INSANELY AWESOME $900 TIMBER FRAMING CHISELS
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We’re slowly but surely working on gathering the tools we need to build our home but as we’re attending a timber framing workshop in the near future, we have a list of tools that we need to bring with us! At the top of that list are timber framing chisels - something we’ve been on the lookout for for two years with no luck. That said, we decided to bite the bullet and buy them new from Barr Tools. We didn’t go cheap on these - we went with quality and hope they are fortunate enough to build many homes over the course of their life!
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Timberframing? You tuber: Mr.Chickadee. Won't regret watching, guarantee!
High quality chisels will be of a laminated steel construction with a harder steel for the cutting edge and a softer steel for the body. I hope you also have a good set of sharpening stones to maintain the edges on those new timber framing chisel edges. Sharp tools cut much easier than dull edges.
talk dirty. like it
The cool things about a tool is what you build with them, and then teaching your children and/or grandchildren how
to use them along with the projects that you build together...
Last, passing them along to future generations.
I have many old hand tools which I received from my Grandfather and they are some of my most precious keepsakes along
with the memories I have of him...
When I first watched one of your videos, NEVER, NEVER, NEVER imagined they would help me to improve my English, learning lots of new words! TOOLS! Now I know that a "cincel" is a chisel...LOVE YOU!!!! .....
All I can add to all the good advice everyone has been giving you is DITTO!!! Be safe, have fun, and be blessed...
Thanks for another fun video....
I totally dig how excited you guys are about your adventure. I hope to one day follow your path into homesteading. Love your videos.
There are lots of chiselers on UA-cam. I am glad to see two of you are of the more honest and respectable variety.
Jesse, I had been having bad back and neck pain, and headaches. I quit coffee, (and smoking) and COMPLETELY removed any foods with ANY sweeteners (and gluten bearing grains) and I have been doing so much better. I hated losing the coffee but the results have been worth it. just figured it was worth mentioning. Hope you see this.
You two are adorable. Love the reactions from both with regard to the tools, especially those "curls".
A couple of notes: Don't leave chisels lying around without a sheath. When you're working on timbers, it's real easy to knock an idle chisel off a timber so that it falls and amputates a toe. Sheaths all the time. That bathroom scene was a classic instance of significant danger.
Also, that rusty chisel isn't in such bad shape! It's kind of an odd geometry; it's extra long for deeper mortises or making dadoes. Definitely a worthwhile too. You don't have to get all the corrosion of it in order for it to be useful. Note that the old chisel isn't perfectly flat from front to back. (At least it looked that way.) Many old timber frame chisels were made with a slight banana bend so that the handle lifts off the work surface. That keeps your fingers from grinding along the timber. A useful feature. I don't think Barr Chisels have that. I know Autine chisels don't have it either.
Finally, that big crosscut saw will need a large sharpening jig, or else it will only be useful as a decoration.
Enjoy the Shelter Institute! Their store is a real candy shop for timber framing.
Great choice in chisels. I owned the 2" and 1.5" Barr chisels and used them to build a timber frame cabin. Great tools. They were absolutely worth every penny and when I was done I (reluctantly) sold them for a significant fraction of what I paid. Money well spent. For what it's worth I also used an electric chain mortiser and though expensive it was a great time saver. I also sold it and got a lot of my money back.
Great video, so much humor. You guys are doing so well!!!
I can see you two are having a great time making these video's and I can't wait until you start the timber frame house!
That last saw is made for green wood also. softer fibers and the water in it acts as a lubricant.
Make sure you oil all tools before you put them away to reduce the rusting.
I started out with 3 very basic, albeit very serviceable, chisels about 20 years ago. A friend sewed me a tool roll from light-weight duck canvas with fitted slots. I still have it, and still use those tools. Never been dinged up nor rusty, and the roll has hardly any sign of wear or aging. Duck can be purchased in varrying weights and water resistancy, so is ideal for bladed tools (and very reasonably priced). I also have a holster made from scrap duck for my small double-bitted axe.
+Larry from Lincoln County, WA Good tip! I think we have some duck cloth around here. Would make a great pouch. :)
And check out Mr Chickadee's channel for some real pointers on timber framing.
Yes he is great
I love your videos. You guys are awesome. Ive been binge watching the entire series. I wish i could go back in time and like all of them. I feel guilty now. Keep up the good work.
One trick that I learned from a drywaller. He uses old Samsonite hard side suitcases to hold his trowels etc. Writes on the outside his name & the contents with a black marker.
Strong, cheap, easy to store, easy to carry, protects your vehicle & protects your tools.
