Great videos... and you are a damned good mechanic. I'm 60 years old, and have always done my own work on all my cars... but I've seen many mechanics over the years, too. You have a great diagnostic ability, which is the number one most important thing, to get right to the problem, and fix or replace only the right parts. And how fast you get there... no drama, no busted knuckles, no dropped parts... very impressive. You are probably half my age, but four times the mechanic. Kudos.
proto57 You are too kind... thank you! The diagnosis was done off camera. I try to post videos of the work that needs to be done / the removal of the failed part. Some of my videos contain diagnosis, but for the most part it's just "removal" of parts. The edited video also makes me look better / more competent. I still have lots to learn... and don't have access to the training I wish I had. I'm 47... so I'm not too far behind you! =)
Can you pull the fan assembly from the top ? after release of plug harness of course can't raise the car like you can great vid bro..keep em coming ThankS
It might come out the top... I have never tried. The reason I pull it out at the bottom, is because I am under the car when I disconnect the lower components. Let me know if pulling it out the top works for you.
Hi Thomas! Thanks for sharing this I have a 2013 Tiguan the large fan doesn't work but the small one does output test from scanne tool just the small one runs and i have a dtc for a blocked cooling fan is it a bad fan or i miss something?
Hello again brother I'm. Having a issue with my fans on my passat same engine and cooling fan setup as this tiguan anyways sometimes the fans will come on full blast when I put on the ignition the only way to turn them off is to remove the battery terminal sometimes they work normally meaning when I put on the ignition the fans stay off today they came on full blast when I switched on the ignition but it was raining so I turned on the ac shortly after and about 15mins into driving I realized the ac wasn't as cold and the fans had stopped working so I drove home and when I reached home and switched off the fans started back working normally with the after run pump like how it normally does when the car is considered hot by the ecm I scanned with my Ross tech found no codes checked the measuring blocks outlet coolant temp and coolant Temps all look good when the engine is warm I get 103 degrees checked the fan 1 duty cycle fans come on and I can see the duty cycle raise to the desired value even when the fans are malfunctioning the duty cycle is 92% etc so my real questions are will a faulty fan control module cause this or should I be looking at a relay or fuse? I tired looking for fuses or relays concerning the fans but the owners manual doesn't state anything for it assist please.
If the ECM is demanding a high duty cycle... look for a fault on the ECM input side or the AC Control module side (high AC pressure). If the fans are on high with LOW duty cycle, then I would suspect a fault with the Fan Module.
Thomas EXOVCDS today when the fans came on when I turned on the ignition they came on very high fastest speed IMHO yet the duty cycle was pretty low like if the fans where off it was around 9 percent so it sounds like it's the module from your input also when you say check ecm input side and ac high pressure what do you mean exactly thanks.
ECM input - coolant temperature sensor values AC control module - AC pressure / charge values If the duty cycle (ECM command) was low, then I suspect an issue with the Fan Control Module.
Thomas EXOVCDS OK Thanks I will change the control module Tom and update you so far the ecm inputs looks good as well as the ac side of things I feel. It's a faulty fan module with a sticky contact inside that causes it to work intermittently thanks again brother. BTW still waiting on that tsi timing chain replacement video ☺️
Hi Thomas, great video again. How Can I check the big fan before to replace it? The small is OK but the big never turn on, and the fan relay module is new. Best,
+Clichefotos Climatronic or Dial Heater Knobs? The wiring diagram for the Climatronic shows 2 fans that work independent of one-another. Meaning that if one does not work, most likely, that fan is dead. Disconnect that fan and apply power & ground directly to the fan harness plug. If the fan does not work at either high or low speed, then the fan is dead If the fan DOES work at both speeds, then you have a wiring / control fault. If one speed works but the other does not, then the fan could use replacing. I'll send you a link via youtube message service to a wiring diagram that I have... so you can see that the module is NOT part of the fan (mounted remotely (not like in this video where the fan module is part of the large fan).
