Siyo, I'm an enrolled Eastern Band Cherokee and my land was in "hanging dog" outside of Murphy. I live north of Cherokee now. I usually don't open a lot of things about my people. But for a reason I decided to open you. Sgee. Thanks. Appreciate your story. And love seeing you and your children and the great interaction between y'all. ✌️💖😸, My name is, waya wessa... Katt trotting Wolf. An enrolled Eastern Band Cherokee. Much peace and love to you and yours. Your children are beautiful... They made me smile 😁...
Siyo! Thanks for those kind words Katt. I work on Raven Fork quite often at the trout farm. One of the most beautiful valleys in these mountains in my opinion.
“Cherokee Little People Were Real” by Mary A. Joyce is a book about the little people in Western North Carolina. She documents skeletons found and also small tunnels found at Western Carolina University.
There are legends in Ireland that are close to these stories. There were a race of little people that lived in the hills and caves of Ireland they were said the be wizards mystical people, before the Celtic came to be in Ireland. After the Celtic came in these little people disappeared no one knows what happened to them. Some people have said they left others said they died off others said they married into the celts... No one knows for sure. They were the Twoothadadan. I may have spelled it wrong.
Most Native tribes have little people stories especially in the Plains and Western states. I'm Lakota and we had them at Haskell Indian Nations University in Lawrence Kansas
The Tuath Dé Dannan are also believed to be a lost tribe of Israel...Tribe of Dan...with links to Denmark (Dan-mark?) it’s hard to find organized information about this topic.
@@fierybeacon8591 it’s not legend it’s true , there were thier Ireland . They found under a giant rock tunnels and passage ways … yep leprechauns were real !
Thank you for sharing. My grandmother was from the Cherokee of Appalachia. Her grandmother was displaced to Oklahoma on the trail of tears. When my grandma was alive she would share the ledgends her grandmother told her. One of the ledgends she told me was about the moon eyed people. This brought back memories of my childhood and the many Cherokee legends that my storyteller grandmother told me. Thank you for this video. Many blessings to you and your family. 🙏
Rachelle Proulx Thank you for commenting Rachelle! It so nice to hear that these legends were meaningful stories to the Cherokee and that the tradition of passing them on to the children hasn’t died. Blessings on you and your family!
You should write down what you remember, it is part of history. Earlier generations did this to pass on knowledge, ancestry, and honor previous generations.
Charles Price wrote a fascinating series of books that you would love! Starts with Hiawassee, a story of the civil war, about a soldiers return on foot through the Ga Mt,s. back to the Tusquittee valley. Best set of books if you love the local stories. I live in neighboring Clay County, I am blessed to have ridden most of the surrounding ridge lines on my horses. And the old Indian trails and hog trails that wind through the Nantahala's! Fires creek is beautiful! I am surrounded by the Nantahala forest . Your family will love these books. Thank you for blessing us with your adventures through this beautiful area!
@@HistoryHoundDetecting I hope you enjoy them as much as I did! Each book continues the story. If the first book starts slow, keep reading. Lol! I met the Author right in the center of town, Too cool, cause this is the area the books take place in. As beautiful as he describes in his books.
I lived in Murphy when I was a child, on Hill Street 1968 - 1971. I sang at the Episcopalian Church choir. Some good memories, some bad. I want to revisit.
Im in Oregon and we bought raw property from our local tribe it use to be reservation when we first moved here I was working in our garden I was the only one home and I started hearing flute music it went on for several minutes suddenly just stopped I was told there the little people who protect the forest ❤
thank you for this video! i grew up on the NC/SC border hearing the stories and seeing artifacts of our past but the little people , Chakakulla and the invisible people will always be my favorite! i am an off trail backpacker and have heard and seen some wild stuff that makes me ponder much. ounce i told a story about the great white rabbit then one of little people that involved the rock throwing which happened near pilot knob about a mile from our camp. my friend made fun of the little people and i said aloud to appologize. he did half a//. around midnite we discovered a carved evil fanged rabbit head on a piece of board propped up on a tree right in front of our hammocks that was definitly not there when we set up. several trips later he backtacked to retreve his hiking stick and returned white as snow mutered the word leprechan sat down by the creek and not speak of it to this day. i believe just don,t understand. i saw on the abc13 news in 92 a story on some of the caves discovered near Franklin but have never seen it again and im still searching for it.
I love that you take your children to museums and are instilling a love for history, especially for your own region. It will give them a great sense of belonging!
Thank you for posting this. My wife is over 3/4 Welsh (Edwards) and I recently discovered I'm about 1/8 Welsh (Davis). My wife has studied the history that shows the Welsh was living in America long before 1492. The Indians in the area were using small boats called coracles that were used traditionally by the Welsh. In 2018 we visited Wales and I must say Wales is the most beautiful place I have ever been to. I hope one day we can make it to NC to visit this museum.
There's a book called The King Arthur Conspiracy by Grant Berkley and it documents the Welsh fleet that landed there. A Welsh Admiral was blown off course and discovered the East Coast. He charted his current position and was able to return to Wales. King Arthur sent something like 400 ships to Kentucky led by his Brother Maddoc Pendragon. They spread from there, all over America. When Louis and Clark took their expedition to the Pacific, they brought Welsh speakers to converse with the Indians. They found Maddoc's sword I believe with the Delaware Indians. Alabama's Supreme Court has a mural of Maddoc fighting Indians in full armor. Cool that your wife knows that history. It's deliberately suppressed and very few people have ever even heard those stories.
