The BIZARRE DRAMA Between Scott Norwood and Marv Levy | Bills @ Browns (1987)
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- In week 11 of the 1987 NFL season, the Buffalo Bills played the Cleveland Browns at Cleveland Municipal Stadium. And after the Bills lost the game thanks to two missed field goals from kicker Scott Norwood, head coach Marv Levy had some choice words to say about his kicker, following his performance on the field and his attitude afterwards. This is the story behind the drama involving the 1987 Bills, Scott Norwood, and Marv Levy
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Members of the 1987 Bills:
Todd Schlopy
John Kidd
Rick Partridge
David Martin
Mark Miller
Scott Norwood
Dan Manucci
Jim Kelly
Brian McClure
Willie Totten
John Armstrong
Wayne Davis
Gerald Bess
Kerry Parker
Johnny Shepherd
Roland Mitchell
Bill Callahan
Leonard Williams
Ricky Porter
Ron Pitts
John Lewis
Greg Bell
Derrick Burroughs
Kerry Porter
Warren Loving
Ronnie Harmon
Carl Byrum
Steve Clark
Nate Odomes
Mark Kelso
Jamie Mueller
Larry Friday
Rob Riddick
Chip Nuzzo
Ira Albright
Durwood Roquemore
Dwight Drane
Joe Chetti
Mike Panepinto
Lawrence Johnson
Bruce King
Bob LeBlanc
Ray Bentley
Jim Ritcher
Kevin Lamar
Scott Schankweiler
John Kaiser
Scott Watters
Will Grant
Tony Furjanic
Eugene Marve
Mark Shupe
Cornelius Bennett
Darryl Talley
Mark Pike
Mike Jones
Shane Conlan
Steve Maidlow
Mitch Frerotte
Al Wenglikowski
Leonard Burton
Mark Traynowicz
Joe Bock
Rick Schulte
Adam Lingner
Joe Silipo
Tim Vogler
Kent Hull
Tony Brown
Scott Garnett
Joe Devlin
Sean Dowling
Don Sommer
Will Wolford
Richard Tharpe
Bruce Mesner
Joe McGrail
Erik Rosenmeier
Fred Smerlas
Mike Estep
Bruce Smith
Dean Prater
Walter Broughton
Sheldon Gaines
Andre Reed
Keith McKeller
Veno Belk
Kris Haines
Chris Burkett
Trumaine Johnson
Marc Brown
Gary Wilkins
Mark Walczak
Butch Rolle
Pete Metzelaars
Reggie Bynum
Steve Tasker
Thad McFadden
Arnold Campbell
Jack Bravyak
Will Cokeley
Scott Hernandez
Billy Witt
Scott Radecic
Sean McNanie
Craig Walls
Leon Seals
Marv Levy (head coach)
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"You can do the math on that." *Proceeds to do the math for us.* Lol
Yeah. That was tedious.
Superbowl 25 was the 1st Superbowl I remember watching. My house was divided between Giants fans & Bills fans. After the game ended my grandfather kicked all the Giants fans out.
Imagine having to live the rest of your life knowing you missed a game winning Super Bowl field goal. Ouch! You can bet every day of his life someone brings it up.
Yeah, it's even, worse, considering, how, many of his teammates didn't do their part in the Game, yet, remained anonymous, despite, everything, so, harsh.
@@matthewdaley746 I think most people around here don’t really hold Norwood to blame for that anymore. The reason why the Bills lost that game is because they couldn’t stop old man OJ Anderson spry at age 33 and 5 years past his prime, and couldn’t beat Jeff Hostetler. The front office also never thought it was an issue to upgrade the position at that point in time
@@mttzakr23 Most people didn't even hold it, against, him, at the time, the Giants had, two, consecutive masterful coaching jobs, plus, even the Giants, never, thought their strategy could, possibly, fool the Bills, and, yet, bizarrely, it did, what a development.