Hi I have spent a shed load of money on a 2013 5n tiguan 2.0tdi 140 problem no ac fan gas fine new compressor new fan pack x2 vcd no fault and I can see it asking for fan and see output going up and down when driving etc just high pressure fault when ac been running to be expected as gas can't cool ac system checked for block all ok took to vw no idea they think its ecu when I turn car on they both flick on then nothing temp rad runs when hot and runs slow and fast and ac runs cold when driving come to stop start blowing out warm any help would be helpful and I also changed the pressure switch
Fan output command in % only means that the ECM is requesting x-amount of %... you need to check the fan module to see if the % is present on the command wire. If command is present at the fan, then it's a fan module problem... even though you already replaced it (I think you said that). Used / new? Aftermarket? Genuine? The fact that the fans come on, indicates good power & ground for the fans / module... but the "logic" part of the module could be corrupt or the signal not present. If you disconnect the fan module... does the ECM set a Fan code?
Could you please point out the relay and or fuse for the fan? my radiator fan will not shut off, effectively killing the battery, so I must disconnect every time I leave the car, when I reconnect, the fan kicks right back on? 2009 Tiguan 2.0t 81,000 Thank you!
Do a full system scan (scan all control modules for fault cods)... here's a wiring diagram: fkh161.ca/VW/TiguanCoolingFans.pdf Here's a TSB: fkh161.ca/VW/FanTSB.pdf Could be a faulty temperature sensor (may or may not set a fault code), could be a faulty fan module (stuck on, part of large fan).
Thank you so much thomas! Im not hardly a mechanic and am disabled, I had the car scanned, you were right with that, no codes, but my brother is an electrician and seen the diagram you sent, he can help me now. I couldn't find one piece of info on the tiguan, so this is awesome, keep up the great work!!
Hello Thomas..update, my brother can't find engine coolant temp sensor? Your wiring diagram showed an addition fuse box in the tiguan, which he can't locate, he (tried) explaining to me about the loop the fan(s) seem to run on. But he asked me to ask you about fuse panel 'A' location, and possibly the temp sensor? He watched your vid, loves your setup! Thank you Thomas, thank you for helping me!
Hi Thomas, I have a 08 Tiguan 1.4 TSI 150BHP Tiguan with a single Radiator Fan that is running in High Speed Mode only. The Engine Temp is normal and fan goes to full speed straight after engine start. The Fan only seem to be available from Volkswagen at approx £550 so I'm obviously eager to investigate further before buying, Any suggestions would be welcome, thanks Pat
I would do a full system scan to see if anything pops-up that is related to the fans. Fan should not run all the time. I would check if it gets a command to do so, from the ECM (check for a pulse width modulated signal at the fan module). You can also use a scan tool to run fan output test... the ECM will command the fan on... starting with low speed and the fan will get faster and faster. If it just stays at high speed, the big fan / fan control module is probably bad.
Thanks Thomas, I will have to apply a more sophisticated scan tool than my Foxwell 301 which is not showing any fault codes. Can you tell me where the Fan module is actually located? Thanks Pat
Mari Donovan It should be part of the large radiator fan (the metal center section)... unless European models are different. Find someone in your area who has vag-com / vcds so you can do a full system scan & output tests.
Next time u have a Tiguan on the lift check the hose close from the electric pump there are 2 hose rubbing on each other the spring clip is wearing the hose next to it I use a tie rap to move the hose apart I notice that on Tiguan I don't know if it applies to other TSI engines ?
Hi Thomas I have a bunch of interesting videos but I hate to edit and post them I'm not to tech savvy computers so for me it takes time just for one video .
Hi, I do not yet have a radiator removal video... sorry. However, I just checked the manual and it does not seem like there's that much more to do. Remove the fan shroud assembly, the little air duct (under my left hand at 1:29) and 2 mounting bolts on either side of the radiator. Disconnect the hoses and it should come out.
Hi. after just seeing your rotor replace video i kind of remember my fans havent turned on for a while now. Its very cold out here and car never got hotter but after inturn the car (2010 Tiguan Wolfsburgh Ed) the fan is supposed to run for a minute. I havemt heard it for a while. I have Vag Com from ross tech but how do I test it? thanks
Georgi Georgiev 01 Engine, Output tests... click next to cycle through all the controlled items until the rad fan option appears (not sure if on that model a drop down menu is available for selecting the fans directly). Once the fans are activated, they will start on low speed and will speed up to high speed. if nothing happens, check the main fuse for the fans.
