Cheapest Mag Loop Antenna on Banggood. But will it transmit ?

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  • @dieselbushcraft1299
    @dieselbushcraft1299 Рік тому +3

    Interesting experiment and you hit the nail on the head “fun” and “interesting”, that’s the essence of the hobby.

  • @Greg-et2dp
    @Greg-et2dp Рік тому +2

    Frid in the shed I learn lot from you about bying cb radios with AM FM ssb my friend

  • @GordonHudson
    @GordonHudson Рік тому +5

    If you look at the wonder wand loop antenna it's just an L match with a loop of wire and it works. It would be interesting to compare your loop with an ATU and a loop of wire.

  • @Greg-et2dp
    @Greg-et2dp Рік тому +1

    Frid in the shed your mag loop antenna is awesome my friend

  • @Greg-et2dp
    @Greg-et2dp Рік тому +3

    Frid in the shed your utube videos are awesome my friend 🎄

  • @RingwayManchester
    @RingwayManchester Рік тому +2

    Good vidoe as always Fred!

  • @Davidm-M0TPT
    @Davidm-M0TPT Рік тому +3

    I worked you on a mag loop Fred many times :) it was a baby loop at 3.4m :)

  • @RingwayManchester
    @RingwayManchester Рік тому +9

    Fred anyone who has an issue with you using HF gear on 11 just needs to go away mate 👍🏻

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  Рік тому +2

      Hi Lewis. Cheers bud. Its fair play really as guilty as charged.

  • @Tobinindustrial
    @Tobinindustrial Рік тому +4

    You had a little bit of success with that loop antenna, Fred. It has its uses for sure. You cannot beat that price. Nothing wagered, nothing gained. The receive is probably the best feature of ths setup

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  Рік тому +1

      Hi Andy. Yes your correct. Without a smaller coupler loop this one is quite inefficient. However it could be a great receiving antenna.

  • @thestonerguy5276
    @thestonerguy5276 Рік тому +1

    Hi Fred. I'm only familiar with magnetic loop antennas that have the large loop, one capacitor, and a smaller coupling loop. The size and shape of the coupling loop, along with the distance from the big loop make a world of difference in how the antenna performs. The tiny capacitors that I saw when you opened the box up briefly are the kind you'd find in a small radio receiver and as you suspected, 20 watts would be tough to do without zapping out the capacitors and possible damaging your radio. I once bought a loop antenna from MFJ which operated the same way yours does (2 capacitors and just some wire to form a loop) and never got any satisfying results from it. The capacitors were much larger, thus allowing more input power, but if I couldn't hear much, I'm not sure what good that did. I went for the conventional magnetic loop and have had wonderful results. Because a lot of the noise the usual antenna picks up is man-made electrical noise, it's not picked up by the mag loop due to the fact it's only using the magnetic waves. It's also directional and the one you were using should be directional as well. Perhaps you didn't have the loop pointed towards the station that was listening for you. Going back to the mag loop I'm using, it's currently indoors and I typically run 5-15 watts (SSB) to it, with very good results. Locally, I get between 5-10 miles (depending on how noisy the band conditions are) and usually when I ask them for a signal report, I get the same S-unit from them as I received from their station). I work skip from the antenna indoors as well, which is mounted on a photo tripod and about 1 meter from the floor with a 1.5:1 SWR reading. At some point I'll put a vertical antenna outside the house, but may use the mag loop as a receive antenna due to its ability to achieve a lower noise floor. I'm actually doing something like that now. I bought one of those MLA-30 loop antennas off Amazon when it was on sale last year for about $30. There's no tuning involved, just a small box that that requires 5v to power an amplifier inside. It saves a LOT of time (and capacitor knob tuning) when trying to figure out whether a band is active or not. I won't use the word "enjoyed", but I certainly felt your misery, as it was much like what I experienced from the MFJ unit. But now I'll use that word, and say that I always "enjoy" your videos... 👍

  • @ronleblanc9832
    @ronleblanc9832 Рік тому +4

    i read where in that setup it receives and transmits horizontal so how would it work try it 90 deg tilted to the side and the antenna uses the outer shell of the coax as receive and transmit