@@mttzakr23Yes. The Bills defense simply couldn’t get off the field. The Bills offense only had the ball for less then twenty minutes, and scored 17 points. Bruce Smith not strip sacking the Giants QB in the end zone was a big play and naturally the Bills could’ve went into halftime with a 12-3 lead. Bill Belichick’s game plan is in the HOF and I chuckle as that’s not the real reason why the Bills lost the game. Clearly Scott was never the same kicker after wide right. The Buffalo Bills are a cursed franchise. The late playoff loss to the Chargers in 1980. Then Ronnie Harmon drop in Cleveland, 0-4 in the Super Bowls, Jim Kelly’s knee was down in the playoffs vs the Jaguars, Andre Reed crossed the goal line in the playoffs in Miami. Then there’s music city miracle, which started 17 years of no playoff ball. They finally get good again and then blow a 16-0 lead in Houston in the playoffs. Then get blown at in Kansas City in the AFC title game only to have the Kansas City beat the following year in the playoffs and they literally choked the game away in Kansas City with 13 seconds to play. Then Hamlin literally dies on the field which ended up costing them home field in the playoffs which would’ve meant no Cincinnati and a week off. Then they got Cincinnati and got humiliated at home in last years playoffs in the snow. The Bengals are now 3-0 vs the Bills in the playoffs. I never get excited about the NFL season starting, even if they’re good. Look at this past MNF game as the reason why, just another national televised CHOKE. Well, perhaps they’ll show up beat the Raiders today by twenty plus. Go Bills.
@@ALastShotonTwoGoodHorsesBills horribly outcoached, unquestionably.
those last words about Norwood and wide right cut into every Bills fan like a knife..PS you can only imagine the firestorm in the media if Norwood had taken this same approach after the miss in XXV..to his credit he appeared to learn his lesson as he stayed to answer EVERY question following the 20-19 loss.
That was greatest moment in bills history
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PS there was a graphic just prior to the Super Bowl XXV kick that showed Norwood was only 1 for 5 up to that point on 40 yard plus FGs on a grass surface. Bills needed to get closer but ran out of time to do so. Some have said the Bills should have tried one more pass play to get it within 40 yards (inside the 25 yard line) but if the receiver is tackled in bounds, game over as they were out of time outs. The Bills loss was more due to a compilation of missed opportunities and tackles (think Darryl Talley on the Mark Ingram 3rd down catch) than a missed FG.
One has to wonder how Norwood not only was able to hold onto his job after this incident in question but throughout his 2-yr. slump leading up to it
Was there a player that took responsibility for things that were either not their fault, or they were only a part of the problem, and the coach had to chew then out for taking too much on their own head?
Norwoods claim to fame was that he could put up really good numbers kicking in swirling winds in Orchard Park
meh not really. He was average at best, and missed a lot of chip shots and XPs outside the 1988 season
Too bad they didn’t have Steve Christie two years earlier.
@@crowtservo Ralph tried to cheap out by not upgrading the kicker he got in 1985, since the offense was so prolific. It ended up biting them in SB XXV
1987. The turning point for the bills. Jim kelly and bruce smith were pro bowlers for the first time, and they swept miami for the first time since 1966, the dolphins 1st season
Great point, because before that the Bills were Miami's bitch.
The Bills couldn't touch the Fins in the early days of the modern-era NFL. The Fins owned the Bills in the '70s.
@@marcus813 20-0. They called it "the streak"
@@marcus813 The irony is that the hapless Bills -- despite the Dolphins' mastery over thin in the decade of the 70's -- were the team that gave the Fish their hardest and closest game in their "perfect" season of 1972. The 1972 game in the Orange Bowl between the two teams ended 24-23 ... a "1 point loss" by the Bills. Yet the Bills outplayed the Fish that day, and actually outscored Miami ("should" have won the game). The Bills' DB Tony Greene had a fantastic 100+ yard interception in the end zone that he returned all the way for a Bills TD that got wiped out by a BOGUS PHANTOM "penalty." That play was a 14 point swing because it directly took a TD away from Buffalo, AND gave Miami the ball 1st and goal within the shadow of the Bills' end zone which gifted a TD to Miami with Larry Czonka as their battering ram. Miami coach Don Shula was also on the NFL Competition Committee at that time, and he ROUTINELY threatened the officiating crews with their jobs in order to get beneficial officiating calls. Yet with all that questionable "stuff" going on, Miami still could manage only a 1-point "win" at home against a bad Bills team. I watched the game as it unfolded, and was disgusted at the officiating.
