When I was a young man, the local police were much different than they are today. We knew them. They handled situations on a case by case basis instead of just walking a hard line. If they knew a mill worker was prone to have too many beers after his shift, they followed him.home and made sure everyone was safe. They didn't advocate driving impaired but like I said, they considered all the facts. These police were decent, honest men who were part of the community. We had some run-ins but we respected them. They've been replaced with young, egotistical kids who enjoy power. I think this is probably the case in towns and cities all over. Punishment doesn't make someone want to be better. But help and support might.
Attended court after receiving a fine for failing to come to a complete stop at an intersection..I was 1 of 12 motorbikes...I was asked in court if I had a defence lawyer...my answer was... I dont need a defence..the officer has accused me of an offence and its up to him to present evidence to prove me guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.. I would suggest the officer new presents his video or other proof of the offence..I have 11 witnesses...case dismissed.
Thanks Aymen! my Dad was a cop for 38 years. never pulled his gun, never wrote a DUI, kept his county safe for many years. every young man he delt with are now outstanding citizens. every four years he was re-elected as county Sheriff. if drugs are legalized (and in the states it is in a lot of places) then drug users still use and the clean people still stay clean, Its a choice. If guns are outlawed, outlaws still have guns. people kill people not guns. NO this is not BS, you're right on!! never kick a man when he is down, never give a hand out, only a hand up. thanks for your words! BTW, have not missed a day of pushups twice a day and have found that 20 are easier than 5 days ago. uping the amount I do in a rep to 25 in two days I think I could easily do 25 right now but, who wants to fail. I want success!
I was told by a retired prison officer that it cost on average $135000. Pa to house, feed etc a prisoner. She said it would cost less to hire a social worker to be with a prisoner everyday to encourage them to make the right choices to help them get their life back on track.
@@richpuller1348 There is an argument to say that - you need to help yourself - not rely on others to help you. But I like to think that a helping hand - helps
I went along with a young man who was going to court, he isn’t a bad person, he has many problems in his life. We managed to avoid conviction just a fine,good outcome. What saddened me the most on the day as we sat in court was the complete lack of compassion the system has for so many who are so disadvantaged. It truly is an archaic system based on punishment, not help.
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You are spot on. Here in the States it’s not just punishment. It’s punishment AND PROFIT. A lot of private prisons who contract with the state. Here it’s called the Department of Corrections but it’s Department of Punishment. They are not correcting anything. A young man gets busted for drugs and gets a felony conviction. He pays his debt to society but can never get a decent job again because for the rest of his life there a big fat F for FELON on his back. It never goes away. That is not justice nor is it correcting. It’s a life sentence. It’s wrong. But the the lawyers get rich and the state gets more money to misappropriate. Corrupt. We’ve all screwed up only some were lucky enough to not get caught. Great video.
I’m pretty passionate about the state of the legal system and our laws. It has recently been alleged that I was speeding (101 in a 60 zone). This was on a 400m stretch of straight road way out of town in the middle of a mountain road drive. I have gps tracking that gives location and time but no speed. It’s pretty easy to work out though. I was averaging 62 on that stretch of road. I spoke to several lawyers and they said just pay the fine and apply for a special hardship order. In Queensland 40+ over is a 6 month suspension. The SHO grants me permission to drive for work under strict conditions. That will cost me just shy of $3,000 on top of the $1650 fine. If my car or bike was registered to a business, the fine would be 5 times that amount. Now the thing that really burns my piss is they say it’s a road safety camera, but let’s be real, it’s not about safety. That camera did not change my riding habits at all on the day. In fact, it was 2 or 3 weeks before I got the horrid letter in the mail. If what I was doing was so bad, why not stop me and give me a ticket on the spot. It would have absolutely changed how I rode. Now the other part of this is I asked for the calibration certificate and was told I would have to lodge a freedom of information request to get that. It’s absolute madness.
Thank you. This is exactly the type of thing I am talking about - peoples lives wrecked in the name of taxation under the guise of "safety" It only happens because no one complains and it's "easier" to just pay.
@@OldNotDead-Club unfortunately I’m a bastard that doesn’t like injustice, incompetence, or illogical nonsense. I’ve hit all three on this one so I’m going a whole heap of background research to work out what the hell is going on here and will make a video or something. I work in safety and to say speed cameras are a safety device is absolute bullshit. They know they can catch people on that road (the cop had to be doing his best American sniper impression hiding up in the bushes where nobody would see him). If they were serious about safety, they’d put in engineering controls like a chicane or speed bumps. Shit, if they just put a sign up saying speed camera in operation, people will 100% slow down.
The reality is, these rotten politicians piss in our pocket to vote for them every 3 to 4 years and in doing so, it recalibrates their authority to rob us financially, through, unmandated Laws/Rules/ and Taxation/Fines. When people complain, the same politicians whom we vote for, attack us through the police where many of them are trigger happy scum. They keep saying, we live under a Democratic system but take a step back in time and have a look at the disgraceful way Dan Andrews treated Victorians during the forced lockdowns. One would have to say his style of governance is akin to Communist Rule. And then the police wonder why people hate them.
@@OldNotDead-Club NSW have empowered the Macquarie Bank to own and operate speed camera detection equipment on NSW roads their employees are not cops. yet the Government maintains this is legal as the NSW Police Commisssioner certifies those people to operate speed detection devices on NSW Roads..as per the mandate applied for the use of such devices. The Macquarie bank therefore earns revenue for supply and operation. Speeding is big business.
Might get hate for this but that guy who lost his license for drink driving and got caught again, he got what he deserved….. I lost a friend due to a drink driver about 20 years ago…… he got 15 years, so he’s out and I’m still without my friend. Only thing I have a problem with the government is that bloody word TAX😡 I own a small business and these days with a cashless society, I have to declare everything and that hurts…. The harder I work the more tax I pay… End rant 😢 Cheers Amon🍺
There is no hate here. Not one would suggest that we allow drink drivers on the roads. My point is these people need help not more hardship. They are drinking because of their problems not to irritate the community
@@OldNotDead-Club100% understand where you’re coming from👍 A friend of mine lost his job due to playing a didgeridoo on his lunch break , he unfortunately wolf whistled at a female walking past. She reported him and lost his job…. He went through a rough few years after that and instead of educating him on right from wrong, they told him to F-off….
@@chilligoz Yeah that's exactly the type of thing I'm talking about -- that's crazy ... and all people can say when they hear these things is "he shouldn't have done it" FFS they can't see the punishment is out of proportion.
Thank you for sharing this. That was so well said and thought out. We share the same perspective and sentiments and most of my friends here in BC and across Canada do as well. Keeping the shiny side up. 🤙🏻😎
Hi Amon, it was nice meeting you today at Naked Racer. Loved this video. It would be great if you did more videos on this topic; particularly in relation to fighting traffic "offences" and success stories.
You generally cannot fight a traffic ticket, however you can make the outcome sweeter than if yo just plead guilty. If you fight, you lose and are back to square one and will pay full price.
I appreciate your perspective. I think the police should work for the people. Not against the people. 8 out of every 10 signs on the road are the government telling us what we cannot do. I think that’s ridiculous.
At the risk of getting shot down, I was a police officer in the UK for 30 years and whilst I do agree that the justice system and the way it is implemented is very wrong, I would say it is perhaps idealistic to expect “certain” members of society to abide by certain basic rules by which most people would choose to live their lives by. The idea of justice is that it is fair and applied fairly, I totally accept that this does not happen, laws are made by politicians and are generally to protect themselves and their way of thinking and living not the whole of society. Laws are enforced by the justice system which if it represents society is operated by people who are good, bad or average at what they do. Numerous laws and rules are just plain stupid and wrong but to visit your drink/drug driver, the question is how do you stop them driving whist under the influence? I don’t know the answer to that but perhaps an education combined with punishment approach is best. I have dealt with a couple of drink involved fatalities and certainly everything has to be done to stop that also I have had to inform parents or spouses that their child or partners has been killed by a drink driver. So what I’m trying to say is there are lots of things not working with society, lots of questions that need answers but maybe the wrong people (politicians) are answering them.
Very thought provoking, I see quite a few people get plenty of breaks , warnings, etc but a lot just don't appreciate it and keep doing dumb stuff, maybe community service instead of fines would be better for all as it wouldn't make someones financial situation worse. Sometimes prison is one of the best places to get help (getting clean, learning a skill etc) as one other comment confirmed. Where I completely agree is that many men get destroyed unfairly in the family court losing so much in a divorce , and losing custody of their kids, I don't know how you come back from that, it's heavily weighted against men.You've made me think now, cheers
Cann I ask please, is this based on your experience as a lawyer or as an offender, would like to know why you think its an absolute joke and please, looking for facts not BS “they let all the crimes go free” type of statement as I am doing research for Uni, thanks in advance Cheers
@@davesunderland1026 if you need it explained to you or you’re to blind to see what happens then that’s your problem. I’m not even going to waste my time.
Love your videos man! I live in the states and just got my first Harley 2010 iron 883 with the 1200 screaming eagle kit. Love it! Thanks for all the great content. I need to start to remember to like yiur videos!
