How To Tell A Gibson '61 Reissue From A Small Guard SG Standard | Don't Get Ripped Off

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  • @KozumaHeiji
    @KozumaHeiji  3 роки тому +4

    Note: I'm only talking about USA line production models. CS Historics are a completely different thing.
    I also forgot to mention older 61RIs usually have 57 Classic pickups and the newer Standard 61s have 61R/61T pickups
    61 Reissue retail price (as of 2012, when it was discontinued)
    web.archive.org/web/20120502020113/www.sweetwater.com:80/store/detail/SG61HCNH/
    2013 SG Standard retail price (as of 2013)
    web.archive.org/web/20130209040710/www.sweetwater.com:80/store/detail/SG13HCCH-13/
    2013 Gibson SG Standard spec sheet
    legacy.gibson.com/Products/Electric-Guitars/SG/Gibson-USA/SG-Standard.aspx
    Gibson '61 Reissue spec sheet
    web.archive.org/web/20120829010753/www2.gibson.com/Products/Electric-Guitars/SG/Gibson-USA/SG-61-Reissue.aspx
    Current (2019-2021) SG Standard 61 spec sheet
    www.gibson.com/en-US/Guitar/USAEDH414/SG-Standard-61/Vintage-Cherry

  • @bjstein4242
    @bjstein4242 3 роки тому +7

    Love the "Powerage" shirt.. my fav album for sure.. !!

  • @Podcastforthewin
    @Podcastforthewin 21 день тому

    61 standard with side arm. I’m talking about the 2019 models, cost 3200+ Canadian

  • @jasoncobb7427
    @jasoncobb7427 3 роки тому +4

    you're doing the Lords work. thank you.

  • @silviopimentel7247
    @silviopimentel7247 2 роки тому

    2013 body also thinner & headstock normal size. But great review

  • @andyc5392
    @andyc5392 2 роки тому

    I am very glad to have found this…I’m very impressed with your expertise…I have a ebony sg built in Nashville in 2013..(put cream pick guard on though 🤷🏻‍♂)….I’m fascinated by your explanations….but my still has the 61 characteristics…larger headstock…headstock inlay farther up…neck joint at 22…larger binding…if anyone could properly identify my axe, I think you could…(I absolutely love this guitar) any photos I could send you to help me identify, I would…thank you…(I bought on reverb for about $1100..((after I bought, guitar was stolen before it could be shipped…was found, returned to seller and I finally got…seller requested that if I ever sold, he wanted opportunity to buy back…I like the story that comes with this guitar))

    • @KozumaHeiji
      @KozumaHeiji  2 роки тому

      Thanks! Wow cool story.
      Send me a message on Facebook (either my page or my profile) or a direct on Instagram @kozumaheiji and attach the pics. I'm curious to take a look at it as well

  • @barclay3160
    @barclay3160 3 роки тому +1

    I bought a 2113 SG exactly like yours 2 years ago. It was advertised as a 61 reissue. I always wondered if it was legit. It is light weight and plays and sounds better than the SG Standard it replaced. I would have loved to see this video before I bought this 2113 SG Standard. I paid &1000.. Canadian for it which is not bad but being lied to is not good.
    Thanks for this great detailed video.

    • @KozumaHeiji
      @KozumaHeiji  3 роки тому

      Yeah this is exactly why I made this video. I really love this model in particular and I can spot one at first glance, and I hate seeing them misrepresented.
      You did quite okay though. 1000 sounds like a fair price considering how inflated prices have become lately. I wonder if they will go back to normal. It's probably due to covid
      But yeah selling a std as a 61RI is definitely not okay, especially if they ask 1800 or more for them

  • @yamilhasbunchavarria8598
    @yamilhasbunchavarria8598 7 місяців тому

    Excellent video! I did not know this stuff. Thanks to your video I learned what to look for when I bought my SG 61 Reissue Satin 2012. Thanks man!

  • @arshist
    @arshist 2 роки тому

    Thanks for this great video, André! I'm shopping for a used 61 reissue, and this is will help me find the right guitar for the right price.

  • @pd-kx4qw
    @pd-kx4qw 3 роки тому

    Thank you for the explanations! Fun fact, another one to add (I think) the crown inlay on the 61 std Sg on the ‘19’s and newer actually looks to be in between the height of your 2013 and the where the crown inlay is on the 61 reissue. This would be another way to tell that one like mine (a 19 or up 61 std) is NOT a ‘61 reissue if someone tries to pull a fast one. I can’t tell 100% but it looks like your inlay is flush with the tuners at the top and the 61 reissue is obv higher. When I look at the one in front of me that crown looks to be a few millimeters above where yours sits but definitely lower than the 61 reissue. Thanks again!

