The Seven Heavens in Scripture and Symbol
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- Опубліковано 9 тра 2022
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Great talk. I think this is what is needed regarding geocentrism. Not debates about absolute physical motion, but ressurecting traditional cosmology.
The science of Geocentrism is also solid as well. The facts of history show that the devil has managed to live rent-free in the minds of Christians via Copernicus and Darwin...stealing from the glory of God.
omg bro I knew u had a UA-cam channel but I’m used to just seeing you on twitter lol!
I see what you did there…😏
Because even though it goes against former thinking on these celestial heavens, it’s too deep and present day thinking haven’t come up with some sort of reformation…. So we won’t bring it up, or address it.
Can't believe that before this video I never noticed that man was created on the 6th day, and the Son of Man died on the 6th day. Showing that because of man's rebellion against God, mankind would die at the same time (symbolically) that he was made, because nothing in creation has any speck of existence apart from God. Also interesting that Jupiter was the highest state god for the Romans, and they put Christ to death on Jupiter's day. The Roman Empire, representing the pinnacle of humanity's attempt at creating order through it's own force of will, could do nothing other than put God to death on it's own day. And the Son of Man died humanities death for all of us on the very day humanity was made. Glory to God.
15:50 In Japanese, Mercury is named "waterplanet"
Praying for you Serephim. Sorry I had to cancel my patreon subscription. I hope to renew it one day. This video was a definite blessing, and I will probably watch it many times because it's really excellent
This is a good one. I wonder what is your take on The Divine Comedy since Dante makes use of this concept in his Paradiso.
I would say that the area above the asteroid belt) that separates Mars from Saturn) would represent the celestial world more. Because it's like a veil, and it begins with Saturn which is one of the few planets we see in teachings
You display a wonderful understanding of many concepts!! Each one of which can be a major stumbling block for many people
hi mr. seraph, may I reach out to you regarding a podcast episode i am doing in which I'm striving to serve my congregation with content related? Talking with someone like yourself, with such a wonderful outlook on this, and very helpful content would be a great blessing.
Hi Seraphim, love your videos and insight especially regarding the cosmos. I don’t think we talk about the cosmos in relation to biblical writings enough, it seems like every people group (including ancient Israel) was very much in tune with the pattern of the cosmos even if it’s not what our view is today (which do we have the correct perspective?). Anyways, it is very much appreciated the time you put into this topic. Would not mind more cosmos related videos/lectures. :)
I was wondering though, when you mentioned God speaking 10 times in 7 days in Genesis, my mind instantly went to the dragon in mentioned in Revelation that has 7 heads and 10 horns and crowns. Is there any relation between these two? Thank you again!
@Alex Faulkner I totally agree with your appreciation of this and that ancient cosmology/cosmic-geography is not discussed or appreciated enough. I also would love more of this content.
(IMPORTANT NOTE: If you have not read Mathieu Pageau's "Language of Creation" Book it is a MUST!!!! You will never read another book like it. And it is all about this topic. Also Jonathan Pageau's channel "The Symbolic World" he does talk a lot about cosmic geography and that kind of stuff).
Anyways, very interesting observation of note with the dragon having those numbers... you have also made me curious as well! Thanks for mentioning/pointing this out.
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Also just a relatively recent “discovery” made by Russians that the moon is in fact in the earths atmosphere - not “space”
Would you link me to what you're talking about?
One last observation, the moon representing the day God made created light makes perfect sense. The moon has no light of its own, it only reflects it. In the same way the created light of the cosmos is really just an analogy (reflection) of the uncreated light of God.
I disagree with you the light of the moon is it’s own light. It’s not reflected light from the sun. The moonlight has been scientifically analyzed and it was found not to be reflected light from the sun.
It's more than symbolic. Every species God has chosen for a Messiah incarnation has their own heaven, organized upon the spiritual governance model attained by that species during their part in the divine plan. The adversary has had many accomplices from previous chosen species and peoples who chose beast marking rather than submit to the superior governance of the new highest heaven of the long-awaited human Messiah.
The division of light and darkness took place on the first day, and the moon is also divided between the two during the course of its cycle.
I guess that’s true of every other planet as well (except for the sun, of course) but it’s most evident with the moon due to its size.
The first day and the fourth day are paired together, and the sun and the moon are like twin sentinels (being equal in their apparent sizes, with each ruling half the day).
Just absolutely devoured this, everything you say lines up with the beliefs I have been cultivating through my own study and experience. Thank you so much for sharing.