Prince Madoc was the bastard son of the king Own of Gwynedd. He was an explorer. In 1171 he returned from a voyage claiming to have found a bountiful land across the ocean. Two ships, the Gwynedd Gorn and the Sans Petr were outfitted for an expedition, one ship under the command of prince maddoc and the other under an elder brother. They departed in 1173 and that was the last that was heard of them in Wales. The Cherokee told of a band of white men who came into what is now know as mobile bay and pushed up the Hiwihassie river...for what its worth one of the large navigable creeks near there is named the escataba...which supposedly means mad dog...mad dog/maddoc a curiosity. Apparently they had encountered a big storm (hurricane) and the ships became separated. There are stories of a white mens ship in the yucatan...so maybe one made it there. Maddocs band intermarried with local indians, but latter convlicts drove them north into the mountains where they supposedly resettled a d fortified. It is worth noting the floor plant of old stone fort Alabama is the same as Dolwydellen, Maddocs home castle in Gwynedd. Over the years the population was pressed west until the crossed the MS. Then they were lost to the memory of the Cherokee. Next in the west early explorers encountered the mandan whose language up until the 1830s (they were nearly wiped out by small pox and move in with the souix) contained what sounded like several welsh words. More interestingly they made corracles as are made in Wales, and they carved particular thistle patterns into the handles of of their paddles...the only others like them found in a handful of villages on two rivers in the old kingdom of Gwynedd. And Spanish maps for a couple of centuries labeled the gulf of Mexico as the gulf of Wales because they were uncertain if the Catholic Welsh had prior claim. In my opinion the story of the welsh explorers was conflated with that of the moon eyed people
I first heard of the moon eyed people as a very young boy from my elders - but nothing of the full story you provided. As usual, another outstanding presentation. Happy Birthday, Ben!
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We know the Druids fled Wales, Scotland and Ireland with Welch Prince Madoc/ Madog ab Owain Gwynedd. They came to America when Christianity overtook their homelands, killing Druids. There is mention of them by a Sottish trader and Cherokee Chief Oconostota. You can even GOOGLE search: Prince Madoc and Chief Oconostota. Cherokee Chief said they were pushed West. It is said some 70,000 Druids came to America in several migrations aboard Viking long boats led by Prince Madoc. Lewis and Clark found Mandan Indians speaking with some Welch words and using Irish style coracle boats. LOTS of references to Welch being a trade language known by Colonial and Revolutionary times. Madoc sailed around 1170. Some could have stayed in NC. Interesting story.
Great video Ben. Huge kudos to you for instilling a passion and interest in history in your children. On top of that, they got a great lesson in charity by donating your finds to the museum. Great job , loved that small iron and thoroughly enjoyed the video. HH Greg
When I was young , I remember the old people talking about the moon eyed people. Dark completions and blue eyes. They talked about small enclaves of them in the mountains of the southeast. I remember them saying there was one around Chattanooga, Tenn. possibly to the west of the city. When I got older I thought that it was just families of mixed Cherokee heritage. Many of these families still exist in the area. They tended to hide their ancestry, because of the injustice of the forced removal by the government.
I’ve read recently about a Tennessee farmer finding a little people burial place while digging. Stone coffins with three foot human remains inside. Estimated 70,000 to 100,00 buried there. Fascinating :) My grandmother’s people are from Tennessee and have Cherokee heritage.
The ones West of Chattanooga, in Cumberland Plateau area, are Melungeons. Many VERY INBRED. They are NOT the Moon Eyed People. I am not descended from these people, but I know people who are.
All accounts until your comment said that they were very light skinned. Interesting how they were here even before natives and the natives kicked them out. So the land in the south were not originally native Indians as we are taught today. Very interesting
@@littledancingfawn It doesn't mean that the whole southern United States was originally inhabited by white people. There were many people mixing together for thousands of years. If there had been white people there they were probably from ships blown off course. Why would an entire population die out or leave and nothing but Native people left by the time colonists arrived. My husband's family are members of the Muskogee Creek tribe and the Five Civilized Tribes were all over that area
@@gnostic268 it was said that they the moon eyed people lived up to the Mississippi River. So they were all over the south East. Some people even say that the Mayans were in Georgia/ North Carolina. There are petroglyphs in Blairsville Georgia and mounds in Georgia that are similar to those in Central America and Mexico. Too bad people didn’t write down their history instead or just oral history. Because with out proof, honestly no one knows if the Europeans Chineses ( natives being Chinese that crossed the ice bridge) etc were actually here first or the first in certain areas of the US. . It really doesn’t matter though. Every country on the planet has seized someone else’s land. The US is no different. On a slightly different note, Blairsville Georgia is the only place in the US that has brought 6 tribes back ( very hard to organize and formally invite 6 tribe leaders. Lots of red tape) and were recognized that this was their land. In a ceremony, a commission bronze art piece ( native playing stick ball) by a Cherokee artist sits on top of a boulder in our major park looking over it was unveiled asa part of the ceremony. One of the tribe leaders told the the organizers a story passed on ( which was put in the newspaper).The chief said they would be going “home” and it would happen in 200 years. The first conversation where they were invited back to blairsville was 197 years later. It took a little over 2 years to organize the event, so the chief was off by 1 year in his prophetic statement. That story brought tears to my eyes. Oh the reason why no whites lasted in the US? Easy. Natives ran them off or killed them. There might have been more natives than whites and they overtook them. Again, it happened all over the world. There is a little evidence of different nationalities all over the US if you look into it.