    • @KozumaHeiji
      @KozumaHeiji  3 роки тому

      Yeah, possibly. I haven't seen many 2019 and up 61 Standards up close to compare.
      These 2013s have a very pointy headstock, but still narrow - that's how I can spot them with just a glance.
      But the real 61RIs are still way bigger and the crown way higher yeah. Almost TOO big for my taste.
      Appreciate the comment

    • @mdmjr2468
      @mdmjr2468 Рік тому

      @@KozumaHeiji thats like what angus young is still playing

  • @pedroraneiahenrique4241
    @pedroraneiahenrique4241 Рік тому

    Awesome video Andre!
    I’ve been facing trouble on searching the informations about my 2012 61 reissue and your video just made all clear.
    Do you have the 2012 61 reissue specs, specifically about the neck profile… all goes to 60s slim taper (witch i love) but not sure about it.

    • @KozumaHeiji
      @KozumaHeiji  11 місяців тому

      Thanks, I like to use Wayback machine internet archieve to go back to a specific year of the Gibson website. You should find all info there. Neck is slim taper profile, yes

  • @mathieuraymond6618
    @mathieuraymond6618 3 роки тому

    Thanks for the great content André!
    I’d be truly greatful to have your advice as I’m looking to buy my first SG and I can’t make up my mind between 2 options.
    First you need to know that they are being bought online which makes it even harder for me to choose as I can’t try them.
    First I was looking for a ‘61 Reissue for the thinner neck but also the other specs..
    Neither of my two options are actual ‘61 RI but as I understand from your video, they’re Standards with « mostly ‘61 specs »
    Here all specs that they have in common:
    - both sold by the same store in the US
    - classic 57s pickups
    - Bateing pickguard
    - NOT the wide headstock
    - Grover tuners
    - SG plated trussrod cover
    - pickup selector has NO plastic treble/rythm plate and both have Black plastic tip (?)
    - Taller neck knee
    - Original hard shell case
    - Cherry red
    - Mint condition
    Here are the few differences:
    2017:
    - Seller says it has a thinner « C » profile neck
    - 500$ less (seller says its only because he got a better price for it)
    2018:
    - seller claims its a « medium C » neck profile (1st: 0,82’’ 12th: 0,88’’) which is 0,01´´ thicker than the Option A
    - 500$ more
    I’m waiting for the seller to get back to me with capacitors details.
    I want to make sure it has the thinner neck profile but couldn’t find much details about the C or Medium C neck types online for those years and I don’t even know if I can trust the seller about the accuracy of that info.
    Another thing that bothers me is the way he describes the pickups:
    2017: Original Gibson PAF humbuckers
    2018: Stock Gibson ‘57 classics
    I feel like it’s just the same way to describe the same pickups? Or am I missing out on something? Or maybe they have no idea what it is and they write whatever they think?
    Hope you can help with any insights based on your knowledge of these models/years or anyone who wants to share their thoughts I’d be happy to hear!
    Thanks !

    • @KozumaHeiji
      @KozumaHeiji  3 роки тому +1

      Hi, I do think the seller is not 100% correct with the info. I always prefer to use the correct manufacturer terminology for guitar specs. The official Gibson website is always the best way to look - either the 'legacy' section of the main site or you can use the Wayback Machine (Google it) to go back in time and browse through the archieved pages of that specific year.
      2017 and 2018 are pretty much identical in specs other than the pickups. Both are listed as "slim taper" necks - of course they vary a bit because they are shaped by hand and each guitar is slightly different. The "C" terminology makes sense but it's incorrect for this model - both are slim taper, but one slightly thicker than the other by chance. If you are specific about your neck being thin, ask for specific neck measurenents at the 1st and 12th fret.
      Pickup listed is also not accurate. If stock, the 2017 should have 57 classics and the 2018 should have 61R/61T. pickups

    • @KozumaHeiji
      @KozumaHeiji  3 роки тому +1

      Oh he already gave the neck measurements - yeah the 2017 seems to be the thinner one, but that's just by chance and not really by spec.
      As for electronics, both have PCB inside the control cavity. Pot and cap values should be the same spec inside, other than tolerances.
      In theory, they are basically the same guitar other than cosmetic differences probably - namely the switch ring. I believe 2018 was the year they came without the ring.
      But of course each guitar will be different so it's a bit of a leap of faith buying online. But again, on paper they are very similar guitars.
      As for the pickups, 57s are Alnico 2 and 61s are Alnico 5.
      Good luck!

    • @mathieuraymond6618
      @mathieuraymond6618 3 роки тому

      @@KozumaHeiji Amazing thanks for the insights you're a genius.
      What's your opinion between the 61R/61T vs 57classics?