Thoughts on Vibes of Cosmos channel? Seven heaven? Symbols in actual creation
What do you think about Vibes of Cosmos and the plasma moon theory?
Very good.
Glad I found your channel, ur doing some interesting stuff!
The Bible makes it clear there are three heavens.
The first heaven mentioned in Scripture is the sky: the abode of birds, kites, and airplanes. Genesis 1:20, Job 12:7, and Psalm 8:8 (among many other verses) speak of this first heaven.
The second heaven described in Scripture is "outer space": the abode of the sun, the moon, and the stars. Genesis 15:5, Deuteronomy 4:19, Psalm 8:3 all mention this second heaven.
The third heaven Scripture addresses is the spiritual realm that is the abode of God- It is a custom to insert a dash in God's name when written or printed on a medium that could be defaced. This is done to observe the third commandment to honor God's name
. Ephesians 1:20 says that the Father has raised Messiah from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places. Paul tells us about a man who visited this third heaven in 2 Corinthians 12:2-4. Many scholars believe that Paul was speaking modestly of himself and his (possible) death in Acts 14:19.
It is to this third heaven that most people expect to go when they die. The good news is that everyone gets to go to heaven (everyone comes before the throne of God for judgment- Psalm 11:4, Romans 14:10). The bad news is that not everyone gets to stay there (Luke 12:5).
Please note that nowhere in the Bible are "seven heavens" described or mentioned. Although the תלמוד
Talmud- A Hebrew noun which means 'teaching'. It is formed from the verb 'limmed' which means 'to teach.' The Talmud contains the written compendium of Jewish law, ethics, philosophy, customs, history, and case-law. There are two works with this name: the Jerusalem Talmud and the Babylonian Talmud. These names reflect where the (initially orally transmitted) information was recorded. The Talmud contains two primary divisions: the Mishnah and the Gemara. Pronounced tal MOOD or TAHL mud.
Talmud few and Islam both teach that there are seven heavens, Scripture only directly speaks of these three.
I actually discuss this in the video. I agree with the spatial categories you mentioned. Speaking of seven heavens is a way of describing the seven celestial spheres which make up the second heaven- that adds up to nine created heavens, thus the traditional idea of a ninefold angelic hierarchy.
I think we all understand that the creation account is a sort of parallel chiasm, in that it is roughly structured
A: God creates
B: God forms
B’: God fills
A’: God rests from creation
such that God’s forming and filling of creation are parallel, but the broad structure is chiastic.
But if I understood correctly, were you suggesting a secondary chiasm between the individual days themselves? That is, day 1 corresponds to 7 and likewise 2 to 6 and so on with 4 as the center?
Do you draw a distinction between God (eternal / uncreated) and the Highest Heaven (Gods throne room created on the first day)? When you say God dwells above the “Waters Above”, you mean that this is the place of Heaven, correct?
Blue Sky - 1st Heaven
“Outer Space” (not a good term, I know) - 7 Heavens (totaling 8)
Waters above - 9th Heaven. The Crystalline Veil between the Worlds / the Nexus point of Creation
Heaven of Heavens - 10th Heaven, the world of the angels and saints - higher parallel planes of reality interconnected with our earthly realm.
God - In his unknown Glory within and yet beyond the created Heaven of Heavens.
Seraphim, do you still believe in moon landing and space travel?
I had a similar feeling that you described regarding YEC, when I realized it’s not true.
Thank you!
In Enoch's book, he mentioned that there are 10 heavens. And that the fallen angels are on the first and second heaven far away from god contrary to what we believe that they rule in hell. Which is actually for me makes more sense.
Link to gold light water ?
www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02065-w
I love the concept… but someone like me who is trying to understand what you were talking about was a little rough… you keep mentioning them by numbers.. but wasn’t pacific about what you were really speaking about….meaning, calling them out by there names as they are written there….I am so lost!!
Interesting topic
Why did you skip the Le feu - Fire layer ?! You didn't say a word about it...
What is Kabane's email?
You should watch “A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon”
Wow, I wish there was more material like this on the web, the only cosmological info I can easily find is either mainstream secular whatever or conspiracy-fueled stuff. This is amazing.
Nice!
I know of nine heavens and there were 9 Archangels for each heaven(as we know for now because after who knows). Now they are 8. Also, there are 9 ranks of angels each for each heaven (as it was revealed for now).