You can foam each half of the inside using plywood, black fabric & vapor barrier.
you guys are absolutely amazing love what you all are doing
I placed my order for that book while you were still talking! Love you guys!
The shine in the back is from when the chisel is Sharpened.
LOVE YOU GUYS!! Thanks for the fun video. God Bless.
My cousin was a master wood carver during his last years. He was well known in his field. His wife would get old chisels and screwdrivers, pretty much anything with a handle. He make specialized chisels from those items. After shaping, grinding, and polishing, except for the handle, looked new. Have fun with your new chisels! And your remade old ones.
While it's probably true the whole of america can't function without Mr W's advice on toolcare and sharpening !!!
The rest of the world worked out the basics 10,000 years ago and has been refining those skills as new materials like bronze and iron were added to the toolkit. The wood - well that's pretty much remained unchanged over such a short time (in global terms).
The internet and Mr W are very new additions to the knowledge base of humanity, and it's somehow managed so far.
Great videos as always :) Thanks for the hard work. Nice chisels ! Can't wait to see them in use :)
Ok, on Easter Sunday, I now officially have another sin to confess. Chisel envy.
Jesse. I feel you when you say you had a hard time pulling the trigger on that purchase. But here is something that may help you in the future. There are those who are consumers and those who are investors. Consumers buy things without logic and things that deliver little to no return on investment. Investors buy things based on the value the item will save or earn over the life of the item. Keep up the great work. Your channel is booming since I last checked almost a year ago. Incredible growth.
another informative video done exstremely well in your special way thank you.
Awesome Video! If you're wanting to protect your tools further and from what you described an oilcloth tool wrap (or roll up, not sure of the technical name) sounds perfect and they have a very nice look/feel to them.
Love following your journey!
that timber slick looks awesome
Hi Jessie and Alyssa, as an old carpenter piledriver, --I am jealous of your chisels! Those things are so big you won't find anything that fits them, the best roll /sheath is an oiled leather but that is harder to make , and for chisels that big, it could tend to get really thick, second best is an oiled / water proofed with beeswax canvas. It should not be anything with plastic as this can promote rust.
Good luck in your timber frame.
Best to you Both
Patrick
good to see you back.
Yeah we know who you are talking about with the tool box and the perfect wood shop...... im jealous too
hey guy's i have been watching now seen almost the beginning and just wanted to say that i love the vids and the fact that you are not sticking the label of "off grid" or "homesteading " to your home build. Nothing wrong w either but a lot of us enjoy our creature Comforts but still want to do it mortgage free and if we can stick it to " the man" even better. keep up the good work
+John the carpenter We aren't a huge fan of labels because once you use it, people define you by it ;-) We are just ourselves!! Yes, we do enjoy some creature comforts too. Labels are pretty limiting.
One thing I learned about chisels, hand planer blades, and spoke shave blades need sharpened every time you use them. Old timers told me that even new blades need touched up. I thought they were blowing hot air, turned out they were right. They just work so much better if they are freshly sharpened. Learning how to sharpen them was more work than actually using them. Good luck and make sure you don't stab yourself in the leg with that slick LOL!
It’s so beautiful thank you
Pure Living For Life - Don't worry, apparently you guys are close to us(or drove close by us!!) We went to that same guys house and he asks retail for his stuff anyway!! He has a TON of stuff, but he wants way to much for anything!
good tools are a blessing
What a great video. I had fun watching it.
YES! Jesse!!!!!!!! So happy for you! :D
Here's the timber frame grape arbor I am working on. I can relate to your tool search woes. I ended up buying used chisels & slicks with missing or broken handles, replacing the handles, and having them professionally sharpened. Sharpening services are very reasonable (my guy does a chisel for $6). One thing I would do differently is learn how to use sketchup first.
I did all my drawings in Visio because I know Visio.
Having a skilsaw which could cut at least halfway through my timbers would also have been really nice. Instead I always have to cut a bit by hand.
I am not using green wood, that would be really nice. But working with dry wood isn't too bad with sharp tools.
My chisel covers are made from cardboard and strapping tape :-)
One thing I've learned from timber framing that I really like is to make all my cut lines with a box knife instead of a pencil. A knife makes a very, very narrow line which makes for more perfect cuts and chiseling, and thus tight joints. I also like not having to sharpen a pencil. I have also learned to always measure from the same side of the timber. Timbers are not like dimensional lumber from a factory :-)
Other tools you will need:
- Mallet
- Mortise marking gauge (for scribing your mortise and tenon locations)
- A comfortable workspace with good lighting. Timber framing is very time consuming. But also very enjoyable. You will want to put your timbers on blocks or something to bring them up to a comfortable working height. I have mine on two heavy duty plastic boxes stacked on each other.