  • @ox6466
    @ox6466 4 місяці тому +1

    If I am understanding, you normally use vertical polarization/antennas to talk to your friends which is the same here in the U.S. Generally loops that are fed from the bottom as this one you demonstrated would exhibit a horizontal polarization. This could explain why the noise floor is lower as many forms of noise and interference are vertically polarized, but your transmission to your friends is not so great. Your antenna needs to be vertically polarized for talking line of sight with another station that's also transmitting and vertically polarized, otherwise range is vastly degraded. I am not sure what the results would be on this loop since it creates a different radiation pattern, but you could try putting it back up in the air and orientating the loop so that the feed point is on the left or ride side, instead of the bottom to attempt to achieve this. One could expect the receive noise to increase again, and that you are possibly heard better by others. I have never tried to build a loop that you can actually transmit on, so this video fascinates me!
    Also another sidenote, at 18:41, you might be surprised how such a small rotation/angle/orientation of the loop itself or direction can make a major difference. I have S9 noise typically in my neighborhood, so I use an MLA-300 receive loop and use a separate TX antenna like you suggested. By slightly tilting the loop and rotating, the tiniest difference can get rid of 100% of my noise floor, leaving a loud and clear signal from the person on the other end. They may not register on the S-meter, but the signal to noise ratio is EXCELLENT and able to hear loud and clear.

  • @Ma.Mal-
    @Ma.Mal- Рік тому +1

    An RF loop in the coax on the antenna side your noise seems atmospheric( more noise the higher up you went) might help with the noise and bring the noise floor down but signals up.

  • @F4LDT-Alain
    @F4LDT-Alain Рік тому +4

    Great test, thanks. Does it sound convincing as a balcony HF antenna since I can't put a real one on the roof of my condo? Probably not.
    I'm jealous of the traffic you enjoy on the CB band over there. It's so bloody dead here in France, and I live in a big, big city.

  • @andrewandrosow4797
    @andrewandrosow4797 5 місяців тому +1

    capacitors with hard dielectric , I think, becomes hot - beccause there is high voltage when resonanse. You will hear the signal on 3Km distance max. If you are in a town or a ciry - the distance is 1.5Km max.

  • @ClickinChicken
    @ClickinChicken Рік тому +1

    EH, Holding onto former interest in CB, just like my worm farming hobby.. EH!. My SWR was too high on test. I did my own soldering. Tried to be careful with braiding and such +, -. It's portable you can put it in the trunk. Anyway, it's still there Solocon 2000, OHIO, USA. "The chair is against the wall. " Thanks 4 video.

  • @vegetablepolice1
    @vegetablepolice1 Рік тому +3

    didnt know u had an 18 foot base station mate looking to set up some of that as well

  • @joerowland7350
    @joerowland7350 Рік тому +4

    302 am n wam Fred in the Shed shows up
    Great video Mr Fred

  • @AdamDeal-KF0PRI
    @AdamDeal-KF0PRI Рік тому +2

    with fm you want line of sight and nothing blocking your signal! the higher the better! and if you wanna cut down on noise place around 6 inches of ferrite chokes at each end of the coax.

    • @SimonBlandford
      @SimonBlandford Рік тому +1

      "Line of sight" is how VHF and above frequencies behave, regardless of mode, FM, AM, SSB etc. 27MHz is at the top of the HF bands close to VHF but still with a little bit of groundwave and long-range skip when the conditions are right.

  • @Pedro8k
    @Pedro8k 11 місяців тому +1

    you could use a nano vna or analyzer to check it

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  11 місяців тому

      Yes spot on. Thats what i did use to tune the antenna.

  • @ClickinChicken
    @ClickinChicken Рік тому +1

    Yeah, it is fun. Buy something like that put it on boat and drift, catch some cross talk. Thanks again.

  • @margaretstansfield3105
    @margaretstansfield3105 Рік тому +2

    Hi fred I tried Charlie tango to get a call sign but never heard back do you know of any other place to try having a bit of an issue with background noise have sent off for an in line inhibitor have you any other tips have watched all your blogs numerous times and have been a great help keep up the good work 😊

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  Рік тому +1

      Hi. Thats a shame about Charlie Tango. I know they had some issues. TBH most people simply make one up. Use 26 prefix for UK so it for example my location St Albans could 26/ST123. Noise is a real issue. There is no real quick fix. SSB normally has less than AM and FM. A used HF radio with filtering like DSP can really help.