I have just watched this video and think all people need help at times as do people who make mistakes. But how often do you hear of someone who is a repeat drunk or drug driving offender in court and they take no notice of repeat warnings and then go on and kill innocent people in motor accidents. I think the systems not perfect but it's to hard to cater for all. PS I'm a big fan of your channel please keep up the good work. Cheers Brian
Thanks Brian, there's no easy solution, in particular for the short term. What you say is correct and this needs to also be considered in any action/change
The system is definitely not perfect but some times it works! I worked for me I was addicted to drugs for years. One day it all caught up to me and I won a all expense 3 1/2 year paid vacation. That allowed me to get clean for the first time I was able to figure out who I really was ! When I got out I hit the ground running and never looked back! It’s a wonderful thing to be clean . And yes I agree we should be trying to help people unfortunately there are some who just don’t want it! But that doesn’t mean we should stop trying 😊
Send all the junkies to prison for 5 yrs to clean them up. If they dont clean up send them back. Im good with this. Problem , Liberal cities are going bankrupt. Cant afford to charge, convict and house low level criminals. This is why drug laws keep getting relaxed. Drug addiction will skyrocket and so will crime.
Brother you touched on so many key points of truth and common sense that needs to be established back into some form of common-unity without morally corrupted officials running the show and punishing and shaming those less fortunate - some lines you don't cross, that's why we have laws, but all laws stem from societal morality and respect for your fellow man by standing in honour and integrity - if you can't stay within this mental confine then you may just deserve some form of corrective measure, whatever that may be, we can do a whole lot better than filling prisons and institutions and banking off petty crimes (broken ACTS) that's for sure....... Respect Mate
I agree the justice system is very disfunctional. It also used to be the police were to serve the people now more than ever they serve the government. On the point of of drunk driving or under the influence, I believe in strict laws. A vehicle driven by someone under the influence is almost like someone in a park shooting his gun wildly with no aim. If that happened we wouldn’t be driving him or her home. Lot of families have been wiped out by drunk drivers. But I agree it seems every time you turn around there is a new law or regulation that just puts so many restrictions on people and businesses alike that it’s almost impossible to breathe. I could go on…but I will spare you. I like your vids, they make you think and ask,questions. Always a good thing.
My brother got done riding unregistered bike, Went to court. Wore my suit. Previous guy was wearing t shirt winning blues under sleeve. Said yep/ na and swore. 3rd offence got 3mths disqualification and $1000 fine. My brother said yes/ no your homour Pleaded guilty ,said he did the wrong thing, got $300 fine and no riding 48 hours.
Agree with you Aymen, for the most part, but I wonder about those who simply don’t care about others on the road. About 15 years ago, a workmate, in his forties, shocked me when he remarked casually that; the Third time he lost his license for DUI, he got X amount of fines, etc. Now I don’t drive or ride like Grandpa who keeps under the speed limit ALL the time, but in half a century of driving and riding, I’ve never lost my license. I lost my Mum when I was 12 in a single car accident and I know that has something to do with how I drive and ride. I have a healthy respect for what incredible damage road trauma can lead lead to, so for my own health and safety as well as that of others, I try to make sure I don’t put myself in a position where this is a possibility. I know about hardship and I’m regarded as a bit of a softy because I tend to put myself in other peoples’ shoes. (Perhaps too much, but that’s debatable) All that said, I do feel that people who don’t care about possible consequences of their actions do actually need some kind of punishment for them. I have a great deal of sympathy for people who are struggling (having gone through struggles myself) but there are some people who don’t and their careless disregard for the health and safety of others just puts them outside of such sympathy. I had a young guy tell me once that life is so tough that he saw nothing wrong with breaking into peoples homes and stealing whatever he could lay his hands on. I told him if he was to steal my bike, his life would be in serious danger of ending, because my sympathies don’t stretch that far. He thought that was unfair. I don’t. There are always consequences for our own actions.
There is no doubt we need some form of protection from some people. My point is simply many people need help not punishment. By giving someone a $500 fine when they cant afford it (which happens all day long) is ridiculous and is one of the things that hurts society in the long term.
I got a speeding fine a while back for doing 79 in a 70 zone, this street is one iv been driving on for over 20 years ... One night a kid decides to push his new car too far and rolls it and ends up paying the price unfortunately. The reaction to that crash was to drop the speed limit from 80 to 70... Boys in blue couldnt really give me an answer when i asked why i was being fined for doing something that has been deemed safe for well over 20 years but now isnt because of a high speed crash??? Wearing a whole in my head from scratching it too hard trying to figure all this backwards bs out
Obviously a different situation but it wasn’t that long ago that people who have certain mental/physical health conditions were locked away as if to be punished and that didn’t work either and thankfully things are changing drastically there, I am in agreement with you and others as it’s not just a one answer fits all situations and also agree that no one seems to give a fuck … I am a Support Worker and have and do work with people who became career criminals due to minor incidents that could very well have changed the direction of that persons life with help Love the channel mate
Amon, a little advice to those in the States (since I have I have no experience in AU.) Before you get close to your court date, arrange a meeting with the DA and at that meeting negotiate a compromise between what the charge is and what the State will allow. Every DA has a matrix regarding the charge and the leway they have to drop the charge, lessen the charge or even change the charge. All they are interested in is getting the money that the initial charge would cost you. So if you lets say you have a speeding ticket for 13mph over the posted speed, they can reduce it to 9 over. (less points in the point system but they get the same cash. Or they could change the ticket to unreasonable speed which has no points but charges the same cash. Alsays talk to the DA or ADA (assistand DA) before court, nothing to lose. If they won't work with you, do the Dom profile in court, be the finest dressed person in the court. It shows respect and that you are not a low life. The judge will be pleased.
It’s a difficult one. In my opinion the area between punishment and the alternative is too grey, and therefore there would be far too many circumstances where the incorrect method was applied… this is for more serious crimes. Lesser crimes such as minor traffic offences, well that’s just revenue raising and creating far more aggravation. If you removed punishment, irrespective of whether it should be applied or not, chaos would emerge and run rampant. There needs to be common sense and a balance between punishment and assistance… good luck getting that right though.
I think you are right in most of what you say. It's complicated and needs a long term gradual approach. What we do now doesn't work so there must be something better.
Laws definitely need to change here in the U.S. Auto drivers regular kill Bikers in traffic accidents and get nothing more than a Traffic ticket for it. Meanwhile family's are completely destroyed... Sad situation
@Old Not Dead hence, A-Holes like that are the main reason I no longer work in that field. Made me SICK, trying to help folk, do a good job n not get ur ass shot off, then dealing w mental cases in ur own damn work space at same time...TOXIC
You need to support people like Thomas Sewell if that's the government you want. It's not entirely about their message but rather the way they they are treated simply for holding the beliefs they do. If they're fair play to silence, give it a minute, you'll be next.
When I was young I used to drink a lot, and twice the cops brought me even home in their cop car. Driving drunk meant then a slap on the wrist, no driving for 12 or 14 hours and losing your driving license for a week.
The Justice System and many other Systems , Government , Bureaucracy , etc take the easy way out . Helping people out of Poverty etc requires work and Intelligent people to set up a new System ; easier to leave things as they are . It will never change . The CCP might inflict a different system upon us .
I was only talking about this the other day, decriminalisation of drugs would be the best thing they could, control it’s distribution, get ride of 80% of crime, make it less cool to do it etc etc etc, prohibition doesn’t and hasn’t ever worked
Here in America weve got a mess on our hands. Never mind speeders and drunks. How about killers and rapists getting a slap on the wrist by our "justice system". You take your life in your hands by going into our larger cities while police depts. are defunded and overworked. All the wrong people are in charge but, what can we expect? This is how it is supposed to be in the end times.
I got parking ticket for "Not Backing" onto parking space? No signs to indicate need too back in. So I took pictures of parking space an no instructional signs. City sent back letter telling me, I'm still guilty, but city with only charge me half fine, for city not having signs to indicate requirements!? WTF! Are drivers needing to be mind readers to city requirements? An is city just revenue gathering? Both unjustified!
Here in the U.S.A. and more so in Texas we have a two tier (not officially) system of justice. One for the more affluent and low on skin pigmentation and one for the rest of the citizens, poor or people of color. Those in the first category either totally get a pass or when they go to court, they buy their way out with a good attorney or are given leniency do to their status. The second category get arrested with no mercy and sometimes just because of the status listed above. My kids are mixed race and my son, because he played 100 soccer games a year became quite tanned. I saw this two tier system in action with him when it came to law enforcement and at school. It became even worse under the former President that promoted "othering" people that were poor or different. I could write more but I think you get the point. Enough said!
Let me also add that I am 53 from the US and appreciate what you do for riders, particularly guys over 50, to get them to wake up and stay in shape and take of themselves physically and mentally. The suicide stats for men 50+ are alarming and I had 1 lost 1 friend already to this a couple years ago (he was 57, I was 49). Didn't realize until I was in my 50's how suicidal thoughts can creep up as a solution to one's problems. It's tragic. Thank you for talking about it. 👊
Being an Ex-officer, I'm not happy with the system. I wanted to help my community and tried to do my job to the best of my ability. Our system is very broken and revenue is key. Many officers I worked with were like minded and wanted to support and help our community. There needs to be a line, but where do you draw it? Who should make that decision? If the police kept helping this drink driver get home safe and sound but one day don't catch him and he kills someone, taking an innocent persons life and destroying their family, who do you blame? I don't want to say "It's Ok, you keep drink driving and we will keep letting you do it and help you until you hurt or kill someone" or help this person in other ways that are too many to list here. Basicly I believe, Rules and Laws are only made for the people that follow them, the rest don't give a rats. Just be better to one another, treat people with respect and live your life. Ride safe :)
I'm amused with the terminology of mobile safety cameras as to where these clowns park is not in a safe spot it creates a distraction,hence definition of safety. I call them revenue cameras.
