S02E04 | College vs. Bootcamp vs. Self-Study: Alin Nga Ba ang Pinaka-Effective?
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- My perspective on the differences between different paths to acquiring skills for a tech career.
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Self taught dev here! Share ko lang, baka maka-inspire... Nursing undergrad po ako, at nabuhay lang sa mga call center companies dati. Inaral ko dati ung PHP... nagamit ko xa pero di ko masasabing naging proficient ako sa language na un. January 2020, inaral ko ung JavaScript --- hated that language for the longest time. Siguro ever since 2012 iniiwasan ko yang JS na yan, pakahirap kasi intindihin lalo na sakin na di naman graduate ng kahit anong computer or programming related course... Asa lang din ako lagi sa Stackoverflow. Pero nung nagfocus ako at un lang inaral ko, after a year, masasabi kong nasa intermediate level na siguro ung alam ko sa JS. At last year, mga bandang end of May, na hire ako as JS dev ng isang medium-sized company sa US, at ang sahod ko ay nagrarange na ng 150k monthly... sumosobra pa nga kadalasan. Un nga lang di ako madalas pumapasok... huling pasok ko September pa, pero di nila ko tinatanggal... sadyang tamad lang ako sir. Pero everytime na may matutuhan either by reading docs or watching some tutorial videos na related sa JS, talagang tinetesting ko.
Maganda experience ko kahit na self-taught dev lang ako... pero xempre minsan iniisip ko na gusto ko pa ding mag-aral sana, kahit 35y/o na ko.
Oh. Thanks for sharing your story. I hope you find the right motivation to really pursue the career. Pero, oo, minsan nakakatamad naman talaga. Tao lang tayo, we have those kind of days. 😁
How do you find US company sir?
Sir any tips po pagka sunod sunod na topic for js balik aral lang din self study in youtube aspiring frontend dev, thank you 💖☝
Thanks for sharing this very inspiring comment, sir! I am also a career-shifter but from the social sciences naman and currently self-studying web dev and python po. I believe that I am now able to work and apply all the things I have learned from self-studying. Any tips po or links sa paghahanap po ng job na nagamit niyo po? Thank you!
boss any tips po anong language dapat magsimula ?
I agree, Kuya Dev. Self study ay hindi na mawawala kahit na graduate ka na. It also depends on their circumstance and mindset. Kaya sana wag silang mag give up kahit gaano kahirap. There will always be a way.
I'll answer based from experience as a senior eng. and as a person who has done interviews with lots of engineers both coming from bootcamps and from the academe. Just to answer your question.
1. "Bakit hindi ituro yung ibang programming languages sa academe?"
-> Computer science curriculum is based on theories. The assumption is that, if you are well-versed in the foundations of computer science, then learning a new programming language is just a matter of searching google.
And also, this is a very important one, big tech companies care a lot about the inner workings of everything. According to you: working in the industry, "you don't really need the inner workings of the database or how TCP/IP works". This is correct. But the problem is, this is correct only in the Philippines. This is also true for companies with relatively easy projects compared to others. We don't have big tech companies. The majority of projects here(not all) are outsourced projects.
Now, let's move away from the Philippines. Any other country that has their own big tech company(google, amazon, Indeed for example). When you go to an interview, especially if you are a back-end developer, they will ask you:
1. Given a map matrix where 0 is a water pixel and 1 is a land pixel. Design an algorithm to count the number of islands in linear time and preferably linear space. You can use any programming language that you like. -> You can not answer this if your theory knowledge is low. Even if you master all the programming languages out there. Programming language is a tool. Outside Philippines, they don't need someone who just knows how to use a tool.
2. Design the architecture of the reservation system of Uber. -> You can not answer this without knowing the inner workings of different types of databases actually. You have to know the inner workings and tradeoffs of event servers as well.. Not to mention durability race conditions.
These are the types of questions in tech companies outside the Philippines. So yes, maybe it's true that you don't need much concepts when working in the Philippines. But there is a caveat: that is only true for projects that are quite simple compared to more demanding projects out there. So if you wanna stay here and wait for outsourced projects from someone, sure, focus on programming languages and frameworks. But if you wanna work with the best engineers out there, focus less in programming languages. Focus more in the deeper theories of computer science. Once you get used to them, mastering a programming language or a framework is just a matter of searching google.
