This is interesting because when I was wrestling in high school my forearms/arms were the biggest and I was never able to replicate it in the gym even when going to failure on curls. And the thing is my arms would go to failure and BEYOND on every sparring session (3 times per week). Like I could not even close my hands or bend my arm after those sessions. I'll start doing it on my curls now and see if I get better results.
@@alik5972 Great, finally got my arms to grow! Although I do add drop sets/rp to my sets sometimes I found what solved my issue was doing more exercises in the lengthened position. Can't believe more people don't talk about this but exercise selection is key.
I usually push to failure, drop the weight and fail many times, then when I’ve really had enough just find a way to hold the squeeze. With biceps that usually means jumping into a top pull up position and holding that and fighting it until I’ve got nothing left and am just dead hanging. This is awful and usually requires a moment of pacing around to work myself up to it. I love it. I hate it.
Exercises I train beyond failure on: RDLs obviously... All all seriousness though, your videos are just awesome. I love these videos where it's all/mostly things that I know/do already, but I've never specifically thought about them in such a coherent way. It really helps the old grey matter really nail this stuff down. IDK if that even made sense...
Only noticed your content today 💪 great channel. I totally agree with you on the high intensity low volume, I've had people ask for my advice on how to get arms like my own and they basically don't believe I only do a few sets per muscle. My favourite techniques are lifting failure, then 10 second rest and complete another rep. Or train to lifting failure then get the weight in the fully contracted position and hold it there as long as I can. Pre exhaustion is also effective. Do you think lifting tempo effects things much? I favour a slightly slower lift, then a hold in the fully contracted position and a slow negative, so each repetition takes maybe 8-10 seconds. Thanks and keep producing the great content 💪
Tempo does impact things, yes. Can get results through a variety of rep speeds but I prefer explosive concentric, slight pause, slower eccentric. Depends on the movement though.
great video, I have been doing all the things you talked about but I wasn't sure if what I was doing was correct, I am 67 years old, and have been repeatedly told I am going too hard for my age. my joints feel fine. I take one day off to recover a week. thank you.
If the exercise's resistance curve and the muscle's strength curve are congruent, failure will often occur at different points in the ROM. Beyond failure in those is probably not producing much more of a stimulus and just increasing fatigue. But in non-congruent exercises,, I think there may be some benefit to doing partials, iso's, etc after failure in the stronger (easier) ROM's. There just hasn't been much research on that yet. Of course one has to account for volume and frequency when you are going to induce more fatigue. So for some, it may not be advised based on how they have their program set up. Enjoy your channel. Keep the vids coming.
This isn't really going past failure but I did push-ups in the "myo reps" style a couple days ago and damn, my chest is still sore. And the funny thing is that I did about only 85 reps in a matter of 5-10 minutes. And that made my chest and front delts sore as hell (granted I haven't trained my chest for a while but I'm in decent shape). Utilizing these intensity tricks (myo, drop sets, partial reps) is a great time saver and a great way to make easier movements into a challening workout. Not many people like to do this though despite the obvious benefits. It's a tough way to train and you can't keep a pokerface and are forced to look like you are actually pushing yourself (as shown in this video 😅).
On the seated hamstring curls, once I've hit failure with the normal reps, I bend my torso forward while pushing the handle forward to assist myself on the positive, then, I statically hold the flexed position while slowly returning my back to the pad, then, slowly lower the negative and do that until failure
Seriously, great video! Thank you for sharing... how often would you suggest training this way? I'm a big fan of 3 times a week for most muscle groups and i love to do 3-5 sets. taking most of the sets to failure this way would be advisable if i'm only doing 3 full body sessions per week?
I'll go to failure on the last set of an exercise every time. Beyond failure on the last set of a given muscle group during an isolation, and that'll be done by either cheat reps or drops sets. Whatever I can do to burnout the muscle (without interfering with others as much as possible, so for back it'll be cable pull overs, chest would be flys, so on) But if it means anything, im incredibly dyel, so it doesn't even matter
As for a natural lifter, muscle strength will be primarily correlated with muscle size. Since beyond failure training doesn't promote much strength gains, wouldn't that mean that beyond failure training is a kind of counterproductive for gaining muscle size?
I might try it, but I'm not sure if I really believe in going 'beyond failure'; it seems like an extremist concept to me... It might work for some movements, but not for all (it might not be necessary).