    • @margaretstansfield3105
      @margaretstansfield3105 Рік тому +1

      Thank you so much for reply can I ask which hf radio would be the simplest to use for my husband who is registered blind and only has a small amount of vision I have to be his eyes for most things posting this for example he has got the gist of the 6900 but are hf radios more complicated best wishes

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  Рік тому +1

      Hi. Thats a very tough question and all HF radios are more complicated than the 6900. Most newer radios feature a touch screen which I am not sure if that makes them easier to use and does have small text etc. I have a Yaesu 450D which has a very clear white on black display. Some of the text on the buttons are small though. You can see it in this video. ua-cam.com/video/TxM5ZQAYxsU/v-deo.html

    • @margaretstansfield3105
      @margaretstansfield3105 Рік тому

      @CB-RADIO-UK thank you for taking time I will keep a look out for one there are some on ebay but unsure maybe in new year
      or if you come. Across any for sale please let know thanks for your advice

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  Рік тому +1

      Just be careful on Ebay as some radios can have faults which are hard to prove. Not the cheapest but with a store you know it will work ok. www.radioworld.co.uk/second-hand-yaesu-ft-450d-with-auto-antenna-tuner

  • @w8lvradio
    @w8lvradio Рік тому +1

    Setting the loop aside, I wonder if anyone in the CB radio community is using end feds as we do in amateur radio, especially the 9:1 with a non-resonant length might by an absolute killer antenna, at that 27 mhz dimension you could put it anywhere. All the Best! 73 DE W8LV BILL

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  Рік тому +1

      I know one guy did try one on qrp. Not sure it worked so well on local chat.

  • @vegetablepolice1
    @vegetablepolice1 Рік тому +1

    cb is longer range on marine band as I'm told am at night and shortwave is longer range then that as well

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  Рік тому

      Not sure on marine band as thats up in the VHF 160's. Deffo on SW reception though.

  • @chuffer25
    @chuffer25 Рік тому +2

    Just wondering if this antenna might be directional, may be worth rotating to see if there’s any improvement.

    • @putteification
      @putteification Рік тому

      Figure 8 pattern, and horizontally polarized.

    • @vegetablepolice1
      @vegetablepolice1 Рік тому

      looks derectional tho I'd want to try to pick up am with it at times tho

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  Рік тому +1

      Yes very good point and something i missed in the video at the time being my first loop.

    • @vegetablepolice1
      @vegetablepolice1 Рік тому +1

      that's what I wondered mate hard telling what direction Dan was from you at the time .

    • @ammocraft
      @ammocraft Рік тому

      Loops typically have a null through the centre - i.e. are directional end-on.

  • @christophersmith1155
    @christophersmith1155 Рік тому +1

    are the SIRIO ASTROPLANE and STAR DUSTER "M-400 popular in Brittan ?

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  Рік тому

      We have the The Sirio Top One but its a very large antenna to mount.

    • @christophersmith1155
      @christophersmith1155 Рік тому

      it cant be harder then mounting a 1/2 or 5/8 wave ground plane.

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  Рік тому

      Yeah full ground plane radial kit can be big. One breaker had one up and it was well over 20 foot long with the basket. Came down in high wind and took out his fence and his neighbours fence as well.

  • @ItsRael108
    @ItsRael108 3 місяці тому +1

    Very interesting tho it failed your 11m test I wonder how well it would perform recieving other frequencies??
    Great video Fred as always
    Thank you 10/10 73

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  3 місяці тому

      Thanks. I did get it working on 11 m on another video in the series.

  • @buzz4175
    @buzz4175 7 місяців тому +1

    Hi Fred got one of these, HFDY 50K-500MHz Wideband Active Small Magnetic Loop Antenna LZ1AQ Amplifier HF AM FM VHF UHF SDR Receiver Radio Tescun Malahitea from Bangood, I was wondering if it makes any difference to reception when different voltages are applied, it ranges from 5-12v

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  7 місяців тому

      I would not think so as long as you were within the range.

    • @buzz4175
      @buzz4175 7 місяців тому +1

      @@CB-RADIO-UK okay, thank you :)

  • @patrickkerns2022
    @patrickkerns2022 6 місяців тому +1

    i want to get one and use it for recieve only ..shortwave and ham do you think it would pick up distant stations as good as a 20 foot wire??? thanks

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  6 місяців тому

      Hi. Hard to say gain wise esp if you use a small LNA with the wire. What it will do though is reject a lot of noise which will mean you should hear weaker stations clearer.

  • @assistantto007
    @assistantto007 Рік тому +2

    Does that loop have directionality? Did you try swiveling it at all during tx and rx?

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  Рік тому

      Yes your right. No sadly i did not.

  • @EI6DP
    @EI6DP 6 місяців тому +1

    Why not tune for maximum noise on receive !, makes tuning easier.