Hi Thomas I did my small fan recently and i having a question when i star the car with the ac on both fan run normally but when the car is very hot ( ac working) the small fan stop and the big one run very fast and loud for a couple of minutes at the same time ac is blowing hot air, after that big fan slow down and the small one star working again ac blowing cold for another five minutes them small fan stop big fan running fast and loud again ac blowing hot over and over. I already check fuses everything look fine coud be the temperature sensor or the fan module or both or could be the weather is very hot lately. Car isn't overheating Thanks a lot
Year, make, model? If it's a Pulse Width Modulated setup like in this video... the fan module (part of the large fan) controls the small fan. Replace the large fan / module. That's my best guess at this point.
What are the two small tracer wires for on that harness? Trying to put this in something else. I know the two big pins are positive and negative. Thanks! Cant find anything else about these!
One is the ignition ON / wake-up wire and the other is the signal wire from the engine computer (telling the fan module how fast to spin the fans). The fan module is part of the large fan. If all you need is a radiator fan that is either on or off, this is not it.
@@EXOVCDS so you're saying I won't be able to use this with some relays? I'd need the module? I'm putting this set up in my 67 dart. Thank for the reply!
@@dylanhager8548 The fan control module is part of the large fan... the fan motors are brushless and are meant to be controlled via a PWM (pulse width modulated) signal... to attain various speeds as need be. Applying battery power & ground to the big cables will not do anything, since the fan module needs an ignition on signal as well as a PWM signal. You're better off using "regularly activated" fans (via temperature sensor & relay) like these: www.amazon.com/s?k=radiator+fan&ref=nb_sb_noss_2
Only if your scan tool can do it... if it's just a code reader & data viewer, you can't do it. The scan tool needs to be able to access "output tests" or "actuator tests". If your scan tool can not do that... use a multimeter (scope would be better) and check power and ground at the fan module... and a pulse width signal (on / off signal) from the ECM at one of the wires going to the module.
The radiator does not have a drain screw / valve... service info says to remove one of the radiator hoses... the lower hose is mounted a few inches higher than the lowest spot of the radiator, meaning that the bottom of the radiator will still have fluid in it. Same when draining the engine. Same service info says to remove a hose from the electric water pump... some coolant will drain out, but there will still be some coolant in the engine & heater core inside the car. Filling the system with water, running the engine for a bit and then draining again, can help mix & flush out all fluid. Use compressed air to force as much out as you can. When filling, fill with 60/40 mix coolant/water... to account for any remaining water that is in the system. fkh161.ca/VW/TiguanCoolingSystDraining.pdf
@@EXOVCDS In the case of the tiguan 2015 the radiator have both hoses (in the left and right side) at the top, it didnt have a hose in the bottom of the radiator, thats why I cant drain the coolant of the radiator. I have all ready seen some videos of other VW engines and all of them have one of the hoses at the bottom, but the tiguan didnt have it thats why I dont know how to drain all the system. Thanks for your help bro.
@@ErickGonzalez-ge6pl I didn't know what year your Tiguan was or what engine code it is (sticker on the timing chain cover should have a code). I can then look for other / more information.
+Michael Berg Not sure how much digging the boss does on these... a complete unit makes sense, it's just a matter of time till the small fan will pack it in.
Great video.I give you a lot of credit working on all the VW..Sometime they can be a real pain in the rear end.Keep up the good work.Jim
Yes they can be... thanks for dropping by!
Great videos... and you are a damned good mechanic. I'm 60 years old, and have always done my own work on all my cars... but I've seen many mechanics over the years, too. You have a great diagnostic ability, which is the number one most important thing, to get right to the problem, and fix or replace only the right parts. And how fast you get there... no drama, no busted knuckles, no dropped parts... very impressive. You are probably half my age, but four times the mechanic. Kudos.
proto57 You are too kind... thank you! The diagnosis was done off camera. I try to post videos of the work that needs to be done / the removal of the failed part. Some of my videos contain diagnosis, but for the most part it's just "removal" of parts. The edited video also makes me look better / more competent. I still have lots to learn... and don't have access to the training I wish I had.
I'm 47... so I'm not too far behind you! =)
That fan assembly was pretty well nestled up in there. Good vid on showing how to get it out...
+stuzman52 I aim to please. :)
I just did this on my '09. The video was a big help. Thanks.
Thank you for watching!
Can you pull the fan assembly from the top ? after release of plug harness of course can't raise the car like you can great vid bro..keep em coming ThankS
It might come out the top... I have never tried. The reason I pull it out at the bottom, is because I am under the car when I disconnect the lower components. Let me know if pulling it out the top works for you.