Thanks so much for taking the time to share your thoughts!
first year college palang ako pero marunong nako sa frontend and backend is basic crud . self-study is the key . sipag effort and consistency lang talaga
I'm in academe and an electrical engineer. Nice episode Kuya Rems di ko napansin ang 30 mins na realtalk. I've been self-studying machine learning for 2 years and yet I'm not confident with it because it is too broad. However, I can discuss some things and explain some principles nmn. I'm trying to switch a career in tech, and I just finished my machine learning coding exam. Hopefully, makapasok sa 1st job ! Thank you for this one. Nakakaboost mag aral kahit na mag-isa :)
Yeah, apply apply na. Good luck! 😁
I found this channel on Facebook groups and I totally agree with you Sir I'm in my 3rd year in Computer Engineering and honestly I feel that I'm wasting my time and my parents money in college, specially the E-learning set-up it literally bores me. Last year I enrolled to a lot of Software related courses on UDEMY which I got for free all of them may mga coupon code kasi but through the process I'm always after for the certification at the end nawawala rin yung napag-aralan as you've said nga that certificates is worthless bigla akong natauhan. The next time na sisimulan ko yung course I'll make sure na ma grasp ko yung idea thank you for sharing your thoughts sir.
Thanks. Glad may napulot ka. 😁
bachelor degree+ bootcamp para magkaroon nang promotion sa trabaho
I just dropped out of College, 19 years old, and is currently looking for a job and possibly juggle bootcamping on the side. Idk if it's just me but yung sa college Kasi namin sumakto sya sa pandemic, yes tinuturuan kami Ng coding languages and such but most of the things (aside from the coding languages) are already in my stock knowledge. Pero mabalik Tayo sa coding languages, so yun na nga, nagtuturo Sila Ng coding languages, for example. In the first semester c++ kami one subject. 1 hour a week, and I think it's definitely not enough.. Bakit Hindi enough? Kasi Ang kalat Ng curriculum mga bhiee, ang dami masyado ng career path sa computer computer tapos pinagsamasama nila... Basically after graduating alam mo lahat ng basics puro basics puro fundamentals pero it's still gonna be hard to get a job.. The reason I dropped out is actually because of Solidity and AI... It was December and back then I was in ano, web3/crypto.. I got side hustles in crypto (not necessarily computer related) pero I talked to a Solidity dev and that's when I realized na Hindi tinuturo Yung Solidity sa college.. Ang dami nagsasabi na in demand ang computer jobs, and at 19 I found out na that's because the tech industry overtakes the curriculum... If you think about it Kasi mga brosis, if nursing student ka, well yes going to a university is actually great kasi most surgical procedures and medicines have already existed for centuries, basically not much have changed..
On another hand, "TECH" Solidity/Web3 has improved annually and after that may lumabas nanaman na "AI" As I've said ha I'm only 19 and I may miss a few important concepts pero opinion ko lang Naman Yan. Pero what I did was pick a coding language (depends on the job you are looking for) and to compensate for the lack of education I'll also try to get into call center to improve my communication skills and syempre para may sarili akong Pera.
Tinapos ko to pero pag talagang naghahanap ako ng job hiring sobrang hirap makapasok kahit gradute pa ako ng Comsci masakit .. kase feeling mo grumaduate ka lang pero walang sense.. salamat before ako mag bootcamp nakita ko agad to... Iba parin ung self study.. apaka lawak ng tech industry i hope sa maalign ako sa tech industry na tinapos ko.
Salamat sa idea po.
Thanks for watching 🙏🏽Best of luck on your tech journey!
Oo nga po sir kokonti lang tech talents natin pero mahirap talaga makapasok
Kaya dapat nasa isip mo palagi bago ka mag apply is (they are always looking for the best candidate)so tatanungin mo sarili mo talaga e (am i the best candidate yet?) So i peprepare mo nanaman yung sarili mo mag reresearch ka muna about the company pero sa tingin ko talaga pag nag fail ka in one company ma fefeel mo na nag lelevel up ka , kase (you've been through the situation of rejection)masasabi mo sa sarili mo . Atleast na boost yung comunication and social skills mo so ngayun ready ka na sa next company to apply with.but the difference is from the recent failure ,alam mo na yung need mong baguhin sa sarili mo which is a good practice for your morality
-Nice video sir thank you
Thank you for sharing your insights!
Thanks Kuya Dev, I've learned a lot
So glad it helped! Thanks for watching!
self taught web developer din ako, i know basic knowledge on HTML CSS AND JAVASCRIPT and nagcreate nadin ako mga projects thru frontendmentor, kaso nasstuck ako ngayon nagapply ako kaso ang hirap , di ko na alam susunod gagawin ko maganda sana kung meron kasama na mag self study para magtulungan kung sakali sa mga codes
Join our community then! You could meet study buddies and create study groups. 😁 techcareershifter.com
nice episode Kuya Dev, first time checking out your video and channel out of curiosity, i have the same sentiments, i'm leaning towards to having my brother go self-study for 1-2 months then proceed to a web dev bootcamp.
Thanks!