Awesome story. One thing i can say, Indians never lied about things like this. It was real too them. Just like the sasquatch. Just like the shapeshifter and the hellhounds. Interesting none the less. Thanku! Also, i do believe in ghosts and enities. Ive seen both.. call me crazy. But when you encounter one, then you'll be a believer too ..
There is usually a few grains of corn Ruth in every legend. To bad the Cherokee didn’t have a written history to really preserve the things they encountered when they moved into this area.
Fascinating. Not to add more fog to your study but of interest. I grew up in Norther Michigan. Near Bear Lake in Manistee county the early settlers described burial mounds that the indians said were from a race of small people that were there before the indians. Some said they killed those people off and others said they were gone before the indians came to that area. The mounds were opened and small skeletons were found in layers within the mounds. Unfortunately the early settlers dismantled the mounds for farming and I know of no artifaces that exist today from them.
Wow! That interesting how a story with very similar deregulation can be spread over such a large area. It’s not like the Bigfoot legend where everyone can create a story about the big scary monster in the dark...it’s odd in its details. I guess that’s why some experts give the little people some credence.
My mother was a Rossville GA native. Her maternal grandmother was Cherokee, maiden name Brown. One of her doctors told her that she was part Welsh. She shrugged & told him she didn’t know of any family history being Welsh. That would fit in her/my genealogy. Incredible❤
Indeed it is awesome. And it is excellent to see a man with his children happily as it should be. Amazing bit of history. First time I’ve ever looked at your channel. If I am ever in that area again. I will have to look up the museum. Great video. God bless you and your family.
The river explanation makes so much sense. I'd heard the Welsh connection before but had never heard the river one. Very cool video. I truly enjoy visiting smaller local museums. You can learn so much and see so many interesting things. Thanks so much for sharing. Take care and be safe.
First time watching ur channel but now a subscriber. Love all history and love ppl with the same passion. Thank you fir a great video and a great channel
mandy decosta So glad you found the channel Mandy! I appreciate the kind words and support. I see you watched the Mooneyed people video. If you like Native American artifacts you’ll like my next video! Still in the process of filming but on to a very cool site!
Ben I say this after I watch your videos every time. Thanks for the history lesson. Incredible story. That's what makes your videos so good and interesting to view. Thanks for today's lesson.
Wow it is so refleshing to see a dad and his kids enjoying the local museum. Their enthusiasm is heartwarming. You must be a good dad. God bless. America right there.
The Welch did come here before Columbus, but they had nothing to do with the Moon Eyed people. The Moon Eyed people were here way before the Cherokee. Welsh people, while being light skinned and can have blue eyes, were not 2 or 3 feet tall. You will find that Native people told the truth about such things. The Moon Eyed people were real, they may still be.
@@sheilacape4794 I have read that some of the Cherokee believe they came up from what is now Mexico. I don’t know if the tribe has a tradition about this as a whole.
Wow, fascinating story! I’ve never heard of the moon eyed people. I will definitely have to do some research. Love those type of museums. Great to see the kids interested in history. Your kids are adorable. Thanks so much for sharing! HH! ~ Gypsy
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Man this is great content I love that the kids are so excited by history and I especially love all the native peoples artifacts super dope content keep up the good work
Watching this reminded me of the trips our family would take in Minnesota. We would stop at every road side memorial plaque and read them. If my dad or mother heard about a museum we would pack lunches and drive to visit them. Old cemeteries too. Long abandoned towns. It was a wonderful way to grow up. Blessings on you and your family and friends and any livestock you might have wandering around the house and yard. Subscribed.🌱⛺
I actually visited Fort Mountain as a child, and recall well the legends of the moon-eyed people. I don't believe they had anything to do with Welsh settlers, however, and were likely from a far older migration. The Solutrean hypothesis speaks of people coming to the land long before people crossed the Bering land bridge, and there is a lot of evidence supporting this theory. It's believed that some early people in northern Europe were already light skinned, and these would have been Ice Age peoples, which we are told is one of the reasons people developed light skin. DNA evidence, spear points, and more support this idea. There would have been fewer of these people, though, than those that crossed from Asia later, so they would have been overcome. The DNA supports this as well. I think that's who they were. If you haven't been to Fort Mountain, it's worth a visit. Something compelling about that place. Regarding the statue; has it been dated at all? I haven't heard about it before. Fascinating.
The Solutreans lived over 30,000 years ago. There was another Ice Age in the meantime. I doubt they lasted that long without any other corroborating evidence being found
I wish I knew about this place. I definitely have to go there when I come back. So nice of you to donate your finds but i wanted that little iron when i saw it on your display. Lol. What cool history you have in Cherokee county.
Haha! It was hard to part with the little iron. It was the first “Old” thing I ever found with a detector. But hopefully it will be more appreciated at the museum.
Great video brother thanks for sharing. Love the history. FT Mountain. Is right where I live. I could have spent days walking around that museum. I might have to make a little trip there soon. Good luck and happy hunting.