  • @johnferrier5955
    @johnferrier5955 10 місяців тому +1

    Hi just getting back into cb radio after a 30 year break, have you ever tried to use a redundant tv aerial ? would one of those stuck on a chimney work lol

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  10 місяців тому +1

      Hi. Yeah they wont work at all. They are UHF and CB is HF. Total wrong freq Iam afraid.

  • @moustacheanddrumsticks4381
    @moustacheanddrumsticks4381 Рік тому +1

    Hi Fred love the vids! I was told (and some research) that Mag Loops are directional (for the most part). Did you take that into account? If not might be worth just looking on the map and have it facing towards Dan (as in the flat side of the loop facing him not the edge. If you knew that I apologise. 73s

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  Рік тому

      Hi. Yes your spot on. No i did not try to rotate it. Being my first loop I got too caught up in tuning it and did not consider it at the time. Something to try next year. Cheers.

  • @19TC504
    @19TC504 Рік тому +1

    hey nice video :) i think the quansheng uv k5 handhelds are fun for you 2,it do 50mhz till 600mhz and you can modify the filmware so you can listen 2 18mhz till 1300mhz i think for you its fun to play with it :) so you can also listen on 11 meters with it :)

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  Рік тому

      Hi. Yes i have one in. I ve not had a chance to really play with it yet but it will be featured after christmas.

    • @19TC504
      @19TC504 Рік тому +1

      yeah i have the k 5.8 it have the orange display i love it,i order another one that one is in camo color and i order the quansheng uv 5 plus it has a bigger battery then the battery,s that comes with the k 5 and the k 5.8

  • @dudleyedge1374
    @dudleyedge1374 Рік тому +1

    I bought the cs-47, bloody thing isn't tuned for 27megz

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  Рік тому

      Strange. It should tune to UK FM as well as all the euro bands. Check out my review vid as i show how to change bands.

    • @dudleyedge1374
      @dudleyedge1374 Рік тому

      I checked the listing after I realised it wasn't tuned and in the listing it says: 26.965-27.405 MHz

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  Рік тому

      Yes thats the EURO midblock channels. The FM channels are higher. You should be able to change to them.

    • @dudleyedge1374
      @dudleyedge1374 Рік тому

      Well if you have done or are planning on doing one, I would very much appreciate it, it's an ideal unit for car

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  Рік тому

      This is my review. It should show changing the channel sections. ua-cam.com/video/ZiZV5aKmnB0/v-deo.html

  • @M6MRP
    @M6MRP 10 місяців тому +2

    Hi Fred, not sure if you have been told but that is not a mag loop as such its a poor copy of what was called the army loop and it was never that good to start with, build yourself a real mag loop even as easy as using a ally bicycle wheel rim and you will see a difference.

  • @downsouthsafaris6788
    @downsouthsafaris6788 9 днів тому +1

    Small observation your BNC genders are the wrong way around the centre pin vs the centre sleeve determine the gender - noteworthy if ordering
    I have no issues with CBers using Ham antennas - more power to them for trying to improve their signal.

  • @gibbosj08
    @gibbosj08 Рік тому +1

    haha fred you sound just like me just go for it. then read the instructions when its not working 😂 love the videos fella. do you guys have a particular time and frequency u use. love to try and make contact m8 i was round your way the other day couldn't help myself but look out for antennas you could call that a new hobby mast spotting if you will 👍👍

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  Рік тому

      Yes i do tend to rush in with both feet first. Ive not been on the CB much for the past weeks due to work. Yeah i rem the antenna spotting back from the day. Cheers

  • @Penfold-e7l
    @Penfold-e7l Рік тому +1

    Nice videos witch is better coil antenna or a straight antenna (silver rod )🤔

  • @vegetablepolice1
    @vegetablepolice1 Рік тому +1

    ham radio is a legit hoby for dxing mate

  • @alaindefrance3741
    @alaindefrance3741 2 місяці тому

    Hello, how did you manage to adjust and work on 27 MHz? thank you

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  2 місяці тому

      Hi see here. ua-cam.com/video/YDDguyHlSOI/v-deo.html

    • @alaindefrance3741
      @alaindefrance3741 2 місяці тому +1

      @@CB-RADIO-UK Thank you for your reply, I will now be able to transmit on 11 meters after this adjustment 73/51 from France

  • @vegetablepolice1
    @vegetablepolice1 Рік тому +1

    lol i see u fliping us off thanks for showing how to set this up

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  Рік тому +1

      Oh crap when did i show you the bird ?