Out here pot is legal to use in the privacy of your own home. Yet driving a moter vehicle on public streets or operating machinery light or heavy is prohibited by common Seneca and law.
Just subscribed to your channel..Love the topic and comments..I believe punishment should fit the crime. Like you said, with regard to serious criminals need to be dealt with or put away.
The system is designed to intimidate the very people it's meant to protect. If you've got money, you're fine. What effect can a fine have, weeks after the fact, that I can pay in instalments or on a credit card. It's purely revenue raising. Maybe the fine should be indexed to income?
What drugs do you think legalising will result in such a massive reduction in crime that police won't be needed? Surely you're not suggesting legalising ice, which is a major factor in violent crime. I agree that traffic laws and mandatory/set fines are not effective, but for other (actual) crimes like burglary, which has a major impact on the victims, often results in extremely lenient consequences from the court. I think you'd be surprised at the amount of referrals/programs provided to people by the court and police. But anyhow, the bike/car show looked great and as usual, whether we agree to disagree with your comments, you provide a great vlog that makes people think. Keep up the good work.
I can't nominate individual drugs - Im not a drug taker. My understanding is that the impurities in each drug is what causes harm and the drug is "just" addictive. I think it would be better to control drugs and allow them - it takes the mystique out of them and enables people to get the help they need. Burglaries are often just to fuel a drug habit and addicts could be supplied for free until they are helped.
Driving is a privilege! Call me an idiot if you want to. If it was a right, then the government could NOT take away your license. It would also be in the constitution. Here in the USA driving is a privilege.
One year later I myself only found your lovely channel in the last month as of July 2024. I am in America, are system is somewhat the same, I too was in the same situation years ago (only man in a suit with sometimes an without a lawyer) regular traffic court etc. I 100% agree with you and I understand what you are saying, rich or poor the system needs to be fixed. I know the problem is God, America is losing trust in God or there faith amd do not follow His Commandments. The devil is real and the path is very narrow, very few as we can see are taking it. ✝️✌💜
It’s just a big money grab, I had occasion to sit in a court room and seemed like I was one of the few there that could actually pay the fine without any pain. Mostly very poor minorities there who can’t afford the fines or lawyer to help. Basically, if you have enough money you can get away with the same petty crimes these poor folks cannot.
The sad part is, having been a law enforcement, is a lot of these people give a very good sob story, but their behaviors can kill. It's a very difficult decision on what is too much and too little punishment when dealing with the courts. The judges are human and very differently in their approach and. That is Life on life's terms, it's all this are better at dealing with those that others. Like your videos and you do a great job in talking about your opinions. I am a subscriber
sorry for the errors in my comments. I was using a voice recognition function and it not accurate. Please keep up your content. I live in the USA and also watch Million Dollar Bogan, but I like your videos as much if not more. I am 65 years old and ride a Road King. I was one of those who hated Harley and road sports bike when I was young. Then I met a woman who road a Road King so I bought one, and now it is my favorite bike ever. I live in Sydney for about 6 months when I was 27 and miss the people down there. Hopefully some day I will make it back down under.
It’s a shame that some police don’t have a more common sense approach- it’s not all. It is a shame that the judicial system isn’t based upon more common sense and best results. So much of it is antiquated. I live in England and a lot of speed restrictions have been reduced even more in the last 5 or so years - is this because it’s a bunch of old farts making the law who no longer feel safe doing 60 or 70 themselves so impose a limit lower on all when perhaps they should look harder at the situation and maybe retain or not drive themselves! Live the videos- great Mia of humour, thought prover-cation and awesome bike and car shots. The video inverts of Mad Max and LOB (life of Brian no load of Bollox) were inspired - just what I thought at the time. Keep it up 😊🤜👍 As for the police person who was provoking you shame on him and shame on his partner for not calling him out on it - evil triumphs while good men stand and do nothing.
I understand where your coming from, but on the other hand if they start relaxing the system you’ll have nothing but disaster, look whats happening here in the states, this defund the police movement has done nothing but create total disaster, crime is through the roof!!😢 The drunk driver needs punishment, I’m sorry to many drunk drivers kill innocent people, in fact I think the judge should have given him some jail time, I understand his life may not have gone the way he had hoped, but dam it don’t get behind the wheel of a car, you want to drink your sorrows away fine, just don’t get behind the wheel, his kids need him, suck it up and get on with your life, I have no compassion for drunk drivers or drivers under the influence of drugs.
Thanks I dont suggest relaxing the system - half hearted wont work. We need a new system. Im not advocating allowing / encouraging people to drink / drug drive. I'm saying they have a problem that needs to be fixed and punishment won't help the underlying problem.
I grew up in a place that was pretty much like the Wild West. Really…. I’m not exaggerating much. When I came to Europe, I simply didn’t notice traffic signs, but somehow I managed not to kill myself. My wife never understood that, but I think that the lack of rules, actually strengthens your common sense and you just kinda know. I don’t wanna live in that insane place and time I was born, but I think we’ve gone too far. There’s now 1000 rules for things that used to be obvious and some of them don’t always make sense. Fortunately I live now in a place that was occupied by the nazis and then behind the iron curtain, so the older generations still remember that not every law is necessary right and behave like sensible humans….. including the cops. But many of the young people are more and more like trained monkeys, unfortunately.
Unfortunately I have a person in our family that continually does the wrong thing and we as family members have to constantly pay for her mistakes. How many times can someone get away with doing serious offences. I agree with a lot of what you are saying but allowing people and or the government to sell drugs will definitely not fix a drug problem and only increase a hospital problem. You ask why, because no matter how many opportunity you give to some people the outcome will be the say... Drugs affect all families rich and poor.. Equal opportunity does not mean equal outcome... No matter how much you give some people they will be cu#ts, so what's next... The fantasy world that you would like will never exist. Laws only apply to law abiding citizens. The average Joe blow that's goes to works and pays his taxes.. Those that don't give a F simply don't give a F.
I get your point but I am saying the deeper problem needs to be addressed - ie why are they doing this? I'm not suggesting a 2 min fix this is a very complex problem that can only be fixed with proper good intent to help people not political grand standing - which is all I see from our politicians
@@OldNotDead-Club I agree with the government only looking after itself and the police basically the armed forces of the government. But as I said not matter what opportunities some people are given the outcome will be the same, and to allow or not punish drug or alcohol affected drivers that may go on to kill someone innocent... As for the speed issue that is truly over the top punishment that at time does not fit the offence. Eg entering a freeway on a motorcycle and finding yourself side by side or directly behind a 18 wheeler is not where I will sit for any amout of time and a quick squirt of the throttle to clear the truck is what I will be doing which of course means I could be over the 100k speed limit for a few seconds.. I believe speeding and going over the speed limits are two different things. 100kph in a 50k zone is definitely speeding 55 in a 50 zone is going over the speed limit..It would seem that some speed limits on some roads are there to frustrate drivers to no end.... The amount of new speed limit signs on roads, all reduced speeds are out of control. Cars and motorcycles of today all have better brakes, abs brakes better tires and better suspension with more safety air bags than before yet we are driving slower not faster...
@@OldNotDead-Club agreed, for the police it's a black and white situation with no context and zero excuses. They will always try and get you to Self-incrimination in the way the ask you questions.. "do you know what speed you were doing"
I started driving about two years before I was eligible for an Illinois’ Driver’s License. A week after I got my Driver’s License, I got a speeding ticket. My dad suggested that I plead guilty and try to convince the Judge to be lenient. OK, got to court and at the check-in desk I pleaded guilty. Signed the paperwork and was told to go to the cashier and pay the fine! Go figure! The next speeding ticket I pleaded not guilty. While waiting to be called before the Judge, the bailiff called out about ten names including me. We were asked it we were willing to watch a movie and have the ticket expunged. Needless to say, watched the movie and then told my dad if he ever got a ticket plead not guilty!
Problem with that would be DUI stops these people are repeat offenders over and over and over again. Should we leave them on the roads until they kill somebody? Or take them off the road all together and eliminate the problem then they could go get themselves help
enjoy the channel, great topics. Im calling BS on this however, seems like Australia is the same as Canada in looking the other way on o issues caused by people themselves . I agree some laws are a way to punishing and is a form of taxation. The tax payer Cant solve everybody's problems.
Thanks glad you enjoy the channel. Yes the state of Victoria here in Oz is exactly like Canada and California - look at the background of the three leaders. I'm only saying people need help and they don't have it - not everyone is capable and people have "down" periods. I am not suggesting letting the community go feral.
How many chances are we supposed to give those who drive under the influence? We, especially those of us on motorcycles, risk our lives with the average driver as it is so I don't see why we should add to that risk by allowing those who are blasé about their drug or alcohol use to be on the road next to us, I sure as hell don’t want these selfish a-holes driving near me. I don’t see why we should have to suffer because the "user" thinks they should be given more chances than they deserve. As to the male-female motorcycles, I’d say the one on the right (when facing the road) is the female because of the shorter ape hangers?