Cool video. Live here in NC. And never heard of them.....got LOTS of points, arrow heads. GREAT .too learn about history of moon eye people....cool cool
Man Ben that was a great video,these kind of videos are awesome I have a feeling u might take over as curator there when your friend retires,If I'm ever down your way ima visit you both,HH Ben
I'm in Blairsville, have been my entire life, and I never even knew Murphy had such a treasure. This video, along with the comment about Fort Mountain made me realize just how criminally underappreciated I've left my own backyard given my interest in folklore in general. I'm definitely blocking off a few hours soon to take a quick trip up there and look around for myself.
Tacet Check our the Cherokee County Museum’s Facebook page before you make the drive....they may still be closed due to COVID. Thanks so much for watching!
Ben there is a book out that is suppose to be a copy of Mr. Lewis of the Lewis and Clark expedition journal that he kept ! Which tell of supposedly all of the stuff that they found during their expedition . Thank you the interesting video and I had heard of the Moon Eyed People !
Great video I really enjoyed it very much And loved learning about the moon eyed people. Very interesting that they say they came from wales! And they keep saying that columbus discovered america, it's just sad. Do subscriber today keep it going!
Siyo, I'm an enrolled Eastern Band Cherokee and my land was in "hanging dog" outside of Murphy. I live north of Cherokee now. I usually don't open a lot of things about my people. But for a reason I decided to open you.
Sgee. Thanks. Appreciate your story. And love seeing you and your children and the great interaction between y'all. ✌️💖😸, My name is, waya wessa... Katt trotting Wolf. An enrolled Eastern Band Cherokee. Much peace and love to you and yours. Your children are beautiful... They made me smile 😁...
Siyo! Thanks for those kind words Katt. I work on Raven Fork quite often at the trout farm. One of the most beautiful valleys in these mountains in my opinion.
Hello, katt trotting wolf. May i ask, what is Siyo mean?
Si yo means Hello
“Cherokee Little People Were Real” by Mary A. Joyce is a book about the little people in Western North Carolina. She documents skeletons found and also small tunnels found at Western Carolina University.
There are legends in Ireland that are close to these stories. There were a race of little people that lived in the hills and caves of Ireland they were said the be wizards mystical people, before the Celtic came to be in Ireland. After the Celtic came in these little people disappeared no one knows what happened to them. Some people have said they left others said they died off others said they married into the celts... No one knows for sure. They were the Twoothadadan. I may have spelled it wrong.
The Tuath Dé Danann have epically cool legends about them:)
Wow, very interesting, this is the first I have heard of this. Could this be where the "leprechauns" came from?
Most Native tribes have little people stories especially in the Plains and Western states. I'm Lakota and we had them at Haskell Indian Nations University in Lawrence Kansas
The Tuath Dé Dannan are also believed to be a lost tribe of Israel...Tribe of Dan...with links to Denmark (Dan-mark?) it’s hard to find organized information about this topic.
@@fierybeacon8591 it’s not legend it’s true , there were thier Ireland . They found under a giant rock tunnels and passage ways … yep leprechauns were real !
Thank you for sharing. My grandmother was from the Cherokee of Appalachia. Her grandmother was displaced to Oklahoma on the trail of tears. When my grandma was alive she would share the ledgends her grandmother told her. One of the ledgends she told me was about the moon eyed people. This brought back memories of my childhood and the many Cherokee legends that my storyteller grandmother told me. Thank you for this video. Many blessings to you and your family. 🙏
Rachelle Proulx Thank you for commenting Rachelle! It so nice to hear that these legends were meaningful stories to the Cherokee and that the tradition of passing them on to the children hasn’t died. Blessings on you and your family!
You should write down what you remember, it is part of history. Earlier generations did this to pass on knowledge, ancestry, and honor previous generations.
Make a video!! I'd love to hear about them 😍🥰
Charles Price wrote a fascinating series of books that you would love! Starts with Hiawassee, a story of the civil war, about a soldiers return on foot through the Ga Mt,s. back to the Tusquittee valley. Best set of books if you love the local stories. I live in neighboring Clay County, I am blessed to have ridden most of the surrounding ridge lines on my horses. And the old Indian trails and hog trails that wind through the Nantahala's! Fires creek is beautiful! I am surrounded by the Nantahala forest . Your family will love these books. Thank you for blessing us with your adventures through this beautiful area!
Not sure how I missed this comment for two weeks! I’ll definitely be checking on those books. Sounds right down my alley!
@@HistoryHoundDetecting I hope you enjoy them as much as I did! Each book continues the story. If the first book starts slow, keep reading. Lol! I met the Author right in the center of town, Too cool, cause this is the area the books take place in. As beautiful as he describes in his books.
I am Wales and Indian!!! LOL!!! It would be so awesome if they were my ancestors!!! ❤❤❤
Fact! I have seen many shows on these people and it goes very deep!
I lived in Murphy when I was a child, on Hill Street 1968 - 1971. I sang at the Episcopalian Church choir. Some good memories, some bad. I want to revisit.
The little town is growing fast. You should come visit. We moved here in 82.