    • @vegetablepolice1
      @vegetablepolice1 Рік тому

      @CB-RADIO-UK cople times . like you sed that loop is good for resiving . and I gather a tower for transition

    • @vegetablepolice1
      @vegetablepolice1 Рік тому

      giting into all bands of radio, mate this should help with the setup process quite alout

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  Рік тому +1

      I think its all a learning curve with antennas. The receive is very low noise on a loop and could be ideal for someone with a very high noise level preventing hearing contacts. I dont know if you could somehow make a switch which would change to a vertical base antenna for TX.

  • @bertcb1gwn909
    @bertcb1gwn909 Рік тому +1

    Reupload ?

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  Рік тому +2

      No its the final review that i mention in the other videos when i was getting the antenna working

  • @tomweickmann6414
    @tomweickmann6414 6 місяців тому +1

    American here.
    I can't believe what they are charging for those antenna kits.
    There must be a black market in the UK for variable caps.
    Or the Khanman doesn't want you to listen to anything but the BBC.......😮

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  6 місяців тому

      Loop antennas with vari caps have always been very expensive. As soon as you mention HAM radio the prices doubles.

  • @vegetablepolice1
    @vegetablepolice1 Рік тому +3

    u want to keep swr as low as possible

    • @bruceclark5627
      @bruceclark5627 Рік тому +1

      Are you sure about that?

    • @vegetablepolice1
      @vegetablepolice1 Рік тому +1

      @bruceclark5627 I learned that affects your signal strength so yes

    • @bruceclark5627
      @bruceclark5627 Рік тому +1

      @@vegetablepolice1 I don't think you're understanding sarcasm.

    • @vegetablepolice1
      @vegetablepolice1 Рік тому +1

      not sure that can be convayed over text but I fell u man

    • @bruceclark5627
      @bruceclark5627 Рік тому +1

      @@vegetablepolice1 there should be a faunt(I think that's how you spell it) to show you're trying to be a humorous smart-ass. 😀

  • @raymondmartin6737
    @raymondmartin6737 Рік тому +1

    I found it on Amazon for $85.99 US 😊

  • @26OP011
    @26OP011 Рік тому +3

    Its a directional antenna you need to point it at them

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  Рік тому

      Thanks your spot on and i missed that in the video.

  • @michaelmilenkoclewes572
    @michaelmilenkoclewes572 2 місяці тому

    It's reciving shit he's got no signal. To you

  • @spakkajack
    @spakkajack Рік тому

    Its not a magnetic loop

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  Рік тому

      Its strange is it not. More of a receiving loop.

  • @Bond2025
    @Bond2025 Рік тому

    Can you be more careful about where you place the camera! It would be best to move it forward about 3ft as the current position means you are constantly covering the lens with your hand and fingers. It is similar to how old people take photos, they cover the lens with part of their hand or finger and forget we can't see through them. Any solid object nearer to the lens will block what you are trying to film.
    There are lots of beginner videos for youtube people so they can make good videos and it explains all of this and other common mistakes, plus how to check before posting in order to correct the videos.
    The other common mistake people make when filming is to keep pointing at what they are filming and waving their hands about in front of it. We know what you are filming as that is what you are showing us!
    There is a channel that performs hoaxes quite often and they do things to see who really watches them and how fast something they do will spread to other videos. One was exactly this - they deliberately covered up the camera with hands and fingers and waited to see who copied them. They also did one in which they deliberately left a camera on auto focus and kept moving it to slow the focus change, suddenly everyone started copying this too and they had a good laugh about it. There is some league table about how long it takes people to copy and how many things they copy.
    there was a car seller in Wales, UK, that was found copying saabkyle04 word for word for example!
    People expect more from youtube videos now, so covering lenses with fingers and waving hands to block the camera is poor.

  • @jaimz33
    @jaimz33 11 місяців тому

    Anything from Bangood is utter rubbish, like their customer service. Avoid like the plague.

  • @Bond2025
    @Bond2025 Рік тому

    Don't put your fingers in front of the camera to block the lens, don't keep waving your hands and fingers about in front of the camera lens to block it, don't keep tapping on things and blocking the camera lens with your finger and hand, check your videos before posting and it will allow you to correct the continual errors you are making that make the video appear quite childish in terms of presentation.
    At least you saved people from buying what you have described as a useless product!

    • @CB-RADIO-UK
      @CB-RADIO-UK  Рік тому +2

      Your comment kinda reminds me of :-
      Now they said his works of art were dull
      No room, all 'round, the walls are full
      But Lowry didn't care much anyway
      They said he just paints cats and dogs
      And matchstalk men in boots and clogs
      And Lowry said, "That's just the way they'll stay"