Wonderful. My parents were acquaintances of Chief Test Pilot Żurakowski, and an uncle worked on the Arrow. What a pleasure it was to hear "Zura's" voice again, and especially in the context of flying the Arrow! What also brought a smile to my face was the fact that his voice seemed most excited with the landing. It's not so much that you are happy you've survived, it's the fact that you are now free to let out the euphoria you had to keep under control while the test was still under way.
I won't give details but someone I was years ago told me he saw 4 of them. Maybe they will bring them out when the Corruption which canceled them is gone. We can hope soon!!!
It was the US governments fault they bullied our Prime Minister of that time to axe the Arrow. If Defiebaker stood up for us we would not loose all the great brains that created the Arrow. Avro would still be here today if it wasn't for those people in the US government who had dirty hands. I read a little bit from Randall Witcomb's book, " Cold War Tech War ", which explains what other things Avro Canada was cooking up before the Arrow was axed. I was born in the late 90's and I can't believe we lost such a magnificent manufacturer.
I remember seeing a picture of this plane when I was 5. It was the first time I was in such awe of the beauty of anything that I couldn't look away. Never saw it again until I went looking for it 5 years later only to discover the depressing story.
I Remember watching CBC the Night it was rolled out. I was never able to figure out why the Voodoo was flying when we had the AVRO Arrow. Yes I was Very Young. Always Loved Flight
This video makes me SO proud, and sad, at the same time ! Proud of the absolute achievement made designing this jet and getting it proudly into the air, and VERY sad it was axed just about a year later....Great job on restoring this literal piece of history, and to see it in colour - finally ! - brings it ALL back to life, again ! If you ever get to see the Avro film 'Supersonic Sentinel' ? My Dad scripted that, and came up with the title of 'Supersonic Sentinel', too. Although he was never credited for that on the actual film - being a technical writer at Avro, it was 'just another one of his projects at work' - but WE knew he'd done it ! At the time he borrowed a copy of the film, and a projector from work, and showed it proudly to his family at home. Thank you so much from the daughter of a former, and late, proud Avro employee. :)
We have rather poor copies of our old 8mm home movies of it taking off, flying over escorted by a CF100 and landing. This footage covers much more and in excellent quality.
A lot of Avro employees went to BOAC and what was born in 1969? Concorde. The Americans took the tech like fly by wire and the Europeans took the frame and engine design. The Canadians truly pioneered supersonic flight.
30 went to nasa and one was lead on the Gemini program, aswell as the apollo program. Those employees broke ground and its said they were crucial to the completion of this project
@@raynus1160 "Test" i think it was because this was considered production. So mostly just a technicality I believe. There was the French Ramjet in the 30's or 40's too. Almost fell to the nazis
@@Sevo- Ok. Fair point. The first production supersonic fighter was the F-100 Super Sabre (USA / first flown 1953) The first production Mach 2 fighter was the F-104 Starfighter (USA / first flown 1954) The first production Mach 3 aircraft was the Lockheed A-12 (USA / first flown 1962). Numerous supersonic (i.e.: Mach 1) combat aircraft were flown on both sides of the aisle long before the CF-105 Arrow took wing.
Leading-edge to be sure, but not the apex wonderbird folklore has made it out to be. In reality, McDonnell's F-4 Phantom II was a more-capable aircraft by every metric.
@@p-40war-hawk71 USN F-4's maintained a 5.42:1 kill ratio over N. Vietnamese MiG's. USAF F-4's maintained a 3.42:1 ratio. Not bad, considering the first 'hard-mounted' gun equipped (and more maneuverable) F-4E didn't arrive in SEA until 1968.
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As a Canadian I'd love to say that we were #1 but I temper the knowledge with the Fact that the F4 Phantom was in Development at the same time (1955 to 1959)and it was also a mach 2+ aircraft in addition to being usable in Navy service which the Arrow was Not due to it's enormous size (it was rated for the same load out as a B25 Mitchell!!!)
@@tylernorris7945 Several Mach 2 interceptors were already flying in 1958, some before. Lockheed's F-104, EE's Lightning, Dassault's Mirage III, and Mikoyan's MiG-21 all flew 2+ years before the Arrow. As to dedicated spy planes, the U-2 first flew in 1955. The Mach 3 Lockheed A-12 flew in 1962. The Arrow was designed as an interceptor, with a _possible_ secondary rcce role. As stated above, it was an ambitious design, but doesn't really hold up to the hype assigned to it. As its contemporaries were exceeding Mach 2 with regularity, the fastest level flight speed attained by a CF-105 was Mach 1.90. It carried neither a weapon nor a radar/fire control system on any of its 66 flights and, had it not been cancelled, likely wouldn't have entered operational service until 1961-62.