Im in Oregon and we bought raw property from our local tribe it use to be reservation when we first moved here I was working in our garden I was the only one home and I started hearing flute music it went on for several minutes suddenly just stopped I was told there the little people who protect the forest ❤
thank you for this video!
i grew up on the NC/SC border hearing the stories and seeing artifacts of our past but the little people , Chakakulla and the invisible people will always be my favorite!
i am an off trail backpacker and have heard and seen some wild stuff that makes me ponder much. ounce i told a story about the great white rabbit then one of little people that involved the rock throwing which happened near pilot knob about a mile from our camp. my friend made fun of the little people and i said aloud to appologize. he did half a//. around midnite we discovered a carved evil fanged rabbit head on a piece of board propped up on a tree right in front of our hammocks that was definitly not there when we set up.
several trips later he backtacked to retreve his hiking stick and returned white as snow mutered the word leprechan sat down by the creek and not speak of it to this day. i believe just don,t understand.
i saw on the abc13 news in 92 a story on some of the caves discovered near Franklin but have never seen it again and im still searching for it.
I love that you take your children to museums and are instilling a love for history, especially for your own region. It will give them a great sense of belonging!
Thank you for posting this. My wife is over 3/4 Welsh (Edwards) and I recently discovered I'm about 1/8 Welsh (Davis). My wife has studied the history that shows the Welsh was living in America long before 1492. The Indians in the area were using small boats called coracles that were used traditionally by the Welsh.
In 2018 we visited Wales and I must say Wales is the most beautiful place I have ever been to. I hope one day we can make it to NC to visit this museum.
B L Thanks for the comment. I hope you get to visit. The museum is small but loaded with incredible history!
There's a book called The King Arthur Conspiracy by Grant Berkley and it documents the Welsh fleet that landed there. A Welsh Admiral was blown off course and discovered the East Coast. He charted his current position and was able to return to Wales. King Arthur sent something like 400 ships to Kentucky led by his Brother Maddoc Pendragon. They spread from there, all over America. When Louis and Clark took their expedition to the Pacific, they brought Welsh speakers to converse with the Indians. They found Maddoc's sword I believe with the Delaware Indians. Alabama's Supreme Court has a mural of Maddoc fighting Indians in full armor. Cool that your wife knows that history. It's deliberately suppressed and very few people have ever even heard those stories.
Prince Madoc was the bastard son of the king Own of Gwynedd. He was an explorer. In 1171 he returned from a voyage claiming to have found a bountiful land across the ocean. Two ships, the Gwynedd Gorn and the Sans Petr were outfitted for an expedition, one ship under the command of prince maddoc and the other under an elder brother. They departed in 1173 and that was the last that was heard of them in Wales. The Cherokee told of a band of white men who came into what is now know as mobile bay and pushed up the Hiwihassie river...for what its worth one of the large navigable creeks near there is named the escataba...which supposedly means mad dog...mad dog/maddoc a curiosity. Apparently they had encountered a big storm (hurricane) and the ships became separated. There are stories of a white mens ship in the yucatan...so maybe one made it there. Maddocs band intermarried with local indians, but latter convlicts drove them north into the mountains where they supposedly resettled a d fortified. It is worth noting the floor plant of old stone fort Alabama is the same as Dolwydellen, Maddocs home castle in Gwynedd. Over the years the population was pressed west until the crossed the MS. Then they were lost to the memory of the Cherokee.
Next in the west early explorers encountered the mandan whose language up until the 1830s (they were nearly wiped out by small pox and move in with the souix) contained what sounded like several welsh words. More interestingly they made corracles as are made in Wales, and they carved particular thistle patterns into the handles of of their paddles...the only others like them found in a handful of villages on two rivers in the old kingdom of Gwynedd. And Spanish maps for a couple of centuries labeled the gulf of Mexico as the gulf of Wales because they were uncertain if the Catholic Welsh had prior claim.
In my opinion the story of the welsh explorers was conflated with that of the moon eyed people
Yes
In Alabama, there is a legend about Prince Madoc and his warriors that came from Wales.
There's a book called The King Arthur Conspiracy by Grant Berkley. It tells you exactly who these people are and how they got there.
I first heard of the moon eyed people as a very young boy from my elders - but nothing of the full story you provided. As usual, another outstanding presentation. Happy Birthday, Ben!
Wow! It’s interesting to hear that the legend was widely known by a previous generation. I wish we could know for sure how much truth there was in it.
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We know the Druids fled Wales, Scotland and Ireland with Welch Prince Madoc/ Madog ab Owain Gwynedd. They came to America when Christianity overtook their homelands, killing Druids. There is mention of them by a Sottish trader and Cherokee Chief Oconostota. You can even GOOGLE search: Prince Madoc and Chief Oconostota. Cherokee Chief said they were pushed West. It is said some 70,000 Druids came to America in several migrations aboard Viking long boats led by Prince Madoc. Lewis and Clark found Mandan Indians speaking with some Welch words and using Irish style coracle boats. LOTS of references to Welch being a trade language known by Colonial and Revolutionary times. Madoc sailed around 1170. Some could have stayed in NC. Interesting story.
One of Madeline L'Engle's kid books had that premise as part of the plot.
Interesting! I’ll check that out Marian!
@Marian Smith, Prince Madoc is my direct ancestor. I didn't know about your info. Thanks alot!
Wales were Christianised by the Romans, they had been Christians for 800 years by 1170, Scotland and Ireland had been Christians for 700.
Fact. Welsh Indians; I love it! Thank you so much. Happy Birthday!!
Great video Ben. Huge kudos to you for instilling a passion and interest in history in your children. On top of that, they got a great lesson in charity by donating your finds to the museum. Great job , loved that small iron and thoroughly enjoyed the video.
