Why I don't like brushing horses
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- Опубліковано 17 вер 2024
- Make sure you hear the real message. I'm not against brushing horses.
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I think the point he's trying to make is to remember that everything we do is actually training so if we aren't in the training mindset when we brush the horse, we shouldn't be brushing them. I thought it was helpful. Cheers Warwick
O really ... "the point he is trying to make". So you are saying he doesn't actually succeed in telling us anything and we actually need you to explain something.
Yah like he LITERALLY tells us that. Very perceptive Einstein 😂
He's not saying dont brush your horse. Don't stop training your horse. Everything you do with a horse from standing outside the fence to getting trimmed means do it right because that horse is watching you and remembering everything.
Exactly. It's not the brushing that he's against, tt's using brushing as a method desensitizing. Imo, he couldn't have been clearer than when he was putting the rope across her back and said, "If I can do this, I can brush her." Brushing shouldn't be the training, brushing should be a byproduct of the training.
Love how relaxed yet alert she is! Waiting for her next cue but she isn't anxious about it
Thanks for the the information and demonstration.
I dont know why ppl don't teach these basic horse skills for the most part. It's a a major disservice to their students. It's comon sense. Thank you for adding this.
Bevin Allison this is what should be taught at pony club.
Dear Mr. Schiller .Thank you so much for all your clips.i am smiling and learning. you are addressing in a very subtle and deligthful way subjects others just have problems to get across.you make me very happy.thank you:)
awwwww. I just love you Warwick. Your wisdom and gentleness with the horses moves me to tears. And this mare is so pretty and she looks so relaxed. You've given her the gift of peacefulness that comes with your wise leadership.
Good points here, I had to groom this big young mare who'd had some rough handling and before she had the groundwork in, she was pretty difficult and easily distracted which you don't want with a big horse when you're so close.
But everyone I can think of starts their kais by brushing them and I've had no problems with the ones I've groomed personally that have had nothing else done with them. It's hard to find fault there, getting a horse to accept your touch and allow you into his space still seems like a good place to start and grooming can all be a part of groundwork.
I think some of the people commenting missed his mark here... He's for brushing but definitely along with desensitizing and other training. It's pointless to only be able to brush a 3 yr old and waste away your time for training.
I have a green broke 7 year old and when I got her a couple months ago she wasn't broke at all and she loves to be rubbed on so I use that as an advantage and reward her with being groomed. If she does well in her work that day she gets groomed. It's all just good practice to have with her since I want to turn her into a show horse and would like to keep my horse clean.
I think you half missed the point here. You can still keep the horse clean and also be using that time as valuable training time
You are right. You are training your horse all the time. Every time I get on we have to do a step back before we get going; then they never go forward when I get on them. Interesting video, thanks.
such a smart observation- I love watching his videos...wish I could have had UA-cam when i was a young rider and learning! It certainly would have been a huge resource. I remember the first time I saw a high level dressage test was at a clinic in 1982, on film. I would have watched it over and over if I could!
Im so happy to have found this guy
Woof! Perfecto! Gonna change the way I work my horses! Thanks Warwick!
My horse has always hated being groomed, having her stand to be groomed has been one of my best small victories with her. Something you take for granted until you have one that will rather die than have their tail brushed. It's the perfect time to work on training!
I used a little hand held vaccumn with a beater bar, did such a thorough job in record time.. I never had any be afraid of it
The only point I was confused on was at about 2:35 when you said, "Stepping backwards doesn't make me go away, stepping forward does" as you suggested that you should back off when it steps forward. Wouldn't that just tell the horse that by stepping forward into your space causes you to back up, resulting in a pushier horse over time?
That would be correct if the horse was being pushy before you did it, the horse I was reffering to was being fearful. So you have to take that sort of information in context to the horse.
Gotcha. Appreciate the clarification and thank you for the quick response!
If you check back on this, I also just wanted to say thanks for the amount of information you have on youtube. I tripped across you a few days ago and I've been binge watching what you have on here and will definitely be picking up your subscription service.
You must create a correct space, for your horse to move into. Besides, you don't bring him over the top of you. A couple of tiny steps forward, is still forward.