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Fun Fact: Two weeks later all AFC East teams would be tied at 5-5.
This unofficial Official Jaguar Gator 9 historian will remind everyone you made a video about another Bills kicker, John Leypoldt, and his disastrous game in 1976 against Miami.
What really stands out about that decade is that Buffalo went 0 for 20 against Miami during the 1970s...a futility record that stands to this day for losing against a division opponent during a full decade.
Norwood was a young guy who, just like all young people, needed some time to mature. Once that happened, while he would never be known for long distance accuracy, within 40 yards he was one of the best. And the miss in the Super Bowl wouldn't be an issue if it wasn't for 2 things: the K-Gun not being able to solve the defense of then Giants DC Bill Belichick and the Bills D not being able to stop the Giants on a 3rd and 13.
Yea but those are mostly excuses, to be honest. The fact that the Bills managed to get into FG range after the K-Gun offense had been mostly ineffective all game was good on the offense and Thurman Thomas really carried the team during that drive.
Norwood HAS to make that kick. We can argue that maybe he shouldn't have been in that position in the first place but that's what the situation was. If he makes the kick, he's a hero......if he misses, he's a loser. If he makes that kick, Belichick's defense wouldn't be talked about as much and that 3rd and 18 means nothing in the long run.
That's why that kick haunts him and Bills fans to this day.
@@crater0441. Making a 47 yard FG was not automatic back then, and isn't exactly a chip shot now, it's easy to blame the kicker when there's plenty of blame to go around. 2. Remember the reception for the team a couple days later at Niagara Square? Norwood got the biggest cheer from the crowd, because they knew he won a few games for them that season. 3. If anything haunts me about the game it's the 3rd and 13. If it wasn't for the weak attempts at tackling, the Giants are punting instead of scoring a touchdown on the drive.
@@tonythomas2391 the Giants dominated 3rd downs on both sides of the ball. They were 9 for 16 on 3rd downs, while Buffalo was 1 for 8. The Mark Ingram 3rd and 13 conversion is one of several big conversions on those TD drives. The Stephen Baker touchdown was also on 3rd and long.
Buffalo actually moved the ball well, they had about 370 yards from scrimmage despite only 19 minutes of possession and fewer plays. But the Giants made big stops on 3rd down and big conversions on 3rd on offense.
In some ways it’s similar to Gary Anderson missing the (easier) FG in the 98’ NFC title game. They would have won if the kicks were made, so on some level you can blame them, but there’s plenty of other important plays and reasons why teams lose
@@tonythomas2391 People say Norwood won a few games for them in 1990. Not really. The K-gun offense was potent that FG's never decided the game or the 2 playoff games before SB. Norwood almost costed them the 77second comeback game, which you can see here on Jaguar9 videos. He was 1-3 FG and 2-3 XP and Bills won by 1 point. He was a liability throughout 1990 and was the final nail in the SB team loss. He was even worse in 1991 until he was cut.
Eh, with the exception of 1988, Norwood was a below average kicker. In 1990 he was definitely in the bottom half of the league.
There were countless ways the Bills lost that game. Many people have listed the reasons, but I'll add one more.
After the Bills scored a safety to go up 12-3 in the second quarter, they got possession of the ball and got to about midfield. On third and short, Reed dropped a short wide open pass that would've given them a first down. They were just out of FG range and had to punt. They could of put the game out of reach early with another score because the Giants lacked a quick strike offense to overcome big deficits. And that killed the Bills offensive momentum as they barely saw the field for about an hour afterwards.
