Wait, this makes me so sad about Christian 🥺🥺🥺 I'm gonna really really miss her! She always brings such empathy and centers the conversations well!! I always was eager to hear from Christian’s perspective & have deeply appreciated times she would share on her relationship with God, what she's been learning, what honest questions she had that need to be asked. I hope she reads this to know how appreciated her voice has been throughout the years. Things won't be the same without her 😭 It feels a little cold or abrupt to not have more of a proper send off for her if she’s really not gonna be part of the show anymore. She’s been here since the beginning & part of the heart of this show. I can understand how work with friends can be super complicated & above all, the friendship is so much more important. It just feels weird to not have Christian’s voice be present in this announcement, idk. Oh Christian, if you’re reading this, please know I’ll miss you a ton & lots of listeners will miss you on the show!! Oh my heart is so sad 🥺♥️ We love you, Christian!!♥️♥️♥️
Feels like we need an entire episode dedicated to Christian and her impact and segments from former episodes highlighting things she’s shared that have been very meaningful for so many people. Christian spoke from her heart and made things more personal and grounded, which is such a needed voice. She’s shared so many beautiful things over the years, stories and insights that deserve more recognition. Many times she got interrupted when sharing something beautiful such as relationship with God and I wanted to hear more but she would get cut off too short. Her voice was always so important for the conversations happening on this show. Christian shared things dear to her heart so much so that she’d be crying on the show and I’d cry with her. Her open heart made a difference and I think we just need more recognition for her part in bringing this show to life over the years, the voice she brought to the table. Her presence made a difference and brought a good balance to the show. You will be missed, Christian.
@@ChristianTaylorVO I’m so glad it means something to you bc your presence on this show has meant a lot to me 🥺♥️ I’ve been crying since hearing the news and I can only imagine how hard it must be for you. I’m glad you have your own podcast & will now be listening to your podcast!
I have been meaning to write a @ChristianTaylorVO appreciation post for years now. I hope you get to see this, Christian. I don't know all of the details here, but please know that you have been such an incredible blessing to our household with your insightful questions and heart. You always get credit for asking good questions, because you do, but I want to highlight the many times that you have also shared your personal walk with God and how you've wrestled with trying to live more faithfully. Your hope for the world and for the possibility of holiness rings out in a cynical world. I remain grateful for your honesty, your humility, and the way you listen. Thank you for urging us toward the things of God. May he richly bless you in the seasons to come.
I'm going to miss Christian saying "bye, everybody" at the end of the episodes she appeared in. I found it really comforting and really looked forward to it. 😢😔
Guys... please don't leave it like this. It was not wise to announce Christian was leaving by VO. I assume there are mitigating circumstances but y'all, there's no way to make this not read as heartless, even callous. I'm assuming the best of you right now but I'm not sure I should, that was such a bad choice. At the very least, I wish you had taken some more time. With her often busy schedule, we wouldn't have necessarily thought anything was wrong for a month or more. And maybe a proper tribute to her contribution could have been crafted by then. She was your "audience surrogate". I think lots of people are going to let you know that over the coming days. Be careful: you're going to be tempted to simply dismiss audience reactions because we "don't know all the details". And many of us have heard such things from Christian leaders before. I hope you won't give in to that. Because it doesn't matter that we don't know what happened, we all know there will be different perspectives on what happened. It's still on you to communicate with us in a way that shows you understand how much people loved her, how sad people will be she is not around anymore, and that you actually did value her contributions or at least understood how much WE valued her. You did not do that. Your work is important. Perception is also important. If I were y'all, before doing or saying anything else, I would seek advice from people who care about all of you. Someone will likely echo what hundreds of people are saying in these comments, that the appearance of this is just awful. There has to be something more you can do to honor her, and something that better represents the desire of this podcast to be a model of character and leadership in this media space. What you do next might care for and console your audience. Or you could clam up, wall up, and feel justified in doing so. Please, choose to care for your audience, even if at this precise moment, you don't know exactly how to do that.
Can you please have a final episode with Christian and/or dedicated to Christian and her contributions over the years? A canned statement slapped in between segments simply is not enough given what she’s brought to the show and to thousands of listeners for almost 12 years.
@@makejesusgreatagain7220 HR issues are tricky. Christian seems to have been stretched thin and perhaps that became an issue. Christian has also shared that she has the challenge of being bi-polar. I don't know what's really going on, but this has been handled in a very strange way. I hope after reading all these comments, Phil sees fit to try and explain things again. I too appreciate Christian's frank "so what should we do?" And I will miss her terribly.
I agree that would’ve been nice, but it’s clearly not going to happen. Read between the lines, dude. Phil and Skye fired her. She didn’t “decide to move on,” she was fired. She’s not going to be on again. And I think the announcement was very badly done, in spite of the comments Phil made about supporting her other ventures
Agree with all being said about the way Christian's departure was announced. Very disappointing and would have expected more from the HP. Christian, you are valued and loved!
Extremely disappointed to hear about Christian. She was the ‘Everyman’. Kaitlyn brings the cerebral, intellectual, theological and academic perspective which I need. And Christian brought the regular, down to earth perspective, and asked the obvious, simple questions. I need them both. 😢
46:32 What!? No! Christian, is like the heart of the show!? 😢 😭 The fact that it's Phil and Skye's decision makes me more sad, and questioning the direction of the show
I would love/expect to know more about why they cut her from the show, it seems both disrespectful and worrisome that they stuck a goodbye after the episode and before the adbreak with basically no real explanation.
Well, there is a lot we don't know. We shouldn't jump to conclusions and assume the direction of the show is somehow problematic because of this. I do agree with the sentiment that this should have been at the beginning of the episode or at least had a chapter named and devoted to it. She will be missed!!!!
I am a little shocked by the way it was announced that Christian Taylor is leaving the show. For a podcast that models and preaches authenticity, and transparency, this little sound bite was very disconcerting. It sounded more like the way a mega church would politely share a very difficult firing of a long time staff member.
Because they are hypocritical. They say those things as a bait and switch. Preaching one thing hoping people won't care when they break their own rules
This isn’t like the HP. You guys don’t drop bombs like this, you explain and invite others to share their points of view. I look forward to soon hearing an episode of this gigantic change and ALL of those involved so you all can keep your friendship open and honest. We deserve that honesty from The Holy Post.
I sure hope so. HP was my #1 Podcast. I have become a Patreon subscriber recently, have bought many books by all the hosts, and subscribed to Skyes Devotional and have always thought of the HP as a solid place in a crazy world... Now I am questioning whether or not to even listen anymore. I am not saying that they do not have a right to make decisions for their business (of course they do) they just handled it in such an uncaring manner. Plus Christian spoke for a big part of their listeners and after reading many posts it seems like those listeners are feeling dismissed as well, as if their "everyman" thoughts are not welcome.
Oh My!!! That was an extremely disappointing announcement and delivery. I appreciate Christian’s humble perspective. She often brought the focus back to Jesus and our daily walk with Him. I don’t think you realize what balance she brought to the program. I’ve been missing Christian and wondered what was happening. Christian there’s a giant vacancy without you❣️
I would love/expect to know more about why they cut her from the show, it seems both disrespectful and worrisome that they stuck a goodbye after the episode and before the adbreak with basically no real explanation.
Like so many here, I will miss Christian's weeks on the Holy Post!! I have loved her through the years, and it feel really strange how it was announced. If you want to keep a personal relationship with her, it seems like it would be nice to have her come say good-bye. Although maybe she didn't want to do that. Thank you, Christian, for representing so many of us through the years!! I'm not sure those of us who haven't been to seminary can find that same connectedness with the others.
Seconds after Katlyn talked about being challenged by those we don't agree with, they mention they removed someone from the show because of disagreement. This is what I mean, it's hypocritical
@@christianchin-ups it's not our place to judge what happened between them. Ideally they can and will work out their personal differences. If they want the details to be public, they will make them public. To clarify, how they announced it is fair game for criticism, and I would agree that it is worthy of criticisms. Also, when they mentioned talking with people who they disagree with, they meant having informal conversations and being willing to listen. I would have to listen to the previous episode again to know how much they meant for it to be in our daily lives and how much it meant for podcasters to invite guests that they disagree with. One thing I'm fairly certain that they didn't mean is that people should have long term ongoing professional relationships with people that they have significant disagreements with. They weren't advocating for people on opposing ends of political and/or theological spectrums to be on podcasts together for years regardless of their disagreements.
It seems like, if permitted, Christian WOULD come on the show to say goodbye, though, right? I mean - even if she didn't particularily want to. .. if only for our sake.
@@christianchin-upsMmmm... idk if we can put any of the onus on Kaitlyn tho. Phil's (cold, undignified pre-recorded) PSA was clear that it was Skye & Himself ONLY who decided to boot her out. We don't know if KS had any part/say in it at all. (What could ANY of them have POSSIBLY disagreed with CHRISTIAN about, right? My ghast is thoroughly flabbered)
I'm going to be so sad not to see Christian on the show any longer. 😢 She was very relatable in her questions and her honesty for those of us who don't have a theological background -an integral voice for those of us who have questions too! Love to you Christian, you will be missed!! ❤
All she gets is a blurb The Holy Post isn't what people think it is. They can't even keep their house in order but tell us to get along. I'm not expecting perfection but this was revealing.
I'm praying for reconciliation for everyone. I've been listening to HP/Phil Vischer Podcast for almost a decade, so the three of you feel like close friends to me, even though y'all have no idea who I am. It breaks my heart to see y'all not on the same page. We can handle business decisions (even though it's still so weird to view HP/PVP as a "business"), but I hope and pray everything is ok on a personal level. I hope that if someone was wronged, that repentance and forgiveness occurs. All three of you mean a good bit to me, and many folks on here. Relationships and people are more important than podcasts, so I genuinely hope everything is ok. Thank you for all that all of you have done in the past few years. Sincerely, Blair Sanders
Again it's a shame because they mentioned pointless theology people argue about, and they can't even get along. We have to look at this, they don't practice what they preach
@@makejesusgreatagain7220Who cares? Look at what's being said not just if you think they're consistent. This is fallacious reasoning. Someone says X is wrong you can't say do you critique the whole alphabet as well?!
So sad to learn about Christian. She was such a wonderful cohost and provided such wisdom, kindness, and balance. I feel that HP is taking a more cerebral approach which I find quite disappointing. Christian was relatable and I loved the questions she asked.