I was experiencing that foot tapping thing on 2nd day of gym and one the bigger bro said, "i see your legs shake a lot. Do you drink or smoke alot?" and i was so Confused why did that happen. I was 18 for Christ's sake 😑
I have a question- I've always trained to where I have no reps in reserve, always. Do you believe their comes a point to where you should start training with a couple reps in the tank? If so, for how long? The reason I ask is because I never ever saw the point of stopping when you can still do more, but as I'm aging (coming close to 40), I'm starting to have trouble recovering. My muscles and joints are fine (for the most part), but my central nervous system gets so burned out that some days I just cant flip on the switch and get psyched up...or I can only do 4 sets of one compound exercise, but the next compound exercise is like "I dont care, I dont want to, I'm not feeling it". What do you suggest?
Gotta autoregulate, and age is definitely a factor. I'd look at diet and sleep first. Maybe a blood test. But to a certain extent age is inevitable. I'd also try to track which exercises you can push harder than others. If I pushed squats, deads, lunges, stuff like that beyond failure, it would be like 1 set per week...not very effective training. I've done one set TO failure on those before, but like a drop set of lunges and then partials or something....erm, overkill!
@@GVS thanks! Nutrition and sleep is in check. I'm not messing with drop sets on heavy compounds. Typically I'll do (example) on leg day- 4 sets of 8 across the board, every set is until I couldnt do another rep. Squats, SLDL, walking dumbell lunges, leg curls, leg extensions, calf raises. Push day- bench, incline bench, close grip bench, flys, lateral raises, tricep extensions (usually cables). Pull day- bent over barbell rows, pullups or pulldowns, pullovers, reverse flys, some curl variation. Same reps and amount of sets on everything. Every set I do is to where I couldnt possibly do another rep. I hit every muscle group twice a week. Each day is basically 8 sets of heavy compounds. Is that legit to keep doing, or should I lower the volume of compound sets a little? Sorry for all the questions. Just interested in your critique. (Oh, and bloodwork is great. No deficiencies or problems)
@@JoshBenware Nothing looks wrong on paper. But again, the proof is in the results, that's the best assessment. If you were getting good results, I'd say it's great. But that's not the case so maybe deloading and building back up is best, or attacking a different rep range, or exercises, or pyramidding up, lots of different options. But nothing works forever.
I have a question : No matter how much exercises I do or no matter how much sets or volume I do I don't get sore in some types of muscles even if I train them more than the usual
Depends on the exercise and my plan. I'll do almost all spider curls like that. Due to the strength curve just going to failure is far too easy. They're just normal sets to me and actually there were 2-3 other sets filmed and not used. With no camera would be exactly the same. Laterals basically the same, but sometimes just to failure.
I go beyond faliure on quad extentions. So i first do as many reps as I can in full rom then i go to half rom then quarter rom then i hold the weight up while a friend pushes against the pad until i can create Any risistance at all
Damn that foot tapping reaction coupled with the expression on ur face was pretty funny
Hope I don't become a meme
@@GVS yeah well the potential's there
@anysimmers Jefe the lifter
This is interesting because when I was wrestling in high school my forearms/arms were the biggest and I was never able to replicate it in the gym even when going to failure on curls. And the thing is my arms would go to failure and BEYOND on every sparring session (3 times per week). Like I could not even close my hands or bend my arm after those sessions. I'll start doing it on my curls now and see if I get better results.
Very cool observation 🤔also inspiring
How is it going my fellow intensity enjoyer?
@@alik5972 Great, finally got my arms to grow! Although I do add drop sets/rp to my sets sometimes I found what solved my issue was doing more exercises in the lengthened position. Can't believe more people don't talk about this but exercise selection is key.
I usually push to failure, drop the weight and fail many times, then when I’ve really had enough just find a way to hold the squeeze. With biceps that usually means jumping into a top pull up position and holding that and fighting it until I’ve got nothing left and am just dead hanging. This is awful and usually requires a moment of pacing around to work myself up to it. I love it. I hate it.
I know for a fact Doctor Greg would be so proud 😂😂😂
To failure...and beyond. - buzz light-year
I eat beyond failure 🍖🍗🥩🍛🍜
Different kind of gains bRAH
I dropset sleeping
@@Banjawesome lol
I like the wedding ring analogy
Exercises I train beyond failure on: RDLs obviously...
All all seriousness though, your videos are just awesome. I love these videos where it's all/mostly things that I know/do already, but I've never specifically thought about them in such a coherent way. It really helps the old grey matter really nail this stuff down.