It is interesting that both my mallet and mortise gauge were made in Sheffield England, by different companies.
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Happy Easter guys! JC
Holy crap man, that's seriously pricey chisels, hope they work like a dream.
Texas heritage woodworks. They make a fantastic tool roll. It is hand made using waxed canvas. It has leather straps with hand penned rivets.
The bedtime clock is ticking here on the East Coast so I may be overlapping ideas but I usually throw a few wraps of electrical tape on my wrenches for comfort and the chance that I may need them for electrical work.
Those are Amazing !! Never seen anything like them. You are right -- typically the tongues do use harder steels in a good chisel - saw them doing this on the PBS Woodsmith Shop a blacksmithing episode. After you wrap them, You might want to have a sealed box with dessicant in it, or at least rub them down with oil each time.
Casmoline for the metal... it's amazing. Extremely popular in protecting expensive machined parts...
Linseed oil on the handles and Boe-Shield T9 on the metal to help prevent rust. I use the T9 on my cast iron table saw.
For protecting your chisels from weathering during storage, try using a leather or denim roll of fabric with sewn pouches. The fabric pouch and rolled storage layout should wicker away any moisture.
My friends have used a chisel a lot and I will use the flat side down around side up but I could be wrong look into it also are usually put linseed oil on the handles and on the steel good luck and God bless
The comment alert on her phone @1:23 lol
A Timber Framer's Workshop by Steve Chappell is another good one. If you nerd out on it like me and want to do all the structural calculations.
Hay guys ,when I see the Home Depot ad again I'll let you know ! Great Chanel ,learning along with you is great and fun too ! Go Wranglerstar 🌲
Watch how its done by a master .....tips from a shipwright...including what to coat the handles with (NOT linseed oil) . I recently bought some pricey lathe chisels . They come in a protective plastic tube. I would buy short sections of pvc pipe with end caps. At the bottom of each pipe place a piece of oiled rag for the tip to sit on. Before sealing the cap make sure the tool is dry . Bundling the pipes together is also an option. You might consider adding desiccant packs to the storage pipes.
a really cheap and effective protective case for those is using PVC pipe. Cap off one end and put a hockey puck at the bottom (or any cushion of your choice) and you can either plug the other end of the PVC pipe with another cap (friction fit) or a screw on cap (mostly water tight). For moisture, you can toss in a few silica bag from other products you've purchased. Just made it up, but would work.
I am so into your videos and really look forward to your learning a new trade together.
I used to take clean real diapers and put some oil on them, not soak them. When I was done using my tools I would wrap up certain tools in the oily diapers. They would come out just like brand new for years.
Congrats on the nifty tools, Hope you also bought the sharpening tools.
The disappointment of owning a cheap, inferior tool recurs every time you use it, but a superior tool is always a joy no matter how much it cost.
+Hoz Holla So well said! In my professional life, and as we have quickly learned with filming, the quality of the tool, even if hands of the most skilled of craftsman, will ultimately dictate the quality of the final product.
I store some of my hand tools in my box with silica gel to help prevent rust.
That Barton -183? chisel is a real treasure and QUITE restorable with washing powder, rebar, wire and a battery charger.and ZAP No rust - good as new in less than 10 hours AND a handle is easy to make. Less that two days and one SUPER chisel I'd love to have.
Since you guys will be timber framing a lot, I recommend getting a good set of diamond plates. I use sandpaper on glass and a regular stone, but your chisels will need touching up a lot during your work, it's a good idea to have them.
You were cutting downhill. if you turn that board around so the chisel is trying to go uphill in regard to the grain, it would improve your shaving.
Pretty!
I believe the difference in sheen is caused by the the final honing of the chisel. One of the final steps, following forging, grinding, and assembly, is to flatten the back of the chisel on a wet stone before sharpening the edge.
I got a a few wood handled saws that size or bigger at a garage sale for like 50 cent a piece a lil rusty but sharp looked new except for the surface rust
Lightbulb Idea for storing the chisels... Lubricate a cloth with WD-40 or lubricating oil and store in PVC pipe of the correct diameter with caps on each end.
I put all my chisels in pvc pipe to keep them safe it's soft enough not to damage the handle or blade, also you can use boiled linseed oil to keep the handles and the blades free of rust
lucky you nice tools!
fluid film for rust prevention on all tools and equipment and evaporust for rust removal on your old tools. I am in a similar situation to you all only I'm remodeling an old house, and I can fully recommend these two things they work great.