Very revealing, these guys are not respectors of persons. It's all about the public image, behind the scenes I don't think they are who you think they are.
I'm a long time listener to the Holy Post. It has been a refreshing and comforting constant in my life, and appreciate the integrity with which the content is presented. I definitely echo the sentiments that the announcement regarding Christian did not land well. We don't know what's behind the decision or all of the specifics, but I think Phil needs to work on a do-over of delivering that news.
Whatever has been happening behind the scenes, that was an absolutely terrible way to announce Christian's lack of involvement with the show going forward.
Yea it started off awkward and then he just kind of doubled down by saying it was not her choice but theirs. It’s not hard to think that there was a lot more to the situation than how it was presented. Also, if it was as amicable as suggested, you’d think they would have had her on for one last episode and thanked her. But yea. Super weird any way you look at it.
That announcement about Christian Taylor was…. Weird, vague, and I think unnecessary. You could have just said that she was moving on and the other supportive stuff and it would’ve been fine. Why all the stuff about saving the personal friendship? Basically, you fired Christian in order to preserve the personal friendship? That’s what I took from that message. It’s weird, doesn’t make a lot of sense, and begs several questions. Plus I feel like it’s a little humiliating to Christian. I can appreciate that various factors behind the scenes can lead to such a decision. That’s life. But you really shouldn’t get into those reasons publicly unless you’re prepared to say exactly what happened (which you usually should not do, because it’s only one side of the story and it isn’t fair to the other person). I feel like that whole announcement was a real disservice to Christian, in spite of the positive personal statements.
@@concernedkermit8190 I’m not prepared to judge Phil’s entire personality based on this one thing. I think he owes Christian a public apology. That doesn’t make him a bad guy.
@@makejesusgreatagain7220 LOL no. You've dedicated your life to debating people on Holy Post comments, so I guess we're even. Plus I critics others lol. I actually have videos your just a barking dog
@@76JStucki It's not just one thing though. That's why I left as an old fan. See if they actually apologize. Or if they gloss over it or do damage control. Let's let them speak for themselves, don't just take my word for it
what a powerful interview! too many don't consider the cost to society of the overwhelming poverty in our country, let alone the spiritual consequences. thank you for the encouragement and the tools to get off the sidelines and fight this war for our neighbors and ourselves 🙌
I agree with others, I don’t know what happened to cause Christian to be let go from the show, but you guys could have handled it better. She deserved more than a small blip in the show telling us that she wasn’t going to be on anymore. I am really disappointed in this, especially since I started listening to the show because you all were rational voices in a Christian world gone mad.
@@christianchin-ups a whataboutism is when someone tries to distract and downplay something by pointing it out elsewhere. I've never said that this was anything other than poorly handled. I'm not denying that. I'm making sure that you hold conservatives to the same standard.
@@christianchin-upswhat I object to is people who treat them like they're destroying Christianity with heresy and take every opportunity to denounce them while they ignore any damage that conservative politics does to the Church and to the name of Jesus.
I live in Wheaton, IL and have met Phil, Skye and Christian. I've spent a fair bit of time with several of them. I don't know the ins and outs of what happened, and it wouldn't be my place to speak about that even if I did. But I feel compelled to share two thoughts with those not blessed to have spent time with these folk. First, I've found all three of them to be wonderful individuals. I still do. Second, I'd remind all that the Apostle Paul parted ways with Barnabas because of a sharp disagreement. Neither of these men was a demon. Neither was nefarious. And their friendship was restored, as we all know. Please grant these three people the same grace you give to Paul and Barnabas. We don't know the full story and were not appointed as judges in the matter.
I'm very sad about this news about Christian T. I will miss her input and thoughtful questions. I'm excited to watch her interview of Ken Burns, but her presence on the H.P. will be deeply felt by many of us. ❤
@@concernedkermit8190 I'm not defending them on this. In fact, I've already condemned them for it. It was completely inappropriate for them to have announced it this way. Commenting just to leave a friendly reminder that hypocrisy isn't exclusive to them or to liberals in general.
"The situation of the #poor in America is our plight, our sickness. To be deaf to their cry is to condemn ourselves." - Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel (Rabbinical Assembly 1968)
I go after the Holy Post often but I always appreciated Christian. She was so down to earth and not smug like the others. She will be missed. I hope the others take on more humility and treat Christians they dont agree with, with more respect.
I agree that the announcement about Christian Taylor raised more questions than it answered…however, I have personally been in several situations (as a freelance graphic designer & virtual assistant) where it became clear that while I cherished the personal relationship, the business relationship just wasn’t going to work out, so I get it. That said, I also appreciated the different perspective & background that Christian brought to the show (her upbringing and change of viewpoint over time are similar to my own). So, I hope that the Holy Post, going forward, will seek out another host who will be able to provide that relatability. LOVE the Holy Post & all the new projects and look forward each week to new episodes appearing in my podcast feed!!
Please forgive me if I'm misunderstanding (or misinterpreting, for that matter), but it does feel like the announcement this week was more of the world than of Christ. What I poorly mean is that, especially over the last few years, this show has been so helpful for me in finding ways to navigate the difficult moments/interactions that now seem to be happening daily around me without reducing or dehumanizing the other person I'm having difficulty with, while also allowing that person the space to still be God's image bearer. After listening and re-listening to this announcement, i can't shake the feeling that there could still be more bridge-building &/or reconciliation to be done. Again, if I'm way off base, please forgive me. But then I would also feel more comfortable if there was more transparency or light given to the situation (whatever would be prudent or appropriate to all 3 people) so this doesn't begin to feel like the "evengelical-industrial complex" (whoever coined that was a very wise person 😘).
What an AWFUL way to part ways with the person you are trying to keep a friendship with! I heard the announcement on Wednesday and have been trying to find words since. Awful describes it. I've been a listener and Patreon supporter for many years. Hearing that Phil and Sky decided to remove Christian from the podcast unilaterally came as a shock. Let me be clear: it is good that you informed us that she is leaving, but there were certainly better ways to do it. The WAY it was communicated was not honourable to Christian as a co-host, neither respectful to us listeners who appreciate her presence and voice there too.
Great interview - I wish that I could convince the many "self-made" men and women around me about these issues. What a shame too that it was overshadowed by this horribly tone-deaf firing announcement.
This was pointed out about the Christian Taylor situation and it's worth repeating. They just got done listening to Katlyn talk about how healthy disagreement is, and then not even a minute later they announce they fired a longtime, loved cohost, implying that it was to maintain the non bussiness friendship. Essentially implying that in order to get along, she needed to be kicked off the podcast that prides itself in dealing with tough topics. Again, so they can't agree on THEIR OWN PODCAST. However give lipservice to how we get along with other voices. They don't want Christian on the podcast to help their relationship, why else unless they don't like her voice?
It's not our place to judge what happened between them. Ideally they can and will work out their personal differences. If they want the details to be public, they will make them public. To clarify, how they announced it is fair game for criticism, and I would agree that it is worthy of criticisms. Also, when they mentioned talking with people who they disagree with, they meant having informal conversations and being willing to listen. I would have to listen to the previous episode again to know how much they meant for it to be in our daily lives and how much it meant for podcasters to invite guests that they disagree with. One thing I'm fairly certain that they didn't mean is that people should have long term ongoing professional relationships with people that they have significant disagreements with. They weren't advocating for people on opposing ends of political and/or theological spectrums to be on podcasts together for years regardless of their disagreements.
@@makejesusgreatagain7220 Here's the thing though. You are likely putting words in their mouth. As Christians we should be different. If they want only like minded people on their show that's fine. They shouldn't criticize others for doing the same though. Also when have they even had people they don't agree with on to challenge the ideas they hold. Beyond that ONE David French episode
@@makejesusgreatagain7220David French did an episode and he used a Bible verse to justify self defense and owning a firearm. They basically did a follow up episode to explain why he was wrong with Mike Erre. In my opinion it felt pretty disrespectful. They've had lots of opinions presented on the show but I've never seen them do that.
@@pickledorf That's because unfortunately they only want opinions that line up with them on. They want their audience to be filtered through bias. Its a variety of opinions but over the years ive noticed they are very partial. So even when disagreements happen, they drown you with someone that agrees with them so that their opinion comes out on top And then they talk about bias being bad.
Why people don't access benefits: providing home healthcare through medicaid I've known elderly folks who couldn't afford fresh fruits and vegetables, but didn't think SNAP was worth it because they would only get $4/month, or because food stamps would raise their income just enough to lose their housing subsidy which was worth more than the SNAP benefit.
Yeah, the welfare system needs a complete overhaul. The all or nothing thresholds in particular stop many from applying or from working the little that they otherwise could.
And which means you get diabetics eating pasta and sugar cereal, or people with heart disease eating canned soup which is insanely salty because that's what the food bank has
43:35 Kaitlyn “So I believe in the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit indwells you…”. 👏👏 She (and Christian Taylor) are always bringing Phil and Skye back to the truth, the core, the overarching purpose of following Jesus. THANK YOU 💕
Add me to the voices that would really love you guys to address what feels like an unnecessarily unkind way to say that Christian will be leaving. Obviously we don't know and don't need to know all that goes on behind the scenes, but you could have kept the initial part of that announcement and just left it with Christian will be leaving the show. I think most of us would have just assumed she was busy with her other projects. This, though... We fired her because we can't work together AND be friends? That was unnecessary, and does not feel to me like the way to treat a friend. I'm trying to assume the best and hope this came across differently than you intended, but this felt pretty cold... I want to clarify that I have listened to you guys from the beginning, I love the podcast, and I love Caitlyn. That's why I find this so baffling. 🙁
It's really revealing, I'm sorry the fans have to see it like this, but they've been crummy to other people forawhile. Like how they treated Alisa Childers when they lied about her
@@concernedkermit8190you can search for her name alongside the names Keith Giles and Matthew Distefano. There's way too much for me to begin to list it here.
Thanks for busting these myths about poverty. As someone who has experienced housing and food insecurity, I feel so marginalized by the church at large. Individually, the church has helped us greatly, but to see the politicians and right wing "Christians" complain about welfare and SNAP benefits is incredibly infuriating.
I get it, and right wing politics has done great harm to many people in this country. On an individual level, some right wing Christians are generous and do good work for charity, food banks, and similar projects. It's not enough to counteract the harm that their preferred policies do though. That being said, in my opinion it goes too far to say that they're not Christians. I'm sure some of them aren't, but it's not our place to know or to judge their spiritual condition on an individual level. That's between them and God. We're to judge people by their fruit to the extent that we discern whether they're worthy to be learned from and emulated, but judging their salvation goes too far. I understand the pain and hurt that leads to that way of thinking though. It's a large part of why so many of the younger generations are leaving the Church.