So nice, the restored film looks great, you did a great service for all Canadians. The reason I believe it was cancelled and destroyed; it was TOO GOOD A PLANE. The U.S. aircraft industry was embarrassed & wanted this plane gone.
This is actually more tragic as not was the plane lost but everything was basically destroyed, the company that developed it and a majority of the suppliers that employed people all around the country to build parts for it.
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I agree,we were extremely lucky to keep 2 of the prototype TSR2 from destruction but the blueprints and jigs all were destroyed,and most of the employees were sacked the day of cancellation,such a bloody waste.@@ryanluoma-zz3jy
Atleast Tsr2 has 2 survivors even though everything around the project was destroyed But for the Arrow, everything, including Prototype, machineries, tools and even blue prints were destroyed. Almost as if wiped off the face of the earth
Everyone seems to be forgetting that AVROE had US Military contracts for groundbteaking designs. The Arrow was also designed to be easily repaired, modified and improved. Turn-aroung time was shorter than just about any other aircraft. The F-18 is a wonderful aircraft, but tetribly expensive and hard to repair compared to the Arrow. Even if it was not the best plane in production, it would have vaulted the Canadian Aircraft Industry onto the World Stage. No one else was manufacturing the Airframe, Engines and Fire Control systems In House!
The airframe and engine were a huge achievement. The other half of the program, an RCAF project not an Avro one, the missile and fire control systems Sparrow 2 and Astra, were black hole disasters that were trying to go way too far in the pre-integrated circuit and microprocessor era. A fully active fire and forget missile didn't come along until over 15 years later, with the rather large Phoenix, and with the intended size envelope of Sparrow 2, wasn't really achieved until the AIM-120 AMRAAM in the 90s. The RCAF contributed a lot to the program's demise due to the obsession with pushing the electronics technology instead of going with off-the-shelf (Falcon) and sinking over half the project money into that electronics black hole.
Bud Potocci was seen as the pilot flying the CF-100 alongside. The Chief test pilot was Andrzej Jaruszelski, formerly a wing commander of the Polish 303 Eagle squadron during the Battle of Britain. My uncle flew with him. I got to know him, even after his retirement to Barry's Bay, near Ottawa, where he Invented and built the first jet boats.
For a brief moment in time, Canada stood high above the shoulders of the entire aviation world with this phenomenal jet. Sadly our ignorant PM Diefenbaker simply cancelled it under pressure of the USA who had no airplanes anywhere close to the Arrow and were embarrassed.
Actually American pressure played no part, we did it all ourselves. And by we I mean that Tory traitor Diefenbaker - No guts, no vision and no bloody sense. He put 30,000 people out of work and gifted some of our best and brightest to the UK and the US space program.
This is the stupidest conspiracy theory there is. The Arrow was designed to intercept bombers flying toward the United States from over the Arctic. What? Did they value their ego more than defending their country? At a time when they believed war with the Soviet Union was a real possibility? Not to mention the XF-108, which was basically the same as the Arrow, was also cancelled.
I know we don’t have the entire reasons why this project was cancelled. This was such a catastrophic event to the Canadian aerospace industry, one that made us a 10:35 junior partner to the US as a result. Politics is the worst part of the human race!
Huh? Canada quickly went on to become the 3rd-largest aerospace manufacturer on the planet following the Arrow's demise - a position it held until only recently.
@@scottm1955 Canadian aircraft manufacturers do sell to an international market, including the USA. Bombardier products are used by numerous US carriers.
When my Mum, brother and I emigrated to Canada from England in August of 1953 ( my Dad having come to north America on the Queen Mary in March of that year, then headed to Toronto to 'get established' before bringing his family over) we WERE passengers on a Super Connie ! At the time - and because trans Atlantic flight was still a pretty big deal for the average person to do - we each got a special certificate to say we'd flown on that great plane, right across the Atlantic ! I still have them. Probably about 30 odd years ago someone had purchased a Super Connie, had it parked on the airport side of Derry Road right near Torbram Rd, in what used to be called Malton ( ! ), and turned it into a restaurant ! It looked SO cool sitting there !!! Unfortunately, we never got around to going to it. It was sold, and removed, a few years back now. :)
@@rexwave4624 It was cool ! Unfortunately, I don't remember the actual flight to Canada on the Connie all those years ago. I was only about 19 months old, at the time, but at least I have the certificate, with MY name on it, commemorating it !