IDK if that even made sense...
What an interesting concept!
Only noticed your content today 💪 great channel. I totally agree with you on the high intensity low volume, I've had people ask for my advice on how to get arms like my own and they basically don't believe I only do a few sets per muscle. My favourite techniques are lifting failure, then 10 second rest and complete another rep. Or train to lifting failure then get the weight in the fully contracted position and hold it there as long as I can. Pre exhaustion is also effective. Do you think lifting tempo effects things much? I favour a slightly slower lift, then a hold in the fully contracted position and a slow negative, so each repetition takes maybe 8-10 seconds. Thanks and keep producing the great content 💪
Tempo does impact things, yes. Can get results through a variety of rep speeds but I prefer explosive concentric, slight pause, slower eccentric. Depends on the movement though.
great video, I have been doing all the things you talked about but I wasn't sure if what I was doing was correct, I am 67 years old, and have been repeatedly told I am going too hard for my age. my joints feel fine. I take one day off to recover a week. thank you.
Best failure faces I have ever seen.
If the exercise's resistance curve and the muscle's strength curve are congruent, failure will often occur at different points in the ROM. Beyond failure in those is probably not producing much more of a stimulus and just increasing fatigue. But in non-congruent exercises,, I think there may be some benefit to doing partials, iso's, etc after failure in the stronger (easier) ROM's. There just hasn't been much research on that yet. Of course one has to account for volume and frequency when you are going to induce more fatigue. So for some, it may not be advised based on how they have their program set up. Enjoy your channel. Keep the vids coming.
Indeed. On something like a sumo deadlift, where it's hardest at the start...partials wouldn 't make any sense, not to mention the dangers.
This isn't really going past failure but I did push-ups in the "myo reps" style a couple days ago and damn, my chest is still sore. And the funny thing is that I did about only 85 reps in a matter of 5-10 minutes. And that made my chest and front delts sore as hell (granted I haven't trained my chest for a while but I'm in decent shape). Utilizing these intensity tricks (myo, drop sets, partial reps) is a great time saver and a great way to make easier movements into a challening workout. Not many people like to do this though despite the obvious benefits. It's a tough way to train and you can't keep a pokerface and are forced to look like you are actually pushing yourself (as shown in this video 😅).
Yea if someone looks totally bored or blank in the face, not a lot of training stimulus happening!
3:51 "...big ass muscle..."
Heh
OMFG I admire your effort hhh
I sometimes have the same reaction man
On the seated hamstring curls, once I've hit failure with the normal reps, I bend my torso forward while pushing the handle forward to assist myself on the positive, then, I statically hold the flexed position while slowly returning my back to the pad, then, slowly lower the negative and do that until failure
Thanks for the good info, subbed
Welcome to the channel!
Seriously, great video! Thank you for sharing... how often would you suggest training this way? I'm a big fan of 3 times a week for most muscle groups and i love to do 3-5 sets. taking most of the sets to failure this way would be advisable if i'm only doing 3 full body sessions per week?
Probably not, maybe 1 set, on some movements.
@@GVS Thanks, man!
coach got the moves
I'll go to failure on the last set of an exercise every time. Beyond failure on the last set of a given muscle group during an isolation, and that'll be done by either cheat reps or drops sets. Whatever I can do to burnout the muscle (without interfering with others as much as possible, so for back it'll be cable pull overs, chest would be flys, so on)
But if it means anything, im incredibly dyel, so it doesn't even matter
I bench press close to failure, and then i do push ups to failure.
Another informative video. Also, your version of Bon Jovi is better than Bon Jovi's version of himself, lol.
That sexy outro though :p
Viking Press
semi-occluded leg ext, curl
Lateral raises all the way
Myo reps might be a good way to do this.
Yea, definitely. ua-cam.com/video/R3awPWm97dA/v-deo.html
Commenting harder than last time!
Crazy Eyes!!!!!
Nice thumbnail, Geoff
I try
You’re primed to become a tap dancer but just drop the singing please 😉
Could you review fit tuber, and his rather different methods to gain height specifically
Erm....height? I'll check it out.
As for a natural lifter, muscle strength will be primarily correlated with muscle size. Since beyond failure training doesn't promote much strength gains, wouldn't that mean that beyond failure training is a kind of counterproductive for gaining muscle size?
You can skew one adaptation or another.
@@GVS thanks for your
response!