HH Greg
Very kind of you. I really enjoyed seeing my kids get that excited about history...hopefully it sticks as they grow older.
When I was young , I remember the old people talking about the moon eyed people. Dark completions and blue eyes. They talked about small enclaves of them in the mountains of the southeast. I remember them saying there was one around Chattanooga, Tenn. possibly to the west of the city. When I got older I thought that it was just families of mixed Cherokee heritage. Many of these families still exist in the area. They tended to hide their ancestry, because of the injustice of the forced removal by the government.
I’ve read recently about a Tennessee farmer finding a little people burial place while digging. Stone coffins with three foot human remains inside. Estimated 70,000 to 100,00 buried there. Fascinating :) My grandmother’s people are from Tennessee and have Cherokee heritage.
The ones West of Chattanooga, in Cumberland Plateau area, are Melungeons. Many VERY INBRED. They are NOT the Moon Eyed People. I am not descended from these people, but I know people who are.
All accounts until your comment said that they were very light skinned.
Interesting how they were here even before natives and the natives kicked them out. So the land in the south were not originally native Indians as we are taught today.
Very interesting
@@littledancingfawn It doesn't mean that the whole southern United States was originally inhabited by white people. There were many people mixing together for thousands of years. If there had been white people there they were probably from ships blown off course. Why would an entire population die out or leave and nothing but Native people left by the time colonists arrived. My husband's family are members of the Muskogee Creek tribe and the Five Civilized Tribes were all over that area
@@gnostic268 it was said that they the moon eyed people lived up to the Mississippi River. So they were all over the south East.
Some people even say that the Mayans were in Georgia/ North Carolina.
There are petroglyphs in Blairsville Georgia and mounds in Georgia that are similar to those in Central America and Mexico.
Too bad people didn’t write down their history instead or just oral history. Because with out proof, honestly no one knows if the Europeans Chineses ( natives being Chinese that crossed the ice bridge) etc were actually here first or the first in certain areas of the US. .
It really doesn’t matter though. Every country on the planet has seized someone else’s land. The US is no different.
On a slightly different note, Blairsville Georgia is the only place in the US that has brought 6 tribes back ( very hard to organize and formally invite 6 tribe leaders. Lots of red tape) and were recognized that this was their land. In a ceremony, a commission bronze art piece ( native playing stick ball) by a Cherokee artist sits on top of a boulder in our major park looking over it was unveiled asa part of the ceremony.
One of the tribe leaders told the the organizers a story passed on ( which was put in the newspaper).The chief said they would be going “home” and it would happen in 200 years. The first conversation where they were invited back to blairsville was 197 years later. It took a little over 2 years to organize the event, so the chief was off by 1 year in his prophetic statement.
That story brought tears to my eyes.
Oh the reason why no whites lasted in the US? Easy. Natives ran them off or killed them. There might have been more natives than whites and they overtook them. Again, it happened all over the world. There is a little evidence of different nationalities all over the US if you look into it.
I love that your children are so excited about history! Wonderful kids!! Kudos to you!
Well I'm Welch I'm blue eyed my family came out of n ga mountains Ha ha but I haven't been moon eyed since I was young lol great lil video
Haha! Thank you Randy!
What about the little folk?
Awesome story. One thing i can say, Indians never lied about things like this. It was real too them. Just like the sasquatch. Just like the shapeshifter and the hellhounds. Interesting none the less. Thanku! Also, i do believe in ghosts and enities. Ive seen both.. call me crazy. But when you encounter one, then you'll be a believer too ..
There is usually a few grains of corn Ruth in every legend. To bad the Cherokee didn’t have a written history to really preserve the things they encountered when they moved into this area.
you can't now who thousands of years ago may or may not have lied.
Fascinating. Not to add more fog to your study but of interest. I grew up in Norther Michigan. Near Bear Lake in Manistee county the early settlers described burial mounds that the indians said were from a race of small people that were there before the indians. Some said they killed those people off and others said they were gone before the indians came to that area. The mounds were opened and small skeletons were found in layers within the mounds. Unfortunately the early settlers dismantled the mounds for farming and I know of no artifaces that exist today from them.
Wow! That interesting how a story with very similar deregulation can be spread over such a large area. It’s not like the Bigfoot legend where everyone can create a story about the big scary monster in the dark...it’s odd in its details. I guess that’s why some experts give the little people some credence.
Your kids are so cute. “What kind of phone is THIS??” LOLLLL
I love your excitement and appreciation for every single item in the museum.
Lol. They make me feel old with comments like that. Thanks for watching!
The kid looks like the kid in The Christmas Story.
My mother was a Rossville GA native. Her maternal grandmother was Cherokee, maiden name Brown. One of her doctors told her that she was part Welsh. She shrugged & told him she didn’t know of any family history being Welsh. That would fit in her/my genealogy. Incredible❤
They spoke Welsh? Wow, I'm Welsh and never heard of this. Fascinating!
My great great grandpa was apparently full blood Cherokee yet he had blue eyes idk he got Alzheimer's and started speaking just Cherokee
Would love more information on this, great video! Thanks for sharing!!
You bet! Thanks for watching!
Great story. Love those mountains
It's so real I get the chills I feel it with every part of my being deep in my soul
Indeed it is awesome. And it is excellent to see a man with his children happily as it should be. Amazing bit of history. First time I’ve ever looked at your channel. If I am ever in that area again. I will have to look up the museum. Great video. God bless you and your family.