0:10 Our beautiful Red Ensign flag. Miss it. Every Remembrance Day I fly it from our roof in honour of the tens of thousands who died or suffered debilitating wounds fighting under that banner.
It's sad & depressing watching this. The fact this country had a high tech broaden interest than just producing hockey sticks and farming. Ol' Dief certainly did not have any technical advance vision like Kennedy had for the future.
I was working for Avroe. Yes was there at the rimes when we flew the Arrow. 201. And the lay off. March 59: Worked in the blue print crib and one phone call from the government THATS all it took to lay ff 1,500 the announcement. Came over and said stop what you are doing and leave the building THATS it damn Defenbaker. CANADA lost a beautiful. Jet. And the same day we were all told to leave the Building. The Americans were here offering our top,men jobs was a totaly sick sick y for all of us. Just like that we were all out of a job
Whoever destroyed the Arrow also destroyed the the entire aviation industry we could possibly have today. Most politicians have minds of their own, if you think they are serving the country, think again.
John Deifenbaker was the newly elected PM a Conservative from the prairies. He had a grudge against the liberal party who started the program. The liberals basically called him a know nothing hick from the prairies. What could have been !!!!
I was 13 and remember seeing the Arrow fly over our home in Etobicoke. I believe it was a Political decision by Diefenbaker and the influence of the U.S. that scrapped this aircraft. Literally torched into pieces by a Hamilton company. All blueprints were to be scrapped too but we know some survived. We lost a lot of brilliant minds to other countries. Black Friday when approximately 13,000 people were announced jobless. A sad day for Canada. I worked at Douglas Aircraft in the 60’s and a lot of the guys were ex Avro and De Havilland employees working from the same buildings where the Avro Arrow was built.🇨🇦🇨🇦🍁
You believe that because you, and many other Canadians, have an inferiority complex. The "the Arrow was the best plane ever!" cope is the "It's not about size, it's about how you use it." of Canada.
Why all the publicity about the Arrow? as far as I am concerned, it is about time it was put back on the drawing board, and the heck with what the big bad boys south line think this time.
I worked at AVRO We were on the roof watched the 201 take off. March 25 / 1958 we all got laid off March 20th 1959 yes it was a totaly shock for all of us and that would be 1;500 people told to drop what we were doing and leave
Wonderful. My parents were acquaintances of Chief Test Pilot Żurakowski, and an uncle worked on the Arrow. What a pleasure it was to hear "Zura's" voice again, and especially in the context of flying the Arrow!
What also brought a smile to my face was the fact that his voice seemed most excited with the landing. It's not so much that you are happy you've survived, it's the fact that you are now free to let out the euphoria you had to keep under control while the test was still under way.
Man i would love to hear it in person i wish someone would remake one
I won't give details but someone I was years ago told me he saw 4 of them. Maybe they will bring them out when the Corruption which canceled them is gone.
We can hope soon!!!
Good job. Thank you. This is very important Canadian heritage.
Our pleasure!
Ya. Americans say it never happened. They're right.
i'm still mad we gave up on this
Same
It was the US governments fault they bullied our Prime Minister of that time to axe the Arrow. If Defiebaker stood up for us we would not loose all the great brains that created the Arrow. Avro would still be here today if it wasn't for those people in the US government who had dirty hands. I read a little bit from Randall Witcomb's book, " Cold War Tech War ", which explains what other things Avro Canada was cooking up before the Arrow was axed. I was born in the late 90's and I can't believe we lost such a magnificent manufacturer.
No the Conservatives under John Diefenbaker gave up on this!
@@maryrafuse2297Fact! He sold out.
65 years later and it's still gorgeous!❤🍁
I remember seeing a picture of this plane when I was 5. It was the first time I was in such awe of the beauty of anything that I couldn't look away. Never saw it again until I went looking for it 5 years later only to discover the depressing story.
I was 13.
I Remember watching CBC the Night it was rolled out.
I was never able to figure out why the Voodoo was flying when we had the AVRO Arrow. Yes I was Very Young. Always Loved Flight
This video makes me SO proud, and sad, at the same time ! Proud of the absolute achievement made designing this jet and getting it proudly into the air, and VERY sad it was axed just about a year later....Great job on restoring this literal piece of history, and to see it in colour - finally ! - brings it ALL back to life, again !