Amon (sp) You’ve worked in this field so what do you suggest? If (for example) someone is a drug or alcohol abuser because of what happened to them in the past this will always be there you’re not fixing that, those people are broken and their problems can’t be fixed, only minimised or suppressed. CPTSD is permanent brain damage and is not going to be undone with clichés like, “just forget the past” or “move on” etc so. I’ve been carrying “issues” with me for close to fifty years and the level of hate and anger I have inside me towards specific people is chilling, but at the same time I’m not on the road with a gut full of suds or off my face bearing down on some other road user because I’m “having a bad day” People need to take responsibility for their behaviour especially when it puts others at risk, there are many government and private agencies that offer some sort of help aren’t there and yes I do understand a lot of them are next to worthless, so again I ask, what do you suggest? Thanks @@OldNotDead-Club
@@LJS01 thanks, many people carry emotional pain from past experiences and there are a few different ways to heal (to complex for comments here) so help/healing etc is possible if someone wants it. It's not about supressing or burying the emotion - you literally have to remove it. I'm not suggesting people shouldn't be responsible - lets say we fine a heroin addict - he will still be an addict who now needs to steal more to pay the fine. Here families are being fined enormous sums (relative to their meagre income) for minor indiscretions - the fines and punishment far outweigh the rule they break. All it means is someones children don't get food. It's easy to say "dont do it again" but this assumes alot about peoples nature and ability which is not true for a large portion of the population. Fines and punishments usually don't work - just look at the world now lol.
When you were intercepted by Police, do you think you made your situation better or worse? Essentially do you take any responsibility for the outcome or is this a simple case of the system working against you?
Thanks for commenting. It's obviously my fault. But even if I'm an a#hole (which I'm not and wasn't) they are professionals and have a duty to act accordingly. BUT the video is about justice and I don't believe making peoples lives more difficult is justice. (irrespective of who is at fault) Most people are doing the best they can and a system of punishment for victimless breaking of regulations (not crimes) is stupid (in my not so humble opinion)
@@OldNotDead-Club Cheers mate - and this is not having a go. I wonder how people reflect on these things after the fact. No one likes being told "No" am I right? And so getting in trouble so to speak in the manner in which you did may feel demeaning. Not unlike when we were little kids getting in trouble etc. Now that we're grown men with grown men ego's these things don't sit as nicely. Not everyone will agree with the justice system and the way in which it's managed by all levels of the judiciary, I don't think anyone professes that it's without fault. However, if you're not part of the solution - you're part of the .........? Stay safe, stay upright.
Thanks, there are many opinions on this. I have got solutions but that's for another channel... I am also part of the problem. I don't feel demeaned at all - i understand the laws and I understand enforcers are only doing their jobs - and I believe they are necessary. It's the law and Gov that needs reform. This was my point in the first part of the video. Where does their job finish? What's really necessary and whats really just tax collection? Here in Vic we have just witnessed the enforcers being turned on the people - by the Gov. Now they (enforcers) are having trouble recruiting? I have never in my life seen so many "normal" family men, business owners and people turn against the Gov and lose complete respect for the enforcers. This spells long term trouble for everyone. (I am deliberately calling them enforcers)
As I see everyone is driving on the wrong side of the road. Your in Europe. Ok across the pond here in the US. Everyone has an arras hole, just some are bigger than others n some have badges.
I'm better than most people and have the right to have a little more than anyone else and have the right to be treated better than everyone else and should have more rights and privileges than everyone else. LOL!!!
the answer to your question about the gender of the CVO motorcycle street glides the male road glides the female also the justice system what I personally think is while I beleave people do need punishment to learn there lesson the justice system should be trying to get them the help they need in order to not repeat what they did to get that punishment
Here in USA NJ the car insurance are high if unfortunately got an accident that were proved your were guilty the car insurance became so high you may can not pay your mortgage any more couples lose their homes cause a car accident the car is financed the house is financed plus food and kids 😬 is hard….. cause an accident you ruined everything 🤔 insurance company’s are the most richest companies 🤔 they share data with each other’s it stays on you driving record for long time😬
Thanks -- that's what "they" say, it's a privilege. The reason there are literally 10's of thousands of unlicensed drivers, driving around Melbourne (let alone everywhere else) is that people need a way to get around to earn a living. If they are going to take the "privilege" away they should pay people their salary to stay at home or make public transport practical / usable. They literally do not care what happens to people.
Aiman,(sp), there isn't a mean bone in your body, So I'm thinking that the cop that was eye balling you was indeed a " f-wad". If You'd been in your suit, (With Chaps on), when the two of them pulled you over, ... the end story would have been ... " Thanks for your cooperation Aiman, this is just a warning, ... keep it under the posted please", ... "You're free to go...." ( Your story being that the car's broke, Wife has the Flu, and I'm a tad late for a meeting at the office, so I took my Bike... etc....).... We all "Dress the Part", be it financial or insitu... by this I refer to coveralls when on the job..... or sporting our leathers/colors, when we ride,.... or just our lack of proper appearance due to fiscal issues. With that cop, I think first impressions were driving his "lizard brain" instead of common sense .... and if you hadn't tried to "figure-out what his testosterone levels were under his 20 #'s of beer fat", ( lol ), the whole occurrence would have been moot. and the cop doing the paper work would have told you to skedaddle. As for the justice system, the current laws are still from the 1800's or prior, (we all know that), but whom or better yet... which governance is going to step up to the plate to make the changes for the better. Stay Safe
The systems not great bit a lot better than other countries. Cops are ok although you can get some having a bad day. It is not easy for Cops. Having to deal with cons and other riff raff. Of course if you confront a Cop and try to intimidate then you should expect trouble.
Make drugs legal but if you take your whip off the health system I believe in that and the cops won’t make money bringing it in from the top off Queensland 😂
Very well said, indeed this place is almost designed as a slave trap to extract as much pain and missory out of the occupants/prisoners here almost as if something was feeding on it and this is a farm of sorts. I came across this channel whilst researching near death experiances and this guy has some interesting perspectives you may like to have a look at - ua-cam.com/video/WTIVZU24Gt0/v-deo.html
When I was a young man, the local police were much different than they are today. We knew them. They handled situations on a case by case basis instead of just walking a hard line. If they knew a mill worker was prone to have too many beers after his shift, they followed him.home and made sure everyone was safe. They didn't advocate driving impaired but like I said, they considered all the facts. These police were decent, honest men who were part of the community. We had some run-ins but we respected them.
They've been replaced with young, egotistical kids who enjoy power. I think this is probably the case in towns and cities all over.
Punishment doesn't make someone want to be better. But help and support might.
Thanks I agree and can say I have a similar experience
Attended court after receiving a fine for failing to come to a complete stop at an intersection..I was 1 of 12 motorbikes...I was asked in court if I had a defence lawyer...my answer was... I dont need a defence..the officer has accused me of an offence and its up to him to present evidence to prove me guilty beyond a reasonable doubt.. I would suggest the officer new presents his video or other proof of the offence..I have 11 witnesses...case dismissed.
LOL, that's a great outcome - well done!
Darren Brooks::: Brilliant.
Thanks Aymen! my Dad was a cop for 38 years. never pulled his gun, never wrote a DUI, kept his county safe for many years. every young man he delt with are now outstanding citizens. every four years he was re-elected as county Sheriff.
if drugs are legalized (and in the states it is in a lot of places) then drug users still use and the clean people still stay clean, Its a choice. If guns are outlawed, outlaws still have guns.
people kill people not guns.
NO this is not BS, you're right on!! never kick a man when he is down, never give a hand out, only a hand up.
thanks for your words!
BTW, have not missed a day of pushups twice a day and have found that 20 are easier than 5 days ago. uping the amount I do in a rep to 25 in two days
I think I could easily do 25 right now but, who wants to fail. I want success!
Thanks for your support and great work on the pushups!!
I was told by a retired prison officer that it cost on average $135000. Pa to house, feed etc a prisoner. She said it would cost less to hire a social worker to be with a prisoner everyday to encourage them to make the right choices to help them get their life back on track.
Thanks, that doesn't surprise me at all. That's one of the reasons I say it's deliberate - but that rabbit hole is not for this channel
She only made one mistake. These people cannot be helped. Drug addiction is the outer layer of the onion.
@@richpuller1348 There is an argument to say that - you need to help yourself - not rely on others to help you. But I like to think that a helping hand - helps
I went along with a young man who was going to court, he isn’t a bad person, he has many problems in his life. We managed to avoid conviction just a fine,good outcome. What saddened me the most on the day as we sat in court was the complete lack of compassion the system has for so many who are so disadvantaged. It truly is an archaic system based on punishment, not help.
Agree 100%
It's not a justice system, because Justice is Just. It is a legal system and a tax system.
Thank you spot on!
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It's a revenue raising society & I 💯% agree with you
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That's sometimes true mate
You are spot on. Here in the States it’s not just punishment. It’s punishment AND PROFIT. A lot of private prisons who contract with the state. Here it’s called the Department of Corrections but it’s Department of Punishment. They are not correcting anything. A young man gets busted for drugs and gets a felony conviction. He pays his debt to society but can never get a decent job again because for the rest of his life there a big fat F for FELON on his back. It never goes away. That is not justice nor is it correcting. It’s a life sentence. It’s wrong. But the the lawyers get rich and the state gets more money to misappropriate. Corrupt. We’ve all screwed up only some were lucky enough to not get caught. Great video.