I might try it, but I'm not sure if I really believe in going 'beyond failure'; it seems like an extremist concept to me... It might work for some movements, but not for all (it might not be necessary).
As noted, not for most heavy barbell/dumbbell compounds.
I was experiencing that foot tapping thing on 2nd day of gym and one the bigger bro said, "i see your legs shake a lot. Do you drink or smoke alot?" and i was so Confused why did that happen. I was 18 for Christ's sake 😑
I have a question- I've always trained to where I have no reps in reserve, always. Do you believe their comes a point to where you should start training with a couple reps in the tank? If so, for how long?
The reason I ask is because I never ever saw the point of stopping when you can still do more, but as I'm aging (coming close to 40), I'm starting to have trouble recovering. My muscles and joints are fine (for the most part), but my central nervous system gets so burned out that some days I just cant flip on the switch and get psyched up...or I can only do 4 sets of one compound exercise, but the next compound exercise is like "I dont care, I dont want to, I'm not feeling it". What do you suggest?
Gotta autoregulate, and age is definitely a factor. I'd look at diet and sleep first. Maybe a blood test. But to a certain extent age is inevitable.
I'd also try to track which exercises you can push harder than others. If I pushed squats, deads, lunges, stuff like that beyond failure, it would be like 1 set per week...not very effective training. I've done one set TO failure on those before, but like a drop set of lunges and then partials or something....erm, overkill!
@@GVS thanks! Nutrition and sleep is in check. I'm not messing with drop sets on heavy compounds. Typically I'll do (example) on leg day- 4 sets of 8 across the board, every set is until I couldnt do another rep. Squats, SLDL, walking dumbell lunges, leg curls, leg extensions, calf raises. Push day- bench, incline bench, close grip bench, flys, lateral raises, tricep extensions (usually cables). Pull day- bent over barbell rows, pullups or pulldowns, pullovers, reverse flys, some curl variation.
Same reps and amount of sets on everything. Every set I do is to where I couldnt possibly do another rep. I hit every muscle group twice a week. Each day is basically 8 sets of heavy compounds. Is that legit to keep doing, or should I lower the volume of compound sets a little? Sorry for all the questions. Just interested in your critique. (Oh, and bloodwork is great. No deficiencies or problems)
@@JoshBenware Nothing looks wrong on paper. But again, the proof is in the results, that's the best assessment. If you were getting good results, I'd say it's great. But that's not the case so maybe deloading and building back up is best, or attacking a different rep range, or exercises, or pyramidding up, lots of different options. But nothing works forever.
@Tadqwerty29 Depressing, but so true... It does help to take the time to warm up more than before.
“I’m going well beyond failure”
- Potato Joe Biden
is maximal slow eccentric overload where you lower down a heavier than 1 rep max weight as slow as possible considered beyond failure training?
Could argue either way, I'm not sure it matters how you define it.
I have a question : No matter how much exercises I do or no matter how much sets or volume I do I don't get sore in some types of muscles even if I train them more than the usual
Some areas just don't get sore much. Shoulders, maybe biceps, etc. Everyone is different, and you don't need soreness to grow.
bUt MaStEr T sAiD tHaT hYpErTrOpHy DoEsN't BuIlD mUsClE!
no strains no gains bro
do you do this for every set or the last one/two sets?
Depends on the exercise and my plan. I'll do almost all spider curls like that. Due to the strength curve just going to failure is far too easy.
They're just normal sets to me and actually there were 2-3 other sets filmed and not used. With no camera would be exactly the same. Laterals basically the same, but sometimes just to failure.
5:40 What is that chart?
Motor unit recruitments of an isometric contraction.
@@GVS Cool. Is this from a study or something? Would be keen on reading more...
@@Franky-zc3xx Yea just dug it up:
journals.plos.org/ploscompbiol/article?id=10.1371/journal.pcbi.1005581
@@GVS Thank you Geoff ❤
algorithm
These intros are more concerning than the outros. "Fellow primates"?? We had a "Land dwellers" recently as well. Is Geoff human???
Certainly am I, likewise sentient fleshmeat being.
may god have mercy on your legs
? I don't do this for legs, generally.
I go beyond faliure on quad extentions. So i first do as many reps as I can in full rom then i go to half rom then quarter rom then i hold the weight up while a friend pushes against the pad until i can create Any risistance at all
First
I saw already 8 views. Good job. You are his hardcore fan.
Think I am first to Like..... Haha