If you ever get to see the Avro film 'Supersonic Sentinel' ? My Dad scripted that, and came up with the title of 'Supersonic Sentinel', too. Although he was never credited for that on the actual film - being a technical writer at Avro, it was 'just another one of his projects at work' - but WE knew he'd done it ! At the time he borrowed a copy of the film, and a projector from work, and showed it proudly to his family at home.
Thank you so much from the daughter of a former, and late, proud Avro employee. :)
We have rather poor copies of our old 8mm home movies of it taking off, flying over escorted by a CF100 and landing. This footage covers much more and in excellent quality.
Tears of pride watchin' this. She was a thing of beauty in the air. Damn those responsible for scuttling her.
A lot of Avro employees went to BOAC and what was born in 1969? Concorde. The Americans took the tech like fly by wire and the Europeans took the frame and engine design. The Canadians truly pioneered supersonic flight.
30 went to nasa and one was lead on the Gemini program, aswell as the apollo program. Those employees broke ground and its said they were crucial to the completion of this project
Huh?
The USA went supersonic in 1947 and had mach 3 test aircraft (Bell X-2) before the Arrow even took wing.
@@raynus1160 "Test" i think it was because this was considered production. So mostly just a technicality I believe. There was the French Ramjet in the 30's or 40's too. Almost fell to the nazis
@@Sevo-
Ok. Fair point.
The first production supersonic fighter was the F-100 Super Sabre (USA / first flown 1953)
The first production Mach 2 fighter was the F-104 Starfighter (USA / first flown 1954)
The first production Mach 3 aircraft was the Lockheed A-12 (USA / first flown 1962).
Numerous supersonic (i.e.: Mach 1) combat aircraft were flown on both sides of the aisle long before the CF-105 Arrow took wing.
@@raynus1160 well hey the more you know! Thanks for the info!
We will never know what a great inceptor we had. So far ahead of its time.
Leading-edge to be sure, but not the apex wonderbird folklore has made it out to be.
In reality, McDonnell's F-4 Phantom II was a more-capable aircraft by every metric.
@@raynus1160 F-4 Phantom II was a good plane but get shotdown and lose the war at vietnam it was not great to the end lol
@@p-40war-hawk71
USN F-4's maintained a 5.42:1 kill ratio over N. Vietnamese MiG's.
USAF F-4's maintained a 3.42:1 ratio.
Not bad, considering the first 'hard-mounted' gun equipped (and more maneuverable) F-4E didn't arrive in SEA until 1968.
As a Canadian I'd love to say that we were #1 but I temper the knowledge with the Fact that the F4 Phantom was in Development at the same time (1955 to 1959)and it was also a mach 2+ aircraft in addition to being usable in Navy service which the Arrow was Not due to it's enormous size (it was rated for the same load out as a B25 Mitchell!!!)
@@tylernorris7945
Several Mach 2 interceptors were already flying in 1958, some before. Lockheed's F-104, EE's Lightning, Dassault's Mirage III, and Mikoyan's MiG-21 all flew 2+ years before the Arrow.
As to dedicated spy planes, the U-2 first flew in 1955. The Mach 3 Lockheed A-12 flew in 1962. The Arrow was designed as an interceptor, with a _possible_ secondary rcce role. As stated above, it was an ambitious design, but doesn't really hold up to the hype assigned to it. As its contemporaries were exceeding Mach 2 with regularity, the fastest level flight speed attained by a CF-105 was Mach 1.90. It carried neither a weapon nor a radar/fire control system on any of its 66 flights and, had it not been cancelled, likely wouldn't have entered operational service until 1961-62.
So nice, the restored film looks great, you did a great service for all Canadians. The reason I believe it was cancelled and destroyed; it was TOO GOOD A PLANE. The U.S. aircraft industry was embarrassed & wanted this plane gone.
Appreciate it - thanks for watching!
It was also in part by the prime minister of that time
Oh rubbish. You Canadians are always blaming us for everything. Your stupid politicians killed it and destroyed your domestic aircraft industry
Unbelievable this story
Like our TSR2.a tragic waste of such amazing engineering skills,she was a beautiful aircraft.
This is actually more tragic as not was the plane lost but everything was basically destroyed, the company that developed it and a majority of the suppliers that employed people all around the country to build parts for it.
