Most Holy - Heinrich II: Literally a saint married to another saint in a chaste Christian marriage of devotion. Most Imperial - Karl V: Ruled the first "Empire on which the Sun never sets", fought to a standstill the Ottoman Empire at peak strength + Kingdom of France at near peak strength. Most Roman - Friedrich II: Personally lead a renaissance of classical learning, instituted Roman law and administration, ruled from Italy the leading empire in the Mediterranean. Now let's see how any other medieval European state be more holy, imperial, or Roman than this?
I think Otto III is a strong contender for most Roman. He also re-introduced a lot of Roman customs and offices, relocated his court to Rome, and was planning on building a new palace on the Palatine hill.
No, that wasn't a successor to Rome, it was what was left of the original empire. That literally WAS Rome. The HRE, with the city of Rome within its borders and the protectorate over the city and the church, having its kings be crowned emperors in Rome itself by the pope, has valid claims to be the successor.
Your videos are so good, but the AI generated thumbnail makes it less intimidating to click on it. It doesn't do any justice to the actual content of the video, rather it gives the feel that channel is too lazy to create its thumbnail. My suggestion would avoid using AI generated art for the thumbnails, and use any of the images from the video (if you see manually creating the thumbnail is not your cup of tea) and you can probably notice an instant increase in the viewership.
A few corrections: The term "holy" was added later, I think Barbarossa?, to show that the empire, or realm/Reich, was holy by itself, not by papal blessing. So the exact opposite of what you say! That dispute over power between Kaiser and pope was always a thing and ultimately also provided the support for the reformation and protestant movement. That's after the Habsburgs tried to seize total control with the help of the pope. The "Roman" is simply the quest to be a successor to Rome as a role model. Kaiser (emperor) also drives from Caesar. At the time of Voltaire the notion of empire had already changed to what we understand today. The German word "Reich" does not contain that "modern" notion. After WWI Germany was also still called "Deutsches Reich" without anything imperial about that democracy. That's mainly a lack of equivalent language and concepts in english, Just as with "emperor". The HRE was a constitutional monarchy where the members had the natural right to "protest" in the Reichstag, realm convent if you will, which they famously used. The HRE begins formally around 1000 with Otto the first. Of course you can include the predecessor of Karl the great, but it's not actually correct. Good point though of making the video to begin with, thanks!!!
false correction because "sacrum imperium", the term which became popularized by barbarossa, means "consecrated", not "holy", which would need "sanctum". no idea where you take your bullshit from. your notion of "reich" doesn't matter in the slightest, since the name is latin, "imperium".
@ejb6822 wow, that's exactly the naive Oxford smartness I was criticising ;) language isn't math, my friend. The purpose of calling it "heilig" was exactly what I said. It's the very feud that marks the HRE over it's entire existence, my uneducated friend. How you translate that into Latin is also a very interesting debate, but it has nothing to do with why people used that language. Again, language isn't math. The notion, purpose and thus meaning even changes with time. Example: Reich! And just because that word, concept and notion doesn't exist in your language, you cannot attribute your concepts and associations with the best matching translation, to the people of that other language. That's just NOT how the world works! They also have "imperium" in German, which, wait for it ..... refers to sth DIFFERENT. That's why they re different words, you know? Crazy right! It really highlights how shallow your intellect is that you cannot even understand this. You may score points with your semantic shell game at your highschool debating club, but not on my turf 😄
Empire: Yes, if we define an empire as a large government that controls, commands, or influences multiple nations in some way shape or form. The HRE government was certainly unique with how it governed its semi-independent territories, but that doesn't disqualify it from being an empire. Roman: Traditionally no, Rome failed to conquer most of this region. Holy Roman: The HRE had some control over the establishment of new bishops, abbots, and popes of the Roman Catholic Church (with the Investiture Controversy being a noticeable case of this relationship erupting into chaos). It was also standard for European monarchs and emperors to claim to be godkings so that their alleged holiness would justify their tyranny.
The decision of a single pope, pressured to take it by the political game, isn't enough to be holy (especially when they became mostly protestant later lmao). At least you concede they're not romans (and it's probably the biggest joke that title, ESPECIALLY when italian cities and the Byzantine Empire exist at the same time). And the "Empire" looks mostly like a second-range player for most of his history, until GigaChad Bismarck finally shows how to play. Regularly eclypsed by France, Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth or even his own cheap copy, the Austrian Empire, which did far more impressive things most of the time.
“It was just a joke!”
Voltaire, probably
That was actually much better content than I expected when I clicked on this video
Most Holy - Heinrich II: Literally a saint married to another saint in a chaste Christian marriage of devotion.
