Snapdragon X Elite Laptops
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
- Review of the Snapdragon X Elite on the Asus Vivobook S15
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Snapdragon X Elite Laptops versus Apple MacBook Air M3
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These are WAY better than I thought they would be
ARM laptops are finally legit in the windows space
It would be awesome if we could get an Asus G14 with this chip and something like an RTX 4060
cool
Hey Dave, when you go to review new laptops could you take apps that have both x86 and arm versions and compare performance across those to see what the penalty on the emulation layer looks like?
Which part was better?
How about the performance hit when running on battery?
The fact that the battery life is on par with the macbook air 15 while the vivobook has a 120Hz screen and two fans is plain bonkers for a windows machine
Probably a bigger battery.
@@LogicalError007 should that matter from consumer point of view if you are getting bigger battery with lesser price? No one is stopping Apple to do it but then if they did I am pretty sure they will increase price.
@@LogicalError007 2WH bigger, and more importantly than 2 fans and higher refresh rate, it has an OLED panel, which consumes more energy, it is still getting about the same battery backup.
What i am exceited about now is how much it can last after i debloat windows... For context, the idle drain on my 4600H processor is under 4w down from 9w, after removing some bloat and telemetry using winaero, and used to get about 5-7 hours of light usage on my 45Wh batttery. It is about 4 now, as the battery has degraded to 37wh.
@@LogicalError007 by 3wh so not too much
@@doubly_negative Yeah, for consumer it does not matter. For understanding the efficiency of the chip, it does.
Apparently it's not much bigger. So for a 1st gen horizontally integrated laptop, these perform very well with quite a good battery life.
I heard there was an update pushed yesterday with many improvements.
It's crazy how just opening up UA-cam on an Intel power laptop can have the fans running so this is a breath of fresh air
On M3 Pro youtube uses around 7W on half brightness (300 nits probably) and 4.8W while video is paused
pun intended?
And not from laptop's fans, air that is
@@untheosource?
My Intel laptop lag as hell When played hd yt video while having a good gaming laptop 🥲
Windows has been trying to build an ARM-based Windows PC for so long now. Seems like they've nailed performance, but at the end of the day it's about compatbility and app support that will make the Snapdragon X Elite a homerun!
Yeah, I really don't see the point. The battery performance which is its strong point, is only marginally better than x86 last gen. And we know the new gen from both AMD and Intel will be even better.
Microsoft walked so Apple can run
Like literally, far before Apple announced their full transition to M1 Apple Silicon, the app support on Windows ARM was extremely poor that almost no one ever wanted it
@@SirMo keep dreaming
@@sihamhamda47 No, Microsoft walked, because they are not able to run. Apple would have done the transition anyway.
@@drabekstepanlol that's harsh but the truth. They only run when they see someone finish the race.
10% performance hit through Prism emulation is actually really legit, they weren't lying when they said they were aiming at Rosetta 2+ class
And that improved performance also carries over to older ARM Windows laptops. My ProX is finally usable.
In some games it gets like half the performance so it's gpu drivers needs much work .
it's not emulation .......it's translation like rosetta
It's funny how so many doubted Qualcomm about their X Elite performance statements when their engineering team literary IS the original crew that created the designs for the Apple Silicon A and M series chips!!!!
I thought it was like 40%
Where’s the “thumbs if you liked it, subs if you loved it”??
its besides ''hey guys, this is austin!''
Where's the "it's been nice" lmao
It's still in our head
I miss the “It’s been nice.”
That definitely doesn't suck.
@@sillystuff6247 Yeah, really.
@@sillystuff6247apple when it comes to upgradability 😂
@@Youvkoonly for windows ultrabooks, not for the gaming laptops they are in their own category
@@RandomguyOnetheinternet just because windows has a monopoly on directX. But linux is already good enough for most of the games. Aside from that I am not a huge fan of gaming laptops, they are thick, loud, hot, expensive and work from battery for approximately 2 minutes. For me it always was better to buy a thin laptop with good processor for work and a gaming console.
Sometimes you need them to suck....
I love how this is only Version 1. Imagine how Version 2 or 3 of the Snapdragon X-Elite may perform when the time arrives.
EXACTLY 💯!
Apple without the original lead engineers are on iteration 3 & 4 and performance and battery life really hasn't been improved. In fact RAM and storage limitations are being seen with M3 Pro and now M4.
Whilst the original Appl3 Silicon tram left Apple, started Aura (4got the name) and got absorbed by Qualcomm) released version 1 in under 1.3 years and matching Apple's "Silicon version 3"
Qualcomm is adjusting their entire business around X Elite and future and trust it's going to be sublime.