Hi Thomas! Thanks for sharing this
I have a 2013 Tiguan the large fan doesn't work but the small one does output test from scanne tool just the small one runs and i have a dtc for a blocked cooling fan is it a bad fan or i miss something?
It's most likely a bad large fan... the fan module is part of the fan. Replacing the large fan (with module) should solve things.
@@EXOVCDS thanks a lot man i appreciate it
Hello again brother I'm. Having a issue with my fans on my passat same engine and cooling fan setup as this tiguan anyways sometimes the fans will come on full blast when I put on the ignition the only way to turn them off is to remove the battery terminal sometimes they work normally meaning when I put on the ignition the fans stay off today they came on full blast when I switched on the ignition but it was raining so I turned on the ac shortly after and about 15mins into driving I realized the ac wasn't as cold and the fans had stopped working so I drove home and when I reached home and switched off the fans started back working normally with the after run pump like how it normally does when the car is considered hot by the ecm
I scanned with my Ross tech found no codes checked the measuring blocks outlet coolant temp and coolant Temps all look good when the engine is warm I get 103 degrees checked the fan 1 duty cycle fans come on and I can see the duty cycle raise to the desired value even when the fans are malfunctioning the duty cycle is 92% etc so my real questions are will a faulty fan control module cause this or should I be looking at a relay or fuse? I tired looking for fuses or relays concerning the fans but the owners manual doesn't state anything for it assist please.
Read the comments and got some diagrams wow just what I was looking for thanks
If the ECM is demanding a high duty cycle... look for a fault on the ECM input side or the AC Control module side (high AC pressure). If the fans are on high with LOW duty cycle, then I would suspect a fault with the Fan Module.
Thomas EXOVCDS today when the fans came on when I turned on the ignition they came on very high fastest speed IMHO yet the duty cycle was pretty low like if the fans where off it was around 9 percent so it sounds like it's the module from your input also when you say check ecm input side and ac high pressure what do you mean exactly thanks.
ECM input - coolant temperature sensor values
AC control module - AC pressure / charge values
If the duty cycle (ECM command) was low, then I suspect an issue with the Fan Control Module.
Thomas EXOVCDS OK Thanks I will change the control module Tom and update you so far the ecm inputs looks good as well as the ac side of things I feel. It's a faulty fan module with a sticky contact inside that causes it to work intermittently thanks again brother. BTW still waiting on that tsi timing chain replacement video ☺️
Hi Thomas, great video again. How Can I check the big fan before to replace it? The small is OK but the big never turn on, and the fan relay module is new.
Best,
+Clichefotos Year, model & engine size?
+Thomas EXOVCDS year 2000, audi a3, 1.9 TDI 81kw.
+Clichefotos Climatronic or Dial Heater Knobs? The wiring diagram for the Climatronic shows 2 fans that work independent of one-another. Meaning that if one does not work, most likely, that fan is dead. Disconnect that fan and apply power & ground directly to the fan harness plug. If the fan does not work at either high or low speed, then the fan is dead If the fan DOES work at both speeds, then you have a wiring / control fault. If one speed works but the other does not, then the fan could use replacing. I'll send you a link via youtube message service to a wiring diagram that I have... so you can see that the module is NOT part of the fan (mounted remotely (not like in this video where the fan module is part of the large fan).
Man oh man, not a lot of room under there eh! Almost reminds me of a Beetle. Didn't realize the Tiguan's were so short on under the hood space.
+Michael Shone A5 Jetta platform after all. :)
Hi I have spent a shed load of money on a 2013 5n tiguan 2.0tdi 140 problem no ac fan gas fine new compressor new fan pack x2 vcd no fault and I can see it asking for fan and see output going up and down when driving etc just high pressure fault when ac been running to be expected as gas can't cool ac system checked for block all ok took to vw no idea they think its ecu when I turn car on they both flick on then nothing temp rad runs when hot and runs slow and fast and ac runs cold when driving come to stop start blowing out warm any help would be helpful and I also changed the pressure switch
Fan output command in % only means that the ECM is requesting x-amount of %... you need to check the fan module to see if the % is present on the command wire. If command is present at the fan, then it's a fan module problem... even though you already replaced it (I think you said that). Used / new? Aftermarket? Genuine? The fact that the fans come on, indicates good power & ground for the fans / module... but the "logic" part of the module could be corrupt or the signal not present. If you disconnect the fan module... does the ECM set a Fan code?