I agree,we were extremely lucky to keep 2 of the prototype TSR2 from destruction but the blueprints and jigs all were destroyed,and most of the employees were sacked the day of cancellation,such a bloody waste.@@ryanluoma-zz3jy
Atleast Tsr2 has 2 survivors even though everything around the project was destroyed
But for the Arrow, everything, including Prototype, machineries, tools and even blue prints were destroyed.
Almost as if wiped off the face of the earth
Cool plane.. nice looking jet✈️🇨🇦👍
Beautiful and sad.
Everyone seems to be forgetting that AVROE had US Military contracts for groundbteaking designs. The Arrow was also designed to be easily repaired, modified and improved. Turn-aroung time was shorter than just about any other aircraft. The F-18 is a wonderful aircraft, but tetribly expensive and hard to repair compared to the Arrow. Even if it was not the best plane in production, it would have vaulted the Canadian Aircraft Industry onto the World Stage. No one else was manufacturing the Airframe, Engines and Fire Control systems In House!
The airframe and engine were a huge achievement. The other half of the program, an RCAF project not an Avro one, the missile and fire control systems Sparrow 2 and Astra, were black hole disasters that were trying to go way too far in the pre-integrated circuit and microprocessor era. A fully active fire and forget missile didn't come along until over 15 years later, with the rather large Phoenix, and with the intended size envelope of Sparrow 2, wasn't really achieved until the AIM-120 AMRAAM in the 90s. The RCAF contributed a lot to the program's demise due to the obsession with pushing the electronics technology instead of going with off-the-shelf (Falcon) and sinking over half the project money into that electronics black hole.
Simply wonderful!
Put the Avro Arrow on a stamp (If it's not already) and Pilot Bud too!
Bud Potocci was seen as the pilot flying the CF-100 alongside.
The Chief test pilot was Andrzej Jaruszelski, formerly a wing commander of the Polish 303 Eagle squadron during the Battle of Britain. My uncle flew with him. I got to know him, even after his retirement to Barry's Bay, near Ottawa, where he Invented and built the first jet boats.
For a brief moment in time, Canada stood high above the shoulders of the entire aviation world with this phenomenal jet. Sadly our ignorant PM Diefenbaker simply cancelled it under pressure of the USA who had no airplanes anywhere close to the Arrow and were embarrassed.
Actually American pressure played no part, we did it all ourselves. And by we I mean that Tory traitor Diefenbaker - No guts, no vision and no bloody sense. He put 30,000 people out of work and gifted some of our best and brightest to the UK and the US space program.
This is the stupidest conspiracy theory there is. The Arrow was designed to intercept bombers flying toward the United States from over the Arctic. What? Did they value their ego more than defending their country? At a time when they believed war with the Soviet Union was a real possibility?
Not to mention the XF-108, which was basically the same as the Arrow, was also cancelled.
Totally majestic. We had the knowhow how to get to the moon
And 25 top engineers from Avro Canada were snapped up by NASA, after the Arrow was cancelled to help put a man on the moon on July 20th 1969.
Not really. The moon is not a place where you can set your foot on. Like the sun it is local under the firmament, (dome).
@@mr.2cents.846 REALLY!! Sarcasm, I hope.
@@mr.2cents.846 help is available !
No, Werhner Von Braun and his team had the know-how to get to the moon. NASA was going there with or without 32 ex-Avro engineers.
I know we don’t have the entire reasons why this project was cancelled. This was such a catastrophic event to the Canadian aerospace industry, one that made us a 10:35 junior partner to the US as a result. Politics is the worst part of the human race!
Huh? Canada quickly went on to become the 3rd-largest aerospace manufacturer on the planet following the Arrow's demise - a position it held until only recently.
@@raynus1160 Could have easily been #2 or #1, with a World Market! How many countries today HAVE TO BUY AMERICAN!
@@scottm1955
Canadian aircraft manufacturers do sell to an international market, including the USA.
Bombardier products are used by numerous US carriers.
Beautiful. Imagine that you're a passenger on the Super Connie at 9:30?
When my Mum, brother and I emigrated to Canada from England in August of 1953 ( my Dad having come to north America on the Queen Mary in March of that year, then headed to Toronto to 'get established' before bringing his family over) we WERE passengers on a Super Connie ! At the time - and because trans Atlantic flight was still a pretty big deal for the average person to do - we each got a special certificate to say we'd flown on that great plane, right across the Atlantic !