Thank you, great comment
It boils down to revenue enhancement and roadside extortion.
Spot on!
I’m pretty passionate about the state of the legal system and our laws. It has recently been alleged that I was speeding (101 in a 60 zone). This was on a 400m stretch of straight road way out of town in the middle of a mountain road drive. I have gps tracking that gives location and time but no speed. It’s pretty easy to work out though. I was averaging 62 on that stretch of road. I spoke to several lawyers and they said just pay the fine and apply for a special hardship order. In Queensland 40+ over is a 6 month suspension. The SHO grants me permission to drive for work under strict conditions. That will cost me just shy of $3,000 on top of the $1650 fine. If my car or bike was registered to a business, the fine would be 5 times that amount.
Now the thing that really burns my piss is they say it’s a road safety camera, but let’s be real, it’s not about safety. That camera did not change my riding habits at all on the day. In fact, it was 2 or 3 weeks before I got the horrid letter in the mail. If what I was doing was so bad, why not stop me and give me a ticket on the spot. It would have absolutely changed how I rode.
Now the other part of this is I asked for the calibration certificate and was told I would have to lodge a freedom of information request to get that. It’s absolute madness.
Thank you. This is exactly the type of thing I am talking about - peoples lives wrecked in the name of taxation under the guise of "safety" It only happens because no one complains and it's "easier" to just pay.
@@OldNotDead-Club unfortunately I’m a bastard that doesn’t like injustice, incompetence, or illogical nonsense. I’ve hit all three on this one so I’m going a whole heap of background research to work out what the hell is going on here and will make a video or something. I work in safety and to say speed cameras are a safety device is absolute bullshit. They know they can catch people on that road (the cop had to be doing his best American sniper impression hiding up in the bushes where nobody would see him). If they were serious about safety, they’d put in engineering controls like a chicane or speed bumps. Shit, if they just put a sign up saying speed camera in operation, people will 100% slow down.
@@D1cko888 I agree with you - if it was safety they would do different things
The reality is, these rotten politicians piss in our pocket to vote for them every 3 to 4 years and in doing so, it recalibrates their authority to rob us financially, through, unmandated Laws/Rules/ and Taxation/Fines.
When people complain, the same politicians whom we vote for, attack us through the police where many of them are trigger happy scum.
They keep saying, we live under a Democratic system but take a step back in time and have a look at the disgraceful way Dan Andrews treated Victorians during the forced lockdowns. One would have to say his style of governance is akin to Communist Rule.
And then the police wonder why people hate them.
@@OldNotDead-Club NSW have empowered the Macquarie Bank to own and operate speed camera detection equipment on NSW roads their employees are not cops. yet the Government maintains this is legal as the NSW Police Commisssioner certifies those people to operate speed detection devices on NSW Roads..as per the mandate applied for the use of such devices. The Macquarie bank therefore earns revenue for supply and operation. Speeding is big business.
Might get hate for this but that guy who lost his license for drink driving and got caught again, he got what he deserved…..
I lost a friend due to a drink driver about 20 years ago…… he got 15 years, so he’s out and I’m still without my friend.
Only thing I have a problem with the government is that bloody word TAX😡
I own a small business and these days with a cashless society, I have to declare everything and that hurts…. The harder I work the more tax I pay…
End rant 😢
Cheers Amon🍺
There is no hate here. Not one would suggest that we allow drink drivers on the roads. My point is these people need help not more hardship. They are drinking because of their problems not to irritate the community
@@OldNotDead-Club100% understand where you’re coming from👍
A friend of mine lost his job due to playing a didgeridoo on his lunch break , he unfortunately wolf whistled at a female walking past.
She reported him and lost his job….
He went through a rough few years after that and instead of educating him on right from wrong, they told him to F-off….
@@chilligoz Yeah that's exactly the type of thing I'm talking about -- that's crazy ... and all people can say when they hear these things is "he shouldn't have done it" FFS they can't see the punishment is out of proportion.
Thank you for sharing this. That was so well said and thought out. We share the same perspective and sentiments and most of my friends here in BC and across Canada do as well. Keeping the shiny side up. 🤙🏻😎
Thank you
Hi Amon, it was nice meeting you today at Naked Racer.
Loved this video.
It would be great if you did more videos on this topic; particularly in relation to fighting traffic "offences" and success stories.
Thanks for saying hello, I will do my best
You generally cannot fight a traffic ticket, however you can make the outcome sweeter than if yo just plead guilty. If you fight, you lose and are back to square one and will pay full price.
I appreciate your perspective. I think the police should work for the people. Not against the people. 8 out of every 10 signs on the road are the government telling us what we cannot do. I think that’s ridiculous.
Thanks and great comment
At the risk of getting shot down, I was a police officer in the UK for 30 years and whilst I do agree that the justice system and the way it is implemented is very wrong, I would say it is perhaps idealistic to expect “certain” members of society to abide by certain basic rules by which most people would choose to live their lives by. The idea of justice is that it is fair and applied fairly, I totally accept that this does not happen, laws are made by politicians and are generally to protect themselves and their way of thinking and living not the whole of society. Laws are enforced by the justice system which if it represents society is operated by people who are good, bad or average at what they do. Numerous laws and rules are just plain stupid and wrong but to visit your drink/drug driver, the question is how do you stop them driving whist under the influence? I don’t know the answer to that but perhaps an education combined with punishment approach is best. I have dealt with a couple of drink involved fatalities and certainly everything has to be done to stop that also I have had to inform parents or spouses that their child or partners has been killed by a drink driver. So what I’m trying to say is there are lots of things not working with society, lots of questions that need answers but maybe the wrong people (politicians) are answering them.
You make some valid points and its a complex system - it's just not working at the moment -- and no one cares
You and I agree totally on that.
Very thought provoking, I see quite a few people get plenty of breaks , warnings, etc but a lot just don't appreciate it and keep doing dumb stuff, maybe community service instead of fines would be better for all as it wouldn't make someones financial situation worse. Sometimes prison is one of the best places to get help (getting clean, learning a skill etc) as one other comment confirmed. Where I completely agree is that many men get destroyed unfairly in the family court losing so much in a divorce , and losing custody of their kids, I don't know how you come back from that, it's heavily weighted against men.You've made me think now, cheers
Thank you, yep the family court is savage on men.
The justice system in this country is an absolute joke, simple as that.
I agree with you
Cann I ask please, is this based on your experience as a lawyer or as an offender, would like to know why you think its an absolute joke and please, looking for facts not BS “they let all the crimes go free” type of statement as I am doing research for Uni, thanks in advance Cheers
@@davesunderland1026 if you need it explained to you or you’re to blind to see what happens then that’s your problem. I’m not even going to waste my time.
@@jjktmk14 so you really don’t have a fecking clue do you you knob
A dumb thief steals a water melon off a train car
A smart thief steals the whole train
Very true
Amen again Big A.
Love all the vids due to your outlook and philosophy my brother❤
Thank you that's much appreciated
@OldNotDead-Club very welcome, thanks for what you do👍💯
Love your videos man! I live in the states and just got my first Harley 2010 iron 883 with the 1200 screaming eagle kit. Love it! Thanks for all the great content. I need to start to remember to like yiur videos!
Glad you like them!
I have just watched this video and think all people need help at times as do people who make mistakes. But how often do you hear of someone who is a repeat drunk or drug driving offender in court and they take no notice of repeat warnings and then go on and kill innocent people in motor accidents. I think the systems not perfect but it's to hard to cater for all.
PS I'm a big fan of your channel please keep up the good work.
Cheers Brian
Thanks Brian, there's no easy solution, in particular for the short term. What you say is correct and this needs to also be considered in any action/change
The system is definitely not perfect but some times it works! I worked for me I was addicted to drugs for years. One day it all caught up to me and I won a all expense 3 1/2 year paid vacation. That allowed me to get clean for the first time I was able to figure out who I really was ! When I got out I hit the ground running and never looked back! It’s a wonderful thing to be clean . And yes I agree we should be trying to help people unfortunately there are some who just don’t want it! But that doesn’t mean we should stop trying 😊
Thanks, it sounds like things have worked out for the best for you. Addiction is horrible for many people - thats why i advocate help not punishment
Send all the junkies to prison for 5 yrs to clean them up. If they dont clean up send them back. Im good with this. Problem , Liberal cities are going bankrupt. Cant afford to charge, convict and house low level criminals. This is why drug laws keep getting relaxed. Drug addiction will skyrocket and so will crime.
@@richpuller1348 No addicts or controlled or managed addicts = no crime - simple fix?
Interesting concept with your philosophy of justice.. And was good meeting you on the day brother! Hopefully catch you at a few more of these things!
Thanks, Iol I think. It was great meeting you too I really enjoy your social media posts/photos/videos
When injustice becomes law,resistance becomes duty.