@@makejesusgreatagain7220 I agree that some are Christians who say these things. I was thinking of performative politicians who claim Jesus but life a life completely devoid of anything Christlike. I should have explained further!
Love the sweater,Kaitlin. Much of what furnishes my apartment has come from second hand shops. Art work, furniture, clothing, books. Even the bookcases that hold them. There are some great finds. Its like going on a treasure hunt. Plus, recycling stuff and repurposing it. A win win. Been thrift shopping since I was a teen. I'm now a senior. Delighted once again by the engaging conversations, and amusing stories. And do watch Pretty in Pink. It is sweet and tender.
Phil, you are usually good at noticing what people are saying and talking about it, so I’ll pose this question for you. I don’t consistently agree with your show, but I’ve found it so helpful and I’m thankful it. The way you handled this announcement seemed very inappropriate considering the unnecessary depth you went into. Normally, I’d cope it up to information we don’t need to know, but that segment seemed disrespectful to the point of needing accountability.
Yes, most of us are fine with a "she is leaving the show", even though it is sad. The wording gave more questions than answers. Honestly, I wish it was brought up in the news segment so it could be handled by the humans y'all are rather than a scripted monologue that felt really cold.
Phil and the others can be very likable, however their way of speaking about other Christians, and what happened with Christian Taylor is revealing to the fans how maybe the Holy Post isn't what they try to present it as
I know I have spoken unwisely and without sufficient forethought in ways that were hurtful. I pray that Skye and Phil will be able to acknowledge the need to readdress this misstep even if the decision was necessary. Anyone who has never spoken without proper or adequate forethought is free to cast the first stone.
Huh. Well then... without more information I don't exactly know what to think of the situation with Ms. Christian being unceremoniously... let go? Fired? What little context there is between here and the website formerly known as Twitter makes this situation a bit concerning.
Yeah it doesn't look good. What have you seen on Twitter? Actually from them or from other people? Side note: I wouldn't trust Twitter for news unless you have a good reason to trust the actual person who made the post. They're not exactly as reliable as they used to be.
@@makejesusgreatagain7220 Jason Rugg posted this 23 hours ago: "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves." Two hours later Ms. Christian posted a thank you that started with thanks for flowers and emotional support dinner that it seems he and Ms. Julie Boettcher provided. He reposted this. Jason is, from my limited knowledge, currently a cohost with her on her Documentary First podcast and he doesn't seem to be the editor for Holy Post for a while now (and Julie Boettcher doesn't seem to be providing production assistance any longer) since it seems they haven't been credited for a while now/different sources for those services are being credited now. They may have announced this a while back. I might vaguely recall something about this being mentioned, but I could be wrong. Anyway, I'm sort of just making assumptions based on the limited information and those assumptions could be wrong (you likely know the old adage about assumptions), but... yeah.
Friends. You'll remember in a recent episode Phil mentioned Christian's new line of clothing. Christian commented that she got some contact information that helped her from Skye. Skye said that sharing that contact information was not intentional. I think this may be how the situation developed. I'd guess working on the podcast requires an openness of communication that could be difficult if you're also trying to protect other business interests like your clothing line business. This is one of the messy parts of our Christian lives together. (No pun intended.)
It's sick and if they wanted to do more they would have done it. She was blindsided, but they want to be an example of Christ likeness. It's not just Christians outside the show they attack now its themselves
What I find especially weird is the conversation they had leading up to the dreadful announcement. Listen again, just minutes before the break, knowing what we know now. Almost sounded like a set up. So very sad about losing Christian and how this was handled.
Christian Taylor you will be missed…❤❤❤and yes friendships are way more important than business relationships ❤❤❤❤Skye, Phil and Christian friends 4 Eva✌🏾👌🏿☝🏿👍🏿
@@concernedkermit8190 So Christians are not allowed to “fire people”🤔With that being said we do not know what happened exactly and we should hope and pray if their relationship is harmed that the Lord restores it and repairs it ….please show grace and understanding and demonstrate Christian principles and values👌🏿when criticizing….just some brotherly advice
@@562rodlbc They're absolutely allowed to fire people, they also should demonstrate respect towards others. She was kicked the curb after being on the show since the beginning. They brought up a backhanded implication that it was preserve the friendship(embarrassing her). The problem with Holy Post fans, and why I left is they elevate the people on the podcast to high. This wasn't cool, and it's not the first time they've been hypocritical. I caught then lying outright about Alisa Childers and the fans put fingers in their ears unfortunately. Please see what I saw, they're not what you think. They don't repent
@@concernedkermit8190 what do you need to repent of? Maybe instead of dedicating your life to attacking them, you should make sure that your eyes don't have any logs in them.
great interview with Matthew Desmond. Regarding Christian no longer connected with the Holy Post sort of reminds me of how the Eagles (mainly Don Henley and Glen Frey) got rid of Don Felder. That being said, all parties involved may be believers, but all are still fully human and stuff happens. Heart goes out to all involved and may your hearts continue to seek Him.
Speaking of bands, I guess it was definitely better than Alabama firing Mark Herndon after 25 years and then telling people he'd never been in the band 😯
Payday loans take advantage of desperate people. That's just one example of the poor being exploited and abused. The economic injustice system perpetuated by the status quo is sinful. That the rich get away with paying less in taxes than someone like me living on a small fixed income is disgraceful. I had to resort to Welfare, food stamps, and HUD subsidies when my former husband abandoned his family, leaving me with five small children to support. Wearing the scarlet letter D ( divorced) was a stigma I wore by the Christian Community, and even more horrifying was the title given me by The President as a " Welfare Queen." The shame and humiliation inflicted upon myself and children sitting in the Welfare waiting room to having to account for every penny spent, the $ 20.00 given to my child in a birthday card from Grandma, then being deducted from next month's allotment was shameful. Then trying to find a home to rent as a single Mom of five kids and having to sell myself metaphorically to a potential landlord for the privilege of having a shabby roof over our heads, was humiliating. " Pull yourself up by your boot straps""is an insult, reinforced by the Christian community, shamefully. The Prosperity Gospel pushed that narrative forward. I worked two jobs, sometime three, and raised five young kids by myself, was never recognized as being successful because we were poor. We relied in Government assistance; that made us irresponsible lazy leeches. That all five kids are hard working, productive adults, doing fairly well in life supports the argument that giving a hand up actually allows for those in need to flourish and succeed in life. No one in their right mind chooses poverty,or resorting to Government assistance to survive. Those social safety nets need to be strengthened and increased. As does a single payer medical policy, including dental, vision, and hearing needs to be implemented, quality child care provision, and rental provision for the low income wage earners. Its called bestowing dignity and respect on one's neighbor. I dare anyone of my critics to walk in my shoes and not come through a difficult life without gaining a great deal of humility and compassion along the way for the plight of struggling people. The Church should be fighting for economic justice in this nation instead of castigating the poor as being somehow morally or socially deficient. I am eager to read this book. I can readily relate on a intimately personal level the arguments made for a rethinking if the issue of poverty and all of its social, moral, and political ramifications. We can and must do better. Thanks for featuring this perspective. It is needed discourse.
It seems like your rebuttals to the blog post tend to forget what the blog post is talking about. It's not about whether or not the topics are of importance or whether you can study them. It's about whether it makes sense for Christians to argue about them. Are they the sort of thing we need to fight about? For example, of course a biologist would need to study evolution. But what value is there in them arguing with a Creationist? Their job is to observe reality, and make hypotheses, not to debate with people.
“..things are never as complicated as they seem. It is only our arrogance that prompts us to find unnecessarily complicated answers to simple problems.” - Muhammad Yunus, Banker to the #Poor: Micro-Lending and the Battle Against World #Poverty
The answers are incredibly simple. Actually doing it is not easy, at least not when the majority of the people have been indoctrinated with propaganda by the owning class who bribes Washington to pass policies that benefit their billionaire donors over their constituents.
The Lord revealed to me sometimes ago as to why there was a cancellation of debt every seven years. Really it came through experiencing debt myself. The cancellation would help to bring back some equity in an economy. Not having a system of absolving debt strengthens the rich and keep those poor in poverty. Our debt system definitely needs revamping.
Another small detail about the Christian thing. Fans liked her because she was the everyday person. It feels like they wanted only the "educated" elite on the show and the only thing the everyman was good for is their financial support. Christian didn't fit what they're going for.
Regarding the blog post, Kristin Du Mez made a good point in her inter a few weeks ago about staying in a loving relationship with other believers when we disagree
I think they’re missing the point of the article about Christian debate. I don’t think the author considers these issues unimportant entirely, but each of these issues have been used as a test of faith and fellowship. While each of these topics should be considered and meditated on, none of these should have been used to exclude others.
Christian’s podcast is called DOCUMENTARY FIRST, not Documentary now, as Phil said. If you’re really supportive of her, couldn’t you have made the effort to re-record this announcement with the correct title?? Not to mention the lack of farewell…I’m so disappointed. I’ll be taking a break from HP for awhile, both as a listener and Patreon supporter. You can do better.
On Twitter, he acknowledged that mistake and will be addressing it. I don't think he was trying to misdirect. The wrong word came out. Human error. When it comes to media, it gets dicey having to take down a video to re-upload.
"#materialism and #morality have an inverse relationship. When one increases the other decreases." We find that in modern times we have become very materialistic. We want to possess things and buy things. So we get so involved in that kind of thing and then we have to preserve all those things. We don't have time for community work or working for justice. And so we quietly accept injustice because we don't want to disturb our way of life. The more possession we have, the more we are bound to secure them, and keep it growing, and keep it expanding. So we spend all our energy in that effort instead of trying to improve our lives. [Mohandas Gandhi]
I think we should think deeply about scripture. To whatever extent these topics are to be reflected on, there are other topics that deserve more attention. For example, how can the Church solve homelessness? Poverty? Orphan crisis? Wrongly imprisoned? Death penalty? Prison reform? Treatment of aliens, migrants, and refugees? Militarism? Violence? Drug overdose? Suicide? Etc. To put it another way, how can we live up to the mission statement of our Master and his Kingdom of God movement from Isa 61:1ff? And how can we treat and heal the pain and ills of our Body?