I still have them. Probably about 30 odd years ago someone had purchased a Super Connie, had it parked on the airport side of Derry Road right near Torbram Rd,
in what used to be called Malton ( ! ), and turned it into a restaurant ! It looked SO cool sitting there !!! Unfortunately, we never got around to going to it. It was sold, and removed, a few years back now. :)
@@voiceofreason7856 that’s awesome. I became familiar with that corner years later. I wish I’d seen that display/restaurant.
@@rexwave4624 It was cool ! Unfortunately, I don't remember the actual flight to Canada on the Connie all those years ago. I was only about 19 months old, at the time, but at least I have the certificate, with MY name on it, commemorating it !
All Arrows go to heaven
There were incomplete prototypes
Rl 207 to 209 which were as far as 90 percent compete
Gone
Rl 206 with the advanced Iroquis engine, was gone too
0:10 Our beautiful Red Ensign flag. Miss it. Every Remembrance Day I fly it from our roof in honour of the tens of thousands who died or suffered debilitating wounds fighting under that banner.
Imagine the pride Canadians could feel to this day, if only😢
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It's sad & depressing watching this. The fact this country had a high tech broaden interest than just producing hockey sticks and farming. Ol' Dief certainly did not have any technical advance vision like Kennedy had for the future.
The Arrow was obsolete, it was the farthest thing from the future.
It's a shame that they killed it before the plane had a chance to prove itself😢😢😢😢
1000mph in a climb?
yea
I was working for Avroe. Yes was there at the rimes when we flew the Arrow. 201. And the lay off. March 59: Worked in the blue print crib and one phone call from the government THATS all it took to lay ff 1,500 the announcement. Came over and said stop what you are doing and leave the building THATS it damn Defenbaker. CANADA lost a beautiful. Jet. And the same day we were all told to leave the Building. The Americans were here offering our top,men jobs was a totaly sick sick y for all of us. Just like that we were all out of a job
Then antilock brakes were invented to, "ditch the chute".
MADE IN CANADA BABY
Whoever destroyed the Arrow also destroyed the the entire aviation industry we could possibly have today. Most politicians have minds of their own, if you think they are serving the country, think again.
John Deifenbaker was the newly elected PM a Conservative from the prairies. He had a grudge against the liberal party who started the program. The liberals basically called him a know nothing hick from the prairies.
What could have been !!!!
I was 13 and remember seeing the Arrow fly over our home in Etobicoke. I believe it was a Political decision by Diefenbaker and the influence of the U.S. that scrapped this aircraft. Literally torched into pieces by a Hamilton company. All blueprints were to be scrapped too but we know some survived. We lost a lot of brilliant minds to other countries. Black Friday when approximately 13,000 people were announced jobless. A sad day for Canada. I worked at Douglas Aircraft in the 60’s and a lot of the guys were ex Avro and De Havilland employees working from the same buildings where the Avro Arrow was built.🇨🇦🇨🇦🍁
You believe that because you, and many other Canadians, have an inferiority complex.
The "the Arrow was the best plane ever!" cope is the "It's not about size, it's about how you use it." of Canada.
What a incredible looking aircraft way ahead of anything else in the sixties in the world , what a waste?
The money spent on it was a waste, I agree.
Красавец!
There is a string on the thumbnail. 😂😂😂
Yep and March 1959 we were are let go 1,500 people thanks to Defenbaker
and 300 million tax payers dollars were flushed down the toilet, along with Canada's ability to defend itself...the list goes on.
Bring her back with new avionics.
Why all the publicity about the Arrow? as far as I am concerned, it is about time it was put back on the drawing board, and the heck with what the big bad boys south line think this time.
lol outdated before it flew..
@@gocatoon4591 Not really
@@crazycatrox70 yes really
I worked at AVRO We were on the roof watched the 201 take off. March 25 / 1958 we all got laid off March 20th 1959 yes it was a totaly shock for all of us and that would be 1;500 people told to drop what we were doing and leave
If the Americans had bought the Arrow, they would have won in Vietnam.
(Immediately don's a fire suit)
no
You should have donned a clown suit.
Like the TSR-2 Politics got involved,
junk
This is a piece of real Canadian History!
@@mustangmanmustangman4596 outdated when designed
@@p-40war-hawk71 and you have no clue..
@@gocatoon4591 i got clue because i'm canadian and your not
@@p-40war-hawk71 uh it's Canadian and actually I am..
ooooohhhhyes