And the judiciary is failing to address this issue by not rejecting casing of the unjust laws
Very true
Brother you touched on so many key points of truth and common sense that needs to be established back into some form of common-unity without morally corrupted officials running the show and punishing and shaming those less fortunate - some lines you don't cross, that's why we have laws, but all laws stem from societal morality and respect for your fellow man by standing in honour and integrity - if you can't stay within this mental confine then you may just deserve some form of corrective measure, whatever that may be, we can do a whole lot better than filling prisons and institutions and banking off petty crimes (broken ACTS) that's for sure....... Respect Mate
I agree the justice system is very disfunctional. It also used to be the police were to serve the people now more than ever they serve the government. On the point of of drunk driving or under the influence, I believe in strict laws. A vehicle driven by someone under the influence is almost like someone in a park shooting his gun wildly with no aim. If that happened we wouldn’t be driving him or her home. Lot of families have been wiped out by drunk drivers.
But I agree it seems every time you turn around there is a new law or regulation that just puts so many restrictions on people and businesses alike that it’s almost impossible to breathe. I could go on…but I will spare you. I like your vids, they make you think and ask,questions. Always a good thing.
Thank you. It's a complex problem ( the justice system)
NO BS here !! Agree with wat you said
Thank you
You're a good man Aymen. Very interesting subject/s. Lots of good thought provoking topics discussed.
I appreciate that
My brother got done riding unregistered bike,
Went to court. Wore my suit.
Previous guy was wearing t shirt winning blues under sleeve. Said yep/ na and swore. 3rd offence got 3mths disqualification and $1000 fine.
My brother said yes/ no your homour
Pleaded guilty ,said he did the wrong thing, got $300 fine and no riding 48 hours.
Wow
Agree with you Aymen, for the most part, but I wonder about those who simply don’t care about others on the road. About 15 years ago, a workmate, in his forties, shocked me when he remarked casually that; the Third time he lost his license for DUI, he got X amount of fines, etc. Now I don’t drive or ride like Grandpa who keeps under the speed limit ALL the time, but in half a century of driving and riding, I’ve never lost my license. I lost my Mum when I was 12 in a single car accident and I know that has something to do with how I drive and ride. I have a healthy respect for what incredible damage road trauma can lead lead to, so for my own health and safety as well as that of others, I try to make sure I don’t put myself in a position where this is a possibility.
I know about hardship and I’m regarded as a bit of a softy because I tend to put myself in other peoples’ shoes. (Perhaps too much, but that’s debatable)
All that said, I do feel that people who don’t care about possible consequences of their actions do actually need some kind of punishment for them.
I have a great deal of sympathy for people who are struggling (having gone through struggles myself) but there are some people who don’t and their careless disregard for the health and safety of others just puts them outside of such sympathy.
I had a young guy tell me once that life is so tough that he saw nothing wrong with breaking into peoples homes and stealing whatever he could lay his hands on. I told him if he was to steal my bike, his life would be in serious danger of ending, because my sympathies don’t stretch that far. He thought that was unfair. I don’t. There are always consequences for our own actions.
There is no doubt we need some form of protection from some people. My point is simply many people need help not punishment. By giving someone a $500 fine when they cant afford it (which happens all day long) is ridiculous and is one of the things that hurts society in the long term.
Law is a self-feeding machine with an endless Appetit.
Yeah it seems to be that way - more and more laws every year
I got a speeding fine a while back for doing 79 in a 70 zone, this street is one iv been driving on for over 20 years ...
One night a kid decides to push his new car too far and rolls it and ends up paying the price unfortunately.
The reaction to that crash was to drop the speed limit from 80 to 70...
Boys in blue couldnt really give me an answer when i asked why i was being fined for doing something that has been deemed safe for well over 20 years but now isnt because of a high speed crash???
Wearing a whole in my head from scratching it too hard trying to figure all this backwards bs out
yep that's the situation we are all in - until people wake up and stand up
Obviously a different situation but it wasn’t that long ago that people who have certain mental/physical health conditions were locked away as if to be punished and that didn’t work either and thankfully things are changing drastically there, I am in agreement with you and others as it’s not just a one answer fits all situations and also agree that no one seems to give a fuck …
I am a Support Worker and have and do work with people who became career criminals due to minor incidents that could very well have changed the direction of that persons life with help
Love the channel mate
Thank you, that's much appreciated. I too know people who became career criminal for the same reason.
Amon, a little advice to those in the States (since I have I have no experience in AU.) Before you get close to your court date, arrange a meeting with the DA and at that meeting negotiate a compromise between what the charge is and what the State will allow. Every DA has a matrix regarding the charge and the leway they have to drop the charge, lessen the charge or even change the charge. All they are interested in is getting the money that the initial charge would cost you. So if you lets say you have a speeding ticket for 13mph over the posted speed, they can reduce it to 9 over. (less points in the point system but they get the same cash. Or they could change the ticket to unreasonable speed which has no points but charges the same cash. Alsays talk to the DA or ADA (assistand DA) before court, nothing to lose. If they won't work with you, do the Dom profile in court, be the finest dressed person in the court. It shows respect and that you are not a low life. The judge will be pleased.
It’s a difficult one.
In my opinion the area between punishment and the alternative is too grey, and therefore there would be far too many circumstances where the incorrect method was applied… this is for more serious crimes.
Lesser crimes such as minor traffic offences, well that’s just revenue raising and creating far more aggravation.
If you removed punishment, irrespective of whether it should be applied or not, chaos would emerge and run rampant.
There needs to be common sense and a balance between punishment and assistance… good luck getting that right though.
I think you are right in most of what you say. It's complicated and needs a long term gradual approach. What we do now doesn't work so there must be something better.
Laws definitely need to change here in the U.S. Auto drivers regular kill Bikers in traffic accidents and get nothing more than a Traffic ticket for it. Meanwhile family's are completely destroyed... Sad situation
Yep, many things wrong with the system. I needs good intent behind it
It works for them(court, police,etc) not for us (the people) it works to bring in money, it doesn’t work to help the people.
Thanks, I agree
@Old Not Dead hence, A-Holes like that are the main reason I no longer work in that field. Made me SICK, trying to help folk, do a good job n not get ur ass shot off, then dealing w mental cases in ur own damn work space at same time...TOXIC
such a good line of questioning
Thanks, there are certainly a lot of issues to explore on this topic
You need to support people like Thomas Sewell if that's the government you want. It's not entirely about their message but rather the way they they are treated simply for holding the beliefs they do. If they're fair play to silence, give it a minute, you'll be next.
Thanks for your comment
Very factual and a good listen great bike
Thank you very much
When I was young I used to drink a lot, and twice the cops brought me even home in their cop car.
Driving drunk meant then a slap on the wrist, no driving for 12 or 14 hours and losing your driving license for a week.
That would be working for the community and ine of the ways it could be done
The Justice System and many other Systems , Government , Bureaucracy , etc take the easy way out . Helping people out of Poverty etc requires work and Intelligent people to set up a new System ; easier to leave things as they are . It will never change . The CCP might inflict a different system upon us .
hopefully if enough people become aware and resist - something will done
I was only talking about this the other day, decriminalisation of drugs would be the best thing they could, control it’s distribution, get ride of 80% of crime, make it less cool to do it etc etc etc, prohibition doesn’t and hasn’t ever worked
Spot on - I guarantee it would work, if done correctly - it's just a political hot potato
@@OldNotDead-Club correct, none of them will have the balls
Here in America weve got a mess on our hands. Never mind speeders and drunks. How about killers and rapists getting a slap on the wrist by our "justice system". You take your life in your hands by going into our larger cities while police depts. are defunded and overworked.
All the wrong people are in charge but, what can we expect? This is how it is supposed to be in the end times.
It's a complex problem and the people in charge don't actually care
Random comment for the algorithm :) Loving your vid.s!
Legend, thank you!
I got parking ticket for "Not Backing" onto parking space? No signs to indicate need too back in. So I took pictures of parking space an no instructional signs. City sent back letter telling me, I'm still guilty, but city with only charge me half fine, for city not having signs to indicate requirements!? WTF! Are drivers needing to be mind readers to city requirements? An is city just revenue gathering? Both unjustified!
Revenue raising without doubt. Governments are supposed to be representative of the people for the people lol FAIL
My thoughts about revenue gathering, an not shocked this Olympia, Washington Capital???
Here in the U.S.A. and more so in Texas we have a two tier (not officially) system of justice. One for the more affluent and low on skin pigmentation and one for the rest of the citizens, poor or people of color. Those in the first category either totally get a pass or when they go to court, they buy their way out with a good attorney or are given leniency do to their status. The second category get arrested with no mercy and sometimes just because of the status listed above. My kids are mixed race and my son, because he played 100 soccer games a year became quite tanned. I saw this two tier system in action with him when it came to law enforcement and at school. It became even worse under the former President that promoted "othering" people that were poor or different. I could write more but I think you get the point. Enough said!
Love your 3/4 helmet. Who makes it? Thank you, for all your content.
It's a Shoei from the early ninties
@@OldNotDead-Club Thank you, sir. It’s hard to find a helmet that doesn’t have a big bulbous round shape to it these days.
@@FXFBS23 yep very difficult!
Let me also add that I am 53 from the US and appreciate what you do for riders, particularly guys over 50, to get them to wake up and stay in shape and take of themselves physically and mentally. The suicide stats for men 50+ are alarming and I had 1 lost 1 friend already to this a couple years ago (he was 57, I was 49). Didn't realize until I was in my 50's how suicidal thoughts can creep up as a solution to one's problems. It's tragic. Thank you for talking about it. 👊
@@FXFBS23 Thank you - yes it is tragic - I'm sorry for your loss - but there are solutions and there is help.
