping" in this video?
Here's the thing... once humans are out of the teenage years, or for some, after the age of 5... they become more nuanced and complex... not everyone is ogabuga.... so you can't treat everyone as ogabuga until they prove they are ogabuga. =D by the way... GROUP!!! GROUP!!!!!!! (lol)
"Challenger" not once has this man proved his rank
Very good client - it's not "challenging your coaching", it's just trying to understand why he should do the things, you told him to do vs brainlessly doing stuff you're telling him to do and being helpless the next game when you're not there with him. If anything Neace needs to get his ego in check, because imo it's important that people now why they do shit and not "I do that, because my coach told me to".
26:05 I've always called these bounties as 'the blue shell effect'. Just like U say the game is a racing game, it's like Mario kart, in Mario kart the losers get a blue shell that takes out the leader to keep them in the game. It happens in cs:go and LoL, both highly competitive games where losers are rewarded for being bad in order to keep the game from being a complete stomp, the ability to shift the entire game n keep the losing team in the game.
Idk I think neace is a little over dramatic here like the student is clearly learning more because he’s asking questions and truthfully learning and self reflecting
It is about being passive aggresive not over confident imo.
another lock screen andy over here.
Can someone tell me what a Control Mage means?
William Dafoe
How to stop playing on autopilot? Its strong habit
How do I get to become a client?
That moment when a challenger player doesn't know karthus ult damage
this isnt a new thing for neace...
DOPAAA DOWNNNN
I dont understand why people pay for your coaching that think they know what youre going to say before you say it and act like they know everything - WHY ARE YOU SIGNING UP FOR COACHING THEN LOL. Sit down and listen and pay attention and emulate what the man you pay to coach you says lmaoo
Insane calls this game..!! Exciting game to watch and learn. Feels like that guy is quite arrogant though.
You can hardly argue with somebody in a normal way when you scream and don't listen to what they say. Then you post it to youtube, making it impossible to argue with you. Why not try to explain them, without screaming and directly shaming them, the problem?
Neace ur a wonderful coach but honestly some of your behaviour is really uncalled for. Feels like you flame this guy for comedic effect and youtube drama when he's genuinly just explaining his thoughts which there was no reason to doubt. Constantly interrupting him and making a scene doesnt make it better and just feels imature.
gold II 50 LP. exactly where i am rn
It aint necessarily bullshit, you can be thinking about it but not do it or do something else stupid instead.
Neace is cleansing the ego out of these shitters one by one. Maybe by 2040 we will have a playable game
What rank are you?
@@User556q He's a gold player who taunts others for being hardstuck gold
@@User556q wood 5 for the past 20 seasons
@@danielklotz3689 u wish
This client didn't act like a shitter with a massive ego. Yes he claimed to have thought of some of the things that Neace instructed him to do but was as quick to accept that he didn't at all think of some other things. He even accepts that he gets too cocky when he's ahead.
Imagine being lucky enough to encounter phase rush eve
Against Graves it's fine because if he ever walks into you and gets on top of you when W is on cd, you are 100% dead if you're not close enough to your lanes. Matching phase rush with Graves is okay if you have losing lanes (like mid for example, which Ahri v Syndra is losing for Ahri) that can't get prio and/or enemy champions don't get one-shot and you because Graves will otherwise easily take your whole jungle and you can't kill him generally speaking until you're ahead.
@@DarkCyberElf That is not your game though. You are never killing graves 1v1 anyway. The whole point of electrecute is to give you the ability to one shot, so you are not actually useless. I guess you can make an argument about the magic shield rune in sorc, but still you are evelynn, not something like diana for example. Your job is not to make sure you survive, but to be a one shot threat on the rift, keeping enemies at their toes and provoking mistakes. If you can't do that playing evelynn is worthless, there are simply better picks otherwise
How did I know he'd be a mid laner?
I agree with him, you are kinda cocky.. and tbh, I've been playing 3 months now, and much of what u said i already knew, lol. He's the most polite student you've had. But overall, great videos.
mans is almost 300 games and in gold and is trying to talk to neece like he knows how to play 😭
your level of ignorance is surprising
The only decent player on his team was the Alistair. Dude was a monster support for sure. Definitely would add someone like that.
So annoying when the student signs up for a lesson just to “show off.” Clearly backfires most of the time lol
Neace is Jordan Peterson of League of Legends.
have you been challenger.
What is crazy to me is that Nami/Lucian lost to an Alistar/Samira....
Well this student hurt my eyes . He's gold but playing at the tempo of a silver very slow and clicks are off
My lord 2 mins into Lanning and wtf am I watching doesn't push when having the advantage until told too do so this stuff he should be knowing brain melting
Bruh the Lucians name.....
Get help Neace
Way to toxic coach lol. ''After all i've done for you this game'', HE LITERALLY PAYS YOU.
Another wannabe who pulls up damage done knowing he's going on youtube as he talks back to the coach, or tries to blame not themselves for the loss. First noticed it with the hand leveller who refused to take personal responsibility and hit the CTRL key like an adult human. Nobody cares if you're king when your crown is Bronze.
Nah, Neace is overreacting hard. You can clearly tell by the student's tone at the end that he was being reflective and inquisitive, without a trace of ego or disrespect. It's actually quite the opposite. Neace has misinterpreted the student and now Neace's ego is showing.