Thanks so much Hawk! I appreciate you watching!
"This is awesome!" pretty much says it all. Thanks for taking us along for your museum visit.
Thanks for taking time to watch!
First time watching your channel. Great family, great guy and great doc. Bravo mate
As always , excellent content and delivery 💞
Thank you Candy!
So very interesting. Thanks for sharing the history.
Great story, Thanks
Once again, an awesome video.I enjoy a good story, especially one that's history based.thanks for the work and time spent making them.
Hey John! Good to hear from you. Appreciate you stopping by to watch!
Thanks Ben. A great story as always. Nice seeing the family too.
Thank you Rick!
Thanks Ben for sharing this story. Very interesting.
Thanks for watching Mike!
Thanks for sharing this. You kids are awesome! Enjoy this time with them
bro, they will be grown before you know it.
Cary C Most definitely! Thank you for watching!
The river explanation makes so much sense. I'd heard the Welsh connection before but had never heard the river one. Very cool video. I truly enjoy visiting smaller local museums. You can learn so much and see so many interesting things. Thanks so much for sharing. Take care and be safe.
I agree. The twin rivers theory gets my vote as well. These small museums are truly local treasures. Thank you for watching!
Thanks for this. Was fantastic
Thanks for taking time to watch!
Fact, no doubt about it. Great video Ben and kids, thank you !
First time watching ur channel but now a subscriber. Love all history and love ppl with the same passion. Thank you fir a great video and a great channel
mandy decosta So glad you found the channel Mandy! I appreciate the kind words and support. I see you watched the Mooneyed people video. If you like Native American artifacts you’ll like my next video! Still in the process of filming but on to a very cool site!
Ben I say this after I watch your videos every time. Thanks for the history lesson. Incredible story. That's what makes your videos so good and interesting to view. Thanks for today's lesson.
That’s very kind of you to say...and encouraging. Thank you for taking the time to watch.
Great visit to the museum and story of history!
Thanks James!
God Bless you and You. Enjoyed the video so very much. We have such a rich history. 🙏
God bless you too Kate!
Wow, great museum! I would love to see all the dolls and Native American relics. I love old history especially mystery history :)
Thanks for sharing. Have a great time at the museum.
Every bit as good as your metal detecting videos. Very interested, well captured. Thanks Ben.
Thanks for watching Garnet!
Cool buildings, thanks for the tour. Enjoyed
You bet! Thanks for watching!
Wow it is so refleshing to see a dad and his kids enjoying the local museum. Their enthusiasm is heartwarming. You must be a good dad. God bless. America right there.
Thanks for taking the time to watch! God bless.
The Welch did come here before Columbus, but they had nothing to do with the Moon Eyed people. The Moon Eyed people were here way before the Cherokee. Welsh people, while being light skinned and can have blue eyes, were not 2 or 3 feet tall. You will find that Native people told the truth about such things. The Moon Eyed people were real, they may still be.
WelSh goddammit !
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If the moon eyed people were here B4 the Cherokee, then where perhaps did the Cherokee originate!!????
@@sheilacape4794 I have read that some of the Cherokee believe they came up from what is now Mexico. I don’t know if the tribe has a tradition about this as a whole.
@@sheilacape4794 I've heard from Iroquois (ne USA)
Loved this…..just subscribed!
Very interesting Ben, thanks for the legend story. Great looking kids you got there. Love your videos. Until next time HH&GL *Chris*
Thank you Chris. Good luck out there!
Great history Ben. I really enjoyed it
Thank you Deej!
Fascinating! Love legends like that.
Thanks Charlie!
That was great man! Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching!
This video is fascinating! Love the way Billy Ray explained the story!
Thanks for watching!
Never heard of them, now I must go research to find more info. Thanks for sharing your museum trip.
Glad to introduce you to a new (old) story! Thank you for watching!
Moon eyed ppl means pail skined blueeyed whith wide rounder openings in return short blue eyed so possably European
Wow, fascinating story! I’ve never heard of the moon eyed people. I will definitely have to do some research. Love those type of museums. Great to see the kids interested in history. Your kids are adorable. Thanks so much for sharing! HH! ~ Gypsy
Thanks Gypsy. Appreciate you stopping by!
Miss Emma reminds me of my little girl, thank you for sharing man. Keep it up!
Ryan Moore She’s our miracle. Doctors told us she’d never live to be born and still have no natural explanation for why she isn’t vegetative today. God knows though. Thanks so much for watching and commenting!
Loved this video! I immediately thought of Fort Mountain, Ga too.
Thanks for watching!
Great job, I love learning about local history. Keep those type of videos coming, well done!
Will do! Thanks for watching!
father what time
Thank you enjoyed this I love history too
Thanks for watching Mrs. Pat!
Cool video, very interesting and educational facts also!! Keep it up please dude only jus stumbled upon this.
Man this is great content I love that the kids are so excited by history and I especially love all the native peoples artifacts super dope content keep up the good work
Thanks Dj! I appreciate you watching!
Thanks for sharing this 👍
Loved it. Fact!
Great video 👍 really appreciate your time and effort in creating this awesome content.
Thank you for watching Kasey!
Awesome story Ben, thanks
Thanks for watching!
