Wonderful to see a journalist who is intelligent, curious, and engages a knowledgeable guest about the wide-ranging implications of a headline event - issues which most journalists are unable to fathom. Both host and guest are exceptional.
A sad decline from the engineering expertise that made the UK so effective back in WWII, such as CAM ships, Mulberry harbours, operation Pluto, Bailey bridges, etc. The UK badly needs a neotenic revolution of some sort.
I've been joking for a while that Britain has become dominated by "wordcels". We have a shortage of people who actually know how to build things and solve technical problems. But an oversupply of people who are trained to write reports and essays and hold endless meetings about those problems.
Great discussion. However I must take issue with the emphasis on the threat from China. The discussion started with the exploding pagers, phones, etc. This alarming development was carried out by Israel. Israel is the closest ally, by far, to the USA. Without knowing the details of that particular supply chain, I think it is still fair to surmise that the threat emanated not from China but from Israel, i.e. a Western-allied country. Furthermore, what the explosions in Lebanon have made clear is that electronic devices are hackable, not just after manufacture but during manufacture. We know that governments and their intelligence and military arms have close relationships with manufacturers. We know governments want back doors into these devices, and that they often target their own populations, especially dissidents. Horrifying to think of that power being so readily available to governments world-wide. Which is to say, this event should have exploded any reasonable person's trust in the whole edifice. The next time anyone purchases a smartphone - or a car for that matter - it won't matter how many reassuring statements have been made about its supply chain. What we now know, is that these devices can easily be made lethal. We also know that governments and their intelligence and military arms are as attracted to such capabilities, as cats are to catnip. This event has blown another big hole in the fabric of trust that is necessary to maintain the complex systems we rely on in the modern world.
Sorry say that again. Israel is a western ally? The ologarchie that runs the west is no ally of Israels at all or it's own citizenry. I think that's become plainly obvious since October 7th. I think decades old realities have now become clear in recent years.
You said you take issue on the emphasis on china then spent four paragraphs not explaining why. Mossad is tiny. China might have more people working in it's security infrastructure than Israel has in Israel.
@@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat I thought I did explain it: he pivots to the perceived threat from China, when we see that a real act of terrorism was just carried out by Israel, a staunch and well supported member of the Western coalition. I do not deny there are threats from other great powers, but he is trying to elevate this aspect and diminish the current reality that Israel has just openly committed a massive act of terrorism against another country. No one thinks that China had any involvement in this, so his comments look like a deflection to me and an attempt to use the event to promote an agenda.
The simple-minded zeal to connect/network everything in our world, often for nothing more than "shiny carrot on a stick" benefits is a massive vulnerability. There is no free lunch, and there are significant costs and downsides to a hyper-connected world that many apparently refuse to take seriously.
Next time you get a new piece of technology that’s says “Designed in America, Assembled in Wherever” this should be on your mind. Foxconn is a Chinese company after all.
A small to medium sized country is never going to make enough of "stuff", like test kits, to have enough for emergencies. The problem isn't trading for these items themselves its treating non-emergencies as emergencies that was the problem.
So what happened to the widely reported story that the beepers came from an Israeli shell company in Hungary named BAC Consulting who licensed to manufacture the pagers? ...is that reporting false?
The Taiwanese are being mendacious to put it mildly. Those devices contain chips and circuit boards which are absolutely not made in Hungary or anywhere else outside of Asia. The components might be assembled into a device anywere but they are "made" at source. That source is not some postal address in Hungary.
Cars may be made in Japan but can be intercepted and "upgraded". Some businesses have legitimate value addition by integrating sub-systems. It has nothing to do with the manufacturer unless there is a end-user authentication. drugs for instance have API's manufactured in China, but the final retail drug may come from India. In africa, drugs are tampered for profits in some countries. Security needs to built groundup, currently it is ad hoc.
Great interview, Emily does great work.
Great discussion. This channel is underrated.
Wonderful to see a journalist who is intelligent, curious, and engages a knowledgeable guest about the wide-ranging implications of a headline event - issues which most journalists are unable to fathom. Both host and guest are exceptional.
Emily Jashinsky looks much happier to be on Unherd Undercurrents than to be on Breaking Wind podcast.
Wow! What an episode-this is one of the best UA-cam videos I've seen all year . Keep up the good work! And thank you! 🏆
A sad decline from the engineering expertise that made the UK so effective back in WWII, such as CAM ships, Mulberry harbours, operation Pluto, Bailey bridges, etc. The UK badly needs a neotenic revolution of some sort.