Most Imperial - Karl V: Ruled the first "Empire on which the Sun never sets", fought to a standstill the Ottoman Empire at peak strength + Kingdom of France at near peak strength.
Most Roman - Friedrich II: Personally lead a renaissance of classical learning, instituted Roman law and administration, ruled from Italy the leading empire in the Mediterranean.
Now let's see how any other medieval European state be more holy, imperial, or Roman than this?
I think Otto III is a strong contender for most Roman. He also re-introduced a lot of Roman customs and offices, relocated his court to Rome, and was planning on building a new palace on the Palatine hill.
Byzantine Empire and Italia laughing in the corner.
The real succesor of Rome was the byzatine empire which was the eastern Roman empire whom It directly derive from the og Roman empire
No, that wasn't a successor to Rome, it was what was left of the original empire. That literally WAS Rome.
The HRE, with the city of Rome within its borders and the protectorate over the city and the church, having its kings be crowned emperors in Rome itself by the pope, has valid claims to be the successor.
Your videos are so good, but the AI generated thumbnail makes it less intimidating to click on it. It doesn't do any justice to the actual content of the video, rather it gives the feel that channel is too lazy to create its thumbnail. My suggestion would avoid using AI generated art for the thumbnails, and use any of the images from the video (if you see manually creating the thumbnail is not your cup of tea) and you can probably notice an instant increase in the viewership.
Thanks for the feedback!
I agree completely
A few corrections:
The term "holy" was added later, I think Barbarossa?, to show that the empire, or realm/Reich, was holy by itself, not by papal blessing. So the exact opposite of what you say! That dispute over power between Kaiser and pope was always a thing and ultimately also provided the support for the reformation and protestant movement. That's after the Habsburgs tried to seize total control with the help of the pope.
The "Roman" is simply the quest to be a successor to Rome as a role model. Kaiser (emperor) also drives from Caesar.
At the time of Voltaire the notion of empire had already changed to what we understand today. The German word "Reich" does not contain that "modern" notion. After WWI Germany was also still called "Deutsches Reich" without anything imperial about that democracy. That's mainly a lack of equivalent language and concepts in english, Just as with "emperor". The HRE was a constitutional monarchy where the members had the natural right to "protest" in the Reichstag, realm convent if you will, which they famously used.
The HRE begins formally around 1000 with Otto the first. Of course you can include the predecessor of Karl the great, but it's not actually correct.
Good point though of making the video to begin with, thanks!!!
false correction because "sacrum imperium", the term which became popularized by barbarossa, means "consecrated", not "holy", which would need "sanctum". no idea where you take your bullshit from. your notion of "reich" doesn't matter in the slightest, since the name is latin, "imperium".
@ejb6822 wow, that's exactly the naive Oxford smartness I was criticising ;) language isn't math, my friend. The purpose of calling it "heilig" was exactly what I said. It's the very feud that marks the HRE over it's entire existence, my uneducated friend. How you translate that into Latin is also a very interesting debate, but it has nothing to do with why people used that language. Again, language isn't math. The notion, purpose and thus meaning even changes with time. Example: Reich! And just because that word, concept and notion doesn't exist in your language, you cannot attribute your concepts and associations with the best matching translation, to the people of that other language. That's just NOT how the world works! They also have "imperium" in German, which, wait for it ..... refers to sth DIFFERENT. That's why they re different words, you know? Crazy right! It really highlights how shallow your intellect is that you cannot even understand this. You may score points with your semantic shell game at your highschool debating club, but not on my turf 😄
Empire: Yes, if we define an empire as a large government that controls, commands, or influences multiple nations in some way shape or form. The HRE government was certainly unique with how it governed its semi-independent territories, but that doesn't disqualify it from being an empire.
Roman: Traditionally no, Rome failed to conquer most of this region.
Holy Roman: The HRE had some control over the establishment of new bishops, abbots, and popes of the Roman Catholic Church (with the Investiture Controversy being a noticeable case of this relationship erupting into chaos). It was also standard for European monarchs and emperors to claim to be godkings so that their alleged holiness would justify their tyranny.
The decision of a single pope, pressured to take it by the political game, isn't enough to be holy (especially when they became mostly protestant later lmao).
At least you concede they're not romans (and it's probably the biggest joke that title, ESPECIALLY when italian cities and the Byzantine Empire exist at the same time).
And the "Empire" looks mostly like a second-range player for most of his history, until GigaChad Bismarck finally shows how to play. Regularly eclypsed by France, Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth or even his own cheap copy, the Austrian Empire, which did far more impressive things most of the time.
Ah I see you took my comment personally.
Interesting
You’re the particularly irritating friend! 😅
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