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Excellent. I have another important tip: Freeze ticks with liquid nitrogen from an over-the-counter wart removal kit BEFORE extracting the tick. Why? Because using tweezers and such will squeeze the innards of the tick into your bloodstream, thus infecting you if the ticks carries diseases. Freezing the tick will make the tick drop dead while freezing the innards. If it doesn't drop, you are still safe to remove it with tweezers. Use disinfected narrow tweezers to get a deep down into the bite as possible to remove as much of the tick as is possible. Finish by cleaning the bitten area with an alcohol wipe. Failing that, know that ticks carry many disabling diseases, not just Lyme disease. You might clear a Lyme disease screening and still have one or more of the other serious diseases that ticks carry that will ruin your life if untreated. It was recently discovered at URI that ticks need to be reinfected with Lyme disease each year after winter in order to carry Lyme disease, so you are unlikely to contract Lyme disease in the early spring or dead of winter. I don't know about those other diseases. Amazing tick fact: Ticks can live nine years without feeding.
@@DoseofDirt Yes. I learned it from a friend who lives near URI in our state. He knew I was a backpacker. He is even closer to ground zero - Lyme, CT - than I am. He's about 30 mi away. I'm about 70 mi away. There are probably more people infected in Rhode Island and Connecticut than most of the country combined. And don't kid yourself. All of us have seen people go through excruciating hardship and eventual death that drags on for decades. Lucky for me, I have only had to try it once. It worked just like he said. He's done it over and over again 'cuz he walks his dog and the dog picks up ticks. According to doctors around here, if you get that tick out of you within 48 hours you're probably safe from getting infected by Lyme disease. I don't know about that. I wouldn't take that risk. I'd want to get that tick out on the first day. And if I don't. I'm still going to remove it with this method, and that I'm going to go to the doctor and get the antibiotics. And I'll hope that it'll catch any other diseases. As far as the seasonality of Lyme disease with ticks, I know that holds in cold climate winters. I don't know if that's going to work in a place like Southern California. The PhD at URI who came up with this idea is also the same PhD who discovered the seasonality of lime infection in ticks. It is my understanding he is the world's foremost tick disease expert. I couldn't find out his name or find a UA-cam channel title. But any Phd video from Rhode Island or Connecticut about tick diseases and avoiding them is going to be very best in the world. It might be part of Tick Encounter.
I have hiked and worked in Tick country all my life of 70+ years. For much of that time I have used Irish Spring soap around all my clothes openings and the only times I have had a tick bite(twice) is when I didn't use Irish Spring soap because of an impromptu excursions into the brush. I have been in situations going through brush when we were knocking them off our clothes and never got a bite. I always carry Irish Spring in the Glove box of my rigs just in case, but usually prepare for ticks at home by making suds in my hand and applying it around my ankles, waist, neck, sleeve openings in a about a 6" band above and below the openings. If you have a button up shirt and no T-shirt under, apply the suds along the length of the shirt opening. Velcro straps at the ankle and shirt sleeve openings could also be employed but I have never used that application but only mention it for consideration.
Body chemistry has a huge role in how ticks perceive you as a host. I'm 50, have rolled in the dirt in the Army, live in the woods, and work in the bush. I have had one embedded tick my entire life. Adding garlic and onions to your diet will help beyond belief. There's a whole chemistry lesson with sulphur containing organic compounds (mercaptans) that you sweat out that ticks and chiggers find undesirable. An old Army Ranger trick is to eat match heads before going into the bush. I've told many northwoods bear hunters this and they are now believers. Plus, you're not putting strange chemicals on your body
Tick spoons are frequently given away at vets. They are light weight and good to have on your Keychain. You wiggle the notch in the spoon on the mouth of the tick to get it to release. This results in less ripped of tick heads still left attached. That said tweezers can remove splinters etc so it's a choice you have to make. The diseases from ticks come from their gut and they can vomit when being ripped off so take your time and be gentle to avoid unnecessary exposure to the ticks gut. Ex exterminator. Good info as always.
I haven't tried the tick spoon or tornado or other tools. Like you said, tweezers can be multi-functional, but those other tools are also really small and light! Everything about ticks is nasty. Of course they would get you even in death by vomiting their nastiness back into your blood stream. I'm sure you've seen some crazy stuff as an ex exterminator! Thanks for watching and even more for sharing your thoughts!
I use wild bergamot, which grows all around me, also called bee balm, in witch hazel…add some catmint, basil and lemon balm to repel Missouri ticks. It works for me. I don’t use essential oils because they’re a volatile substance and not really a healthy alternative for human skin. I use essential oils on countertops, etc., but not on skin. ❤ We bought chemicals when we first moved here but quickly learned that since I actually LIVE in the woods, I needed an all-natural prevention. ❤ Great video!!!
I use Picaridin, it's ace for mosquitoes (we have ticks, but they are less of an issue here unless in deer areas, and even then as you say - avoid the long grass, wear long trousers...I have gotten one of my stomach once though, when I sat painting on a hillock and it must have crawled in so yes waist treatment or tucking is a must...I used chairs from then on). I found that horse places like Hedgewitch have the big bottles for spraying horses, but it's fine for humans -says you can treat yourself and the horse, and then refill little spray bottles from that. Permethrin I am wary of, given the toxicity and since my eczema makes me very sensitive, even a little to Picaridin but nothing like the horrible itch of DEET. Coated myself in the stuff in my visits to Africa and that and a little sunburn is a horribly itchy feeling for me. The stuff feels greasy and not good; whereas Picaridin feels mostly OK.
Before a camping trip, I spray my clothing and gear. I turn my clothes inside out, lay them down on the deck, and spray. And yes, underwear too. The groin is a favorite target area of ticks. When it dries, it doesn’t affect are skin, whether that bare skin is an elbow or something more personal. I also spray my sleeping bag inside, and tent screens, inside corners and ceiling. Permethrin kills bugs and spiders to, not just ticks. Courtesy of Half Vast Flying
Yes, Permethrin is awesome for ticks and other bugs! Glad I"m not the only one that also spays some of my gear! I'm still never gotten a tick with this Permethrin / Picaridin combo!
The most Informative and well to understand video I have ever come across. You are a good man and thank you for including the links. I'm now subbed and will continue to support your channel and hiking, camping information. Thank you Dose of Dirt
Thanks, Chris! Good to have those options. I've been thinking about how I might be able to do a test to compare them. I know for some, going more natural is super important, so appreciate you leaving the comment! Thanks for watching!