Your so helpful. Thank you!!!
Love listening love learning thank you Warwick
Very good-I adopted a snorty freak too and she still is a bit -will go back to A and work on desensitizing my Queenish warmblood(bully?) Thanks debra
sometimes it is just in the small things that we as humans loose our awareness, it isn't the details it is the right details. Thank you.
You don’t have to be constantly dominating your horse. Let your horse relax and enjoy being brushed or just being in your company.
Warwick, you are a brilliant horseman.
beautiful ... my tennessee walker keeps rubbing his face on my chest until I brush him, not worried about it he is usually easy enough and only does it when he see the brush. Did he train me?
The only time I like brushing my horse is when I ride her or if she's extremely muddy. The dirt and mud protects her skin from flys and sun. She's really good with fly spray (she used to run away but we worked on it now I can do it in the field). But it just give her a good natural feel. I like staying more natural, like riding in a rope halter.
this video isnt about a clean vs dirty horse though. its about actually using your time with an animal wisely
Very good. Never knew this. Thanks!!!!
When are you coming to AZ? I would love to take a clinic.
Yes, please come to AZ 😁
He lives in Mesa, Arizona
What about well broke, well handled horses? My horse now had a very solid foundation when I bought him and his previous owner had him as children hunter/4H/ first horse. He was and still is a solid citizen. His previous owner was very aggressive/bold type rider he is submissive/ people pleaser type. He lost his confidence in people but not his respect for them. The first three months I had him I predominately groomed and did ground exercises ( sending and drawing in)... He was fine will ridden when bought but lacked confidence. After the three months on the ground he regain his trust in people and happiness ( depressed almost when purchased..underweight & dull). Almost five years out we have virtually no issues (knock on wood). He trust me so even when u confident he turns to me for guidance but is not pushy or on top of me. It's a very balanced relationship. I thinking grooming helps our relationship because his previous owner rushed the processed and I think he did not like this.
KeepMovingForward11 As I said at the beginning, INITIALLY I dont brush them . When you get all the GW sorted, then its fine.
Great
i think people like your self are taking a lot of things out of context
Wish I would of saw this yesterday lol. I was brushing my horse and she kept getting distracted. I just kept stopping her from moving around till she stepped on my left foot breaking my pinky toe. Ohhh that hurt like no other. Might go out and buy me a pair of steel toed boots now lol
People are obsessed with fly spraying & brushing. I agree with that. And I also don't understand why. People are also using schampoos to wash horses, that will of course attract flies most of the time.
And they put horses in a box where they can't move and use horse blankets to keep them warm, instead of allowing them to be outside and move around to get warm. People do all sorts of things to somehow 'humanize" horses. I see it all the time. They also cut their hoof hair which is supposed to protect the horse from humidity and wet clima. But what can you do? It is their horses.
Worked fine for me! Thank you sooo much Warwick! :)
Me too it works great!
i'd only brush them every so often for bonding and show of affection. yes they can get mudd on them but that helps with pests.
Good point.
This is great! When we bring horses into our rescue I always take the horses out working for a few days to a week to teach them to stand when I ask for it or move over etc before bringing it into the barn and putting it into cross ties and the horse stands great afterwards. This is a great teaching video
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Brilliant! There is no such thing as 'not training', every event and thing, trains/conditions the mind of the animal and human.
I have no idea why I'm here
Haha I love your story telling. I totally am that lady though. I notice my horse is doing all of this, but my mare constantly is looking left, right, on the ground, all over. How do I bring her attention to me and keeping her head still and "ground tying" basically? I'm fine with not brushing her until after the ride, but I feel like she should get better at brushing as well though. What other trainings could I do to get that better?
I'm late to the party on this one... Great video... you/he talked about producing a video showing all the training you did with this mare. Is that available someplace? Thanks!