Norwood was among the best in the league in ‘88 and ‘89. He started to fade in ‘90, the season that ended with his infamous Super Bowl miss. As noted elsewhere, he lasted one more season. I remember his ‘91, he was obviously a wreck. Missed about 20 field goals against the Raiders but did make the winner in OT.
The Bills lost Super Bowl 25 for 3 reasons:
1. Norwood. 1 for 5 on grass fields at or longer than 40 yards prior to "Wide Right" if the Bills had Steve Christie for this game that 47 yard field goal would have been good.
2. Being in between the Fred Smerlas era and the Ted Washington era. The Bills two best defensive players that season were Bruce Smith, a defensive end, and Cornielus Bennett, an outside linebacker. So the strength of the Bills defensive front seven that year was on the outside. They were weak at the NT position because of being in between the Fred Smerlas era and the Ted Washington era. Had the Bills had Smerlas or Washington to clog up the middle, O.J. Anderson doesn't run for 102 yards and the Giants don't get 40 minutes of time of possession.
3. With no timeouts and the ball at the Giants 40 yard line, it was a mistake to run the ball. While Thurman Thomas had been the Bills best offensive player all day that day, it would have been more efficient to throw sideline passes that could have stopped the clock. Heck, I think the Bills should have taken one deep shot with Lofton there and if that was incomplete then go to a sideline passing game. While Thomas actually did well to gain 11 yards on the play, running the ball with no timeouts meant that there would only be time for one more play after that, which had to be the field goal attempt. With the use of a sideline passing game, maybe they get Norwood closer. I believe he would have made the kick were it 7-8 yards closer.
Aftermath: The 1991 Redskins and 1992 Cowboys were great single season teams that weren't being beat, plain and simple. However, the Bills likely win Super Bowl 28 if Thomas doesn't have that critical fumble. About a third of the way through the third quarter, with the Bills leading 13-6, Thomas fumbled and Cowboys safety James Washington returned it for a game tying touchdown. It was all Emmitt and all Cowboys after that. That fumble was a clear cut turning point and if Thomas holds onto the ball there, the Bills likely win. So, the Bills potentially could've gone 2 for 4 in their 4 Super Bowls
Unpopular opinion: The Bills of the Kelly-Thomas-Reed-Smith-Bennett-Levy era's had a much bigger missed opportunity in 1988 than in 1991 or 1992. The 1988 Bills went 12-4 and lost to the Bengals in the AFC Championship Game before Joe Montana, Jerry Rice, and John Taylor would go on the break the Bengals hearts two weeks later. BUT, the Bills started that season 11-1 before losing 3 of their last 4 games. Had they won 3 of their last 4 instead of losing 3 of their 4 games, they would have had home field advantage in the AFC Championship Game. I believe the Bills would've beaten the Bengals had the game been in Buffalo and the 49ers were clearly more vulnerable that year than they were the next year in 1989. (No one was touching the 1989 49ers.) Bills vs 49ers in Super Bowl 23 would've been a crapshoot.
The 1988 Bills were not as good as their 12-4 record indicated. They were winning a lot of close games. That was thanks to Bills Top 3 Defense and their conservative offense and Norwood having his one good kicking season. They overachieved and went as far as they should've. The Bengals were clicking that season. The 49ers started out slow with their QB controversy, before settling with Joe Montana. They caught on fire after that and kicked everyones ass all the way to their Super Bowl win. That was the start of their undisputed 2.5 year reign on top of the NFL, which ended a week before the Bills vs 49ers destined Super Bowl in 1991, when Joe got knocked into Kansas City.
Also, if the ball had been in the center instead of on the right hash marks the kick would have been good unless of course Norwood adjusts his mechanics or angle of attack to compensate for the different location.
Leaving Fred Smerlas unprotected in "Plan B" at the time certainly didn't help the Bills. One of the rare miscues Bill Polian made in an otherwise masterful collection of talent by the end of the 80's.