Natural route? No thanks! I HATE these pests. I want the most powerful and destructive options I have at my disposal to eradicate them. I want them dead, not repelled.
Can you share what the name of the product you use that contains these? I would love to try them. We live in Massachusetts, and the ticks are out of control!
I've used Permethrin for years. But, Deet had always been my go-to for spot applications. (Frankly, I viewed Lyme disease as worse than possible Deet side effects.) However, after watching this I looked more into Picaridin and I will be giving it a try this year now. Thanks for the dope video!
Hey Yahu! I can't disagree with you that the side effects of Deet are worth the risk to keep ticks away! I also used Deet for a long time until I found Picaridin last year. So far I haven't had a tick this year! 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻 And that honestly impresses me because I find them on my feet or hands just after going in the backyard (if I haven't used Picardin), so they are definitely out there!
@@DoseofDirt Seriously, this is awesome and valuable information. I thank you once again for the knowledge. I was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis well over a decade ago and had basically abandoned the outdoors for years. My wife (wedded last year) is very interested in the outdoors, however. So, I've been trying hard just to get back out there to enjoy it with her. I pretty much just jumped back into Deet because it was all I knew. But, man, that stuff is even more terrible than I remember as a teenager. Aside from the health issues we all know about by now, it also "melts" many types of "plastic". It even left an "overspray" on the top of my wife's leather boots that I now have to try to flake and wash off before I can leather treat them. It's almost as if you need to treat your skin with it standing naked in a hermetically sealed room to not have it get onto and ruin something! I don't know if Picaradin is similar to Deet in that aspect. But, if not, I may just have to electronically hug you from the both of us! LOL
@@yahusrevus Congrats on the recent wedding! That is fantastic!! Rheumatoid Arthritis! Dang, that is tough. Definitely best of luck getting back to enjoying the outdoors. I'm sure sometimes that is just painful and/or you just don't have it in you. I can't even imagine. Praying and hoping you have more good days and can enjoy the beauty of nature. the thought of a hermetically sealed deet application chamber has me rolling on the floor. hilarious! Picaridin is definitely not like that. I sometimes get it on my clothing when I'm applying but never stress about it because it doesn't eat away at stuff like Deet does. I've got an old can of deet spray sitting in my mudroom that will never get used now. No need with the Picaridin! I'll take the the e-hug! 😆 Hope you and your wife are able to get out and enjoy some wilderness this weekend!
@@DoseofDirt Dude! You're supposed to be off doing cool UA-camr things, not replying to the plebs. LOL Thank you, once again, and especially for the prayers. They are both needed and coveted. We will pick up some Picaradin TODAY. I'm so stoked to hear it's not as nasty as Deet. My wife will be even more so. Blessings, my friend. ~hug~
I just watched a video by one of the world's foremost tick expert, from URI. He doesn't recommend DEET, saying it doesn't work well against ticks, especially after it has dried. It is designed as a "confusent" against mosquitos. It was not designed for ticks.
Recently on a camping trip i couldn't find my soap, but I had menthol shaving cream. Yup I washed in it. Not 1 mosquito bite 👏👏 I found my soap, aha I ended up with several bites including a spider bite. Sooooo Cheap menthol shaving cream is great for mosquitoes 😅
Mate, this was so helpful!! I was just about to buy a bottle of sawyers because every time I work in my yard I get ticks. I'm so glad I saw your video first because I bought the martin's instead for the same price. This is great! Thank you so much👍👍
I absolutely love that stuff!! The best thing I've ever bought at Walmart on clearance just because... literally not one spider, mosquito, fly, or any other insect in or around my tent!!
I've been using permethrin lotion, the one day I didn't use it I got a tick on my inner thigh , I was however hiking through some overgrown brush, and didn't have my pants tucked in my socks, the stuff works great , thanks for your videos, really informative.
Thanks, Daniel! Ya, it's amazing what a difference it makes! When I use both of these things I hardly give ticks a thought while I'm hiking (still do the check at camp just to be safe, though)! Thanks so much for you comment! Truly appreciated!
Thanks for helping take care of all of us! Keeping that overgrowth down makes such a big difference! Maybe I'll start taking shears on some of my trips as well!
This is a handy video! Thanks. I bloody hate ticks, a little freaked out by them but only just realised (naively) that a tick bite does not always = Lymes disease…
Hey James! Ya, ticks freak me out as well, which is why I take the prevention so seriously. This combo has been excellent for me! As I was preparing this video, I found myself wondering whether they were a big deal in the UK or not, but sounds like they are an issue there as well! Even though not every tick = Lyme disease, I don't like taking the risk!
If using the permethrin spray (great stuff) don't forget to also spray the INSIDE of clothing at entry points, shirt cuffs, end of trousers, inside belt line etc.
Two great products! I have the picaridin in aerosol spray, pump spray, and lotion. I like to use the aerosol to quickly treat something that I should have treated with permethrin. The pump spray and lotion I apply like you do.
@@Doc_Watson I'm surprised how often I see both permethrin and picaridin on clearance! I think I've picked up those yellow sawyer bottles for $5 or less randomly on clearance at Walmart. Just have to be walking past the right section at the right time, I guess!
In the Army, we were issued permethrin kits. But ours had us put our clothes in a heavy bag and soak them with a copious amount of the mix for 10 minutes. Then we took the clothes out and hung them till dry. I’m wondering if dong something similar with the commercial sprays would result in a better application to clothes (especially if using the bulk chemical you mix yourself since it’s very cost effective).
The Martin permethrin is not formulated for clothing and its durability is not certain. A product named Durethrin ( or similar) is specifically formulated for clothing and has the durability you mentioned. I have purchased and used both products.
as a land surveyor we were given Deet high percentage but many of us could not take the side effects of daily use. I for one switched to avon bug guard which was water and sweat proof as well as sun protection. I then looked into making my own spray using 10:1 lemon eucalyptus oil and witch hazel which I noticed worked on the bugs as well. This was my Florida regiment.... not to say sometimes I preferred military hat netting gloves and everything buttoned up . Can't work like that too long in hot weather in a swamp with waders and such. We would often use a lighter on each other and burn the suckers off every night and throw our mud gear out on the hotel balcony as well.