By end of 2025 or early 2026 we'll all be like Apple Silicon what?! Who? Where, or with Apple enjoy that junk lmao!😊
To be fair, this is far from the first iteration of Windows on ARM and definitely not the first Qualcomm laptop CPU. Before the current powerful platform, there were Surface RT, Surface RT 2, Surface Pro X, Surface Pro X Gen2, and Surface Pro 9 5G.
I share your appreciation for the advances in performance and battery life. Let's hope for continuous development and app optimization for this new chip.
Can't wait for either framework or tuxedo to make a device with this chip. Would be an interesting target to compile and test apps on. Linux has been working on arm for a long while, and a lot of apps already have arm builds because of the Raspberry Pi and other similar devices. Also interested in the NPU if something like ollama would be able to run LLMs on it.
This. I was looking forward to these laptops until the whole recall fiasco. Now I would only buy one if I know I can run Linux on one efficiently.
@tmacman0418 I preordered one to run Linux on, but it will be a few months before the support is there in the kernel. It might be there in time for the next wave of distro releases.
Actually reviewing the device and almost not talking about copilot, thumbs up Dave!
Because it has not been released yet for consumers.
@@MadafakinRio Everything is delayed, the Copilot app also got pulled and is still in preview in very limited markets.
I think if they make thier GPU powerful enough, it'll be awesome to have this in hand held consoles
It's actually not that different in performance from the current handhelds out there. The main issue is that it's emulation so you lose some performance
@@crestofhonor2349Only CPU instructions have to be emulated on ARM, games are more GPU intensive, less CPU. Should be fine performance wise for game logic, the only problem is support from Nvidia and AMD for graphics drivers for Windows on ARM.
I mean the benchmarks it’s getting with emulation is already better than the steam deck. I’m sure somebody’s working on a snapdragon handheld. Can’t wait to see it
@@christianr.5868 I think this is still tough for ARM considering that their main performance competitors are the ROG Ally (X) and Legion Go-type devices, unless they go the more battery-focused or less heat route. I think reviewers will always somehow compare new handheld consoles to these highest-performing handhelds unless they make significant strides in battery life or heat that make performance comparisons moot.
Owning an M1 MacBook for daily and an ROG Ally, the Ally blows the M1 out of the water in BG3 and doesn't need to emulate x86, but then again the M1 is a lot older. I'm interested to know how much emulation tanks ARM battery life - I know on the M1 doing emulation was way less battery efficient than running native Apple Silicon apps. And I think that would be ARM's main selling point for handheld consoles - same or better performance in gaming with more battery and less heat; something I wish my ROG Ally had.
Also, I really hope they can make FSR 2+ work well on these new ARM chips if they ever reach handheld... they're currently the saving grace for running things like FH5/BG3 on High+ settings, which makes these games look great because a lot of the upscaling "imperfections" is masked by the small screen.
if this chip put on rog ally, it will have 50% performance jump cpu and gpu, and 80% jump in battery life, IF the game support native arm.
If Qualcomm makes a chip to complete with Core 3 , Ryzen 3 , Windows on Arm might actually become popular
Snapdragon X plus will be on par with i5 or i7
Not in the near future.. you really missed a few thing, benchmarks only showed in multi core performance, but 99,9% of your apps are sigle core performance apps.. also he is clearly said it has a decent performance in natively made apps, he didn't even mentioned the performance of those apps what is currently still use x86.. and guess which one is the majority recently, the ARM or x86 based apps..?
*compete
Buddy Snapdragon X elite is literally Devouring Ryzen 5 and I7 based laptops!!
The only limit now is windows itself as an operating system
ML engineer here. I’m excited for the pro chips. The removable RAM slot is a sign of low memory bandwidth. That’s important for containing big robust AI models. Energy efficiency plummets even with mediocre nVidia gpu for laptops. However, the chip can contain a 13B model, so there has to be a separate soldiered ram. Then, who wants to pay twice for the RAM?
An underwhelming improvement. Let's be honest. Most people are expecting a leap in magnitude of performance like apple's intel to M chips. It was mind blowing! We aren't there yet!
OMG!!!! I have been waiting for your take on this🙂
I preordered this model laptop from US Costco for $1299, but it includes 32GB of RAM.
nice!!
WHAT i need me some
Hefty requirements for the new microsoft recall spyware
@@enricod.7198Don't you guys get tired?
@@007alztruliDon't you guys understand?
Needs more 3:2 laptops. There's only 2, Surface laptop and Framework.