Linseed oil is good but there is a product known as "Lin-speed", you can purchase it on eBay . I've been using this for gun stocks, axe handles, etc. Wipe them in Three in one oil if their going to sit for awhile ago. Looking forward to watching you use them. Another good video.
Build yourself a caddy or wooden box for them. Also make sure you keep them oiled Balistol is good and use tongue oil for the handles.
You guys have replaced my "utube happy time" since Cacey Neistat moved on...your LOVE and total synergy thing is wonderful.
Those are like heirloom tools, hand them off to your kids. Thanks for sharing.
Another tool you will find a real asset is a Silky KatanaBoy 500mm $99 on amazon was 165 last year but they came out with a kantanboy 650.
Have you tried sharpening the older tools that you have or did you think about restoring the old crusty ones that you came across?
My father used an oiled canvas material for all his tools. Each tool had its on pocket.
I can almost guarantee we'll find those chisels in your tool box at the end of your frame build. I bought some a few years back and have been very satisfied with the performance.... I happen to think that the old chisel you were kinda hard on looks pretty good. Send it along and I'll clean it up for you and send it back - or if you really don't want it I'll put it to use. A low speed grinder like a Tormek (or the Jet knock off) to square it followed up by some Japanese water stones and it will be good as new!
those are sweeeeeet chisels nice buy
New nickname.....Blister!!! aka Jesse shows up when the works all done:)
We work a auction in Florida, somebody bought Home Depot returns and out them in the auction there were hundreds of power tools and hand tools😎
Take it from a seasoned Garage Saler - "Ya gotta do the miles, to get the smiles" ;)
Just in case you haven't discovered it: check out Mr. Chickadee on YT; he's timber framed his shop and is timber framing his house.
Ok, on Easter we all have missed you where have you been any way Ok,. Happy Easter
from Wasilla, Ak.
Here in Yorkshire old England we use old leather sofa skin and make a roll so every chisel has its own pouch and they all roll up in the leather and tie up with an old lace out of a pair of boots
+John Little Excellent!
the reason there seems to be a different grind on the back is when you sharpen a chisel you need to flatten the back, if you look carefully you'll see that it's finer scratches and in a different direction on the lower part compared to the upper part
IF you want to remove rust from old tools check out what auto restorers use in the form of a dip for rusty auto parts. It is a mix of water and molasses. Leave immersed for 6,8,hours.Videos exist concerning this mix. Love old tools!
lol love the comment notification and 1:22
In addition to the roll up pouch, consider putting some boiled linseed on the wood handles
A person who buys cheap tools is destined to buy them again, and in the mean time do substandard work + frustration.
I think a chef's knife bags would be a really great way storing your new chisels, they make them so there pretty water tight and they zip closed. Just a suggestion but I have some very large, long and heavy kitchen knifes that store very well in these kinds of bags. There rugged and take a beating and they have lots of pockets for many, in this case chisels..
Hey were did you design your house? Like the blue prints. I really would like to build my own home too and on the works of saving for that. I'm 19 at the time and been stock piling tools. Keep up the great work !
Her voice is wonderful
Heres an idea find some real dry wood and build a chisel box for your chisels spray them with rust inhibiter wrap them separately with parchment paper . When you put them away for long periods you could put silica packs in with them or use a hand warmer . The hand warmer uses all available oxigen so no oxidation . Hand warmers are also good for long term dried food storage they are made of sawdust and iron oxide [ rust ] so they are not toxic , they become ridged when there spent .
The smooth area on the back is where it was sharpened flat!
I would kill to have that old chisel. My great grandfather had one but my great uncle sold it before anyone could say they wanted it. To wood workers those kinds of tools are the bomb. My husband has been a cabinet maker for the majority of our marriage. His great grandfather founded a carpenter's union in Illinois. To have something like that and get the privilege of restoring it. You really don't know what you have.
First thing I would do is take laquer remover remove the laquer and sharpen them to the point they are scary sharp and remove the stain and put linseed or danish oil on it instead.
Kydex lined with felt or something soft might work as sheath.
Barton chisels were (and still are) unique as the hardened protion of the blade extended almost to the neck of the blade and could be sharpened to that point. Newer chisels the hardened portion stops about half way up the blade. A lot of the blades were sharpened to nearly that point if they were used a lot. My father had a few of them and the blades were about half the length of newer blades and still sharpenable. Mack Tools bought them in the very early 1900's.