"10:1 lemon eucalyptus oil and witch hazel which I noticed worked on the bugs as well"...Just mix and spray on exposed skin areas, to deter ticks? And mosquitoes?
Great video. I don't advise picardin on your face though especially not above your nose and mouth where it can make it's way there. I wouldn't spray the permeferin in your tent. I use a tick tornado with great results it's also extremely light.
Thanks for adding your comments! Ya, i try to avoid getting permethrin in the tent (that's why I spray from the inside to the outside for the mesh), but some prefer not to treat the tent at all. I sometimes go back and forth on this, but figure it isn't much hassle and reduces the risk of ticks further. I have heard mixed things about the tornado. Some love it and others say the twisting motion can be bad. As with other tools, it's probably about using it correctly. They are so light, it can't hurt to throw one in the pack along with the tweezers! Thanks for watching and for adding your thoughts! Truly appreciated!
My Sister has lyme from tick bite. It is nasty, she still has fatigue and sickness from it. Her Doctor told her to make sure to use deet, that it is the only true way to stop ticks. Said to have at least 33% deet.
Hey Tim! I'm sorry your sister got lyme disease. Dang that would be the absolute worst. I hope she'll be able to recover. I'm personally not a fan of deet since it can deteriorate your gear, but everyone likes different stuff. For me the permethrin and picaridin combo is solid. But some people do still prefer to use deet, so definitely more power to you! Those ticks are nasty little buggers, so whatever you have to do to keep them off of you is worth it!
Hey Tim! Ya, permethrin works incredibly well! I have not noticed a smell to the picaridin lotion in the times I've put it on. Also, It isn't as greasy as you might expect something called 'lotion' to be. I don't use mosturizing lotion (or even sunblock) often because I just don't like how greasy it feels. But the picaridin lotion doesn't feel greasy, which I like!
Though out my hunting/fishing and whatever outdoor activities ticks and moskito alwasys a nuissance. Use Roach/Bug spray on clothing. Hang out and spray. Leave for a while and on. Don't forget socks. They crawl under your clothing. Deet on neck, hands, ears
That's my technique except I use spray picaridin. I've found permethrin concentrate also at tractor supply and Amazon. Permethrin is a man made version of the chemical oils from some popular flower. I had not thought about doing my chair and the technique of spraying the tent from the inside. I'll do that after this rain and before my trip this weekend.
I wasn't aware that Permethrin was a synthetic version of oils from a flower. I'll have to look into that more! Awesome you're heading out this weekend! Hope the weather treats you right and it's an awesome trip!
@@DoseofDirtyep, Chrysanthemums. It's the synthetic version of the burning incense that the Japanese have been using as bug repellent for a couple of hundred years. Also both the synthetic and natural oil (pyrethrum) are generally marked as low mammalian toxicity. They are highly toxic to insects and fish. So you probably want to do applications away from anywhere you want plants/vegetables thriving (honeybees and pollinators) and any place where it may get into a fish pond or river.
My question revolves around the safety of using Permethrin in this way. I spoke with my vet and he was not for it as he said he has no idea whether the dilution ration (19:1) was considered safe. Have you any information on this? Thanks
Hey Jack! All I know is that I use the same dilution ratio as the pre-diluted bottles you can buy. If you're talking about using it on your dog or other animal (I know some people do that) I don't have any info on that. I honestly haven't tried it because I'm not sure I'm comfortable putting it on my huskies. So far their flea and tick meds, as well as wondercide works well for them (and honestly it's just too dang hot for them in the summer during peak tick season anyway). But for clothing and gear, my understanding is that this is the standard ratio. Would be interested if your vet has more to say about it though, because I definitely don't know everything about it!
Great video. Your link for Martin no longer works. I've looked at matins and I cannot chose which to purchase. They all stay cattle, swine, etc or dog... What exactly does you contain say on the front?
Some of the warnings I've seen on permethrin makes me wonder about a couple things. One, do you have to worry about touching treated clothing and then eating without washing your hands? And do you have to worry about this getting in water sources? So, if I treat my shoes, do I have to worry about walking through a river?
Dose of Dirt - great video, but - errr... not so fast! Permethrin is a nerve poison (interferes with the signals between nerve joins) and mammals (read humans) are affected (poisoned) in just the same way as insects and ticks. So it's one level of safety to treat your back pack or tent (outer) that is not skin contact, and another to treat clothes that you wear directly next to your skin. Personally I'd suggest it's unwise to handle any insecticide concentrate without heavy duty (chemical resistent) gloves, apron, masks, and any treatment of gear - I'd be standing up wind so any spray droplets drifts away from your body. For next to skin clothing I'd suggest a repellent application rather than a insecticide - look up recipes of essential oils and freshen up the repellent with a quick spray before hitting the trail (or keep wrist / ankle / head sweat bands in a baggy for evening wear to keep the mosquitoes and no-see-ums at bay). Finally - good to know - pesticide workers / ag spray operators have a history of being at more risk of alzheimer / Parkinson's disease in old (and not so old) age - that should tell you something important about getting up close and personal to nerve poisons...
I wonder where you live to have that many ticks on you by just going in your backyard. I've lived in Québec, Canada all my life in the countryside, spending my childhood rolling in tall grass and never saw a single tick. As an adult I still go oustide foraging every summer, almost every day, and I saw my first tick like 2 months ago. I'm looking at this video as I am planning a cyclo-camping trip accross the east coast this coming month and I wonder how much of a treat ticks are in the US compared to Québec.
Yeah I just bought some of the 37 percent as well and I don't know how to mix it down to the 5% for or is it 0.5% for the closing spray I was hoping someone in the comments knew.
But how does it work? Does it get on the tick's feet and belly, somehow penetrate into the insect? How fast does it kill a tick after it has got some of the chemical on it?
Hi Frank. I haven't looked into the specifics of how it works, but it seems to make the ticks start to act 'woozy' after just a few minutes. I've been using both permethrin and picaridin in Virginia all summer and haven't gotten a single tick, so the combo definitely works for me!
what does Permethrin smell like??? I see a lot of Amazon review complaints about ODOR even though the product claims to be UNscented. I've been around a few campers who smelled like cat urine or prilled fertilizer ammonia & hopefully it was not Permethin .
Excellent question. I have not noticed an odor. However, if I remember right there is some that is petroleum based that is meant for use on livestock. That stuff definitely has an odor to it. The stuff I used doesn't seem to have an odor, at least not to me.