Would the Bills have reached Super Bowl XXV with Fred Smerlas? I say yes. I do recall that the Bills run defense was suspect in 1990 (15th of 28).
Smerlas might've been an aging pro by 1990. But I think his presence alone would've been a major difference maker for the Bills defense. Losing Art Still to retirement didn't help, either. He actually had a bit of a revival when he played for the Bills in '88 and '89.
But Bill Polian was sold on the younger, yet unproven and undersized Jeff Wright. Leon Seals certainly had his moments. But overall, the defensive line was not the Bills' strength in the early-90's, even with all-world Bruce Smith.
Is it weird that the thing that stuck out the most in this vid was the big ass Marlboro sign? You literally don't see that anymore.
In modern day NFL Norwood would have been gone after this game if he was struggling. You miss those types of field goals today, you are not having a job come Monday.
Interesting background story ... because Scott Norwood clearly "learned his lesson" in deportment and accountability. Also, Marv Levy broke into NFL coaching as George Allen's special teams coach with the Washington Redskins' "Over the Hill" Gang ... so poor special teams play (including missed FGs) really drove Marv Levy nuts.
After Norwood missed the would-be Super Bowl XXV game-winning Field Goal, he took 100% responsibility and felt terrible. The team rallied around him completely, and the next day the people of Buffalo and WNY nonetheless held a post-Super Bowl rally at Niagara Square in the heart of downtown Buffalo right in front of City Hall. The fans cheered loudest for Scott Norwood (in the background on the big platform, as he of all people was NOT scheduled to speak to the crowd -- "we want Scott ... we want Scott ..." The love shown by the fans in the crowd brought the man to tears, and he dedicated the following season to the Bills fans. The Bills returned to the Super Bowl that next season (and for two more seasons directly after that), and Norwood didn't miss a single kick (extra point or FG) ... but unfortunately the Bills got steamrolled by a better Redskins team. The following season the Bills acquired Steve Christie as their new kicker, and Norwood was out of football.
He would also miss a crucial extra point 2 years later in the playoff game vs. the Browns on the same field, in which the Bills lost 34-30
Can you do a segment on the Giants controversial move to New Jersey in the early 1970's?
I'm interested in that story. A whole bunch of palms were greased for that move to take place.
That would be good, because it's one of the few things Wellington Mara got right in the seventies. The Giants wanted their own facility where they were the primary tenants, and therefore reap most of the revenues.
NYC was in dire financial straits at the time, and I
think Mayor Lindsay was not big on spending for another sports stadium.
And NJ came forward with a real sweetheart deal that practically handed the Meadowlands to the Mara's.
There was an old book called "The League" by David Harris that touched upon it.
@@TheAlfrulz Howard Cosell also touched on this story in his book I Never Played The Game. Sonny Werblin, who used to own the Jets until he was bought out, was also involved with the launch of the Meadowlands. And Pete Rozelle tried to justify the move by calling it a suburban relocation. Ironically, the Jets would move to the Meadowlands in 1984 as soon as their Shea Stadium lease was up.
I wonder if there were any "waste management" connections and kickbacks. #MeadowlandsMafia
@@saj8- Very good! I do remember Werblin playing a role in the Meadowlands sports complex.
The more I think and recall it, the Jets in the early eighties were in the same situation as the Giants a decade earlier. Just replace Mara with Leon Hess, and Lindsay with Ed Koch.
Only thing you forgot to mention in terms of Norwood (not sure if ya mentioned in different video) but he struggled kicking on natural grass
For him to blame the astro turf which he kicked on regularly was laughable
I was never a coach, but I always thought the best way to coach a player out of a bad game or 'slump' was to paraphrase what a kind person said when reflecting on the loss of their family member in the tragic 1986 Space Shuttle disaster. ( The investigation pointed to cheap O-rings causing the fatal leak of fuel, I think ).