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Hey Mr.Warwick, great video.. let me ask you a question. I know how everyone rants and raves about a horse respecting your space and especially some people want to show the horse who's boss at every second and keep yanking and abusing them I put it. It's important your horse knows you're the leader by letting them move their feet and it's important to make it clear they know you're the leader. Because every movement you have to watch around a horse (one trainer said when you're around your horse, Your teaching a horse bad lessons or good lessons whether you know it or not). My question is. If I ever step back or step to the side while my horse goes forward, like puts me back a foot, how do I let him know I didn't back up because he MADE me? How do I correct that? If he made me back a foot, in his mind he's the leader because he'll think he moved my feet. Should I back him instantly to make him think I back YOUR feet, you don't back mine?
I'm confused..Could really use your help 😊 thank you
I'm no horse trainer but it's all about energy and intent. If a horse is intent on you backing away by directing energy towards you, and you back away, he will have been successful at fulfilling his intent. However, if there is no intent, the horse will not make that connection. They're smart enough. It's like if you had the intent on toppling a case, and you direct your energy at it (by pushing it for example) and it topples, you know you're the one who toppled it. If you just sit on the couch and the vase topples all of a sudden, you'll know it wasn't you (you'd probably think you have ghosts now however haha).
As I said, I'm no horse trainer but horses are super sensitive and can almost flawlessly pick up on pushing and pulling energy. So that's my personal take on this.
Just move around with confidence and purpose and a horse will understand
Mr. Warwick, how do you help working to groom a horse that was abused with grooming tools? Out of my three horses, I have one that we're pretty sure was abused before we got her. She's a very gentle horse, but she's very stand-offish, and quite frightened of males (It took us a little while to get her desensitized to my Dad, the vet, and the farrier, but she behaves the best once she got use to them). She's a black beauty with only some tiny patches of white, and I don't overly brush or groom my horses except when their getting a bit dingy looking. One day soon after I got her I noticed she had a really bad fairy braid in her mane and went to get the brush to detangle it. The minute she saw the brush she tensed up, and when I tried to get closer, she backed up, snorting and ears back. So I tried hiding it behind my back and she calmed down and let me get close to her. But the minute she felt the brush against her, she whinnied in fright and took off running across the pasture and nearly knocked me over. I couldn't figure out what to do, I tried placing the brush in her feed bucket to let her get more use to it, she refused to eat. I put it near the water bucket, she wouldn't get near the water bucket, I put treats on the brush, she paced around the brush worriedly and snatched the treat and ran. I finally had to give up and sneak up on her with a pair of scissors and snip out the tangle and leave a horrible missing patch to her mane as she took off running.
So I haven't groomed her since I got her, and occasionally I know she could use it, I'm kinda terrified to try to bathe her with her horrible reactions to just the brush. Is there any way I can get her to use to grooming?? She's great on a rope and riding, she just is terrified of being groomed it seems!
i need to know the video of him getting a horse to pay attention when on a beach and husband distracted with bikinis. Very cute scenario! And to the point! It was also very professionally narrated! I appreciate your practicality! julie
Julie Malet what has that got to do with horses. get a proper husband..
pitchfork If you saw the video you would understand. It was an analogy. Look up his video of horses who get distracted in new places.
My whole life I’ve dreamed of having a horse. After doing some volunteering at a horse rescue and watching some vids like this, I’ve decided horses are just too sensitive and too much work for me. I’ll leave horse ownership to you all.
But oh so worth it 😊
They aren't too much work at all. Just learn things that work for you and the horse and then just stick with that. Go with what ya know.
Maybe rescue-horses sometimes come with a lot of issues. There are certainly older, well trained, calm horses out there who are perfect for beginners and have some tolerance for mistakes. I had a horse growing up, a warmblood mare, who just wouldn't get upset about anything. We brought her everywhere, she was with us kids outside playing, riding her without a saddle or bridle, I could lay with my head against her reading a book while she was laying down in the pasture. As kids, not knowing enough about horses we just probably made ALL the mistakes and she was just a sweetheart about everything.
Not saying we shouldn't educate ourselves to be the best human we can be to our horses, just that we are all beginners at some point and some horses are a better match for beginners than others. They are not all equally as easily ruined.
This is an interesting comment but the reality is that working with rescues actually requires quite advanced skills, you aren't going to come across any harder cases than rescues for the most part...I certainly give folks that do that kind of work all the credit in the world and I am so glad they do...for folks new to horses it would be best to get a horse that is 'easy' there are plenty of horses out there that are easy...and then you learn as you go...best to get help finding an easy horse and already trained. Certain breeds easier than others...quarter horses, gypsy vanners are among the easier ones generally speaking.