Sounds like a good plan. I-gauge niyo muna kung kaya niya magself-study. Sayang rin yung ibabayad sa bootcamp. 😁
@@KuyaDevPodcast thank you:)
Hi po kuya Dev, thanks for sharing! IT student po ako tapos ga-graduate na. I have also have a time in my life na gusto ko na rin mag-drop out kasi working student din po ako, dagdag pa na nagkapandemic wala akong magamit na pc or laptop. Kaso dito sa Pilipinas kasi iba 'yung tingin nila sa mga college drop out, makakatanggap ka ng disappointments sa mga kamag-anak at kakilala. Any advice po sa mga ga-graduate na?
Hi, Maricar!
Think like a self-learner and build your skills. Then look for foreign employers, better kung remote para di mo na kelangan umalis ng bansa. I have an episode on how to find them. ua-cam.com/video/d9I-tUrv9hU/v-deo.html
puwede po ba kaya makapasok sa tech industry kahit makagraduate nang college at age of 28 or 30 years old
kuyadev.com/s01e04 😉
Thank you sir Dev. I have been thinking of shifting my career. And my current job/career (Theology) is far different sa gusto kung tahakin na bagong career. I know it will be challenging. But if nakaya niyo po, I think I can also. I am on my 30s na din. Any advice po what to learn first going to tech industry? Thank you po sir Dev!
Hi, Percy! Kaya yan, as long as you're willing to put in the time and effort. 😁
Start with our wiki: wiki.techcareershifter.com
Subscribed ! . Thank you sa video na to . My video kba about tutorial hell ? stuck kase ako sa tutorial hell .
Wala pa akong tungkol sa tutorial hell. Sige, pwede nating ipila yan. Salamat!
Ok lng kaya mag full stack agad or ur first job seeking kuya bsta you met the skill kuya.di ka kaya questionin.haha., sabihin need mo ng experienced. Or employed. I want to pratice kse kuya in two years. Or 3 then applying na po if iknow na kaya ko na haha.
First job? No. Focus on a specific part of web dev. Specialize.
Entry-level full-stack jobs are just companies trying to be stingy with their money. Besides, sobrang vague ng “full-stack”. What does it really mean? What tech does it require? Lahat? It’s impossible to learn everything. 😅
@@KuyaDevPodcast I am specialize po sa analyzation hahaa, may tiwala po ko sa sarili ko, i can be a full stack react/node js developer hmm. Haha.
Sir Good Day! Where na po yung interview nyo kay Jimson Sulit?
Season ender siya. So around Jan-Feb. 😁
sakin kase parang gusto ko yug bootcamp kase may job assistance na try ko mag apply from self study pero malabo
kumusta kuys, nakakuha ka trabaho after bootcamps? Guaranteed ba talaga na makakakuha/tutulungan ka nila makakuha ng Job?
Medyo hesitant ako pumasok sa bootcamp kase baka masayang pera? (may kamahalan daw kase bootcamps?)
Sa tingin mo sir kaya ko kaya mag full stack developer as self taught.hayy hahha prang hirap ng online payment. But mahirap din mag design responsive but i learned to normalize data..and crud.
Kaya lahat yan. Time and effort ang kelangan.
@@KuyaDevPodcast salamat po ng mrami sir sa pag motivate🙌🙋❤️❤️❤️
Hello Kuya Dev, gusto ko sana mag self study then mag bootcamp while working as a full time freelancer. Nahihirapan po ako mag decide kasi I am a Senior High School graduate at baka after bootcamp is hindi maka pag land ng job. Most of the employers po ba required ng college level or college grad? Or di po ba sila tatanggap ng Senior High School graduate?
bootcamp requires your focus, if you want to learn coding do the bootcamp immediately, i had colleague working while doing bootcamp, and she didnt manage, for sure you will land a job, regrdlss of your educational background.....
@@kolakeman-gpuro6916 just hesitant about it po, I mean I am willing to learn coding ang problem is yung tuition fee is a lot of money worried lang ako baka di makapag land ng job after ng bootcamp, for you po is it wortth it trying?
@@mylesmanayaga3300 uo nmn, dito s mga vlog ni kuya dev, cnbi nya rin n s una lng mhirap mkhnap ng work, khit san industry nmn, it the first one n mhirap to land a job, but the moment you had that, kaw nmn pgaagawan ng company....many dev vloggers also shared their story about that...
In addition to what Kolake said, try going through our wiki:
wiki.techcareershifter.com
Hello po same tayo senior high lng ask ko lang na try mo na po pumasok sa bootcamp?
fly high
Thank you! 😍
anu ba company mo kuya dev at bka pwede mgapply, after my bootcamp...hehe
Ah I work for Prosple. Don’t have entry-level openings pa at the moment tho. 😅
self study ka di ba paps?
Yes. kuyadev.com/s03e01
Yeah bulok school 😅, normal days.D sna. Puruhan nila ituro need ng tao.