Just an FYI. There is a product called a tick key for around $5-10. It is SO much easier to use than tweezers. We live in a woody area known for its high tick population, and the tick key has made tick removal a breeze. (It also makes it easier to remove the entire tick without the concern of leaving the head embedded in the skin.) My husband and I each have one on our key chain, so it is always with us.
I'm seam sealing,water proofing,bug proofing my tent and was wondering if I needed to wait in between each one? Should I seam seal, let that cure. Waterproof, let that cure. Bug proof. Or does it not matter? My worry is one of them causing the other not to work. For example say I seam sealed and than did the water proof spray would the spray cause the seam seal not to cure? Or say I water proof my tent and than right after spray it down with permethrin will the permethrin caused the water proof spray not to cure?
If you find a ticket on you here is a way to remove it with its pinchers. Carry cigarets and matches or lighter. Hold a lighted cigarette near the ticket and it will back out with its pinchers intact! Lived in Nova Scotia the tic capital of the world . I have done it many times. It works!
Great video. Why does noone use leggings aka gators, anymore? Thats what its for. Does smoke repel them? That would be a good video. I cringe at all those chemicals. Safe now, liver failure later. Lol. What is the safety of those chemicals?
Permethrin is EXTREMELY poisonous to cats. if you have cats i would suggest you outright avoid the stuff. and at very very least keep the cats far far away from the clothes even when it's dried. If you have cats and still want something extremely affective, try sulfur powder in an old sock. and if your detergent doesn't remove the sulfur scent you can add baking soda or soak the clothes in baking soda water overnight before washing. I've had pretty bad luck removing the sulfur smell, so I've segregated my outdoor clothing from casual clothes.
Hey Shawn! It's strange how hard it can be to get different products when we're on the same continent. I know I've encountered the opposite problem where I see someone in Canada recommend something and then I can't get it in the states! Can't our countries just get along?? 😆
@@DoseofDirt yeah and sometimes it's really stupid what you can and can't get, for instance Gatorade zero is only available in the bottle not the powder but the regular crap that's full of sugar, no problem.
Great info thanks just got some 38.6% permethrin 😵 working on my dilution now. and where did you find the wrangler pants I use to get mine at Walmart love them but haven't been able to find them in a couple years
Also got mine from walmart! I see them every once and a while but they are often out of stock. sometimes you can get them directly from the Wrangler website, but sometimes they are out of stock as well. Frustrating, because the pants are amazing AND affordable!
I thought the Sawyer instructions said to saturate the clothing surface but looks like you are giving it a quick spray. What's the recommended amount to apply? Light spray? Heavy?
I'm not sure what Sawyer recommends. I can tell you that for me, the spray has always been enough. I still haven't ever gotten a tick when using this combo as shown in this video.
I'm a magnet for mosquitos and always have been. Started using picaridin lotion 2 years ago and a few pea sized bits of lotion in spots down my arms and a dab to the neck and temples has kept me bite free every time. Went out in the yard for a bit one day without it and got bit three times in like 15 mins. I swear by the stuff now.
I am the same way! I just avoided backpacking all together during certain times of year because the mosquitos ALWAYS found me. Like you said, this lotion is awesome! Been backpacking, hiking, adventure racing, and trail running on the east coast for years now and still not a single tick.
Ooh! I like the bandana idea for the pup! I was planning to spray their backpacks (which we will haven't used...) but the bandana would make a big difference since it is in front of their shoulders. Did you worry about ticks much in CO? I've definitely become more aware of them since spending more time on the East Coast!
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Cheers mate! Got myself some picaridin! Had a tick in my ballsack once, never again i say!
as an infantry soldier in the army, we spend a lotttt of time out in the bush, these products are a game changer
Excellent.
I have another important tip: Freeze ticks with liquid nitrogen from an over-the-counter wart removal kit BEFORE extracting the tick.
Why? Because using tweezers and such will squeeze the innards of the tick into your bloodstream, thus infecting you if the ticks carries diseases.
Freezing the tick will make the tick drop dead while freezing the innards. If it doesn't drop, you are still safe to remove it with tweezers. Use disinfected narrow tweezers to get a deep down into the bite as possible to remove as much of the tick as is possible.
Finish by cleaning the bitten area with an alcohol wipe.
Failing that, know that ticks carry many disabling diseases, not just Lyme disease. You might clear a Lyme disease screening and still have one or more of the other serious diseases that ticks carry that will ruin your life if untreated.
It was recently discovered at URI that ticks need to be reinfected with Lyme disease each year after winter in order to carry Lyme disease, so you are unlikely to contract Lyme disease in the early spring or dead of winter. I don't know about those other diseases.
Amazing tick fact: Ticks can live nine years without feeding.
Nine years?! Bloody buggers...
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I had heard that doesn't really work.
The freezing worked instantly.
I have got to try this liquid nitrogen thing. Are you saying they often just drop out of your skin? That would be amazing.
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Yes. I learned it from a friend who lives near URI in our state. He knew I was a backpacker. He is even closer to ground zero - Lyme, CT - than I am. He's about 30 mi away. I'm about 70 mi away. There are probably more people infected in Rhode Island and Connecticut than most of the country combined. And don't kid yourself. All of us have seen people go through excruciating hardship and eventual death that drags on for decades.
Lucky for me, I have only had to try it once. It worked just like he said. He's done it over and over again 'cuz he walks his dog and the dog picks up ticks.
According to doctors around here, if you get that tick out of you within 48 hours you're probably safe from getting infected by Lyme disease. I don't know about that. I wouldn't take that risk. I'd want to get that tick out on the first day. And if I don't. I'm still going to remove it with this method, and that I'm going to go to the doctor and get the antibiotics. And I'll hope that it'll catch any other diseases.
As far as the seasonality of Lyme disease with ticks, I know that holds in cold climate winters. I don't know if that's going to work in a place like Southern California.
The PhD at URI who came up with this idea is also the same PhD who discovered the seasonality of lime infection in ticks. It is my understanding he is the world's foremost tick disease expert. I couldn't find out his name or find a UA-cam channel title. But any Phd video from Rhode Island or Connecticut about tick diseases and avoiding them is going to be very best in the world. It might be part of Tick Encounter.
@@chriseidam7319 Thanks so much for sharing all this info!