Being around horses is very healing. But, again, you need to be matched to one that is at your 'level'. That is my point.
Makes sense thank you
Pr. Parola, c'est la classe. Belle entrevue.
Warwick,' some of the horses I ride don't walk all over me, but, it seems to be a manners issue. One in-particular starts moving around and it's usually when I'm brushing or keeps moving his rear hoofs or tries to kick while I'm picking. The Mexican cowboys I am with are a little rough when they are disciplining a horse, I just wanted some advice on how to get the horse to stay still and let me get my job done without them fearing that a little movement means I'm going to give a pop. I'm the only white guy there and the language barrier is still there, and like I said, the guys are rough on the discipline. Any advice...I haven't tried finding any of your videos on the subject. Just logged on and saw this one.
glad you are learning how to handle a horse from them. A horse is pretty much ruined after these "cowboys" own them or at the least will need loss of rehab training.
My guess to Warwick's reply would be; if the horse wants to move, let him, put him to work lunging around you, then invite him to stand still. Every time the horse moves put him to work. Eventually the horse will understand it gets to rest if it stands still while you groom him, but if he moves he gets put to work. I believe Warwick calls it 'making the right thing easy and the wrong thing hard.
So helpful!!
He made good points.
I’ve noticed brushing desensitized the horses I’ve worked with
Haha. That’s exactly how I let my horses push me around before I started watching training videos.
Always make sure a horse is not in your space. Always remember your training a horse when your around one bad or good training.
It's good to just stand around the horse & talk & do stuff the horse should know not everything means something.
This horse clearly is not a untouched mustang but I think it could use some desensitizing to just people being around it.
I'd call this horse somewhat spooky/to reactive, its not responding because theres nothing to respond to.
You see the guy move slightly not even looking at the horse & the horse backs up & raises its head.
Very Cool Warwick
Brilliant
My horse gets relaxed when I brush his face and loves his withers rubbed. You should see his face😄
I like to brush my horses, because, it allows me to clean mud or debris that can cause galling or abrasions. And, it gives me a chance to go over my horse for wounds or injuries. Also, I can have a horse, moving it 's hip, shoulders, standing and respecting my space, and opening up a verbal line of communication so that my horse has a vocabulary of a couple dozen keywords, such as stand, head up, whoa, over, step, step over, back up, wait, good girl/boy, pick it up (feet), don't bite, don't kick ( horses in with bad problems) in for re schooling. Always, showing the horse the right answer, until (i) know he knows the right answer. We have an entire kindergarten dialog started, in the first session. Don't misinterpret, grooming, verbal skills, or attaboys as soft. If I know a horse understands inappropriate behavior, he will get worked on longe before grooming to take the edge off, and I have Zero tolerance policy for kick g, or biting. But, like the man says, you must pay attention to the overall horse, while grooming to saddle, it will reflect in your under saddle work.
sigh you really didnt pay much attention did you. This video is about using your time wisely and paying attention to what you are doing/encouraging.
Well I agree but at the same time it's more about bonding than completely controlling.
sigh and his point is that a horse never stops learning from you and you should be aware of what you're teaching it while bonding
can I brush my cat?
+aky19832001 Does it move your feet while you're brushing it?
Matthias Weiss lmao
Vacuum
Slow and easy.....Horse loves to learn....
I'm watching all these vids. "I don't like doing X. I don't like doing Y." lol very consistent template there. ;-)
It snot I " dont like" doing certain things, I dont like doing them too early in the training.
Yeah he takes fly spray very well but he hates his back legs sprayed he always has
No Audio Warwick
Refresh your browser, works on my end.
WarwickSchiller, unfortunately I don't get audio for your video but do for others, I'll check it later in case UA-cam is having issues.
NaturalCash1994
Are you listening through headphones with only one in?
Sasha Richardson Yep, I've noticed that too, on all of the videos.
SiskaLeen Mine is louder in my left ear, but there is sound in the right.