Being an Ex-officer, I'm not happy with the system. I wanted to help my community and tried to do my job to the best of my ability. Our system is very broken and revenue is key. Many officers I worked with were like minded and wanted to support and help our community. There needs to be a line, but where do you draw it? Who should make that decision? If the police kept helping this drink driver get home safe and sound but one day don't catch him and he kills someone, taking an innocent persons life and destroying their family, who do you blame? I don't want to say "It's Ok, you keep drink driving and we will keep letting you do it and help you until you hurt or kill someone" or help this person in other ways that are too many to list here. Basicly I believe, Rules and Laws are only made for the people that follow them, the rest don't give a rats. Just be better to one another, treat people with respect and live your life. Ride safe :)
I'm amused with the terminology of mobile safety cameras as to where these clowns park is not in a safe spot it creates a distraction,hence definition of safety. I call them revenue cameras.
agree with you 500%
No BS more people should think like you do
thank you
Aymen, mate, be a metro bus driver. It's a real eye opener.
I bet! it would be interesting
Out here pot is legal to use in the privacy of your own home. Yet driving a moter vehicle on public streets or operating machinery light or heavy is prohibited by common Seneca and law.
Thanks, I think it's heading that way in many places.
Just subscribed to your channel..Love the topic and comments..I believe punishment should fit the crime. Like you said, with regard to serious criminals need to be dealt with or put away.
Thanks for your comment and welcome to the channel - great to have you here.
The system is designed to intimidate the very people it's meant to protect. If you've got money, you're fine. What effect can a fine have, weeks after the fact, that I can pay in instalments or on a credit card. It's purely revenue raising. Maybe the fine should be indexed to income?
You are spot on.
What drugs do you think legalising will result in such a massive reduction in crime that police won't be needed? Surely you're not suggesting legalising ice, which is a major factor in violent crime. I agree that traffic laws and mandatory/set fines are not effective, but for other (actual) crimes like burglary, which has a major impact on the victims, often results in extremely lenient consequences from the court. I think you'd be surprised at the amount of referrals/programs provided to people by the court and police. But anyhow, the bike/car show looked great and as usual, whether we agree to disagree with your comments, you provide a great vlog that makes people think. Keep up the good work.
I can't nominate individual drugs - Im not a drug taker. My understanding is that the impurities in each drug is what causes harm and the drug is "just" addictive. I think it would be better to control drugs and allow them - it takes the mystique out of them and enables people to get the help they need. Burglaries are often just to fuel a drug habit and addicts could be supplied for free until they are helped.
There wouldn't be no hiding in that bright ass colored police car lol
This is a great show.
Thank you very much
MONEY, fallow the money
You are spot on
Driving is a privilege! Call me an idiot if you want to. If it was a right, then the government could NOT take away your license. It would also be in the constitution. Here in the USA driving is a privilege.
I and many others would say its essential so people can feed their families. I'm not suggesting that people can abuse this
One year later I myself only found your lovely channel in the last month as of July 2024. I am in America, are system is somewhat the same, I too was in the same situation years ago (only man in a suit with sometimes an without a lawyer) regular traffic court etc. I 100% agree with you and I understand what you are saying, rich or poor the system needs to be fixed. I know the problem is God, America is losing trust in God or there faith amd do not follow His Commandments. The devil is real and the path is very narrow, very few as we can see are taking it. ✝️✌💜
Lost a wife and child to a drunk driver.
I'm sorry to hear that, alcohol is a huge problem in society
So true every thing you said is the truth
It’s just a big money grab, I had occasion to sit in a court room and seemed like I was one of the few there that could actually pay the fine without any pain. Mostly very poor minorities there who can’t afford the fines or lawyer to help. Basically, if you have enough money you can get away with the same petty crimes these poor folks cannot.
You are spot on!
The sad part is, having been a law enforcement, is a lot of these people give a very good sob story, but their behaviors can kill. It's a very difficult decision on what is too much and too little punishment when dealing with the courts. The judges are human and very differently in their approach and. That is Life on life's terms, it's all this are better at dealing with those that others. Like your videos and you do a great job in talking about your opinions. I am a subscriber
Yes, its very complex and I doubt there would be an easy solution. Thank you and welcome to the channel
sorry for the errors in my comments. I was using a voice recognition function and it not accurate. Please keep up your content. I live in the USA and also watch Million Dollar Bogan, but I like your videos as much if not more. I am 65 years old and ride a Road King. I was one of those who hated Harley and road sports bike when I was young. Then I met a woman who road a Road King so I bought one, and now it is my favorite bike ever. I live in Sydney for about 6 months when I was 27 and miss the people down there. Hopefully some day I will make it back down under.
@@dashpounce2634 thank you for watching the channel, your comment is appreciated
It’s a shame that some police don’t have a more common sense approach- it’s not all. It is a shame that the judicial system isn’t based upon more common sense and best results. So much of it is antiquated. I live in England and a lot of speed restrictions have been reduced even more in the last 5 or so years - is this because it’s a bunch of old farts making the law who no longer feel safe doing 60 or 70 themselves so impose a limit lower on all when perhaps they should look harder at the situation and maybe retain or not drive themselves!
Live the videos- great Mia of humour, thought prover-cation and awesome bike and car shots.
The video inverts of Mad Max and LOB (life of Brian no load of Bollox) were inspired - just what I thought at the time.
Keep it up 😊🤜👍
As for the police person who was provoking you shame on him and shame on his partner for not calling him out on it - evil triumphs while good men stand and do nothing.
Thanks for watching, much appreciated
Great points ❤
Thank you
Good cop
Bad cop
Oldest act in the book
Lol yes it is
I understand where your coming from, but on the other hand if they start relaxing the system you’ll have nothing but disaster, look whats happening here in the states, this defund the police movement has done nothing but create total disaster, crime is through the roof!!😢
The drunk driver needs punishment, I’m sorry to many drunk drivers kill innocent people, in fact I think the judge should have given him some jail time, I understand his life may not have gone the way he had hoped, but dam it don’t get behind the wheel of a car, you want to drink your sorrows away fine, just don’t get behind the wheel, his kids need him, suck it up and get on with your life, I have no compassion for drunk drivers or drivers under the influence of drugs.
Thanks I dont suggest relaxing the system - half hearted wont work. We need a new system. Im not advocating allowing / encouraging people to drink / drug drive. I'm saying they have a problem that needs to be fixed and punishment won't help the underlying problem.
Milford to see us at 60 I'm going to do 70 it'll be okay haha
I grew up in a place that was pretty much like the Wild West. Really…. I’m not exaggerating much. When I came to Europe, I simply didn’t notice traffic signs, but somehow I managed not to kill myself. My wife never understood that, but I think that the lack of rules, actually strengthens your common sense and you just kinda know. I don’t wanna live in that insane place and time I was born, but I think we’ve gone too far. There’s now 1000 rules for things that used to be obvious and some of them don’t always make sense. Fortunately I live now in a place that was occupied by the nazis and then behind the iron curtain, so the older generations still remember that not every law is necessary right and behave like sensible humans….. including the cops. But many of the young people are more and more like trained monkeys, unfortunately.
Unfortunately I have a person in our family that continually does the wrong thing and we as family members have to constantly pay for her mistakes. How many times can someone get away with doing serious offences. I agree with a lot of what you are saying but allowing people and or the government to sell drugs will definitely not fix a drug problem and only increase a hospital problem. You ask why, because no matter how many opportunity you give to some people the outcome will be the say... Drugs affect all families rich and poor.. Equal
opportunity does not mean equal outcome... No matter how much you give some people they will be cu#ts, so what's next... The fantasy world that you would like will never exist.
Laws only apply to law abiding citizens. The average Joe blow that's goes to works and pays his taxes.. Those that don't give a F simply don't give a F.
I get your point but I am saying the deeper problem needs to be addressed - ie why are they doing this? I'm not suggesting a 2 min fix this is a very complex problem that can only be fixed with proper good intent to help people not political grand standing - which is all I see from our politicians
@@OldNotDead-Club I agree with the government only looking after itself and the police basically the armed forces of the government. But as I said not matter what opportunities some people are given the outcome will be the same, and to allow or not punish drug or alcohol affected drivers that may go on to kill someone innocent... As for the speed issue that is truly over the top punishment that at time does not fit the offence. Eg entering a freeway on a motorcycle and finding yourself side by side or directly behind a 18 wheeler is not where I will sit for any amout of time and a quick squirt of the throttle to clear the truck is what I will be doing which of course means I could be over the 100k speed limit for a few seconds.. I believe speeding and going over the speed limits are two different things. 100kph in a 50k zone is definitely speeding 55 in a 50 zone is going over the speed limit..It would seem that some speed limits on some roads are there to frustrate drivers to no end.... The amount of new speed limit signs on roads, all reduced speeds are out of control. Cars and motorcycles of today all have better brakes, abs brakes better tires and better suspension with more safety air bags than before yet we are driving slower not faster...
@@berwickcomputers yeah its complicated but the speeding is an easy fix - our current laws evolved from a move toward zero tolerance - absolute BS
@@OldNotDead-Club agreed, for the police it's a black and white situation with no context and zero excuses. They will always try and get you to Self-incrimination in the way the ask you questions.. "do you know what speed you were doing"
@@berwickcomputers lol yeah that's true.