I have hiked and worked in Tick country all my life of 70+ years. For much of that time I have used Irish Spring soap around all my clothes openings and the only times I have had a tick bite(twice) is when I didn't use Irish Spring soap because of an impromptu excursions into the brush. I have been in situations going through brush when we were knocking them off our clothes and never got a bite.
I always carry Irish Spring in the Glove box of my rigs just in case, but usually prepare for ticks at home by making suds in my hand and applying it around my ankles, waist, neck, sleeve openings in a about a 6" band above and below the openings. If you have a button up shirt and no T-shirt under, apply the suds along the length of the shirt opening.
Velcro straps at the ankle and shirt sleeve openings could also be employed but I have never used that application but only mention it for consideration.
Wow! This is one I haven’t heard of before, but I love it. Irish Spring for the win!
So you can’t just rub the bar in you? You have to make soapy bubbles and spread around the areas?
Body chemistry has a huge role in how ticks perceive you as a host. I'm 50, have rolled in the dirt in the Army, live in the woods, and work in the bush. I have had one embedded tick my entire life. Adding garlic and onions to your diet will help beyond belief. There's a whole chemistry lesson with sulphur containing organic compounds (mercaptans) that you sweat out that ticks and chiggers find undesirable. An old Army Ranger trick is to eat match heads before going into the bush. I've told many northwoods bear hunters this and they are now believers. Plus, you're not putting strange chemicals on your body
Right, just eating the chemicals instead.
Tick spoons are frequently given away at vets. They are light weight and good to have on your Keychain. You wiggle the notch in the spoon on the mouth of the tick to get it to release. This results in less ripped of tick heads still left attached. That said tweezers can remove splinters etc so it's a choice you have to make. The diseases from ticks come from their gut and they can vomit when being ripped off so take your time and be gentle to avoid unnecessary exposure to the ticks gut. Ex exterminator.
Good info as always.
I haven't tried the tick spoon or tornado or other tools. Like you said, tweezers can be multi-functional, but those other tools are also really small and light!
Everything about ticks is nasty. Of course they would get you even in death by vomiting their nastiness back into your blood stream.
I'm sure you've seen some crazy stuff as an ex exterminator!
Thanks for watching and even more for sharing your thoughts!
I use wild bergamot, which grows all around me, also called bee balm, in witch hazel…add some catmint, basil and lemon balm to repel Missouri ticks. It works for me. I don’t use essential oils because they’re a volatile substance and not really a healthy alternative for human skin. I use essential oils on countertops, etc., but not on skin. ❤ We bought chemicals when we first moved here but quickly learned that since I actually LIVE in the woods, I needed an all-natural prevention. ❤ Great video!!!
I use Picaridin, it's ace for mosquitoes (we have ticks, but they are less of an issue here unless in deer areas, and even then as you say - avoid the long grass, wear long trousers...I have gotten one of my stomach once though, when I sat painting on a hillock and it must have crawled in so yes waist treatment or tucking is a must...I used chairs from then on). I found that horse places like Hedgewitch have the big bottles for spraying horses, but it's fine for humans -says you can treat yourself and the horse, and then refill little spray bottles from that.
Permethrin I am wary of, given the toxicity and since my eczema makes me very sensitive, even a little to Picaridin but nothing like the horrible itch of DEET. Coated myself in the stuff in my visits to Africa and that and a little sunburn is a horribly itchy feeling for me. The stuff feels greasy and not good; whereas Picaridin feels mostly OK.
Before a camping trip, I spray my clothing and gear. I turn my clothes inside out, lay them down on the deck, and spray. And yes, underwear too. The groin is a favorite target area of ticks. When it dries, it doesn’t affect are skin, whether that bare skin is an elbow or something more personal.
I also spray my sleeping bag inside, and tent screens, inside corners and ceiling. Permethrin kills bugs and spiders to, not just ticks.
Courtesy of Half Vast Flying
Yes, Permethrin is awesome for ticks and other bugs! Glad I"m not the only one that also spays some of my gear! I'm still never gotten a tick with this Permethrin / Picaridin combo!
The most Informative and well to understand video I have ever come across. You are a good man and thank you for including the links. I'm now subbed and will continue to support your channel and hiking, camping information. Thank you Dose of Dirt
Look into neem, peppermint and cedarwood oil if you're into the more natural route.
Thanks, Chris! Good to have those options. I've been thinking about how I might be able to do a test to compare them. I know for some, going more natural is super important, so appreciate you leaving the comment!
Thanks for watching!
Natural route? No thanks! I HATE these pests. I want the most powerful and destructive options I have at my disposal to eradicate them. I want them dead, not repelled.
Can you share what the name of the product you use that contains these? I would love to try them. We live in Massachusetts, and the ticks are out of control!
@@lisacyr8636 Just buy the oils & mix them yourself, and cut it with olive oil.
Yes because this is loaded with chemicals 🤦
I've used Permethrin for years. But, Deet had always been my go-to for spot applications. (Frankly, I viewed Lyme disease as worse than possible Deet side effects.) However, after watching this I looked more into Picaridin and I will be giving it a try this year now. Thanks for the dope video!
Hey Yahu! I can't disagree with you that the side effects of Deet are worth the risk to keep ticks away! I also used Deet for a long time until I found Picaridin last year. So far I haven't had a tick this year! 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻
And that honestly impresses me because I find them on my feet or hands just after going in the backyard (if I haven't used Picardin), so they are definitely out there!
@@DoseofDirt Seriously, this is awesome and valuable information. I thank you once again for the knowledge. I was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis well over a decade ago and had basically abandoned the outdoors for years. My wife (wedded last year) is very interested in the outdoors, however. So, I've been trying hard just to get back out there to enjoy it with her. I pretty much just jumped back into Deet because it was all I knew. But, man, that stuff is even more terrible than I remember as a teenager. Aside from the health issues we all know about by now, it also "melts" many types of "plastic". It even left an "overspray" on the top of my wife's leather boots that I now have to try to flake and wash off before I can leather treat them. It's almost as if you need to treat your skin with it standing naked in a hermetically sealed room to not have it get onto and ruin something! I don't know if Picaradin is similar to Deet in that aspect. But, if not, I may just have to electronically hug you from the both of us! LOL
@@yahusrevus Congrats on the recent wedding! That is fantastic!!