"everyone is doing their best, but on some days, in some circumstances, one person's best may not be good enough".
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Everyone talks crap about Norwood missing that field goal. No one ever talks crap about the bills offense not making it a shorter field goal!!!
Seriously? Most offenses back in that day and age would have never even gotten their kicker into makeable range in the amount of time they had left. Norwood sucked kicking on grass plain and simple. Go look at the stats.
You know, I wished the NFL would properly realign the divisions. For example, a team like Baltimore absolutely should be in the AFC East or Dallas should be realigned to the NFC South. I get the rivalries and such but geographically, some of the division placements never made sense to me 💯
The NFL likes to have the Cowboys in the NFC East because it means that the NFC East has three large market East Coast teams and the highly popular cowboys all in the same division. That means high ratings for NFC East divisional matchups.
@@ryanjacobson2508 and technically Dallas is located in EAST Texas, not West Texas.
In the 70s the Atlanta Falcons were in the Western Division of the NFC.
I liked the segment, but I think it was a little overblown. After all, Levy didn’t expressly say Norwood stunk and the 6 points Norwood left on the table wouldn’t NECESSARILY have resulted in a Bills win. Plus, it should have added an epilogue about how Norwood DID take accountability for his (far more significant) miss in Super Bowl XXV. The grace and dignity with which he conducted himself so shortly after the worst moment of his life was legendary and far superior to what you ever see from modern day players. I would like to see a segment on Norwood’s 91-92 season. Statistically, it was a disaster for Norwood but he made some clutch kicks. This includes the game winner in OT against the Raiders (after he started 0/3 with a missed XP) and the game deciding kick in the 4Q of the AFC Title Game on a day that conditions were so bad in Buffalo that the opposing kicker went 0/3. Levy went out of his way to publicly laud Norwood in both these cases.
The missed FG at the 5:04 mark didn't appear to be Norwood's fault, but the 2 missed FGs in the game covered here were definitely on him. An NFL PK should make FGs closer than 40 yards as long as the field's not a hot mess and the natural surface in Cleveland didn't seem to be janky.
As for the missed FG in Super Bowl XXV here in Tampa, a 47-yard FG isn't a chip shot in any case. Norwood wasn't as good with that type of FG on natural turf as he was on artificial turf and remember he played all but 4 of his games that season on artificial turf.
Yeah, and, after, being, thoroughly, historically, outcoached, if an assistant coach doesn't, moronically, waste their, last, TO, Thurman Thomas doesn't have to run, out-of-bounds, early, and, the, FG's, significantly, shorter.
TBF that field probably didn't bother Alex Groza either.
Unless he bet the game.
It was a bad snap. Have to remember as a kicker you have 1.3 -
1.5 seconds if lucky from the moment the ball is snapped to the point of your foot making contact with the ball lest it get blocked. So that fraction of a second the holder took to catch the inside snap and put it where he was supposed to put it Totally can does and will throw everything off. It was wide because the ball wasn't planted where he wanted it so he over shot with the plant foot by a good foot maybe more.
If I were forming a band today… I’d call it “Norwood Wide Right.”
The Bills current kicker Tyler Bass missed an extra point on Thanksgiving which is only 25 yrds so it happens to the Best of kickers.
Granted, Norwood might have had a point with the field...I've read about kickers who don't like kicking at Soldier Field for similar reasons...he just shouldn't have thrown his teammates under the bus like he did.
Yeah, well, three, years, later, they, were, only, too happy to do the exact same thing to him, while, conveniently, ignoring the fact that they, were, totally, outcoached, just sad, it is.
Today if an NFL kicker can't connect from 60 yards, he's a chump. I look forward to seeing 80 yard field goals. A team goes three and out from their own 37 yard line and sends in the field goal team.
"Don't blame Norwood he isn't very good" defense is very telling.
Zach Wilson should watch this video. He won't, but he should.
Eventually, Scott Norwood would be out of the game after the 91 season when the Bills signed Steve Christie.