Salvation is a question I've had for a long time. If we believe in God and are following Jesus in our everyday life are we saved or are we not saved because we haven't said the "sinners prayer "? The Bible seems to portray both.
Means testing for welfare, and drug testing as well for that matter, costs more money than it saves. The means testing should be that if people want to go through the hassle of applying and live with the stigma of being on welfare for the meager amount that it provides, then more power to them.
The Holy Post- We're pro women Also the Holy Post- blindside and kicked a longtime female employee to the kirb. Yeah no, im glad people are calling them out, these guys are preformers, others have called them out and are continuing too, good.
The parrot was definitely seeing him as carion.😂😂😂😂😂 This is a very important thing that Phil is drawing attention to. The dangers of owning parrots and riding at night.
The scripture plainly states that God judges those nations that oppress the poor. This nation is a classic example of a nation with a selfish and greedy mindset, that exploits the poor, condemns them, derides them, shames them, while corporations receive Government handouts to boost CEO bonuses and stock holders. This is not what faithful Christianity looks like. The reality is, we are a nation that worships wealth, financial success, power, entitlement. By entitlement, I do not mean social safety nets for the single Moms, the immigrants, the low-income seniors, the disabled. A nation is only as good and moral as it treats the disadvantaged, the needy, the veteran, the service workers, the ones who pick the crops, work in factories, and teach our children in public schools, who clean the offices, sit as receptionists, sales clerks, grocery checkers. All deserve a livable wage and the dignity of being seen as valuable. The woman surviving on a woefully inadequate welfare check does not deserve the contempt she and her children endure. No one wants to live like that. Sometimes it is a necessity. Job training, childcare, housing assistance, medical and dental coverage would ho a long way to help put people back on their feet. That was my own story. The Church heaped shame on me. One day, when my children were young, a man knocked on my HUD subsidized door. When I opened it, he handed me a giant trash bag and said," Here,this is a gift from God." I stared at him while he deposited this enormous bag of detritus swept up from people's garage floors, deposited into this sack, and dumped on our doorstep. I was supposed to be grateful for this rubbish. To protect my children from the shame, I made light if it and we pulled the crap out and cracked jokes about what bad taste people had. That was the general attitude towards me. Five children age 7 to the youngest who was not even weaned yet, abandoned by a faithless husband and father who paid not one dime of court ordered child support, and I was the one vilified for resorting to the humiliating process of welfare recipient, food stamps, and food bank lines where the contempt continued. My car died, and I pulled a plastic sled home from the grocery store with the meager stuff that could be purchased with $ 200.00 worth of food stamps per month to stretch thin for a family of six. The revered President Ronald Reagan, the darling of the Church folks, called women like me " Welfare Queens." As soon as my youngest started school, I found work as an assistant teacher for learning disabled students. I was paid peanuts, but it allowed me to be home when my growing kids were home. Four boys need close supervision. I worked with SPED students for almost 30 years. I was able to retire with a small Pers Pension and smaller Social Security check at 68 years of age. I found a subsidized low income apartment to rent where every penny is scrutinized, my bank statements reviewed regularly to make sure I'm not cheating the system. My rent is almost 45% of my monthly income. The community holds its nose at us living in this complex, with million dollar and above homes surrounding us. Now, the Republican Party is again threatening to gut Social Security and Medicare, many of whom boast if their strong Christian faith. Its obscene. I may be poor financially, but they are poor morally. I so identified with Matthew's Desmond's critique of our nation's bureaucratic morass and unwillingness to honestly and consistently address this sin against many hard working citizens. Beautifully told. I may scrape together enough money to buy his books. Kaitlin, I am so grateful for your generous contributation to this discussion. It is way overdue. Thanks.
Ugh. Praying for you all. I will miss Christian's voice on the Holy Post. We have relied on the HP to bring sanity, stability, and Christian community in a time when those things have been hard to find in the media and in many of our circles of faith. Christian made me laugh/cry (in relief and release) more times than I can count. She got me out of my head and into my heart, and for that I am so very grateful to her. Y'all--that announcement of separation was rough. Rough. If this is the end of a formal professional/business relationship, so be it. But we are family here. =)
@@makejesusgreatagain7220 You can't say how you elevate women and then kick someone to curb and give them a blurb implying you couldn't get along. She was on the show since the beginning. I've seen episodes where there's clear tension. What she wasn't smart enough for the show? You didn't want her dragging you down? It's just not right. The backlash will likely make them.respond but I trust that as much as I do "youtube apology videos" this was sinister. Shows what I've been concerned about for awhile. If you can't get along stop preaching at others until your house is in order. I felt Christian brought some great stuff to the podcast.
If the Nebraska Man's Parrot was well attatched enough to ride with him on a bike in the middle of the night he's probably bonded fully and trying to wake him up and panicking that her partner isn't up.
Even if we're just talking about financial benefits, we should have universal healthcare and universal education, including college and trade schools, at least up to a certain level anyway. A healthy and well educated society is a productive society. These investments made into our citizens would pay for themselves in the long run. Using Medicare for All as an example, even if taxes would need to be raised on the "middle class", the fact that medical care would be included would still save people money on average. Not to mention how much more efficient the healthcare system would be without health insurance companies existing. They're just there to be a middleman and to deny enough claims to stay profitable. Private healthcare is inefficient by nature because supply and demand doesn't work for it. Supply and demand breaks down when the demand is inelastic, which means that it doesn't respond to market forces. The "free market" isn't free in the first place, but it definitely doesn't work when the product in question is your life. You can decide to buy a luxury good based on its price, but how much is continuing to live worth? In some cases, competition can drive down prices, but not with healthcare. What matters more is market share. If you give an entity the power to negotiate on behalf of 330 million people, they can get a good deal on it. For all its conceptual faults, this is something that the government is capable of being great at doing, as long as it's not bribed to keep the private system going that is. Not to mention, if healthcare and education were free and people had their basic needs met, why would people want to join the military? A few would want to do so out of patriotism, but not enough. Also, there's still the whole "letting people die just because they're poor" thing. We should not do that.
Wait, this makes me so sad about Christian 🥺🥺🥺 I'm gonna really really miss her! She always brings such empathy and centers the conversations well!! I always was eager to hear from Christian’s perspective & have deeply appreciated times she would share on her relationship with God, what she's been learning, what honest questions she had that need to be asked. I hope she reads this to know how appreciated her voice has been throughout the years. Things won't be the same without her 😭 It feels a little cold or abrupt to not have more of a proper send off for her if she’s really not gonna be part of the show anymore. She’s been here since the beginning & part of the heart of this show. I can understand how work with friends can be super complicated & above all, the friendship is so much more important. It just feels weird to not have Christian’s voice be present in this announcement, idk. Oh Christian, if you’re reading this, please know I’ll miss you a ton & lots of listeners will miss you on the show!! Oh my heart is so sad 🥺♥️ We love you, Christian!!♥️♥️♥️
Feels like we need an entire episode dedicated to Christian and her impact and segments from former episodes highlighting things she’s shared that have been very meaningful for so many people. Christian spoke from her heart and made things more personal and grounded, which is such a needed voice. She’s shared so many beautiful things over the years, stories and insights that deserve more recognition. Many times she got interrupted when sharing something beautiful such as relationship with God and I wanted to hear more but she would get cut off too short. Her voice was always so important for the conversations happening on this show. Christian shared things dear to her heart so much so that she’d be crying on the show and I’d cry with her. Her open heart made a difference and I think we just need more recognition for her part in bringing this show to life over the years, the voice she brought to the table. Her presence made a difference and brought a good balance to the show. You will be missed, Christian.
I can’t even begin to tell you how much this means to me. Thank you.
@@ChristianTaylorVO I’m so glad it means something to you bc your presence on this show has meant a lot to me 🥺♥️ I’ve been crying since hearing the news and I can only imagine how hard it must be for you. I’m glad you have your own podcast & will now be listening to your podcast!
Thank you. So hard for me too. Please do come listen and interact with me there! This week and last we had Ken Burns on! It was awesome.
I just followed your podcast and am eager to start listening!! 🤩
I have been meaning to write a @ChristianTaylorVO appreciation post for years now. I hope you get to see this, Christian. I don't know all of the details here, but please know that you have been such an incredible blessing to our household with your insightful questions and heart. You always get credit for asking good questions, because you do, but I want to highlight the many times that you have also shared your personal walk with God and how you've wrestled with trying to live more faithfully. Your hope for the world and for the possibility of holiness rings out in a cynical world. I remain grateful for your honesty, your humility, and the way you listen. Thank you for urging us toward the things of God. May he richly bless you in the seasons to come.
I'm going to miss Christian saying "bye, everybody" at the end of the episodes she appeared in. I found it really comforting and really looked forward to it. 😢😔
Yeah, one of the best parts of the show
Ikr? All the lil "Christian-isms":
❤❤"Can I just say one thing?". ❤❤
I hope she pops in to visit once in awhile.
Guys... please don't leave it like this. It was not wise to announce Christian was leaving by VO. I assume there are mitigating circumstances but y'all, there's no way to make this not read as heartless, even callous. I'm assuming the best of you right now but I'm not sure I should, that was such a bad choice. At the very least, I wish you had taken some more time. With her often busy schedule, we wouldn't have necessarily thought anything was wrong for a month or more. And maybe a proper tribute to her contribution could have been crafted by then.
She was your "audience surrogate". I think lots of people are going to let you know that over the coming days. Be careful: you're going to be tempted to simply dismiss audience reactions because we "don't know all the details". And many of us have heard such things from Christian leaders before. I hope you won't give in to that. Because it doesn't matter that we don't know what happened, we all know there will be different perspectives on what happened. It's still on you to communicate with us in a way that shows you understand how much people loved her, how sad people will be she is not around anymore, and that you actually did value her contributions or at least understood how much WE valued her. You did not do that.
Your work is important. Perception is also important. If I were y'all, before doing or saying anything else, I would seek advice from people who care about all of you. Someone will likely echo what hundreds of people are saying in these comments, that the appearance of this is just awful. There has to be something more you can do to honor her, and something that better represents the desire of this podcast to be a model of character and leadership in this media space.
What you do next might care for and console your audience. Or you could clam up, wall up, and feel justified in doing so. Please, choose to care for your audience, even if at this precise moment, you don't know exactly how to do that.
My goodness, this is SO well said!!!
Perfectly said, unfortunately I think we will be dissapointed
Thanks for putting the time in to phrase this really well, @jamietaylor4260
This. Exactly this.