Could you please point out the relay and or fuse for the fan? my radiator fan will not shut off, effectively killing the battery, so I must disconnect every time I leave the car, when I reconnect, the fan kicks right back on?
2009 Tiguan 2.0t 81,000
Thank you!
Do a full system scan (scan all control modules for fault cods)... here's a wiring diagram: fkh161.ca/VW/TiguanCoolingFans.pdf Here's a TSB: fkh161.ca/VW/FanTSB.pdf Could be a faulty temperature sensor (may or may not set a fault code), could be a faulty fan module (stuck on, part of large fan).
Thank you so much thomas! Im not hardly a mechanic and am disabled, I had the car scanned, you were right with that, no codes, but my brother is an electrician and seen the diagram you sent, he can help me now. I couldn't find one piece of info on the tiguan, so this is awesome, keep up the great work!!
Dean Colvin Let me know what you guys end up finding.
Thank you , we most definitely will my friend!
Hello Thomas..update, my brother can't find engine coolant temp sensor?
Your wiring diagram showed an addition fuse box in the tiguan, which he can't locate, he (tried) explaining to me about the loop the fan(s) seem to run on. But he asked me to ask you about fuse panel 'A' location, and possibly the temp sensor?
He watched your vid, loves your setup!
Thank you Thomas, thank you for helping me!
Hi Thomas,
I have a 08 Tiguan 1.4 TSI 150BHP Tiguan with a single Radiator Fan that is running in High Speed Mode only.
The Engine Temp is normal and fan goes to full speed straight after engine start.
The Fan only seem to be available from Volkswagen at approx £550 so I'm obviously eager to investigate further before buying,
Any suggestions would be welcome,
thanks Pat
I would do a full system scan to see if anything pops-up that is related to the fans. Fan should not run all the time. I would check if it gets a command to do so, from the ECM (check for a pulse width modulated signal at the fan module). You can also use a scan tool to run fan output test... the ECM will command the fan on... starting with low speed and the fan will get faster and faster. If it just stays at high speed, the big fan / fan control module is probably bad.
Thanks Thomas,
I will have to apply a more sophisticated scan tool than my Foxwell 301 which is not showing any fault codes.
Can you tell me where the Fan module is actually located?
Thanks
Pat
Mari Donovan It should be part of the large radiator fan (the metal center section)... unless European models are different. Find someone in your area who has vag-com / vcds so you can do a full system scan & output tests.
***** Thanks again Thomas
Thank You Thomas.❤️💪
Thank you for watching!
Next time u have a Tiguan on the lift check the hose close from the electric pump there are 2 hose rubbing on each other the spring clip is wearing the hose next to it I use a tie rap to move the hose apart I notice that on Tiguan I don't know if it applies to other TSI engines ?
Thanks for the tip! You guys must be busy (no time for videos)?
Hi Thomas I have a bunch of interesting videos but I hate to edit and post them I'm not to tech savvy computers so for me it takes time just for one video .
+V10PDTDI That's what brothers are for! Time to give him the video editing jobs! :)
Hi Thomas, do you happen to have any videos for water radiator removal in Tiguan? is it much harder to do? Thank you very much!
Hi, I do not yet have a radiator removal video... sorry. However, I just checked the manual and it does not seem like there's that much more to do. Remove the fan shroud assembly, the little air duct (under my left hand at 1:29) and 2 mounting bolts on either side of the radiator. Disconnect the hoses and it should come out.
@@EXOVCDS thank u very much, ill give IT a Try!!
Hi. after just seeing your rotor replace video i kind of remember my fans havent turned on for a while now. Its very cold out here and car never got hotter but after inturn the car (2010 Tiguan Wolfsburgh Ed) the fan is supposed to run for a minute. I havemt heard it for a while.
I have Vag Com from ross tech but how do I test it? thanks
Georgi Georgiev 01 Engine, Output tests... click next to cycle through all the controlled items until the rad fan option appears (not sure if on that model a drop down menu is available for selecting the fans directly). Once the fans are activated, they will start on low speed and will speed up to high speed. if nothing happens, check the main fuse for the fans.