Huawei Matebook, one of the best laptop of the last 5 years but somehow ignored by reviewers.
@@jpf1978 I keep forgetting that exists
@@jpf1978 I think its ignored because its not readily available in many markets. Also the bad press Huawei recently got.
thinkpad x13
@@atthelordyeah, West and the EU are free markets only when it's their companies selling the goods and services.
Not so free when other regions including China trying to sell the same. Hypocrisy!
Super Hyped for X Elite Thinkbooks now!
I'm an apple only guy for laptops since a long time now, but dan I'm happy seeing the competition catching up, and even exceeding at some things ! (screen, battery life it seems).
The competition that we should see in the coming years is going to be too good for us users :D
that OLED panel looks incredible
Not on my old lcd 😂
nothing new
Its okay. It does look a bit dark on the brightness
@@Dark.Syndicatei would say that because now we can get a good OLED paired with good battery life, good performance on a 1000 dollar laptop.
Being able to keep up with an 60hz LCD macbook air while having a 120hz OLED is an incredible improvement. Also having good performance off the wall on battery
say hello to burn ins in 2 years. ASUS keeps shoving down that tech on their laptops so people would buy new ones every 2 years like their phones.
There are 4 X Elite SKUs and it should be listed which it is. the 78 variant has no boost clocks vs other 3 so there can be benchmark disparities between models. Also World of Warcraft is native for woA.
@Dave2D this is something very important you need to address in reviews!
Reviewers must include cpu version into benchmark charts
This very SKU on the vivobook is the base 78 variant but still performs great. The other versions will have even better numbers than what Dave's shown.
@@fidelisitor8953 It's not that great as expected, especially when competition is also releasing next gen. I've see only selected models with the 80 SKU and IMHO there will be a noticeable difference between 80 and 78.
Can't wait to see what the surface laptop can do with this chip and some more optimization.
Love how you highlighted both the positives and the areas that need work. The Snapdragon X Elite chip has the potential to revolutionize the Windows laptop experience.
Just use a console/desktop or a mobile phone if you want to do serious gaming or casual gaming respectively. Laptops are not for gaming. I am super chuffed that windows laptops can (FINALLY) perform on a longer battery life when using the browser, MS apps, and content consumption using Netflix and Prime Video apps.
For this type of review an extensive test of apps in emulation mode is needed.
extensive reviews is not what Dave2D is about
Also need to test compatibility of popular peripherals.
need this on a SteamDeck
that would be great
First thing I thought of when they first announced the x elite. Man if they can get games optimized for ARM the future of PC handhelds esp in terms of battery life will be bright
It's gonna be on a different level of translation layers that were gonna have since proton as of right now is tailor made for x86 maybe in Steam Deck 3?
@@Jaxv3r the game porting toolkit is basically apples version of proton, and despite running through that translation layer and then rosseta to convert from x86 to ARM, games run pretty comparable to the steam deck, and yes I know Apples silicon is at the top of ARM performance, but it still shows its not impossible for Valve to design an ARM chip capable of this
better off waiting for Lnuar Lake. Shit is on TSMC 3nm and with huge IPC increase on E cores.
Can't wait for Lenovo variant of snapdragon chip based on how this vivobook performs
Check out the Yoga 7x, looks great for a similar price!
Lenovo Slim series is my favorite, I hope a Slim 7 series laptop is released with X elite.
@@AbidAli-bo8svwell theres already yoga slim 7x ready!
I have the Lenovo x13s and the absolutely only impressive thing about it is the battery life. It feels like a plastic toy for kids.
@@AbidAli-bo8sv There's a slim 7x with the x elite and a 1000nits OLED display for $1199.
This is great! Im going to hold out for the surface version and give Windows as a daily OS a shot again.
I use a MacBook Pro M1 and I’ve been waiting for this moment for windows machines to catch up . 16gb RAM + 1TB at $1200 is incredible value when compared to Apple’s base models .
It's nothing, but there's a typo at 2:17. Not Vulcan, it's Vulkan.
Live long, and prosper
Unwatchable video. This ruined it for me
In fairness, ein Vulkan is just a vulcan.
it's Patrick @TheManiac95
FoolCan
IF these laptops are better, I'd like to see Framework adopting it, BUT they already support too many flavors/chipsets...
that would be sick! also the price could go even lower!
Hate this hyping of products like Framework, Arc browser or Linux, which only small amount of people uses
@@ataytaygaraev4298so why do you hate it? Apple has always been favored by overconsumerism especially among American customers.. but outside of the US and Canada everyone owns different set of laptops and smartphones.. most of that has to do with financial constraints and a tech that's more convenient to use. And I don't see any problem with that.