Well said.
Can you please have a final episode with Christian and/or dedicated to Christian and her contributions over the years? A canned statement slapped in between segments simply is not enough given what she’s brought to the show and to thousands of listeners for almost 12 years.
Fully endorse this comment!
The fact that this was an audio only statement is deeply concerning. It has me reconsider my membership.
@@curtismartin2866 I canceled mine after they kept both sidesing things that shouldn't be. This is all the more reason to not sign back up.
@@makejesusgreatagain7220 HR issues are tricky. Christian seems to have been stretched thin and perhaps that became an issue. Christian has also shared that she has the challenge of being bi-polar. I don't know what's really going on, but this has been handled in a very strange way. I hope after reading all these comments, Phil sees fit to try and explain things again. I too appreciate Christian's frank "so what should we do?" And I will miss her terribly.
I agree that would’ve been nice, but it’s clearly not going to happen. Read between the lines, dude. Phil and Skye fired her. She didn’t “decide to move on,” she was fired. She’s not going to be on again.
And I think the announcement was very badly done, in spite of the comments Phil made about supporting her other ventures
Agree with all being said about the way Christian's departure was announced. Very disappointing and would have expected more from the HP. Christian, you are valued and loved!
Agreed!!
It's revealing
They lied about Alisa Childer
@@concernedkermit8190how did they lie about her?
#justiceforchristian
These people are not what they say
Makes me sad to hear about Christian. I hope she's not too hurt by the decision. It sounds like that could have been very painful to hear.
They are so fragile they can't even keep christian on when they don't see eye to eye
Extremely disappointed to hear about Christian. She was the ‘Everyman’. Kaitlyn brings the cerebral, intellectual, theological and academic perspective which I need. And Christian brought the regular, down to earth perspective, and asked the obvious, simple questions. I need them both. 😢
For all she did, she gets an embarrassing blurb with backhanded compliments. This show is run by hypocrites
@@concernedkermit8190lots of shows are run by hypocrites, including by conservatives. Do you spam their comments too?
Where do they acknowledge her leaving?
@@MadAtSkullyjust before the ad break before the interview.
@@MadAtSkully before the interview, in the most dismissive way they could have done it
46:32 What!? No! Christian, is like the heart of the show!? 😢 😭
The fact that it's Phil and Skye's decision makes me more sad, and questioning the direction of the show
I missed this and skimmed a replay and didn't hear this? Where was this in the podcast?
@@maryhamricright before the ad break before the interview.
I would love/expect to know more about why they cut her from the show, it seems both disrespectful and worrisome that they stuck a goodbye after the episode and before the adbreak with basically no real explanation.
@@makejesusgreatagain7220 thank you!
Well, there is a lot we don't know. We shouldn't jump to conclusions and assume the direction of the show is somehow problematic because of this. I do agree with the sentiment that this should have been at the beginning of the episode or at least had a chapter named and devoted to it. She will be missed!!!!
Christian’s podcast is called ‘Documentary First’, NOT Documentary Now.
Thank you. ❤
Im shook with the Christian Taylor news😮
As you should be, very crummy what they did. I used to love this podcast
@@concernedkermit8190that's surprising. No wonder you attack them so much. Why did you love it in the first place?
I am a little shocked by the way it was announced that Christian Taylor is leaving the show. For a podcast that models and preaches authenticity, and transparency, this little sound bite was very disconcerting. It sounded more like the way a mega church would politely share a very difficult firing of a long time staff member.
Because they are hypocritical. They say those things as a bait and switch. Preaching one thing hoping people won't care when they break their own rules
Well, bummer. Christian's episodes and commentaries really made the best episodes. So sad to hear this news.
This isn’t like the HP. You guys don’t drop bombs like this, you explain and invite others to share their points of view. I look forward to soon hearing an episode of this gigantic change and ALL of those involved so you all can keep your friendship open and honest. We deserve that honesty from The Holy Post.
I sure hope so. HP was my #1 Podcast. I have become a Patreon subscriber recently, have bought many books by all the hosts, and subscribed to Skyes Devotional and have always thought of the HP as a solid place in a crazy world... Now I am questioning whether or not to even listen anymore. I am not saying that they do not have a right to make decisions for their business (of course they do) they just handled it in such an uncaring manner. Plus Christian spoke for a big part of their listeners and after reading many posts it seems like those listeners are feeling dismissed as well, as if their "everyman" thoughts are not welcome.
@@abbasyaldah yeah
WHAT is going on here? This is super concerning on many levels. You've eliminiated Christian Taylor?!!!!!
You're starting to see now
I feel like I just went through a church split.
This is who they've been unfortunately. Apparently she isn't the first they've mistreated on their show
Oh My!!! That was an extremely disappointing announcement and delivery. I appreciate Christian’s humble perspective. She often brought the focus back to Jesus and our daily walk with Him. I don’t think you realize what balance she brought to the program.
I’ve been missing Christian and wondered what was happening.
Christian there’s a giant vacancy without you❣️
Have to say I'm going to miss Christian. I have appreciated her contributions and the Holy Post + series Christian asks.
I would love/expect to know more about why they cut her from the show, it seems both disrespectful and worrisome that they stuck a goodbye after the episode and before the adbreak with basically no real explanation.
@@michaelbotta1414plus Phil emphasized that she was fired and it was not mutual? Poor taste.
@@jdtreharneyeah, that was handled very poorly.
I thought so as well. Seemed really strange.@@makejesusgreatagain7220
@@jdtreharneHey you … please let us be graceful in our interactions with another❤❤
I love you, Christian Taylor!! ♥️♥️♥️ You've become a friend to me ...
This was so wrong. So tired of people saying one thing and doing the opposite when the cameras stop rolling
THANK YOU CHRISTIAN!!!! Your heart for God and His creation will be missed.
THANK YOU CHRISTIAN!!!!
THANK YOU CHRISTIAN!!!!
🛐🛐🛐🛐🛐
You did more then they were willing to do
Like so many here, I will miss Christian's weeks on the Holy Post!! I have loved her through the years, and it feel really strange how it was announced. If you want to keep a personal relationship with her, it seems like it would be nice to have her come say good-bye. Although maybe she didn't want to do that. Thank you, Christian, for representing so many of us through the years!! I'm not sure those of us who haven't been to seminary can find that same connectedness with the others.
Seconds after Katlyn talked about being challenged by those we don't agree with, they mention they removed someone from the show because of disagreement. This is what I mean, it's hypocritical
@@christianchin-ups it's not our place to judge what happened between them. Ideally they can and will work out their personal differences. If they want the details to be public, they will make them public.
To clarify, how they announced it is fair game for criticism, and I would agree that it is worthy of criticisms.
Also, when they mentioned talking with people who they disagree with, they meant having informal conversations and being willing to listen. I would have to listen to the previous episode again to know how much they meant for it to be in our daily lives and how much it meant for podcasters to invite guests that they disagree with.
One thing I'm fairly certain that they didn't mean is that people should have long term ongoing professional relationships with people that they have significant disagreements with. They weren't advocating for people on opposing ends of political and/or theological spectrums to be on podcasts together for years regardless of their disagreements.
It seems like, if permitted, Christian WOULD come on the show to say goodbye, though, right? I mean - even if she didn't particularily want to. .. if only for our sake.
@@christianchin-upsMmmm... idk if we can put any of the onus on Kaitlyn tho. Phil's (cold, undignified pre-recorded) PSA was clear that it was Skye & Himself ONLY who decided to boot her out. We don't know if KS had any part/say in it at all.
(What could ANY of them have POSSIBLY disagreed with CHRISTIAN about, right? My ghast is thoroughly flabbered)
@@Anabee3 Fans will keep coming back so it doesn't matter.
I'm going to be so sad not to see Christian on the show any longer. 😢 She was very relatable in her questions and her honesty for those of us who don't have a theological background -an integral voice for those of us who have questions too! Love to you Christian, you will be missed!! ❤
All she gets is a blurb
The Holy Post isn't what people think it is. They can't even keep their house in order but tell us to get along. I'm not expecting perfection but this was revealing.
I'm praying for reconciliation for everyone. I've been listening to HP/Phil Vischer Podcast for almost a decade, so the three of you feel like close friends to me, even though y'all have no idea who I am. It breaks my heart to see y'all not on the same page. We can handle business decisions (even though it's still so weird to view HP/PVP as a "business"), but I hope and pray everything is ok on a personal level. I hope that if someone was wronged, that repentance and forgiveness occurs. All three of you mean a good bit to me, and many folks on here. Relationships and people are more important than podcasts, so I genuinely hope everything is ok.
Thank you for all that all of you have done in the past few years.
Sincerely,
Blair Sanders
Again it's a shame because they mentioned pointless theology people argue about, and they can't even get along. We have to look at this, they don't practice what they preach
@@christianchin-upswho does?
@@makejesusgreatagain7220 No reason to sweep it under the rug. Patterns are different than outliers
@@christianchin-ups do you pull up the rug on other channels as well?
@@makejesusgreatagain7220Who cares? Look at what's being said not just if you think they're consistent. This is fallacious reasoning. Someone says X is wrong you can't say do you critique the whole alphabet as well?!
So sad to learn about Christian. She was such a wonderful cohost and provided such wisdom, kindness, and balance. I feel that HP is taking a more cerebral approach which I find quite disappointing. Christian was relatable and I loved the questions she asked.
Very revealing, these guys are not respectors of persons. It's all about the public image, behind the scenes I don't think they are who you think they are.
Yall are starting to see what ive seen for years. It's okay to admit there's more to this than a mistake
I'm a long time listener to the Holy Post. It has been a refreshing and comforting constant in my life, and appreciate the integrity with which the content is presented.
I definitely echo the sentiments that the announcement regarding Christian did not land well. We don't know what's behind the decision or all of the specifics, but I think Phil needs to work on a do-over of delivering that news.
Whatever has been happening behind the scenes, that was an absolutely terrible way to announce Christian's lack of involvement with the show going forward.
I found it very interesting as well.
Agree. Not making a judgement about the decision, since obviously I know nothing about the details, but the way it was announced felt icky.
Yea it started off awkward and then he just kind of doubled down by saying it was not her choice but theirs. It’s not hard to think that there was a lot more to the situation than how it was presented. Also, if it was as amicable as suggested, you’d think they would have had her on for one last episode and thanked her. But yea. Super weird any way you look at it.
For once...
We agree
@@concernedkermit8190I'm sure we probably agree on more than that, but it's a start I suppose.