Thomas EXOVCDS thanks I will
Hi Thomas
I did my small fan recently and i having a question when i star the car with the ac on both fan run normally but when the car is very hot ( ac working) the small fan stop and the big one run very fast and loud for a couple of minutes at the same time ac is blowing hot air, after that big fan slow down and the small one star working again ac blowing cold for another five minutes them small fan stop big fan running fast and loud again ac blowing hot over and over. I already check fuses everything look fine coud be the temperature sensor or the fan module or both or could be the weather is very hot lately. Car isn't overheating
Thanks a lot
Year, make, model?
If it's a Pulse Width Modulated setup like in this video... the fan module (part of the large fan) controls the small fan. Replace the large fan / module. That's my best guess at this point.
Thomas EXOVCDS
Yes is the same car 2011 tiguan
Thank
Also check for any stored fault codes in any of the modules (ECM, HVAC etc).
Can i do this job with the car on ramps? I don't have a lift.
Don't know. Might be enough room when on ramps.
What are the two small tracer wires for on that harness? Trying to put this in something else. I know the two big pins are positive and negative. Thanks! Cant find anything else about these!
One is the ignition ON / wake-up wire and the other is the signal wire from the engine computer (telling the fan module how fast to spin the fans). The fan module is part of the large fan. If all you need is a radiator fan that is either on or off, this is not it.
@@EXOVCDS so you're saying I won't be able to use this with some relays? I'd need the module? I'm putting this set up in my 67 dart. Thank for the reply!
@@dylanhager8548 The fan control module is part of the large fan... the fan motors are brushless and are meant to be controlled via a PWM (pulse width modulated) signal... to attain various speeds as need be. Applying battery power & ground to the big cables will not do anything, since the fan module needs an ignition on signal as well as a PWM signal. You're better off using "regularly activated" fans (via temperature sensor & relay) like these:
www.amazon.com/s?k=radiator+fan&ref=nb_sb_noss_2
Not much run at all ! Good job!
Thomas. How to use the scan tool to test VW cooling fan?
Only if your scan tool can do it... if it's just a code reader & data viewer, you can't do it.
The scan tool needs to be able to access "output tests" or "actuator tests".
If your scan tool can not do that... use a multimeter (scope would be better) and check power and ground at the fan module... and a pulse width signal (on / off signal) from the ECM at one of the wires going to the module.
hi could you help me? I have a tiguan that is firing the fan always strong. I spent the vcds and accused radiator fan intermittent
If the ECM can not communicate with the fan module, the fan will always be on as a safety. You might have a bad fan module.
Hi thomas, do you have a video how can I drain the radiator of this type of engine ?
The radiator does not have a drain screw / valve... service info says to remove one of the radiator hoses... the lower hose is mounted a few inches higher than the lowest spot of the radiator, meaning that the bottom of the radiator will still have fluid in it. Same when draining the engine. Same service info says to remove a hose from the electric water pump... some coolant will drain out, but there will still be some coolant in the engine & heater core inside the car. Filling the system with water, running the engine for a bit and then draining again, can help mix & flush out all fluid. Use compressed air to force as much out as you can. When filling, fill with 60/40 mix coolant/water... to account for any remaining water that is in the system.
fkh161.ca/VW/TiguanCoolingSystDraining.pdf
@@EXOVCDS In the case of the tiguan 2015 the radiator have both hoses (in the left and right side) at the top, it didnt have a hose in the bottom of the radiator, thats why I cant drain the coolant of the radiator. I have all ready seen some videos of other VW engines and all of them have one of the hoses at the bottom, but the tiguan didnt have it thats why I dont know how to drain all the system.
Thanks for your help bro.
@@ErickGonzalez-ge6pl I didn't know what year your Tiguan was or what engine code it is (sticker on the timing chain cover should have a code). I can then look for other / more information.
we just do the complete unit our supplier has the whole units in stock but never the fan controller.
+Michael Berg Not sure how much digging the boss does on these... a complete unit makes sense, it's just a matter of time till the small fan will pack it in.
A little tight quarters to work in. Good job anyway.
+wysetech2000 Things seem to go OK now & then! :-)
Hey Thomas, pcv oil , haha
+Steve Rob LOL... I've been sucking back beer all day (separate story), my fingers must not have been cooperating! Good catch buddy!