  • @kayden2112
    @kayden2112 3 роки тому

    Because they look so much like the standards, and are often confused, how much did older (pre-2013) 61 re-issues cost new?

    • @KozumaHeiji
      @KozumaHeiji  3 роки тому +1

      Apparently 61RIs cost 1999USD on Sweetwater, back in 2011-2012.
      These 2013 stds were really a bargain at the time. No wonder that only lasted for that short while.
      Imo considering the specs, the new Std 61 they make now are also a great value

  • @Ledzepfan88
    @Ledzepfan88 2 роки тому

    The main difference between the current standard and standard 61 other than the guard is the hand wired pickups on the 61 vs PC board on the large guard standard. How much of a pain in the ***would it be to just get a standard and convert it to hand wired? Either way Different strokes for different folks

  • @BrickwallStudios0
    @BrickwallStudios0 3 роки тому

    I have 2013 SG in Classic White, and i'll never sell it, amazing sounding, feeling and looking guitar. The only "sacrelige" i did is that i installed batwing pickguard, because i love the look more. Anyways, great year for Gibson

    • @mdmjr2468
      @mdmjr2468 2 місяці тому

      i have an 2011 angus young thunderstruck signature model in ebony

  • @brianmckenzie1318
    @brianmckenzie1318 3 роки тому

    Most informative! Regarding the neck joints of a '61 Standard and the Batwing Standard, do you feel there is any difference in how stable it makes the guitar between neck and body? I think I read where Phil X said he liked a little more mass (larger heel joint), so guess that is why Gibson gave him the '64 SG where the neck joint is NOT down low at the 22 fret as you described. Again, really enjoyed the video as I'm currently looking at SG and can't decide between the '61 Standard or Standard (batwing pick guard). For some reason seems like the Standard and it larger heel would be more stable, but I don't know as I'm just guessing.

    • @KozumaHeiji
      @KozumaHeiji  3 роки тому

      Yes the larger heel maybe is marginally more stable, but both are solid enough. IMO the better upper fret access def makes up for it. If you are sensitive about the neck flexing maybe it's a good idea to get the batwing, but honestly both are prone to have that issue anyway. It never bothered me, neither my previous 2007 batwing or on this one.
      A 64 still has the smaller joint though. The change happened in 66.
      Good luck!
      Imo you can't go wrong with either

  • @afmcmurray27
    @afmcmurray27 2 місяці тому

    Awesome video brother

  • @2011Matko
    @2011Matko 3 роки тому

    Thanks for this video. Can I ask what is better deal? 2020 Gibson SG 61 brand new or just Gibson SG 61 reissue 2008? This from 2008 is 400€ less. Thanks.

    • @KozumaHeiji
      @KozumaHeiji  3 роки тому +1

      Being practical - as stock, here are the specs
      New Std 61 - 500k audio taper pots all around, Orange Drop caps, nickel hardware, (faux) ABR1 bridge, lightweight aluminum tailpiece (or your choice of vibrola), lighter colored neck binding, 61R/T pickups, small headstock
      A 2008 61RI would have - 300k linear vol pots, chrome hardware, Nashville bridge, cream neck binding, heavier pot metal tailpiece, oversized headstock, 57 classics, REISSUE on the model name.
      Hardware, pups and electronics can be changed, so it all comes down to the particular feel of each guitar. For 400 less, yeah, I'd definitely think about getting the 2008 instead. Look at the spec differences and see if you think the upcharge for the new one is worth it.
      All things being equal I think both are great options and you can't really go wrong. If you can try the guitars before buying that would be a good way to chose
      Personally the 300k vol pots is the only thing that REALLY would annoy me, but that's easy and cheap to change. I'm a bit OCD about it. I like 500k vol pots. Good luck and let me know how it goes!

    • @2011Matko
      @2011Matko 3 роки тому

      @@KozumaHeiji Hey André, thanks a lot for your answer :) ! I bought yesterday that 2008 and its amazing guitar. Really thanks a lot :) Greetings from Slovakia .

    • @KozumaHeiji
      @KozumaHeiji  3 роки тому +1

      @@2011Matko great to hear. Congrats on your purchase

  • @p7g498
    @p7g498 3 роки тому

    bought a 2013 sg original. couldnt be happier after 8 years.