@@ataytaygaraev4298 Arc browser is awesome, I don't think it is just being hyped.
@@ataytaygaraev4298 the amount of people using Linux is not small. It's a minority but we're still talking tens of millions of active users...
you can get 7th gen AMD chips in vivobooks on sale for under a grand with the same screen just saying.
No one need this loud and battery hungry laptops with x86
@@ataytaygaraev4298 Except they aren't.
There was recently a Lenovo on sale with an 8845HS, 16GB/1TB for $650.
@@ataytaygaraev4298
Watch the video. The Qualcomm chip only has like 10% more battery life than x86 offerings. That's not groundbreaking.
@@ataytaygaraev4298 Amd 7th gen chips are quite efficient and quiet too.
Dave, you can get OLED screens like that on laptops from HP and Lenovo for less than $1000, with an 8845HS. They were on sale for a little over $800 recently.
I personally have no use for an OLED monitor though, not interested in burn in.
And while the performance is impressive, most laptops with the X Elite seem to be in the $1500+ range, with the exception of this Vivobook.
I'm happy that they tried to be considerate with the pricing, because without good pricing it won't get anywhere
I'd like someone to review Linux on these, including testing x86 emulation with games (that stutter mentioned might be shader caching, which Linux solves by downloading shader caches with Proton). Linux has a far more mature ARM ecosystem than Windows, so the vast majority of Linux applications already have native ARM versions. I suspect we'll have to wait for Phoronix to get a machine because big UA-camrs like LTT have been completely ignoring Linux in their latest laptop reviews.
It's that theres no linux support yet for the elite x. It's not a linux problem, it's a driver problem. Qualcomm said in a blogpost they're working on pushing driver's upstream to the new kernels, but there are currently too many problems so that there's nothing to show in a video. (sleep, power profiles, npu drivers, emulation(?), none of those work right now
@@OneGearMode JustJosh tried to install Linux on some of the new lpatops and a bunch of them didn't even have the option to turn off Secure Boot in the BIOS. The HP could but predictably didn't boot. Qualcomm is targeting 6.11 in their roadmap for a lot of features, which at the kernel's bimonthly cadence means... October at the earliest? From that livestream it looks like there were lots of Windows software problems even. Based on the already meh performance and efficiency though, I can't really see much reason to go w/ X1E since Strix Point and even Lunar Lake will be out well before then.
@@lhl Tbh, I'm not really hyped. I see energy efficiency is going to be the new trend, since it makes everything cheaper. Intels lunar lake won't ever beat ARM, next year, qualcomm will produce an even better one is my guess. Qualcomm can sell its small chip to everything: phones, handhelds, laptops, VR stuff. Btw, tuxedo computers is developing an X1E laptop
@@OneGearMode Sadly, I wouldn't hold my breath on the Tuxedo X1E. Per Computex reports: "Tuxedo is trying to release this model before the end of the year, but the implementation team mentions that 'there are still too many pieces of the hardware, software and delivery capability puzzle missing to even begin to set a release date. TUXEDO for ARM will come, but we don’t yet know exactly when." You can see from more serious reviews like the Notebookcheck one (eg vs Dave2D's that compares the X1E to dGPU gaming laptops for battery life, wtf) that the X1E Vivobook basically barely matches up in battery efficiency to similarly specced current Hawk Point and Meteor Lake Zenbook OLED ultrabooks (it ties on Wifi 1.3 and loses by a fair percentage in h.264 and full load). While focused on gaming performance, The Phawx also put out his review that is much more detailed/careful about measuring performance and power - even on Cinebench the X1E loses to Hawk Point on perf/watt, and he covers the huge differences in power and perf between performance/and efficiency modes - something that again, reviews like Dave2D's are actually quite misleading (benchmarks in perf mode, battery life measurement in efficiency mode). I'll wait for Geekerwan's reviews before any final conclusions on efficiency, but what I'm currently seeing leaves me pretty unimpressed by X1E. Again though, since I run primarily Linux on desktop and have 0 interest in Windows 11, sort of a non-starter anyway. I currently have a MBA just for battery life when traveling, so I get the importance of efficiency (and despite Qualcomm's original claims, X1E laptops get nowhere near the MBAs in any battery life scenario).
Oh snap, sleep can wait
I just setup Windows to Hibernate instead of sleep.
Like what's the harm in waiting an extra second or three?
Oh snap, as in, Snapdragon?
Remember when Intel Arc Cards came out eveyone was skeptical . But after drivers where updated in the last 12 months we saw performance jumps . Let's also trust the process this will age well.