Rheumatoid Arthritis! Dang, that is tough. Definitely best of luck getting back to enjoying the outdoors. I'm sure sometimes that is just painful and/or you just don't have it in you. I can't even imagine.
Praying and hoping you have more good days and can enjoy the beauty of nature.
the thought of a hermetically sealed deet application chamber has me rolling on the floor. hilarious!
Picaridin is definitely not like that. I sometimes get it on my clothing when I'm applying but never stress about it because it doesn't eat away at stuff like Deet does. I've got an old can of deet spray sitting in my mudroom that will never get used now. No need with the Picaridin!
I'll take the the e-hug! 😆
Hope you and your wife are able to get out and enjoy some wilderness this weekend!
@@DoseofDirt Dude! You're supposed to be off doing cool UA-camr things, not replying to the plebs. LOL
Thank you, once again, and especially for the prayers. They are both needed and coveted. We will pick up some Picaradin TODAY. I'm so stoked to hear it's not as nasty as Deet. My wife will be even more so. Blessings, my friend. ~hug~
I just watched a video by one of the world's foremost tick expert, from URI.
He doesn't recommend DEET, saying it doesn't work well against ticks, especially after it has dried. It is designed as a "confusent" against mosquitos. It was not designed for ticks.
Thanks for the tips, I will use them on my next motorcycle tent camping trip.
Recently on a camping trip i couldn't find my soap, but I had menthol shaving cream. Yup I washed in it. Not 1 mosquito bite 👏👏 I found my soap, aha I ended up with several bites including a spider bite. Sooooo Cheap menthol shaving cream is great for mosquitoes 😅
I honestly thought I was listening to David Schwimmer talk about tick protection. That said, love your channel!!!! Great stuff!
Mate, this was so helpful!! I was just about to buy a bottle of sawyers because every time I work in my yard I get ticks. I'm so glad I saw your video first because I bought the martin's instead for the same price. This is great! Thank you so much👍👍
I absolutely love that stuff!! The best thing I've ever bought at Walmart on clearance just because... literally not one spider, mosquito, fly, or any other insect in or around my tent!!
Seriously! It’s a game changer! It’s crazy to me how often those yellow sawyer spray bottles are on clearance at Walmart!
I've been using permethrin lotion, the one day I didn't use it I got a tick on my inner thigh , I was however hiking through some overgrown brush, and didn't have my pants tucked in my socks, the stuff works great , thanks for your videos, really informative.
Thanks, Daniel! Ya, it's amazing what a difference it makes! When I use both of these things I hardly give ticks a thought while I'm hiking (still do the check at camp just to be safe, though)!
Thanks so much for you comment! Truly appreciated!
I always take Pruning shears and trim growth over the trail. It helps cut down on ticks for the next hikers.
P. S. I don’t hike, I saunter😂ed
Thanks for helping take care of all of us! Keeping that overgrowth down makes such a big difference! Maybe I'll start taking shears on some of my trips as well!
This is a handy video! Thanks. I bloody hate ticks, a little freaked out by them but only just realised (naively) that a tick bite does not always = Lymes disease…
Hey James! Ya, ticks freak me out as well, which is why I take the prevention so seriously. This combo has been excellent for me!
As I was preparing this video, I found myself wondering whether they were a big deal in the UK or not, but sounds like they are an issue there as well!
Even though not every tick = Lyme disease, I don't like taking the risk!
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Especially important in NOVA!
You are definitely right about that! We get them in the backyard!
Excellent. Most comprehensive, accurate and helpful presentation.
I take a lint roller in my pack when I go foraging as well as the mentioned precautions easily roll off baby seed tick parties
Ooh, this is a genius tip!
If using the permethrin spray (great stuff) don't forget to also spray the INSIDE of clothing at entry points, shirt cuffs, end of trousers, inside belt line etc.
Two great products! I have the picaridin in aerosol spray, pump spray, and lotion. I like to use the aerosol to quickly treat something that I should have treated with permethrin. The pump spray and lotion I apply like you do.
I'll have to try the spray. I can see that being pretty simple and potentially using a bit less. the lotion feels like I use a lot!
@@DoseofDirt The spray is also feels better. Less greasy. I got the lotion because I grabbed a couple bottles that was on clearance.
@@Doc_Watson I'm surprised how often I see both permethrin and picaridin on clearance! I think I've picked up those yellow sawyer bottles for $5 or less randomly on clearance at Walmart. Just have to be walking past the right section at the right time, I guess!
Thanks.
No worries! Hope we can all avoid these nasty things this summer!
GO ILLINI!
New here. Thank you for your excellent thorough info & humor! Also excellent handwriting.. yup noticed when labelimg bottle. 😊
haha! Trying to keep it light around here! 😆 Thanks so much for watching!
Moved from WA state to GA, appreciate this video, and tips for dogs?
In the Army, we were issued permethrin kits. But ours had us put our clothes in a heavy bag and soak them with a copious amount of the mix for 10 minutes. Then we took the clothes out and hung them till dry. I’m wondering if dong something similar with the commercial sprays would result in a better application to clothes (especially if using the bulk chemical you mix yourself since it’s very cost effective).
The Martin permethrin is not formulated for clothing and its durability is not certain. A product named Durethrin ( or similar) is specifically formulated for clothing and has the durability you mentioned. I have purchased and used both products.
as a land surveyor we were given Deet high percentage but many of us could not take the side effects of daily use. I for one switched to avon bug guard which was water and sweat proof as well as sun protection. I then looked into making my own spray using 10:1 lemon eucalyptus oil and witch hazel which I noticed worked on the bugs as well. This was my Florida regiment.... not to say sometimes I preferred military hat netting gloves and everything buttoned up . Can't work like that too long in hot weather in a swamp with waders and such. We would often use a lighter on each other and burn the suckers off every night and throw our mud gear out on the hotel balcony as well.
"10:1 lemon eucalyptus oil and witch hazel which I noticed worked on the bugs as well"...Just mix and spray on exposed skin areas, to deter ticks? And mosquitoes?
Great video. I don't advise picardin on your face though especially not above your nose and mouth where it can make it's way there.
I wouldn't spray the permeferin in your tent.
I use a tick tornado with great results it's also extremely light.
Thanks for adding your comments! Ya, i try to avoid getting permethrin in the tent (that's why I spray from the inside to the outside for the mesh), but some prefer not to treat the tent at all. I sometimes go back and forth on this, but figure it isn't much hassle and reduces the risk of ticks further.