    • @KozumaHeiji
      @KozumaHeiji  3 роки тому

      Yeah the originals look incredible for sure

  • @broonzy7577
    @broonzy7577 3 роки тому

    I’m currently considering to purchase an SG Standard ‘61 and I found this video very useful! 👍

    • @KozumaHeiji
      @KozumaHeiji  3 роки тому

      Thanks! Glad it was useful

    • @NotUrBiz
      @NotUrBiz 2 роки тому

      The 2022 Gibson SG Standard ‘61 has the 22nd fret heel, mid-placed pineapple, Burstbucker 61s, hand-wired, CTS pots, orange caps, and one ring tuner buttons

  • @lueyteledeluxe7457
    @lueyteledeluxe7457 8 місяців тому

    😂 Bro's getting mad at shenanigans!
    ...I don't blame ya', bro _!!_ 😂👍
    P.S. I love your "not '61"!
    I have always wanted a black SG with:
    • small guard
    • stoptail, and
    • all nickel hardware, also..
    • Trapezoid inlays, not lightening bolts, or blocks, or mini blocks, dots... etc
    It's a cool guitar ✌️😎

  • @glassslide
    @glassslide Рік тому

    Excellent video---thanks for the information, well done. I have a 2012 61 Reissue---which might be worth its won video, lol.

  • @DamnDealDone
    @DamnDealDone 6 місяців тому

    Pickups are flat to the body rather than angled for the strings. That alone makes a 61 reissue much better.

  • @RnRWND73
    @RnRWND73 3 роки тому +1

    Thank you for this!

  • @thedeafguitarist
    @thedeafguitarist 3 роки тому

    Learnt something new. Now I want a 2013 SG, thanks :D

  • @agoogleuser7832
    @agoogleuser7832 2 роки тому

    I got ripped off! Paid $1685.00 that should have been sold used for on Reverb for a 2019 SG Original with a 1.7 nut and FLAT fingerboard (if I wanted that crap I would have bought a PRS) and the crappy PC Board and pots that dont taper, as opposed to the REAL 61 RI with the rounded 1.67 nut width. And with my little hand I can tell the difference BIGTIME! It was advertised as a Gibson SG Standard '61 Maestro Vibrola 2019 Cherry. Its dark burgundy wine color. That was 2 years ago and it said NO RETURNS. I found out too late a few months ago Reverb would have forced the return because of the false description of the model. But they wouldn't do it after a certain amount of time. I bought it based on what I knew about the real 61 reissue and how good it felt when I played one at a store. It would be a nice guitar for somebody with a bigger hand. It has the 57 Classic pickups which I do like but I wanted the Burstbuckers for that tone. BEWARE if it's Burgundy and not Cherry which is a lighter color, it's not a 61 reissue. Not a bad guitar but not for me.

  • @jcwoodstl
    @jcwoodstl 11 місяців тому

    A lot of used Gibsons are currently priced for hundreds more than they cost new back in the day. Covid and inflation ruined the guitar market. A lot of these tribute and faded model guitars that were $600-$700 new are being sold for $1,000 used a few years later

    • @KozumaHeiji
      @KozumaHeiji  11 місяців тому +1

      Yeah prices have gone way up

  • @killereverb3928
    @killereverb3928 3 роки тому +1

    Great informative video. You point out the important things with a great side by side spec comparison that makes 100% sense and lays it all out without being confusing or long-winded. I have a 2013 Standard and had some questions. You answered my questions and then some. Great guitars and awesome value. I did not know there was no ‘61 Reissue for 2013. That’s something I’ve never s heard anyone say - but it clears up a lot when you get right down to it. Purchase my 2013 as new in 2020. Sat in the case I played for 8 years. Not a scratch nick dent or any blemish whatsoever. Could have been sold to me as brand new. Long tenon neck join, 57 Classics Deluxe tuners, dark heritage cherry finish - I have no complaints. Sounds amazing and cost $1,100 with .org hard shell case. Super stoked.

    • @KozumaHeiji
      @KozumaHeiji  3 роки тому

      1100 sounds like a decent deal for sure. Glad the video was useful. Enjoy the guitar

  • @silviopimentel7247
    @silviopimentel7247 2 роки тому +2

    Most knoledgeable review on SG's ive seen brother! Cause im an sg collector well was im down to only 5 now but went through over 27 at one point & u definitly know what ur talking about! Great work brother! 💯✌️👏👏👏🙌

  • @Dorderhan
    @Dorderhan 3 роки тому +1

    Very useful!

  • @jdmoney1000
    @jdmoney1000 2 роки тому

    good info bro

  • @twistedbigdaddy
    @twistedbigdaddy 3 роки тому

    Sell that guitar to me

    • @KozumaHeiji
      @KozumaHeiji  3 роки тому +1

      No, thanks. I'm keeping it 😉

  • @guitarman11000
    @guitarman11000 3 роки тому +1

    I have a 2009 '61 Reissue. Although it is a good guitar, it sure as hell isn't worth the $2000 that I paid. I have a LTD Eclipse that is just as good. Cost $500. Never again, Gibson! 😕🖕

    • @KozumaHeiji
      @KozumaHeiji  3 роки тому +1

      Yeah def some great guitars for more competitive prices out there