That's a GPU. GPU drivers can improve over time. Not relevant for CPU performance.
@@ramzisabra9235 You didn't get the point. I know the relative difference between a GPU & CPU. I mean in terms of optimisation on Arm and migrating most apps from x86 to Arm , this is already a 3rd generation product. Keep in mind Snapdragon had past efforts , so developers are more commited even OEMs .
@@thomasmatewe I did get your point. My point was that improvements on GPUs are very orthogonal to improvements on CPUs, even when emulation is considered, due to how vastly different they are.
Intel drivers over the past year were optimizing DirectX overhead and per-game performance with driver profiles, the latter being something Nvidia and AMD have been doing for decades now - and this is why the performance improvements were so drastic.
In this very review, there was just an ~10% performance loss due to x86-to-ARM translation.
1) ARM compilers are already optimized to output efficient assembly given the prevalence of the architecture on everything other than Windows laptops / desktops. A big part of software optimization for CPUs happens on the compiler frontend, which emit architecture-agnostic intermediate code, while the backend is responsible for machine-specific code output.
2) A lot of Windows applications are already running natively on ARM.
What you see right now in terms of CPU performance with this is what you get, aging well isn't a factor.
This is looking pretty strong right out of the gate, but I want to see more reviews before getting too excited.
Feels good to finally have arm competition
Finally a genuine competitor across all domains for an apple silicon MacBook.
No ecosystem, and ugly design... It's a competitor on many domains, but definitely not all.
@@ThomasVanhelden But if performance and price are competitive, it only boils down to preference
@@kvvint7618 The comment said “all domains.” There are more domains than performance and price.
MacBooks maintain their value way better, so this laptop is more expensive to own than a MacBook.
It could be your personal preference that you don’t care about design, but having limited integration with other devices is definitely a bummer for many people.
@@ThomasVanheldenwhat is it with people and echoing "ecosystem ecosystem" all the time???? If you arent rich enough to dump between 10-15 grand on an "echo system" it shouldnt matter...
@@cithr0963 you call them iSheeps
5:55 Not true. Thinkpad P16s 64GB ram, 1T SSD, 4K OLED, AMD 7840u is often seen for less than this.
ikr. no idea what he was smoking. many x86 120hz oled laptops sub $1000 exist
@@chiaza7735 rocking an oled laptop i payed 300 for... silly dave
Amazing! I hope this gives Apple (as a MacBook user myself) a slap to keep pushing further. Happy about the Windows ARM transition as it'll push the industry forward in a positive way for all of us :)
From my understanding, it's not emulation but translation, which is why there isn't much performance loss.
One big factor most reviewers undermine is that these chips will get official Linux support.
Crazy how I bought a Galaxy Book 4 Pro 360 a month before these new chips were announced and now I can't even return it 😃
Doesn't really matter, because the first product of them if going to suck anyways and I wouldn't buy an ASUS anyways
The book 4 pro is a great device, do u not like it?
@@illsmith4076 I do I do, don't get me wrong. It's just that I just bought it and it already feels obsolete. Especially considering they released a Book 4 Snapdragon X version with this launch!!
@@illsmith4076 I'm open too anything, but I don't expect that much. HP changed their line-up, that's a bummer, but my next laptop will definitely be a Lenovo.ThinkPad.
Dell XPS changed to touchbar, expensive for the performance. MacBook not enough RAM for the price. Lenovo could perform bad too, so I'd take that hit.
Open to ASUS, it's not bad, but I have to remain critical. I mean 2014 ASUS still works.
Dave why did you use gaming laptops for the battery life comparison? That’s not really a fair comparison for the Intel or amd chips
Can wait to see how Linux works on these things, really looking forward to have my next laptop being ARM based
Should run pretty smoothly
X Elite drivers and other code has already been submitted for review to be included in the Linux kernel by Qualcomm themselves, so Snapdragon X will definitely get Linux support as well...
Linux itself should work just fine. The problem will be finding software that will work on it.
@@SilkCrown time to run gentoo
@@SilkCrown There is Box86/64
Good. I hope they can get devs on board and make some kind of legit lasting move to ARM. I'm a MacBook user but competition is good and will drive both sides to be better faster.
i love that the NVME is upgradable / removable.
on my macbook pro m1, if ie. motherboard dies, my data dies too, which is CRAZY.
I've been running ARM version of WIndows and Office in parallels on a MacBook Pro for months already. Windows ARM is ready for prime time at least for office workers.