Sad news that Christian is no longer on the podcast. She was such a good balance for the show. 😢
Welcome to the chat Christian’s mom!
She brought the heart for sure.
I will miss the “Bye everybody” at the end.
#justiceforchristian
That announcement about Christian Taylor was…. Weird, vague, and I think unnecessary. You could have just said that she was moving on and the other supportive stuff and it would’ve been fine. Why all the stuff about saving the personal friendship?
Basically, you fired Christian in order to preserve the personal friendship? That’s what I took from that message. It’s weird, doesn’t make a lot of sense, and begs several questions. Plus I feel like it’s a little humiliating to Christian.
I can appreciate that various factors behind the scenes can lead to such a decision. That’s life. But you really shouldn’t get into those reasons publicly unless you’re prepared to say exactly what happened (which you usually should not do, because it’s only one side of the story and it isn’t fair to the other person).
I feel like that whole announcement was a real disservice to Christian, in spite of the positive personal statements.
It shows allot about Phil's personality to treat her so poorly and to air the dirty laundry like that. Super passive aggressive
@@concernedkermit8190it shows a lot about your personality that you've dedicated your life to hating this channel.
@@concernedkermit8190 I’m not prepared to judge Phil’s entire personality based on this one thing. I think he owes Christian a public apology. That doesn’t make him a bad guy.
@@makejesusgreatagain7220 LOL no. You've dedicated your life to debating people on Holy Post comments, so I guess we're even. Plus I critics others lol. I actually have videos your just a barking dog
@@76JStucki It's not just one thing though. That's why I left as an old fan. See if they actually apologize. Or if they gloss over it or do damage control. Let's let them speak for themselves, don't just take my word for it
It was kind of a crappy way to announce Christian being taken off the show. I always liked her input. Something feels off about it.
it was a VERY crappy way to announce Christian's departure
Very disappointed with how they handled Christian and announced it. Makes me want to stop watching altogether.
what a powerful interview! too many don't consider the cost to society of the overwhelming poverty in our country, let alone the spiritual consequences.
thank you for the encouragement and the tools to get off the sidelines and fight this war for our neighbors and ourselves 🙌
I will miss Christian
I agree with others, I don’t know what happened to cause Christian to be let go from the show, but you guys could have handled it better. She deserved more than a small blip in the show telling us that she wasn’t going to be on anymore. I am really disappointed in this, especially since I started listening to the show because you all were rational voices in a Christian world gone mad.
I'm glad your starting to see through they're crap. I did years ago
@@christianchin-upseven assuming you're right, I hope you see through the crap on conservative pages as well.
@@makejesusgreatagain7220 whataboutism
@@christianchin-ups a whataboutism is when someone tries to distract and downplay something by pointing it out elsewhere. I've never said that this was anything other than poorly handled. I'm not denying that. I'm making sure that you hold conservatives to the same standard.
@@christianchin-upswhat I object to is people who treat them like they're destroying Christianity with heresy and take every opportunity to denounce them while they ignore any damage that conservative politics does to the Church and to the name of Jesus.
I live in Wheaton, IL and have met Phil, Skye and Christian. I've spent a fair bit of time with several of them. I don't know the ins and outs of what happened, and it wouldn't be my place to speak about that even if I did. But I feel compelled to share two thoughts with those not blessed to have spent time with these folk. First, I've found all three of them to be wonderful individuals. I still do. Second, I'd remind all that the Apostle Paul parted ways with Barnabas because of a sharp disagreement. Neither of these men was a demon. Neither was nefarious. And their friendship was restored, as we all know. Please grant these three people the same grace you give to Paul and Barnabas. We don't know the full story and were not appointed as judges in the matter.
Wise words. Thank you.
Well said
I'm very sad about this news about Christian T. I will miss her input and thoughtful questions. I'm excited to watch her interview of Ken Burns, but her presence on the H.P. will be deeply felt by many of us. ❤
Uncool what they did, I don't care how they try to back track. The Holy Post people are hypocrites
@@concernedkermit8190 I'm not defending them on this. In fact, I've already condemned them for it. It was completely inappropriate for them to have announced it this way.
Commenting just to leave a friendly reminder that hypocrisy isn't exclusive to them or to liberals in general.
I'll miss Christian a lot!
What a terrible way to treat a friend
I’m trying to understand the disclaimer regarding Christian… “couldn’t maintain both”?
That’s odd…
Telling
Really REALLY uncool
"The situation of the #poor in America is our plight, our sickness. To be deaf to their cry is to condemn ourselves."
- Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel (Rabbinical Assembly 1968)
I will truly miss Christian Taylor's presence on the show! 🥲
That announcement was icky and uncomfortable. I don’t like it at all.
I go after the Holy Post often but I always appreciated Christian. She was so down to earth and not smug like the others. She will be missed. I hope the others take on more humility and treat Christians they dont agree with, with more respect.
I agree that the announcement about Christian Taylor raised more questions than it answered…however, I have personally been in several situations (as a freelance graphic designer & virtual assistant) where it became clear that while I cherished the personal relationship, the business relationship just wasn’t going to work out, so I get it. That said, I also appreciated the different perspective & background that Christian brought to the show (her upbringing and change of viewpoint over time are similar to my own). So, I hope that the Holy Post, going forward, will seek out another host who will be able to provide that relatability. LOVE the Holy Post & all the new projects and look forward each week to new episodes appearing in my podcast feed!!
Please forgive me if I'm misunderstanding (or misinterpreting, for that matter), but it does feel like the announcement this week was more of the world than of Christ.
What I poorly mean is that, especially over the last few years, this show has been so helpful for me in finding ways to navigate the difficult moments/interactions that now seem to be happening daily around me without reducing or dehumanizing the other person I'm having difficulty with, while also allowing that person the space to still be God's image bearer.
After listening and re-listening to this announcement, i can't shake the feeling that there could still be more bridge-building &/or reconciliation to be done.
Again, if I'm way off base, please forgive me. But then I would also feel more comfortable if there was more transparency or light given to the situation (whatever would be prudent or appropriate to all 3 people) so this doesn't begin to feel like the "evengelical-industrial complex" (whoever coined that was a very wise person 😘).
No, you are not off-base in the least. You are ON POINT! My ghast is thoroughly flabbered. 😢
What an AWFUL way to part ways with the person you are trying to keep a friendship with!
I heard the announcement on Wednesday and have been trying to find words since.
Awful describes it.
I've been a listener and Patreon supporter for many years. Hearing that Phil and Sky decided to remove Christian from the podcast unilaterally came as a shock.
Let me be clear: it is good that you informed us that she is leaving, but there were certainly better ways to do it.
The WAY it was communicated was not honourable to Christian as a co-host, neither respectful to us listeners who appreciate her presence and voice there too.
I think the disagreement that Phil, Skye, and Kaitlyn have with that article, is a disagreement that Christians shouldn't be having 😂
Great interview - I wish that I could convince the many "self-made" men and women around me about these issues.
What a shame too that it was overshadowed by this horribly tone-deaf firing announcement.
This was pointed out about the Christian Taylor situation and it's worth repeating. They just got done listening to Katlyn talk about how healthy disagreement is, and then not even a minute later they announce they fired a longtime, loved cohost, implying that it was to maintain the non bussiness friendship. Essentially implying that in order to get along, she needed to be kicked off the podcast that prides itself in dealing with tough topics. Again, so they can't agree on THEIR OWN PODCAST. However give lipservice to how we get along with other voices. They don't want Christian on the podcast to help their relationship, why else unless they don't like her voice?
It's not our place to judge what happened between them. Ideally they can and will work out their personal differences. If they want the details to be public, they will make them public.
To clarify, how they announced it is fair game for criticism, and I would agree that it is worthy of criticisms.
Also, when they mentioned talking with people who they disagree with, they meant having informal conversations and being willing to listen. I would have to listen to the previous episode again to know how much they meant for it to be in our daily lives and how much it meant for podcasters to invite guests that they disagree with.
One thing I'm fairly certain that they didn't mean is that people should have long term ongoing professional relationships with people that they have significant disagreements with. They weren't advocating for people on opposing ends of political and/or theological spectrums to be on podcasts together for years regardless of their disagreements.
@@makejesusgreatagain7220 Here's the thing though. You are likely putting words in their mouth. As Christians we should be different. If they want only like minded people on their show that's fine. They shouldn't criticize others for doing the same though. Also when have they even had people they don't agree with on to challenge the ideas they hold. Beyond that ONE David French episode
@@whiteevangelicalswhiteevan6084which David French episode?
@@makejesusgreatagain7220David French did an episode and he used a Bible verse to justify self defense and owning a firearm. They basically did a follow up episode to explain why he was wrong with Mike Erre. In my opinion it felt pretty disrespectful. They've had lots of opinions presented on the show but I've never seen them do that.
@@pickledorf That's because unfortunately they only want opinions that line up with them on. They want their audience to be filtered through bias. Its a variety of opinions but over the years ive noticed they are very partial. So even when disagreements happen, they drown you with someone that agrees with them so that their opinion comes out on top
And then they talk about bias being bad.
Why people don't access benefits: providing home healthcare through medicaid I've known elderly folks who couldn't afford fresh fruits and vegetables, but didn't think SNAP was worth it because they would only get $4/month, or because food stamps would raise their income just enough to lose their housing subsidy which was worth more than the SNAP benefit.
Yeah, the welfare system needs a complete overhaul. The all or nothing thresholds in particular stop many from applying or from working the little that they otherwise could.
And which means you get diabetics eating pasta and sugar cereal, or people with heart disease eating canned soup which is insanely salty because that's what the food bank has
43:35 Kaitlyn “So I believe in the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit indwells you…”. 👏👏 She (and Christian Taylor) are always bringing Phil and Skye back to the truth, the core, the overarching purpose of following Jesus. THANK YOU 💕
Honestly sad about the Christian T news…. WACK.
They really dumped her and gave a blurb before an interview
Add me to the voices that would really love you guys to address what feels like an unnecessarily unkind way to say that Christian will be leaving. Obviously we don't know and don't need to know all that goes on behind the scenes, but you could have kept the initial part of that announcement and just left it with Christian will be leaving the show. I think most of us would have just assumed she was busy with her other projects. This, though... We fired her because we can't work together AND be friends? That was unnecessary, and does not feel to me like the way to treat a friend. I'm trying to assume the best and hope this came across differently than you intended, but this felt pretty cold... I want to clarify that I have listened to you guys from the beginning, I love the podcast, and I love Caitlyn. That's why I find this so baffling. 🙁
It's really revealing, I'm sorry the fans have to see it like this, but they've been crummy to other people forawhile. Like how they treated Alisa Childers when they lied about her
@@concernedkermit8190what about the countless times that Alisa misrepresented progressive Christianity and deconstruction to her audience?