I've been joking for a while that Britain has become dominated by "wordcels". We have a shortage of people who actually know how to build things and solve technical problems. But an oversupply of people who are trained to write reports and essays and hold endless meetings about those problems.
Great discussion. However I must take issue with the emphasis on the threat from China. The discussion started with the exploding pagers, phones, etc. This alarming development was carried out by Israel. Israel is the closest ally, by far, to the USA. Without knowing the details of that particular supply chain, I think it is still fair to surmise that the threat emanated not from China but from Israel, i.e. a Western-allied country.
Furthermore, what the explosions in Lebanon have made clear is that electronic devices are hackable, not just after manufacture but during manufacture. We know that governments and their intelligence and military arms have close relationships with manufacturers. We know governments want back doors into these devices, and that they often target their own populations, especially dissidents. Horrifying to think of that power being so readily available to governments world-wide.
Which is to say, this event should have exploded any reasonable person's trust in the whole edifice. The next time anyone purchases a smartphone - or a car for that matter - it won't matter how many reassuring statements have been made about its supply chain. What we now know, is that these devices can easily be made lethal. We also know that governments and their intelligence and military arms are as attracted to such capabilities, as cats are to catnip.
This event has blown another big hole in the fabric of trust that is necessary to maintain the complex systems we rely on in the modern world.
Sorry say that again. Israel is a western ally? The ologarchie that runs the west is no ally of Israels at all or it's own citizenry. I think that's become plainly obvious since October 7th. I think decades old realities have now become clear in recent years.
You said you take issue on the emphasis on china then spent four paragraphs not explaining why. Mossad is tiny. China might have more people working in it's security infrastructure than Israel has in Israel.
@@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat I thought I did explain it: he pivots to the perceived threat from China, when we see that a real act of terrorism was just carried out by Israel, a staunch and well supported member of the Western coalition. I do not deny there are threats from other great powers, but he is trying to elevate this aspect and diminish the current reality that Israel has just openly committed a massive act of terrorism against another country. No one thinks that China had any involvement in this, so his comments look like a deflection to me and an attempt to use the event to promote an agenda.
Great channel and Unherd. The information and discussion is exceptional
The simple-minded zeal to connect/network everything in our world, often for nothing more than "shiny carrot on a stick" benefits is a massive vulnerability. There is no free lunch, and there are significant costs and downsides to a hyper-connected world that many apparently refuse to take seriously.
At last some proper journalism.
"There's almost nothing they can't kick down the road for someone else to deal with"
finally an intelligent convo about this
There are SO MANY things to focus on like food and the thousands (close to 10 thousand) chemicals not even checked by the FDA.
Next time you get a new piece of technology that’s says “Designed in America, Assembled in Wherever” this should be on your mind. Foxconn is a Chinese company after all.
A small to medium sized country is never going to make enough of "stuff", like test kits, to have enough for emergencies. The problem isn't trading for these items themselves its treating non-emergencies as emergencies that was the problem.
Fascinating stuff on our supply chain dilemna regarding high tech procurement.
Good intelligent discussion
So what happened to the widely reported story that the beepers came from an Israeli shell company in Hungary named BAC Consulting who licensed to manufacture the pagers? ...is that reporting false?
What will you think if Airlines stop letting you bring anything with a battery on the plane or in checked baggage?
Stay home
The Taiwanese are being mendacious to put it mildly. Those devices contain chips and circuit boards which are absolutely not made in Hungary or anywhere else outside of Asia. The components might be assembled into a device anywere but they are "made" at source. That source is not some postal address in Hungary.
Maybe even made in Israel
Cars may be made in Japan but can be intercepted and "upgraded". Some businesses have legitimate value addition by integrating sub-systems. It has nothing to do with the manufacturer unless there is a end-user authentication.
drugs for instance have API's manufactured in China, but the final retail drug may come from India. In africa, drugs are tampered for profits in some countries.
Security needs to built groundup, currently it is ad hoc.
What is Germany doing about Volkswagen which is not just a car.
Tell it to the ones who are with 72 virgins now!!
Some of them now have no use for virgins😂 in fact, it is rumored that the virgin supply line has been intercepted as well😂
Emily, I love your interviews but what happened to your glasses?
super interesting!
And with it a return to assination. Yay.
Made in Bulgaria .
Your tax dollars at work
Coolest tax dollars ever. Right after the A-10 Warthog, the SR71, and the Moon Landings.
That guy is super British lol
...Fangs very much!
Yes bad teeth and all😅
"Orlanski"
Blame Israel
It's pretty audacious to publish a statement from the Hungarian government without qualifiers.