How are the games performing ? Initially there was at least 30-50% performance loss compared to native windows ( judging from the potential gpu power of m2/3 MacBooks of similar level nvidia gaming laptops )
@@InfinityFishing people are trying and they often do run but very glitchy and stutters. At least in parallels, not ready. A native ARM windows environment may do better though.
Oh damn
Let's hope devs will go all out for this
Great review and input on user experience. This fall is going to be crazy with new offerings from AMD's Strix Point and Intel's Lunar Lake. There is going to be solution for everyone at similar price points which is super awesome. It's been a long time since the Windows PC market was this hot with innovation.
Imagine the battery life if this had an LCD, keeping up with the MBA while having an OLED is really impressive
I’m really impressed. Really happy to see this changes
The moment I've been waiting for is when Dave releases a video about the Snapdragon X series.
I just need to know how many hours of Factorio I can play on a single charge..
Linus told in a previous video that, there r additional pcie lanes. Which might be used for discrete gpu. Big hope it should turn out this way. If this happens manufacturers will have more power budget for gpu as arm cpu consumes less power, which in turn helps for higher gpu performance.
What I am kind of missing, is performance per watt. I think it has, and always will be the key benchmark in laptops. It simply means that you can do the same amount of performance with less battery, i.e. have longer battery life for similar performance.
I am very curious how these numbers compare between typical x86, this snapdragon and mac m.
Awesome! I can’t wait to see this thing with Linux.
I wonder how emulation is going to be in Linux, because QEMU is super slow
@@tablettablete186There are alternates like FEX
@@tablettablete186 I am not worried about emulation on Linux because open source can be compiled natively for ARM. Generally, I expect all libre software to be available natively.
@@LinuxRenaissance I know, my worries are games from Steam...
Based on Josh's tests during livestream, most of these laptops can't even disable secureboot, nor boot from USB. The one that could failed to load fedora arm.
Louis Rossmann exposed Adobe. Their toxicity is being shown. Sad we have to use their products and mention them
The vivobook has just 2W bigger battery, OLED 120hz display and 2 fans, and manages to get 90% of the battery backup.
I'm pretty sure that after disabling telemetry and removing some bloat, it would easily get 2 hours more in light use.
( I got from 9w idel drain to undrer 4w in my 4600H, and about 5-7 hours battery backup on a 45WH battery with minimal work, using just winaero tweaker)
Dave's numbers seem to be different (better) than what some other reviewers are seeing (Matthew Moniz, for example) - especially around frame rates and battery life when running emulated x86 code. I'm curious as to whose numbers are closer to reality.
It's fantastic to finally offer a great choice for the end consumer, including the capability to run Linux natively.👍🏼
always on point, thanks dave!
But this is nearly the same price as a comparably spec'ed M3 MBA, and you're the guinea pig for whatever MS will or won't do to continue to support these devices. I'm not saying it's bad, I'm just saying that Asus should have started its prices a little lower if they really wanted to compete with Apple.
Can’t wait for the framework version
Framework and linux for 0.1% of people, so no one cares about them
@@ataytaygaraev4298 What?
I assumed MS was getting more serious about Windows on ARM when last year they finally brought a native ARM version of Visual Studio and released their dev kit. Before then, you could just tell they weren't for a number of reasons but the main one as a developer was that their primary IDE for building Windows native apps was not even able to run on ARM in a usable manner.
Dave literally just woke up from sleep and Asus decided to put Dave at a gunpoint to review their laptop
Why would someone switch to ARM (with all the incompatibilities that would bring) for a chip with the same performance as x86 and 1 extra hour of battery? Totally illogical.
Consider it this way: a competitive market is essential for fair pricing. Encouraging competition prevents monopolies, which can lead to exploitation. When a single entity dominates a market, it can set unreasonable prices and dictate terms that benefit itself, not the consumer. This is true for all products and services. Without competition, companies may start making outrageous demands, as we've already seen in some cases
Because better battery life at a lower price with the same performance. Why wouldn't you?
I ordered the Microsoft Surface ARM, should I get the Vivobook instead
I think Surface laptop 7 is the most vfm and seems the best out of all the devices for the price. Surface pro isn't as compelling
Never buy ASUS…ever
@@StoicPhilosophyyyy what's vfm
You should actually not give in to impulse buy and wait for the laptop review from all brands and choose the one that will fit you best.
@@ccoco7689 not an impulse buy, it had 100$ for a pre-order and 60 days return.
What about professional or older apps? Like Solidworks. Considering some rly benefit from having more vram, r they gonna perform well too? And how about the price? Is there gonna be an Arm laptop that can compete with the rtx 4050 at 800$?