I started driving about two years before I was eligible for an Illinois’ Driver’s License. A week after I got my Driver’s License, I got a speeding ticket. My dad suggested that I plead guilty and try to convince the Judge to be lenient.
OK, got to court and at the check-in desk I pleaded guilty. Signed the paperwork and was told to go to the cashier and pay the fine! Go figure!
The next speeding ticket I pleaded not guilty. While waiting to be called before the Judge, the bailiff called out about ten names including me. We were asked it we were willing to watch a movie and have the ticket expunged. Needless to say, watched the movie and then told my dad if he ever got a ticket plead not guilty!
lol that's a good story - thanks for your input
I think it's a little bit of both
Thanks for watching
DOWN RIGHT RESPECTABLE IN A SUIT
A lot is just revenue raising
Yep spot on!
The bullshit system
Yep it seems to be that way
It's more about money than anything. Don't care what part of the world you are from. How much justice can you afford
That is true, money equals justice
You are a legend 💪
Thank you - i hope you are enjoying the channel
@@OldNotDead-Club i definitely am mate 👍 thanks for all the hard work, can’t be easy but you do a mint job! Keep it up
Problem with that would be DUI stops these people are repeat offenders over and over and over again. Should we leave them on the roads until they kill somebody? Or take them off the road all together and eliminate the problem then they could go get themselves help
No we don't want them to be a danger so you have to stop them - but punishment doesn't seem to work - they need help
I'm with you.
Thank you
enjoy the channel, great topics. Im calling BS on this however, seems like Australia is the same as Canada in looking the other way on o issues caused by people themselves . I agree some laws are a way to punishing and is a form of taxation. The tax payer Cant solve everybody's problems.
Thanks glad you enjoy the channel. Yes the state of Victoria here in Oz is exactly like Canada and California - look at the background of the three leaders. I'm only saying people need help and they don't have it - not everyone is capable and people have "down" periods. I am not suggesting letting the community go feral.
word brother
Never heard of a Amaretto Sour?
I'm not a big drinker - hardly drink at all
How many chances are we supposed to give those who drive under the influence?
We, especially those of us on motorcycles, risk our lives with the average driver as it is so I don't see why we should add to that risk by allowing those who are blasé about their drug or alcohol use to be on the road next to us, I sure as hell don’t want these selfish a-holes driving near me. I don’t see why we should have to suffer because the "user" thinks they should be given more chances than they deserve.
As to the male-female motorcycles, I’d say the one on the right (when facing the road) is the female because of the shorter ape hangers?
I'm not saying give them chances! I'm saying address the problem... why do people get in that state?
Amon (sp) You’ve worked in this field so what do you suggest? If (for example) someone is a drug or alcohol abuser because of what happened to them in the past this will always be there you’re not fixing that, those people are broken and their problems can’t be fixed, only minimised or suppressed. CPTSD is permanent brain damage and is not going to be undone with clichés like, “just forget the past” or “move on” etc so.
I’ve been carrying “issues” with me for close to fifty years and the level of hate and anger I have inside me towards specific people is chilling, but at the same time I’m not on the road with a gut full of suds or off my face bearing down on some other road user because I’m “having a bad day”
People need to take responsibility for their behaviour especially when it puts others at risk, there are many government and private agencies that offer some sort of help aren’t there and yes I do understand a lot of them are next to worthless, so again I ask, what do you suggest? Thanks
@@OldNotDead-Club
@@LJS01 thanks, many people carry emotional pain from past experiences and there are a few different ways to heal (to complex for comments here) so help/healing etc is possible if someone wants it. It's not about supressing or burying the emotion - you literally have to remove it. I'm not suggesting people shouldn't be responsible - lets say we fine a heroin addict - he will still be an addict who now needs to steal more to pay the fine. Here families are being fined enormous sums (relative to their meagre income) for minor indiscretions - the fines and punishment far outweigh the rule they break. All it means is someones children don't get food. It's easy to say "dont do it again" but this assumes alot about peoples nature and ability which is not true for a large portion of the population. Fines and punishments usually don't work - just look at the world now lol.
When you were intercepted by Police, do you think you made your situation better or worse? Essentially do you take any responsibility for the outcome or is this a simple case of the system working against you?
Thanks for commenting. It's obviously my fault. But even if I'm an a#hole (which I'm not and wasn't) they are professionals and have a duty to act accordingly. BUT the video is about justice and I don't believe making peoples lives more difficult is justice. (irrespective of who is at fault) Most people are doing the best they can and a system of punishment for victimless breaking of regulations (not crimes) is stupid (in my not so humble opinion)
@@OldNotDead-Club Cheers mate - and this is not having a go. I wonder how people reflect on these things after the fact. No one likes being told "No" am I right? And so getting in trouble so to speak in the manner in which you did may feel demeaning. Not unlike when we were little kids getting in trouble etc. Now that we're grown men with grown men ego's these things don't sit as nicely. Not everyone will agree with the justice system and the way in which it's managed by all levels of the judiciary, I don't think anyone professes that it's without fault. However, if you're not part of the solution - you're part of the .........? Stay safe, stay upright.
Thanks, there are many opinions on this. I have got solutions but that's for another channel... I am also part of the problem. I don't feel demeaned at all - i understand the laws and I understand enforcers are only doing their jobs - and I believe they are necessary. It's the law and Gov that needs reform.
This was my point in the first part of the video. Where does their job finish? What's really necessary and whats really just tax collection? Here in Vic we have just witnessed the enforcers being turned on the people - by the Gov. Now they (enforcers) are having trouble recruiting? I have never in my life seen so many "normal" family men, business owners and people turn against the Gov and lose complete respect for the enforcers. This spells long term trouble for everyone. (I am deliberately calling them enforcers)
As I see everyone is driving on the wrong side of the road. Your in Europe. Ok across the pond here in the US. Everyone has an arras hole, just some are bigger than others n some have badges.
Lol, its all just perspective. We are in Australia. Thanks for your comment
I'm better than most people and have the right to have a little more than anyone else and have the right to be treated better than everyone else and should have more rights and privileges than everyone else. LOL!!!
Thanks for watching, interesting black and white interpretation.
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Thanks
the answer to your question about the gender of the CVO motorcycle street glides the male road glides the female
also the justice system what I personally think is while I beleave people do need punishment to learn there lesson the justice system should be trying to get them the help they need in order to not repeat what they did to get that punishment
Thank you and I hope you enjoyed the video
if i tell you we are in hell ...i came to this conclusion after 2020. what is the other explaination when we see all the bs going on in all fronts
Thanks you are correct. It is possible to keep to the better parts
Here in USA NJ the car insurance are high if unfortunately got an accident that were proved your were guilty the car insurance became so high you may can not pay your mortgage any more couples lose their homes cause a car accident the car is financed the house is financed plus food and kids 😬 is hard….. cause an accident you ruined everything 🤔 insurance company’s are the most richest companies 🤔 they share data with each other’s it stays on you driving record for long time😬
Thanks, i think it's the same everywhere with insurance
Got it in one
Thanks
Like the channel, but driving is a privilege! Just common sense.
Thanks -- that's what "they" say, it's a privilege. The reason there are literally 10's of thousands of unlicensed drivers, driving around Melbourne (let alone everywhere else) is that people need a way to get around to earn a living. If they are going to take the "privilege" away they should pay people their salary to stay at home or make public transport practical / usable. They literally do not care what happens to people.
Aiman,(sp), there isn't a mean bone in your body, So I'm thinking that the cop that was eye balling you was indeed a " f-wad". If You'd been in your suit, (With Chaps on), when the two of them pulled you over, ... the end story would have been ... " Thanks for your cooperation Aiman, this is just a warning, ... keep it under the posted please", ... "You're free to go...." ( Your story being that the car's broke, Wife has the Flu, and I'm a tad late for a meeting at the office, so I took my Bike... etc....)....
We all "Dress the Part", be it financial or insitu... by this I refer to coveralls when on the job..... or sporting our leathers/colors, when we ride,.... or just our lack of proper appearance due to fiscal issues.
With that cop, I think first impressions were driving his "lizard brain" instead of common sense .... and if you hadn't tried to "figure-out what his testosterone levels were under his 20 #'s of beer fat", ( lol ), the whole occurrence would have been moot. and the cop doing the paper work would have told you to skedaddle.
As for the justice system, the current laws are still from the 1800's or prior, (we all know that), but whom or better yet... which governance is going to step up to the plate to make the changes for the better.
Stay Safe
Thanks, thats a good point you have made - the laws are still from the 1800's
The systems not great bit a lot better than other countries. Cops are ok although you can get some having a bad day.
It is not easy for Cops. Having to deal with cons and other riff raff. Of course if you confront a Cop and try to intimidate then you should expect trouble.
In theory what your shareing yes makes sense in a utopian secity.
True, we might still be hundreds of years from it
If you drink alcohol your pretty much on drugs😀
I have to agree with you
Make drugs legal but if you take your whip off the health system I believe in that and the cops won’t make money bringing it in from the top off Queensland 😂
Very well said, indeed this place is almost designed as a slave trap to extract as much pain and missory out of the occupants/prisoners here almost as if something was feeding on it and this is a farm of sorts.
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