Interesting
So, the lesson is... your horses is learning every second, even when your not "training ". That the ABC vs looks matter.
i live in florida were the ground everywhere is sand. if i dont brush my horse that sand rubs him like sand paper
How do you bond with a horse or build a relationship you do something with the horse without asking it to work if you work them to death 247 they won't like being around you. Brushing is a perfect thing to do to be around the horse for awhile & the whole time your not asking the horse to do anything.
Than again if your fair when working/training a horse & not beating it & making it scard it will probaly want to be around you & it will accept you as its leader.
The horses who really enjoy being groomed by humans probably don't end up at your clinics! Ime maybe only 1 in 20 or fewer really enjoys being groomed by humans but they are the best, easiest horses on the ground because they just enjoy being around people. It's top of my shopping list because I can only afford one horse at a time and it's just nicer to go to the barn and have a horse who's really happy to see you.
He's 15 and he was crazy because you took his mom away from me and he was probably not wanting to go back in that stall
interesting!!got your Point 👌
She's not a warmblood mare she's a standard-bred Tennessee spotted horse mix her mom has a black Standardbred and her dad was a homozygous spotted Tennessee Walker
i think he would know better when it comes to the breeding of a horse hes training.
I'd say Standard bred X Tennessee Walker is warm blood.
What is a warm blooded horse and the difference
It is temperament. Race horses(Thoroughbreds) and Arabians are hot bloods. Draft horses and working horses are cold blooded. Riding horses in between, warm blooded.
Looks like a D line warmblood.
not brushing can cause Saddle sores, makes the horse more comfortable to brush.
Also makes him/her more beautiful and helps with blood circulation.
having a clean coat doesn't help with blood circulation, yes. But brushing it does. Not having a clean coat. The action of brushing. When a mare gives birth she licks her foal to help with blood circulation, to dry him/her off, and to clean him/her up. Notice the first line. "To help with blood circulation". Brushing does the same thing. And didn't know this was leaning more toward the untrained horses.
get what I mean?
You do know he isn't talking about not brushing before riding, right? He's talking about how you shouldn't brush as the absolute first thing you do with your horse. It is not necessary to brush your horse's coat to do lunge work or something like that. He even says that he doesn't have a problem with brushing, but how it's practiced. Try watching the video first before you make claims against his the title.
Andrew Crow Its not the clean coat that improves the circulation but the brushing motion itself. A rubber curry comb used in a circular motion all over the body is a great stimulant for blood flow. Increased circulation can help promote healing and reduce swellings.
you really took this out of context. Hes not saying he will never brush his horses. hes saying that you should never waste and undo the training you're doing by not paying attention
Just hate how many horses have not been handled correctly or sufficiently as foals. A lot if not most of these in hand problems can be avoided by regularly handling the foal from birth onwards.
"Stepping backward doesn't make me go away stepping forward does" hmmmmm. OK except of course when it runs straight over you then stepping forward is not the correct response. Teaching a horse of this age to be pushy when it's not is not a good idea. Every horse should be taught to be tethered and handled in a relaxed way as a foal then none of this really matters much. If it hasn't been then guess what you need to start again by teaching it those basics. There are no quick fixes.
you're taking what hes saying out of context. naturally you're going to handle a pushy horse differently to one thats reacting out of fear. the story he was telling he was tlaking about a horse that was pushing forward out of fear not being pushy. learn to listen.
It makes no difference. @@TheNonMakeupGuru
Hi friend friendship is looking after fur, hoves, clean ears, get insects
Sit down, and wait until they dare to contact you your hunter,
Can’t understand u. Speak slower and more distinctly please. Thanks
What do you need help interpreting? I speak English...
👍 Horses can hurt you, easily.
I’m a cabinet maker this info is useless to me . Thanks anyway
U need to brush your horse your horse can be very uncomfortable so that’s all I’m gonna say is that u need to brush your HORSE I have been riding since I was three so I know what I’m talking about
I dont think you listened to the video, , theres even a warning below the video that says "Make sure you hear the real message. I'm not against brushing horses. "
You missed the entire point. He didn’t say not to brush your horse.