No. I mean, they don't even have cheaper laptops to start
Now Mac is being held by its integration with iphone… it we get better sync/integration between iphone and pc, macbooks in danger.
Should have talked about Davinci after talking about Premiere. Davinci made ARM support available for the launch of this chip.
Embargo over yeah! What's the battery like.
He really needs to keep the benchmark graphs up for longer so we can read them without pausing the video.
Yeah, hitting the space bar is super hard. 😫
As soon as this comes to Framework, I'm getting one. 11% emulation penalty is insanely good and basically makes this a non issue. What I won't do is buy anything from ASUS.
Sounds great but it’s just obvious how much further ahead Apple is in computing technology
Yes it doesnt suck but X86 is catching ARM on battery life, I believe with next generation of more efficient Intel and AMD chips there still will be no point using ARM except pricing, which should be very close due to competition.
ARM is more efficient. The x86 instruction set is old af. Once ARM optimization is further along it will leave x86 in the dust.
@@schwuzi We keep hearing these arguments, but still AMD was very close in battery life. I don't really see a huge gap now, but when the M1 came out there was a huge gap to Intel and a smaller to AMD.
@@schwuziwe keep thinking that but then amd comes out with more power efficient stuff again. idk man
While it is exciting, the pricing will be the make or break for this imo. currently you can get deals for a 185H + 4050 for 1299, so it will definitely have a lot of competition.
I agree but that 185H + 4050 is a bad comparison. Chances are, that laptop with a dedicated GPU will be heavier, louder, and have worse battery life.
Ultrabooks Vs laptops with dedicated GPU are for different markets. I'm sure no one who want graphic performance are looking at ARM when Nvidia is king here. It's more fair to compare it to other ultrabook laptops.
@@ThisLuvee the specific one i was refering to is the lenovo ideapad pro 5i 16 inch. Slightly worse battery life compared to a lower end 155h and arc, but its nothing to scoff at for having a dedicated gpu. I still think arm will replace x86 in the future, or other architectures might come up, but the main point is for a lesser supported architecture and pretty much firsy debut, the pricing have to be good to make it attractive. like when the 155h zenbook 14 came out earlier, it sold out real quick and was only in stock from bestbuy afterwards. i bought that and the msi prestige ai 16, both had issues due to the new chip. I cant imagine the x elite to not have first iteration issues.
Getting back to your point, its the cooling solution and the battery and chassis material that make up the bulk of the weight, same for noise. If those two are a concern, I think its better to look for ultra books rather than these new arm chip windows imo. Dollar for dollar, i would take a better suppoerted x86 plus dedicated gpu over first iteration just to be on the safe side.
Honestly not impressed at all, im more looking forward to AMD Strix Point which will be available in july, their first ever hybrid approach on laptop should be interesting, if lesser AMD chip like in this video can still somewhat keep up with the X Elite then that can only mean the upcoming Strix Point will be straight up faster than everything else
I agree, AMD is a safer bet
I think it’s great for smaller form laptops like the surface pro to actually get decent performance on integrated graphics without getting hot and having great battery life. To each their own
Yup, the 370 is likely to be at least 20% faster than the 8945HS in CPU and 25-30% faster in iGPU; which will make it ahead of all competition and by a good margin on the graphics/gaming front. Though maybe not quite in performance/watt.
@@christianr.5868 Fair enough but AMD strix points is available even on ASUS's small 13 inch convertible laptop, which can only mean that it's a very efficient chip
@@Son37Lumiere Performance per watt should be interesting, CPU wise should be very efficient but iGPU might not be so unless AMD somehow manage to make RDNA3.5 more efficient than RDNA3.
So happy to see the future not being an x86 world.
it's crazy that the secret to making a good chip was not using both outdated cores and node but picking the latest ones instead!
I, for one, am shocked.
Am I crazy or is 1300 too much for this laptop? Why would I not get an Ryzen 9 or Intel with RTX 4070 for 1500 $ ?
The selling points is battery life and low weight.
Yeah it’s for students or people who just need a laptop that will last and not make a ton of noise while having good enough performance
@@peterdz9573 Can't believe so many people don't get this
I've been SO waiting for this video!!!!!!!!!!
More of these New AMD and Qualcomm chip laptop reviews please Dave.... I have been waiting for this for a while. Thanks
finally, an upgradable macbook.
thankyou nuvia and qualcomm.
It's amazing that this guy is 50 years old! He looks like a teenager!
I don't believe it 😱
No, he’s 43
I don't think he's 50. Where did you hear that?
Am I seeing the same, the battery life is marginally better than last year’s x86 gaming laptops?