I have heard mixed things about the tornado. Some love it and others say the twisting motion can be bad. As with other tools, it's probably about using it correctly. They are so light, it can't hurt to throw one in the pack along with the tweezers!
Thanks for watching and for adding your thoughts! Truly appreciated!
I have never heard of Picaridin lotion. Thank You for the tip. I will check it out
Thanks for the info ,happy hiking /camping ✌🏻
Does using the permethrin mess with the water protection that you put on the tent?
Great sharing and very informative.
Thank you! I've glad you found it helpful! Thanks for watching!
My Sister has lyme from tick bite. It is nasty, she still has fatigue and sickness from it. Her Doctor told her to make sure to use deet, that it is the only true way to stop ticks. Said to have at least 33% deet.
Hey Tim! I'm sorry your sister got lyme disease. Dang that would be the absolute worst. I hope she'll be able to recover.
I'm personally not a fan of deet since it can deteriorate your gear, but everyone likes different stuff. For me the permethrin and picaridin combo is solid. But some people do still prefer to use deet, so definitely more power to you! Those ticks are nasty little buggers, so whatever you have to do to keep them off of you is worth it!
DEET stops repelling ticks once it's dry. It still repels mosquitoes, but not ticks. Picaridin continues to be effective after it dries.
Someone made an experiment and put ticks in deer directly, they were swimming lol so deer isnt effective at all on ticks, picaridin is.
All great advice - I've been happy with permethrin over the years. Does picaridin have a scent like deet?
Hey Tim! Ya, permethrin works incredibly well! I have not noticed a smell to the picaridin lotion in the times I've put it on. Also, It isn't as greasy as you might expect something called 'lotion' to be. I don't use mosturizing lotion (or even sunblock) often because I just don't like how greasy it feels. But the picaridin lotion doesn't feel greasy, which I like!
Though out my hunting/fishing and whatever outdoor activities ticks and moskito alwasys a nuissance. Use Roach/Bug spray on clothing. Hang out and spray. Leave for a while and on. Don't forget socks. They crawl under your clothing. Deet on neck, hands, ears
Great advice and information! Thanks
That's my technique except I use spray picaridin. I've found permethrin concentrate also at tractor supply and Amazon. Permethrin is a man made version of the chemical oils from some popular flower. I had not thought about doing my chair and the technique of spraying the tent from the inside. I'll do that after this rain and before my trip this weekend.
I wasn't aware that Permethrin was a synthetic version of oils from a flower. I'll have to look into that more!
Awesome you're heading out this weekend! Hope the weather treats you right and it's an awesome trip!
@@DoseofDirt in my opinion there is no such thing as bad weather for backpacking. Worse case it becomes a type 2 adventure.
@@garrycollins3415 You're absolutely right! I've been in blizzards and torrential downpours, but always enjoyed the adventure!
@@DoseofDirtyep, Chrysanthemums. It's the synthetic version of the burning incense that the Japanese have been using as bug repellent for a couple of hundred years.
Also both the synthetic and natural oil (pyrethrum) are generally marked as low mammalian toxicity. They are highly toxic to insects and fish. So you probably want to do applications away from anywhere you want plants/vegetables thriving (honeybees and pollinators) and any place where it may get into a fish pond or river.
My question revolves around the safety of using Permethrin in this way. I spoke with my vet and he was not for it as he said he has no idea whether the dilution ration (19:1) was considered safe. Have you any information on this? Thanks
Hey Jack! All I know is that I use the same dilution ratio as the pre-diluted bottles you can buy. If you're talking about using it on your dog or other animal (I know some people do that) I don't have any info on that. I honestly haven't tried it because I'm not sure I'm comfortable putting it on my huskies. So far their flea and tick meds, as well as wondercide works well for them (and honestly it's just too dang hot for them in the summer during peak tick season anyway).
But for clothing and gear, my understanding is that this is the standard ratio.
Would be interested if your vet has more to say about it though, because I definitely don't know everything about it!
why tweezers instead of the tick key? the heads tend to get ripped off and left in the skin with tweezers in my experience.
Do the old school tricks for removal like using a hot match head or salt not really work?
Great video.
Your link for Martin no longer works. I've looked at matins and I cannot chose which to purchase. They all stay cattle, swine, etc or dog... What exactly does you contain say on the front?
Some of the warnings I've seen on permethrin makes me wonder about a couple things. One, do you have to worry about touching treated clothing and then eating without washing your hands? And do you have to worry about this getting in water sources? So, if I treat my shoes, do I have to worry about walking through a river?
Dose of Dirt - great video, but - errr... not so fast!
Permethrin is a nerve poison (interferes with the signals between nerve joins) and mammals (read humans) are affected (poisoned) in just the same way as insects and ticks. So it's one level of safety to treat your back pack or tent (outer) that is not skin contact, and another to treat clothes that you wear directly next to your skin.
Personally I'd suggest it's unwise to handle any insecticide concentrate without heavy duty (chemical resistent) gloves, apron, masks, and any treatment of gear - I'd be standing up wind so any spray droplets drifts away from your body. For next to skin clothing I'd suggest a repellent application rather than a insecticide - look up recipes of essential oils and freshen up the repellent with a quick spray before hitting the trail (or keep wrist / ankle / head sweat bands in a baggy for evening wear to keep the mosquitoes and no-see-ums at bay). Finally - good to know - pesticide workers / ag spray operators have a history of being at more risk of alzheimer / Parkinson's disease in old (and not so old) age - that should tell you something important about getting up close and personal to nerve poisons...
Thanks, Steven! good tips!
I wonder where you live to have that many ticks on you by just going in your backyard.
I've lived in Québec, Canada all my life in the countryside, spending my childhood rolling in tall grass and never saw a single tick. As an adult I still go oustide foraging every summer, almost every day, and I saw my first tick like 2 months ago.
I'm looking at this video as I am planning a cyclo-camping trip accross the east coast this coming month and I wonder how much of a treat ticks are in the US compared to Québec.
Sawyer picaridin says to wash off after being out. But what if you are dry camping several months?
Is this good for dogs also ?
Good show !! Would u have the mix of permethrin 37 % for the clothing spray tx.
Yeah I just bought some of the 37 percent as well and I don't know how to mix it down to the 5% for or is it 0.5% for the closing spray I was hoping someone in the comments knew.