Norwood was never historically an accurate kicker beyond 40 yards and especially on grass.
Right before the miss in XXV, ABC showed a graphic-he was 1-5 from 40 plus on grass up to that point. It proved prophetic as the kick was from 47.
He never made a kick that long off of grass.
Norwood wasn’t a good kick on natural grass fields from what I remember. Also back then, nearly half the league was on artificial turf which Norwood was decent on (up to 40 yard distance of course).
Norwood never scored a 50 yarder until his last season. His longest was 52 yds in 1991.
I'm on the mobile app. Was that a joke or did jaguargator9 really do an mlb video?
It's the video from a few weeks ago about how Game 7 of the '86 World Series occurred at the same time as a MNF game at Giants Stadium.
Norwood kicked the crap out of the ball. His only mistake was his alignment and follow through. He had plenty of distance but unfortunately it was five feet to the right. Bills got Steve Christie two years too late.
I always liked Matt bahr during that Era but his percentage wasn't any better than norwoods. At the end of his career he was at 72% like Norwood. Crazy how far kickers have evolved in this game. Steve Christie was 78% by the time he retired and I thought he was impeccable.
Love your content and your obvious love of the game. One note: give your audience more credit. "The Browns won 27-21. You can do the math on that." Yes, we can, so let us do it. Don't spend more sentences afterwards explaining that it was a six-point deficit that would not have existed if Norwood had made his kicks.
Sounds like they should've cut Norwood two years before that Super Bowl. That Super Bowl loss is on the Bills organization.
You're, right, about that, the entire organization got outcoached, and, when they required a scapegoat, he fit the bill, I'd say that he fell on his sword, if, only, his teammates hadn't pushed him.
The Bills defense and especially the offense were so good by 1990, Ralph decided he could cheap out and keep a weak kicker. It ended up biting them in the end.
@Rich Viola Being, outcoached, didn't help, either, the Giants had, beaten, the 49ers, and, weren't, about to be bullied by their opposition, sure, weren't.
@@matthewdaley746 part of me thinks the ghost of Super Bowl XXV haunted the next 3 Super Bowls they played as they performed progressively worse each year afterwards.
Could argue that were actually better on paper than the Redskins the next year but they got dominated in that game and I'm saying this as a Skins fan. That was our last relevant year.
They still eeked out two more Super Bowls against Dallas which was just a bad matchup for them.
@@Unpackaged_Vinyl The, SB, against, Washington, had a, rather, deceptively-close, score, because, the Bills exploded, offensively, in, the, Fourth, Quarter, Andre Reed, was, penalized, for, throwing his helmet, but, at least, he, never, lost, it, I remember, he, frequently, lost, his composure, like, the, Playoff, Game, against, the Dolphins, where, he, was, ejected, after, he hit an official.
Comparing Scott Norwood and Bill Buckner, ouch
it feels so weird that 86% with a long of 48 used to be an all-pro kicker
That was my biggest takeaway too. I would guess the improvement is due to the increase in popularity of soccer in the US. More kids grow,up playing it.
@@wcm5636 plus the field conditions and equipment are better. Less stadiums with ridiculous wind patterns.
Coach Levy was well-respected, I thought. I was still then a Steelers & Dolphins fan ( old school fan support rooted in the 1970s when I grew up as a kid cheering them ).
I just think it was an unnecessary & damaging thing for coach to do to any player - poor guy.
That kind of public pounding can destroy a person's self-confidence.
I admit Levy was right to push back on Norwood's ridiculous blaming all but himself......but I just think this correction of Norwood should have been behind a closed door, not in the press.
After that super bowl against the Giants Scott Norwood tried to kill himself, Bullet miss wide right
Bills fans had mad respect for Norwood. Bills lost on bad tackling.
that snap seemed perfectly bad
What kind of golf club slices to the right? A Norwood
Ouch!