I was expecting Qualcom’s said 2x battery life.
Wooo! Might actually get one
Arm based windows devices > M4 iPad’s
Man am I glad that I held off buying a Dell xps 15. This Vivobook will be so good for movies, office apps & casual Photoshop
If i can get Battery life + (at least) 3050 level gaming (on battery), sign me up.
That ain’t happening brother
Certainly not a 3050.
What laptop let's you game at 3050 level on battery? Certainly not for over an hour lol
The gaming performance is terrible. The intel meteor lake igpu runs overwatch 2 at 158.1 fps at 1200p high settings (hardware canucks amd v. intel 2024). X elite is running half the fps at a low setting at 1080p. Nvidia and AMD lost ZERO sleep tonight.
@@nanogines Something that costs +2000 USD and doubt this is it.
u know what i was waiting for ? Zephyrus G16 Review...which didn't happen.
Received my Samsung Galaxy Edge 4 14" X1E80100 with an NP940XMA motherboard, about an hour ago. After couple of firmware /BIOS updates and couple of Windows Updates to 24H2 for ARM64), with two 4K monitors, BT Keyboard, I installed Citrix Workspace, MS Office and started working on office stuff. Man, its amazingly FAAAASSSSTTTTT!!!!! I love the experience so far. Installed Chrome / ARM and the score for Speedometer 3 is 26.5. Jetstream 2 score of 287. Connected to 6 shared network drives and the usual. Man I am very happy to have this laptop. It is totally worth it.
just saying
anything can handle chrome / office tasks, u didnt need to buy an overpriced ARM laptop, x86 one of same price smokes it
Being following Dave since the Essential Phone days, even if the topic of the video isn't of my interest it's always entertaining and informative to listen to his opinion.
is this sponsored?
Yes
Easily
Mac users who payed 200$ for additional RAM badly want snapdragon to fail....let the battle begin
The RAM prices from Apple suck BUT there are benefits to having Soldered RAM:
1. Lower latency.
2. Lower power consumption.
But how much considerable difference it makes with latency. @@PSYCHOV3N0M
But those RAM is faster like your DDR5 RAM.. they can reach 400GB/s in a laptop (M3 Max), and you need a 8-10channel DDR5 for that, do you have 10 RAM slots in laptop..? Same for GPU, PCIe 4.0 x16 is limited to 32GB/s.. you need PCIe 8.0 x16 slot for GPU to reach 400GB/s between CPU and GPU.. do you have a PCIe 8.0 card..? So are you the person who also refuse to pay more for a SSD, because HDD is the same and cheaper, and the difference is only the transfer speed? Because Apple method is the SSD, and the replaceable parts are the HDD, and HDD and SSD are never be in the same price range...
@@TamasKiss-yk4st The only reason they have to do that is because of no dedicated GPU. They need that RAM bandwidth to keep the GPU fed with data and most dedicated GPUs have better RAM bandwidth (also better performance usually).
They are no consumer CPU that can use over 150GB/s of bandwidth (especially the low core counts ones) so this "advantage" is completely in your head. This is precisely why the lower end Apple Silicon actually has 150GB/s bandwidth for both CPU and iGPU, there is no need for more, literally.
A traditional computer (laptop or not) with a dedicated GPU doesn't need that much bandwidth for the CPU RAM because there would be no use for it (especially with technology like direct access storage for the GPU).
You are being fooled by marketing.
Another very important question:
How does this new chip performs when plugged in and when it is not? We have seen X86 chips drop performance when they operate on battery.
Does that drop because of the settings reverting to balanced instead of performance?
Or even after changing settings to performance it doesn't match to plugged in?
@@LogicalError007 Yeah, good question.
i've tested it. 5-10% loss performance. which is really good. still in 120hz, everthing smooth. in x86 2023, you will see like 30%-40% loss and must run in 60hz or ur laptop will be dead in like 4-5 hours. this one can last all the 120hz and bright performance, in 10-12 hours.
Chips don't lose performance when they run on battery... fix your damn settings and it'll run the exact same
It is absolutely baffling that ASUS has such a hard time figuring out keyboard backlight. The rest of the product can be as close to perfection as possible...then the keyboard backlight adds a poop chocolate chip to the otherwise perfect cookie. Typing this on an otherwise perfect G14.
Also...just think about the flood of incoming X Elite gaming handhelds...what a time to be alive.
Competition is great. Now Apple might reconsider their RAM/SSD upgrading prices, it won't fly for much longer giving how powerful and how good battery life is on ARM windows machines now. Thanks for doing this review.