@@makejesusgreatagain7220 Whataboutism(you even said what about) when did she do this?
@@concernedkermit8190you can search for her name alongside the names Keith Giles and Matthew Distefano. There's way too much for me to begin to list it here.
Thanks for busting these myths about poverty. As someone who has experienced housing and food insecurity, I feel so marginalized by the church at large. Individually, the church has helped us greatly, but to see the politicians and right wing "Christians" complain about welfare and SNAP benefits is incredibly infuriating.
I get it, and right wing politics has done great harm to many people in this country. On an individual level, some right wing Christians are generous and do good work for charity, food banks, and similar projects. It's not enough to counteract the harm that their preferred policies do though.
That being said, in my opinion it goes too far to say that they're not Christians. I'm sure some of them aren't, but it's not our place to know or to judge their spiritual condition on an individual level. That's between them and God. We're to judge people by their fruit to the extent that we discern whether they're worthy to be learned from and emulated, but judging their salvation goes too far.
I understand the pain and hurt that leads to that way of thinking though. It's a large part of why so many of the younger generations are leaving the Church.
@@makejesusgreatagain7220 I agree that some are Christians who say these things. I was thinking of performative politicians who claim Jesus but life a life completely devoid of anything Christlike. I should have explained further!
@@maryhamricthat's fair, thanks for clarifying.
Just came for the sweater, but sad to hear about Christian.
Love the sweater,Kaitlin. Much of what furnishes my apartment has come from second hand shops. Art work, furniture, clothing, books. Even the bookcases that hold them. There are some great finds. Its like going on a treasure hunt. Plus, recycling stuff and repurposing it. A win win. Been thrift shopping since I was a teen. I'm now a senior. Delighted once again by the engaging conversations, and amusing stories. And do watch Pretty in Pink. It is sweet and tender.
Phil, you are usually good at noticing what people are saying and talking about it, so I’ll pose this question for you. I don’t consistently agree with your show, but I’ve found it so helpful and I’m thankful it. The way you handled this announcement seemed very inappropriate considering the unnecessary depth you went into. Normally, I’d cope it up to information we don’t need to know, but that segment seemed disrespectful to the point of needing accountability.
Yes, most of us are fine with a "she is leaving the show", even though it is sad. The wording gave more questions than answers. Honestly, I wish it was brought up in the news segment so it could be handled by the humans y'all are rather than a scripted monologue that felt really cold.
Phil and the others can be very likable, however their way of speaking about other Christians, and what happened with Christian Taylor is revealing to the fans how maybe the Holy Post isn't what they try to present it as
@@christianchin-upsdoes someone being a hypocrite mean that what they say is factually wrong?
I know I have spoken unwisely and without sufficient forethought in ways that were hurtful. I pray that Skye and Phil will be able to acknowledge the need to readdress this misstep even if the decision was necessary. Anyone who has never spoken without proper or adequate forethought is free to cast the first stone.
Huh. Well then... without more information I don't exactly know what to think of the situation with Ms. Christian being unceremoniously... let go? Fired?
What little context there is between here and the website formerly known as Twitter makes this situation a bit concerning.
Yeah it doesn't look good. What have you seen on Twitter? Actually from them or from other people?
Side note: I wouldn't trust Twitter for news unless you have a good reason to trust the actual person who made the post. They're not exactly as reliable as they used to be.
@@makejesusgreatagain7220 Jason Rugg posted this 23 hours ago:
"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves."
Two hours later Ms. Christian posted a thank you that started with thanks for flowers and emotional support dinner that it seems he and Ms. Julie Boettcher provided. He reposted this. Jason is, from my limited knowledge, currently a cohost with her on her Documentary First podcast and he doesn't seem to be the editor for Holy Post for a while now (and Julie Boettcher doesn't seem to be providing production assistance any longer) since it seems they haven't been credited for a while now/different sources for those services are being credited now. They may have announced this a while back. I might vaguely recall something about this being mentioned, but I could be wrong.
Anyway, I'm sort of just making assumptions based on the limited information and those assumptions could be wrong (you likely know the old adage about assumptions), but... yeah.
@@YourNeighborNatyeah, looks that way. Thanks.
@@YourNeighborNatThere was an announcement about Jason leaving, that he was pursuing other projects.
@@Blairjoyfulsoundread between the lines
Friends. You'll remember in a recent episode Phil mentioned Christian's new line of clothing. Christian commented that she got some contact information that helped her from Skye. Skye said that sharing that contact information was not intentional. I think this may be how the situation developed. I'd guess working on the podcast requires an openness of communication that could be difficult if you're also trying to protect other business interests like your clothing line business. This is one of the messy parts of our Christian lives together. (No pun intended.)
Do you remember which one it was? I'd like to listen.
I will miss you so much Christian. You brought Christ into every episode.
It's sick and if they wanted to do more they would have done it. She was blindsided, but they want to be an example of Christ likeness. It's not just Christians outside the show they attack now its themselves
@@christianchin-upsyou need a hobby. Gardening perhaps?
We have more than enough to provide for the needs of everyone. We don't have enough to provide for the greed of the owning class.
Poverty is choice that society and the government make. It's not the poor
What I find especially weird is the conversation they had leading up to the dreadful announcement. Listen again, just minutes before the break, knowing what we know now. Almost sounded like a set up. So very sad about losing Christian and how this was handled.
"When you vote with your dollar, those with more dollars get more votes."
Christian Taylor you will be missed…❤❤❤and yes friendships are way more important than business relationships ❤❤❤❤Skye, Phil and Christian friends 4 Eva✌🏾👌🏿☝🏿👍🏿
Uncool what they did, I don't care how they try to back track. The Holy Post people are hypocrites
@@concernedkermit8190 So Christians are not allowed to “fire people”🤔With that being said we do not know what happened exactly and we should hope and pray if their relationship is harmed that the Lord restores it and repairs it ….please show grace and understanding and demonstrate Christian principles and values👌🏿when criticizing….just some brotherly advice
@@562rodlbc They're absolutely allowed to fire people, they also should demonstrate respect towards others. She was kicked the curb after being on the show since the beginning. They brought up a backhanded implication that it was preserve the friendship(embarrassing her). The problem with Holy Post fans, and why I left is they elevate the people on the podcast to high. This wasn't cool, and it's not the first time they've been hypocritical. I caught then lying outright about Alisa Childers and the fans put fingers in their ears unfortunately. Please see what I saw, they're not what you think. They don't repent
@@concernedkermit8190 what do you need to repent of? Maybe instead of dedicating your life to attacking them, you should make sure that your eyes don't have any logs in them.
@@concernedkermit8190 how did they lie?
I don’t usually comment often, but this threw me!
Just read Poverty by America...heavy, and very enlightening!
great interview with Matthew Desmond. Regarding Christian no longer connected with the Holy Post sort of reminds me of how the Eagles (mainly Don Henley and Glen Frey) got rid of Don Felder. That being said, all parties involved may be believers, but all are still fully human and stuff happens. Heart goes out to all involved and may your hearts continue to seek Him.
Speaking of bands, I guess it was definitely better than Alabama firing Mark Herndon after 25 years and then telling people he'd never been in the band 😯
"Growth for the sake of growth is the ideology of the cancer cell."
- Edward Abbey
Payday loans take advantage of desperate people. That's just one example of the poor being exploited and abused. The economic injustice system perpetuated by the status quo is sinful. That the rich get away with paying less in taxes than someone like me living on a small fixed income is disgraceful. I had to resort to Welfare, food stamps, and HUD subsidies when my former husband abandoned his family, leaving me with five small children to support. Wearing the scarlet letter D ( divorced) was a stigma I wore by the Christian Community, and even more horrifying was the title given me by The President as a " Welfare Queen." The shame and humiliation inflicted upon myself and children sitting in the Welfare waiting room to having to account for every penny spent, the $ 20.00 given to my child in a birthday card from Grandma, then being deducted from next month's allotment was shameful. Then trying to find a home to rent as a single Mom of five kids and having to sell myself metaphorically to a potential landlord for the privilege of having a shabby roof over our heads, was humiliating. " Pull yourself up by your boot straps""is an insult, reinforced by the Christian community, shamefully. The Prosperity Gospel pushed that narrative forward. I worked two jobs, sometime three, and raised five young kids by myself, was never recognized as being successful because we were poor. We relied in Government assistance; that made us irresponsible lazy leeches. That all five kids are hard working, productive adults, doing fairly well in life supports the argument that giving a hand up actually allows for those in need to flourish and succeed in life. No one in their right mind chooses poverty,or resorting to Government assistance to survive. Those social safety nets need to be strengthened and increased. As does a single payer medical policy, including dental, vision, and hearing needs to be implemented, quality child care provision, and rental provision for the low income wage earners. Its called bestowing dignity and respect on one's neighbor. I dare anyone of my critics to walk in my shoes and not come through a difficult life without gaining a great deal of humility and compassion along the way for the plight of struggling people. The Church should be fighting for economic justice in this nation instead of castigating the poor as being somehow morally or socially deficient. I am eager to read this book. I can readily relate on a intimately personal level the arguments made for a rethinking if the issue of poverty and all of its social, moral, and political ramifications. We can and must do better. Thanks for featuring this perspective. It is needed discourse.
Christian was my favorite :/. I've been so dissapointed with this show over the years. Stuff like this is just...
It seems like your rebuttals to the blog post tend to forget what the blog post is talking about. It's not about whether or not the topics are of importance or whether you can study them. It's about whether it makes sense for Christians to argue about them. Are they the sort of thing we need to fight about?
For example, of course a biologist would need to study evolution. But what value is there in them arguing with a Creationist? Their job is to observe reality, and make hypotheses, not to debate with people.
“..things are never as complicated as they seem. It is only our arrogance that prompts us to find unnecessarily complicated answers to simple problems.”
- Muhammad Yunus, Banker to the #Poor: Micro-Lending and the Battle Against World #Poverty
The answers are incredibly simple. Actually doing it is not easy, at least not when the majority of the people have been indoctrinated with propaganda by the owning class who bribes Washington to pass policies that benefit their billionaire donors over their constituents.