What about Uranus? I said on the Neoplatonist channel (mind you - I consider myself a Neoplatonist, and I am telling you this for the sake of transparency; I do consider myself an interested spectator and student of Christian teaching nonetheless) E.C. Winsper (/watch?v=aHJIexgBrSw):
"I can accept the notion that we inhabit this specific star system for spiritually important reasons, and that the planets have a spiritually significant role to play in our lives, most especially the observable ones, but the fact of the matter is that Uranus was visible with the naked eye all those years ago, and was, quite simply, missed. That undermines [the specific symbolic theory concerning the...] planets."
funny that nearly all religion seems to revolve around planets and stars and how nearly all folklore considers the earth to be at the center. Even though at several historical times there were people or entire cultures who knew this wasn't the case. I can imagine the stars being a very useful navigational tool, always drawing attention and being studied for that reason. It's no wonder these 7 layers are present in so many of them and that even the names of the planets we use in the west, are Roman Gods. I suppose most of us said 'screw sol' when the earth became dominant once more (though even the Roman themselves basically took those same steps earlier). I think it would be interesting to see how religions of the sun/stars compare to religions of the planets, whether its the moon, the earth, etc. Also considering the shift between giving a deity to all the planets, or just mashing it into the one God. You'd expect God to at the very least recognise the enormous belt of 'pebbles' beyond those 7 layers - but alas, they are not visible to the naked eye ;)
Appreciate your videos bro, but you really should look into the ‘moon landing’ further. It’s cool how they made a spaceship out of curtain rails and duct tape. They then ‘lost the technology’ and that’s why they can’t go back there 🤡
Hello. In the testament of solomon demons speak of flying around in the air. The heavens are talked about a little.
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Awesome.
The seven heavens also correlate to the seven chakras.. in fact I would contend their correlation is primary.
you should check vibes of cosmos documents
I don't think anyone will know if its 2 domes or 7 domes.
The hidden wizarding world from Harry Potter that overlaps with middle earth while being inaccessible to normal humans
Something to do with the 7 fallen angels I assume,no coincidence
The seven heavens also correlate to the seven chakras.. in fact I would contend their correlation is primary. Same with the seven churches in Revelation.
Great video though.
sun is the gate to gods throne
The sun is like drop in an ocean of many stars as confirmed by voyager we have billions of galaxies in the observable universe what about the unobservable??
lol nasa told u this? nah ive seen its surrounded with biblical gemstones thats why all ancient civ said sun created the universe @@charleskaberere8322
Greetings grom north west england. Love your work mate...but we didnt go to the moon in the 60s/70s. Sorry 😂
Consciousness = is awareness. Past life! Cosmic wisdom. The mother of the cocsmos is sophia. Sophia can do all things because, Sophia knows the holy spirit. There. Is a devine law made with devine wisdom. Just trying to help you understand the cosmos.
The church wanted to entice believers with a promise. So they put Heaven in the sky, because that can't be disproved. Until space travel took us way into outer space without any trace of Heaven(s). More biblical myths.
Spiritually blind can not see it.
I didn't know God Spoke 10x in Genesis...
It’s the chakras and the seals. The real resurrection
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The Earth is flat. Planets are luminaries. Sun and moon are luminaries.
Earth isn't flat
How do you know the earth isn’t flat? Have you been to space before? You should really have an open mind and do your research. Do I think the earth is flat? I really don’t know yet… I’m still a spiritual baby and when I think I know, I know nothing.
@@byobusob8513 The earth isn't flat 💀
I will believe that if The moon and Jupiter are confirmed as flat
@@vickyisthiccianayes it is flat
hrmm.
Bro what did I click on
NICE GUEST JOB, BUT YOU CAN'T THINK LIKE THE THE GREAT ONE YAHWEH MY HEAVENLY FATHER, SO WHY CONTINUE WITH YOUR GUEST JOB.
There are no seven heavens in the Bible.
There are things that are true that are not in The Bible
@Conquering Death My objection is to the video title, which implicitly assumes there is reference in scripture to seven heavens. If he at some point says as much, then he’s guilty of clickbait.
@@MrWesford Yes, but my objection is to the title.
There are seven planets in scripture as there are in reality. This is what is meant by "seven heavens" traditionally. If you would rather not use those terms, that's okay, but ultimately if we are to be that strict about the language we are permitted to use, why aren't we speaking to each other in Hebrew or Greek?
We're not Sola Scriptura.
There are no heavens. No nothing. I went on to one channel and she said the physical world and heaven for them. If you are are male you get nothing. You can forget any heaven. Seven or a billion.
There are no Heavens. It's just a dark void forever when you die.
Are you okay my friend ?? 😂
LIAR LIAR PANTS ON FIRE!!!!!!
The seven heavens also correlate to the seven chakras.. in fact I would contend their correlation is primary.