Kelly was class of 75. Elway was the only one to beat the curse.
i believe scott norwood lost his confidence after that first super bowl and that was the reason for his two year slump
I think it's still unfair everyone blames Norwood for losing that game. Bills should have gotten him in closer. Bills had 3 other opportunities to right themselves in the super bowl but never came close. Fans always want to blame someone. Aka bill Buckner, Jackie Smith, neil o donnell. You lost because you weren't good enough. Simple!
They, also, should have blamed themselves, for, getting outcoached, the 1990 Giants, won, two, Games, by a total of, three, points, they, also, beat, a, better, 49ers team, in, San Francisco, without, even, scoring, a, TD.
I think Norwood wasn't a good kicked, especially at the end of his career. But that Bills loss was a team loss, aside from Thurman Thomas, the real SB MVP.
@@RichV20 It didn't help, that an assistant coach wasted, a, TO, which, meant, that, Thurman Thomas, had to run, out-of-bounds, far, earlier, than, he would have, otherwise, that little thing, "might," have, ultimately, been the supreme decider.
On a bills note, I can not wait for the video on how the bills ended up in the lions stadium to then play 2 games in that same stadium on Thanksgiving in the same week 🥲😄😄
Norwood shoulda been gone in '88. Had he been, the Bills woulda won against the Giants in the SB.
Thing is the Sox won 4 world series in Buckners life time and there was a severe carthisis with him and the fans on opening day 2008 (celebrating the second) of course the media held on to it till the day he died causec hey don't have a life...the fact is like with Norwood Buckner play was just one of many player and coaching blunders...
Yeah, but, it looks, like, their reign is, over, Tampa Bay, is succeeding, despite, everything, and, they appear poised, for, a, total purge, of, the, roster.
@@matthewdaley746 I was just referring to fans getting over things. In Norwood case the bills finally need to win a suoerbowl
@@scottaznavourian3720I get it, the, only, team I think they can't, beat, is, Tampa Bay, however, with, their run defense destroyed, they, likely, won't face them, if, they, reach, the, SB, attrition arrives.
I personally don't think it's fair to blame norwood alone their were a lot of reasons the bills lost the game first of all who ever called for passes down field on 3rd and 1 or less should've lost their job. considering how great thurman thomas was playing they could've just thrown screen passes. or have kelly take it up the gut. so no norwood isn't too blame
WIDE RIGHT
Stop defending him. He was a choke artist!
Almost saved them, interesting.
@snwrist3 Yeah, he forgot where his helmet, was, and, now, that, The, Floodgates, Are, Opened, Andre Reed displayed demonstrable immaturity, Jim Kelly, didn't get the Bills, closer, and, Bruce Smith, didn't, get, a, TD, that, would, likely, have, ended, the, SB, at that, very, moment.
Marv would have won a super bowl if Marv would have let Scott go.
The Bill Buckner comparison is inaccurate. Norwood was pretty much healthy. Buckner had 2 bad legs (Kirk Gibson 2 years later bad) and had no business being on the field in the first place. I'm going to play devil's advocate for a moment. Marv Levy handled the situation worse than Norwood. No matter what the player is spouting, the coach is the leader, and should never blame a single player for a loss (provoked or not). When there's probably a dozen reasons why the Bills lost, to say that Norwood was the only reason, is inappropriate and unfair. Norwood's is indefensible. But so is Levy's.
In that same vein, the way his teammates treated, him, after, the, SB, was, horrible, they, lost, because, they got outcoached, and, he almost bailed them out of their mistakes.
Buckner was a very good player and had a long great career. He probably would have been in the hof if it weren't for that play. Red Sox could have clinched the next game, but did not. Bob Stanley blew that game.
@@Bigchet1223 I think I read, somewhere, that, at the time, of his retirement, Billy Buckner, had, the, second-most, hits, of, any, Non-HOFer, behind, only, Pete Rose, there, were, a, bunch of guilty parties, he, surely, wasn't, one, of them, at all.
I have not come around for norwood
biscuit co bennett refused to play for colts.
They still kept him?!