The Lord revealed to me sometimes ago as to why there was a cancellation of debt every seven years. Really it came through experiencing debt myself. The cancellation would help to bring back some equity in an economy. Not having a system of absolving debt strengthens the rich and keep those poor in poverty. Our debt system definitely needs revamping.
Another small detail about the Christian thing. Fans liked her because she was the everyday person. It feels like they wanted only the "educated" elite on the show and the only thing the everyman was good for is their financial support. Christian didn't fit what they're going for.
Regarding the blog post, Kristin Du Mez made a good point in her inter a few weeks ago about staying in a loving relationship with other believers when we disagree
I think they’re missing the point of the article about Christian debate. I don’t think the author considers these issues unimportant entirely, but each of these issues have been used as a test of faith and fellowship.
While each of these topics should be considered and meditated on, none of these should have been used to exclude others.
Christian’s podcast is called DOCUMENTARY FIRST, not Documentary now, as Phil said. If you’re really supportive of her, couldn’t you have made the effort to re-record this announcement with the correct title?? Not to mention the lack of farewell…I’m so disappointed. I’ll be taking a break from HP for awhile, both as a listener and Patreon supporter. You can do better.
Sounds like a nice passive aggressive way to "accidentally" NOT direct people to her podcast.
No, sadly it is probably ignorance.
@@laurapriebe6626 Let's hope.
@@laurapriebe6626probably. A lot of people mix the names up because of the popular Documentary Now series
On Twitter, he acknowledged that mistake and will be addressing it. I don't think he was trying to misdirect. The wrong word came out. Human error. When it comes to media, it gets dicey having to take down a video to re-upload.
That was enlightening 🙏🏿 Bought his book while listening. Katelyn🙏🏿🙏🏿
"#materialism and #morality have an inverse relationship. When one increases the other decreases."
We find that in modern times we have become very materialistic. We want to possess things and buy things. So we get so involved in that kind of thing and then we have to preserve all those things. We don't have time for community work or working for justice. And so we quietly accept injustice because we don't want to disturb our way of life.
The more possession we have, the more we are bound to secure them, and keep it growing, and keep it expanding. So we spend all our energy in that effort instead of trying to improve our lives.
[Mohandas Gandhi]
I think we should think deeply about scripture. To whatever extent these topics are to be reflected on, there are other topics that deserve more attention. For example, how can the Church solve homelessness? Poverty? Orphan crisis? Wrongly imprisoned? Death penalty? Prison reform? Treatment of aliens, migrants, and refugees? Militarism? Violence? Drug overdose? Suicide? Etc.
To put it another way, how can we live up to the mission statement of our Master and his Kingdom of God movement from Isa 61:1ff?
And how can we treat and heal the pain and ills of our Body?
Salvation is a question I've had for a long time. If we believe in God and are following Jesus in our everyday life are we saved or are we not saved because we haven't said the "sinners prayer "? The Bible seems to portray both.
I was pondering this same question today- before listening to this or reading your comment!
More foundational than that in my opinion is to ask what the nature, purpose, and duration of hell is in the first place.
Phil's remarks on clothes did get me to look it up on UA-cam. His plan worked. 😆
Means testing for welfare, and drug testing as well for that matter, costs more money than it saves. The means testing should be that if people want to go through the hassle of applying and live with the stigma of being on welfare for the meager amount that it provides, then more power to them.
Love Kaytlin´s sweater btw😅
“You can smile more” 😂😂😂
The Holy Post- We're pro women
Also the Holy Post- blindside and kicked a longtime female employee to the kirb.
Yeah no, im glad people are calling them out, these guys are preformers, others have called them out and are continuing too, good.
where/what timestamp do they mention the news about Christian?
Starts at 46:33
thank u!@@chrissy1374
The parrot was definitely seeing him as carion.😂😂😂😂😂
This is a very important thing that Phil is drawing attention to. The dangers of owning parrots and riding at night.
within 8 hours of this going live there will be a link to amazon for the sweater. no promises that they will have the correct size.
WOW-intelligent and humorous Christian talk. I had no idea.
The scripture plainly states that God judges those nations that oppress the poor. This nation is a classic example of a nation with a selfish and greedy mindset, that exploits the poor, condemns them, derides them, shames them, while corporations receive Government handouts to boost CEO bonuses and stock holders. This is not what faithful Christianity looks like. The reality is, we are a nation that worships wealth, financial success, power, entitlement. By entitlement, I do not mean social safety nets for the single Moms, the immigrants, the low-income seniors, the disabled. A nation is only as good and moral as it treats the disadvantaged, the needy, the veteran, the service workers, the ones who pick the crops, work in factories, and teach our children in public schools, who clean the offices, sit as receptionists, sales clerks, grocery checkers. All deserve a livable wage and the dignity of being seen as valuable. The woman surviving on a woefully inadequate welfare check does not deserve the contempt she and her children endure. No one wants to live like that. Sometimes it is a necessity. Job training, childcare, housing assistance, medical and dental coverage would ho a long way to help put people back on their feet. That was my own story. The Church heaped shame on me. One day, when my children were young, a man knocked on my HUD subsidized door. When I opened it, he handed me a giant trash bag and said," Here,this is a gift from God." I stared at him while he deposited this enormous bag of detritus swept up from people's garage floors, deposited into this sack, and dumped on our doorstep. I was supposed to be grateful for this rubbish. To protect my children from the shame, I made light if it and we pulled the crap out and cracked jokes about what bad taste people had. That was the general attitude towards me. Five children age 7 to the youngest who was not even weaned yet, abandoned by a faithless husband and father who paid not one dime of court ordered child support, and I was the one vilified for resorting to the humiliating process of welfare recipient, food stamps, and food bank lines where the contempt continued. My car died, and I pulled a plastic sled home from the grocery store with the meager stuff that could be purchased with $ 200.00 worth of food stamps per month to stretch thin for a family of six. The revered President Ronald Reagan, the darling of the Church folks, called women like me " Welfare Queens." As soon as my youngest started school, I found work as an assistant teacher for learning disabled students. I was paid peanuts, but it allowed me to be home when my growing kids were home. Four boys need close supervision. I worked with SPED students for almost 30 years. I was able to retire with a small Pers Pension and smaller Social Security check at 68 years of age. I found a subsidized low income apartment to rent where every penny is scrutinized, my bank statements reviewed regularly to make sure I'm not cheating the system. My rent is almost 45% of my monthly income. The community holds its nose at us living in this complex, with million dollar and above homes surrounding us. Now, the Republican Party is again threatening to gut Social Security and Medicare, many of whom boast if their strong Christian faith. Its obscene. I may be poor financially, but they are poor morally. I so identified with Matthew's Desmond's critique of our nation's bureaucratic morass and unwillingness to honestly and consistently address this sin against many hard working citizens. Beautifully told. I may scrape together enough money to buy his books.
Kaitlin, I am so grateful for your generous contributation to this discussion. It is way overdue. Thanks.
Does Christian have a podcast?
Yes, it’s called “Documentary First” and it’s on UA-cam, Spotify, Apple Podcasts, etc. And they have a social media presence as well.
Thank you!
Ugh. Praying for you all. I will miss Christian's voice on the Holy Post. We have relied on the HP to bring sanity, stability, and Christian community in a time when those things have been hard to find in the media and in many of our circles of faith. Christian made me laugh/cry (in relief and release) more times than I can count. She got me out of my head and into my heart, and for that I am so very grateful to her.
Y'all--that announcement of separation was rough. Rough. If this is the end of a formal professional/business relationship, so be it. But we are family here. =)
Just here for the sweater
Parrots become very attached to their human. That parrot likely would have been in distress, trying to revive her human.
This Christian Taylor stuff is revealing. I think theres more under the surface here and the fans should be asking why
Exactly.
@@makejesusgreatagain7220 You can't say how you elevate women and then kick someone to curb and give them a blurb implying you couldn't get along. She was on the show since the beginning. I've seen episodes where there's clear tension. What she wasn't smart enough for the show? You didn't want her dragging you down? It's just not right. The backlash will likely make them.respond but I trust that as much as I do "youtube apology videos" this was sinister. Shows what I've been concerned about for awhile. If you can't get along stop preaching at others until your house is in order. I felt Christian brought some great stuff to the podcast.
@@concernedkermit8190yeah, I'm really only watching because of Kaitlyn at this point.
@@makejesusgreatagain7220 That's interesting
@@concernedkermit8190 how so?
Best wishes Christian, you are in my thoughts
I believe politics is idolatry. Church needs to do it's job.
If the Nebraska Man's Parrot was well attatched enough to ride with him on a bike in the middle of the night he's probably bonded fully and trying to wake him up and panicking that her partner isn't up.
Even if we're just talking about financial benefits, we should have universal healthcare and universal education, including college and trade schools, at least up to a certain level anyway. A healthy and well educated society is a productive society. These investments made into our citizens would pay for themselves in the long run.
Using Medicare for All as an example, even if taxes would need to be raised on the "middle class", the fact that medical care would be included would still save people money on average.
Not to mention how much more efficient the healthcare system would be without health insurance companies existing. They're just there to be a middleman and to deny enough claims to stay profitable.
Private healthcare is inefficient by nature because supply and demand doesn't work for it. Supply and demand breaks down when the demand is inelastic, which means that it doesn't respond to market forces. The "free market" isn't free in the first place, but it definitely doesn't work when the product in question is your life. You can decide to buy a luxury good based on its price, but how much is continuing to live worth?
In some cases, competition can drive down prices, but not with healthcare. What matters more is market share. If you give an entity the power to negotiate on behalf of 330 million people, they can get a good deal on it. For all its conceptual faults, this is something that the government is capable of being great at doing, as long as it's not bribed to keep the private system going that is.
Not to mention, if healthcare and education were free and people had their basic needs met, why would people want to join the military? A few would want to do so out of patriotism, but not enough.
Also, there's still the whole "letting people die just because they're poor" thing. We should not do that.
I will miss Christian. I liked her transparency and honesty. However, we don't know the entire story so we shouldn't pass judgment on her dismissal.
This wasn't right, and very revealing
@@concernedkermit8190 I was just on her FB page and it sounds like she was blindsided.
@@lindadodson1586 Crazy, not surprised. The Holy Post is not what fans think
@@concernedkermit8190I agree. Lots of fans think they're leftists.
@@makejesusgreatagain7220Dude get a life lol you're always arguing on Holy Post videos lol