Your voice sounds like Ross from Friends
I really like your presentation and the information, but at this point, this channel hasn't posted a video in over 4 months.... is it still active?
But how does it work? Does it get on the tick's feet and belly, somehow penetrate into the insect? How fast does it kill a tick after it has got some of the chemical on it?
Hi Frank. I haven't looked into the specifics of how it works, but it seems to make the ticks start to act 'woozy' after just a few minutes. I've been using both permethrin and picaridin in Virginia all summer and haven't gotten a single tick, so the combo definitely works for me!
@@DoseofDirt ok👍
what does Permethrin smell like??? I see a lot of Amazon review complaints about ODOR even though the product claims to be UNscented. I've been around a few campers who smelled like cat urine or prilled fertilizer ammonia & hopefully it was not Permethin .
Excellent question. I have not noticed an odor. However, if I remember right there is some that is petroleum based that is meant for use on livestock. That stuff definitely has an odor to it. The stuff I used doesn't seem to have an odor, at least not to me.
Just an FYI. There is a product called a tick key for around $5-10. It is SO much easier to use than tweezers. We live in a woody area known for its high tick population, and the tick key has made tick removal a breeze. (It also makes it easier to remove the entire tick without the concern of leaving the head embedded in the skin.) My husband and I each have one on our key chain, so it is always with us.
I'm seam sealing,water proofing,bug proofing my tent and was wondering if I needed to wait in between each one? Should I seam seal, let that cure. Waterproof, let that cure. Bug proof. Or does it not matter? My worry is one of them causing the other not to work. For example say I seam sealed and than did the water proof spray would the spray cause the seam seal not to cure? Or say I water proof my tent and than right after spray it down with permethrin will the permethrin caused the water proof spray not to cure?
I had this same question. I wish someone would answer this.
Anybody know what happened to this guy? He stopped posting months ago and he was one of my favs. Just hoping nothing bad happened to him.
If you find a ticket on you here is a way to remove it with its pinchers. Carry cigarets and matches or lighter. Hold a lighted cigarette near the ticket and it will back out with its pinchers intact! Lived in Nova Scotia the tic capital of the world . I have done it many times. It works!
And people say smoking is all bad! haha! I'm interested to try this!
Absolutely nothing repels the ticks in the Ozarks.
Please research permethrin before using it.
Next time use a pump sprayer haha!
Kills me that permethrin isn't legal in canada
Oh dang! I didn't know that! I'm amazing at how well it does protecting me from ticks in all kinds of tall grass and thick underbrush!
Great video. Why does noone use leggings aka gators, anymore? Thats what its for. Does smoke repel them? That would be a good video. I cringe at all those chemicals. Safe now, liver failure later. Lol. What is the safety of those chemicals?
Permethrin is EXTREMELY poisonous to cats. if you have cats i would suggest you outright avoid the stuff. and at very very least keep the cats far far away from the clothes even when it's dried.
If you have cats and still want something extremely affective, try sulfur powder in an old sock. and if your detergent doesn't remove the sulfur scent you can add baking soda or soak the clothes in baking soda water overnight before washing. I've had pretty bad luck removing the sulfur smell, so I've segregated my outdoor clothing from casual clothes.
And for those times when you have to go nuclear... Tick Twister gets it done
Getting permethrin in Canada is not easy, you have to be creative in your purchasing
I have a tick key for getting rid of the little bastards
Hey Shawn! It's strange how hard it can be to get different products when we're on the same continent. I know I've encountered the opposite problem where I see someone in Canada recommend something and then I can't get it in the states! Can't our countries just get along?? 😆
@@DoseofDirt yeah and sometimes it's really stupid what you can and can't get, for instance Gatorade zero is only available in the bottle not the powder but the regular crap that's full of sugar, no problem.
@@shawnr6117 So many things like that that just make you scratch you head!
Bonus tip #6, stay out of the woods 😂
Treating the inside of your hat is in fact marinating in it! 🙄
T00000 TOXIC!!!
Great info thanks just got some 38.6% permethrin 😵 working on my dilution now. and where did you find the wrangler pants I use to get mine at Walmart love them but haven't been able to find them in a couple years
Also got mine from walmart! I see them every once and a while but they are often out of stock. sometimes you can get them directly from the Wrangler website, but sometimes they are out of stock as well. Frustrating, because the pants are amazing AND affordable!
@DoseofDirt ok thank you, and yes they are, just don't make the mistake and try welding with them on uhhhggg.
Interesting video 🌿
Thank you for sharing 😊👍🏻
I will support you🔔
Thank you for your continued support🌷
Thank you!
I just seen the waterproofing video on the tents how do you go about waterproofing and tick prevention?
I thought the Sawyer instructions said to saturate the clothing surface but looks like you are giving it a quick spray. What's the recommended amount to apply? Light spray? Heavy?
I'm not sure what Sawyer recommends. I can tell you that for me, the spray has always been enough. I still haven't ever gotten a tick when using this combo as shown in this video.
I'm a magnet for mosquitos and always have been. Started using picaridin lotion 2 years ago and a few pea sized bits of lotion in spots down my arms and a dab to the neck and temples has kept me bite free every time. Went out in the yard for a bit one day without it and got bit three times in like 15 mins. I swear by the stuff now.
I am the same way! I just avoided backpacking all together during certain times of year because the mosquitos ALWAYS found me. Like you said, this lotion is awesome! Been backpacking, hiking, adventure racing, and trail running on the east coast for years now and still not a single tick.
Techno music repels, seriously look up!
I was thinking of just wearing flea and tick collars on my ankles.. It ain't crazy if it works
Im going to do this, and use the mint oil, or what ever works, im not leaving the woods because of bugs
Some great tips! For Remy, I spray a bandana w/ permethrin and also his pack to help.
Ooh! I like the bandana idea for the pup! I was planning to spray their backpacks (which we will haven't used...) but the bandana would make a big difference since it is in front of their shoulders.
Did you worry about ticks much in CO? I've definitely become more aware of them since spending more time on the East Coast!
@@DoseofDirt not as much in CO when I was 9500 ft or above. In lower elevation though in grassy areas.
@@GIRLplusDOGAdventures I don't remember ever seeing one in Utah! But now see them just after going in the backyard here in VA! 🙄🙄🙄
Can you use this on dogs?