Watching this reminded me of the trips our family would take in Minnesota. We would stop at every road side memorial plaque and read them. If my dad or mother heard about a museum we would pack lunches and drive to visit them. Old cemeteries too. Long abandoned towns. It was a wonderful way to grow up. Blessings on you and your family and friends and any livestock you might have wandering around the house and yard. Subscribed.🌱⛺
Sounds like you had a great family. Sometimes kids resent that type of stuff until they get older and realize how important it is.
Loved it Ben - I shared it to the group
Thanks for sharing the stories and history with other Roger!
my beautiful land and home.... yes the moon eyed people are truly real! they cried when christ died and the tears formed small stones of crosses
I actually visited Fort Mountain as a child, and recall well the legends of the moon-eyed people. I don't believe they had anything to do with Welsh settlers, however, and were likely from a far older migration. The Solutrean hypothesis speaks of people coming to the land long before people crossed the Bering land bridge, and there is a lot of evidence supporting this theory. It's believed that some early people in northern Europe were already light skinned, and these would have been Ice Age peoples, which we are told is one of the reasons people developed light skin. DNA evidence, spear points, and more support this idea. There would have been fewer of these people, though, than those that crossed from Asia later, so they would have been overcome. The DNA supports this as well. I think that's who they were. If you haven't been to Fort Mountain, it's worth a visit. Something compelling about that place.
Regarding the statue; has it been dated at all? I haven't heard about it before. Fascinating.
Great info! Definitely puts the mind to wondering. I’m not sure that the statue has been dated. It’s very unique in its form and composition though.
@@HistoryHoundDetecting I've been interested in some of this stuff since I wa a child.
I've been to Fort Mountain. Cool place.
can't date the carving of the stone, only it's environment (the dig depth and vegetal rests eventually associated).
The Solutreans lived over 30,000 years ago. There was another Ice Age in the meantime. I doubt they lasted that long without any other corroborating evidence being found
Great museum!
Very interesting, Ben. Going to share on FB, since I am where the Cherokee got moved to. Thanks.
That’s awesome Ralph. Thank you for doing that!
Just the intro alone told me i was gonna enjoy this video. Well put together. ❤
Very kind of you Marcia! Thanks for watching!
That's really cool, I have never heard of the moon-eyed people. All the militaria in the museum makes me drool.
Haha...me too. Military relics just come with such great stories.
Your children are adorable! I enjoyed this video and will subscribe. God bless...
Thank you John! God bless.
awesome I thoughly enjoyed that thank u for it great video my try to go there so time I'm not far away living on the border of vs. and nc
It’s definitely worth a visit. SO many awesome displays that I didn’t get to put in the video.
I wish I knew about this place. I definitely have to go there when I come back. So nice of you to donate your finds but i wanted that little iron when i saw it on your display. Lol. What cool history you have in Cherokee county.
Haha! It was hard to part with the little iron. It was the first “Old” thing I ever found with a detector. But hopefully it will be more appreciated at the museum.
Great video brother thanks for sharing. Love the history. FT Mountain. Is right where I live. I could have spent days walking around that museum. I might have to make a little trip there soon. Good luck and happy hunting.
I’ve never visited Ft. Mountain but plan on it in the future. Didn’t know about the mystery involving the rock walls.
History Hound Detecting When you do let me know. I’m 20 min from it. Good luck and happy hunting brother.
Fascinating, never heard of them. Kind of makes you want to dig up rocks now.
Haha...don’t it though!
The buzzing is hard to endure.
What a cool video! Well wishes from New York
Thank you Lee! Appreciate you watching!
Cool video. Live here in NC. And never heard of them.....got LOTS of points, arrow heads. GREAT .too learn about history of moon eye people....cool cool
You’d love the artist displays. The gorgets and tools are just amazing.
I love this so much great video you got a new subscriber
Nicole Mccraw That’s awesome! Thanks so much Nicole!
Also a NC detector. New subscriber here. Enjoying your videos! Happy hunting.
Thank you for checking me out and subbing!
Thanks for the information, never heard of it and I am native from Arizona.
Man Ben that was a great video,these kind of videos are awesome I have a feeling u might take over as curator there when your friend retires,If I'm ever down your way ima visit you both,HH Ben
From your lips to God’s ears my friend. A job like that would be a dream come true!
I love Museums too
Interesting video!
I'm in Blairsville, have been my entire life, and I never even knew Murphy had such a treasure. This video, along with the comment about Fort Mountain made me realize just how criminally underappreciated I've left my own backyard given my interest in folklore in general. I'm definitely blocking off a few hours soon to take a quick trip up there and look around for myself.
Tacet Check our the Cherokee County Museum’s Facebook page before you make the drive....they may still be closed due to COVID. Thanks so much for watching!
How interesting!
Ben there is a book out that is suppose to be a copy of Mr. Lewis of the Lewis and Clark expedition journal that he kept ! Which tell of supposedly all of the stuff that they found during their expedition . Thank you the interesting video and I had heard of the Moon Eyed People !
I love this 💙💙💙
LustrousEdit Thank you!
@@HistoryHoundDetecting yw!!
Great video I really enjoyed it very much And loved learning about the moon eyed people. Very interesting that they say they came from wales! And they keep saying that columbus discovered america, it's just sad. Do subscriber today keep it going!
I'm going to go with peyote! Great video thanks for sharing the history.
Haha. Giant leeches and moon eyed little men....you may be on to something.