The OR just has a chunk and a danger to it that the Marshall doesn't have. I lost it when he whipped out that Venom- Welcome To Hell riff at 4:08 on the Orange
At 4:20 then again at 4:40 John plays the chord progression you mistake for Welcome to Hell. Two figures of what resembles WTH but at standard pitch. Then two figures of higher chords while still chunking the A string, that do not resemble WTH. In my opinion this is not WTH that John played. Does John even listen to Venom? It sounds like some Ace Frehley open A with the bent 4ths added in. Cronos?!?! More like Mantas...who just had a heart attack
Post 1974 Orange OR120’s have some truly bizarre things going on in the circuit. There’s heavy filtering of treble before the first triode, and the phase inverter setup is odd too. Mike Soldano used to fix these up and mod Oranges as well. I did the mods explained on the Orange Amps Field Guide and it’s made a massive difference. Takes it back to the early first version and it’s a huge improvement.
I'm always intriugued by how long it takes my perception to adjust between sounds when hearing two amps, or two pedals or two guitars, or whatever, compared side by side. Here I was find I loved the sound of the OR, then the Marshall sounded less pleasant by comparison, but then I kind of tuned in to the Marshall sound and loved that and then didn't like the OR when the amp switched again... Interesting the way the brain works. I love both these amps. I'm a Marshall guy at heart and always come back to Marshalls, but not sure how much of that is psychological... Fabulous video Johan! Thanks.
Thanks Pete! Yeah tone is indeed relative to what it is presented together with. I’m not even sure I’d be able to tell which one a specific sample is if can’t here both. Cheers
This stops all my relaxing weekend! ...Review very detailed as usual, Love the focused Orange rough sound putting the rythm riffs at the right place! ...Cant never deny the Super Lead that has a massive width of the sound, ...A perfect combination set for a band with two guitarists! ...Johan, you play those blues riffs like masked New-Yorkers! 2:27 ...Hahahahaa!!!
Schematics would show the differences that matter. The Orange has a Baxandall style tone stack and not the Fender style tone stack as used in Marshall amps. Baxandall is the old HiFi circuit used in many guitar amps like Ampeg and Gibson. The Orange also has a switchable coupling cap on the preamp output, so you can dial in the amount of bottom end reaching the power amp section. Orange wins here. Almost makes the Marshall sound out of phase with itself. Thanks John.
Correction, Fender 5f6 cathode follower Tweed bassman fender circuit Nothing like brown, blackface or newer fender circuits. I prefer cathode follower circuit over orange style circuit. Has more focus. The 444 55 hrts. Cone in orange cabinet were the low mids you liked. But not as tight and focused and 1959 circuit.
My ears preferred the Orange, but the Marshall sounded great too! I still have vivid and fond memories of the first time I saw real-live Marshall and Orange amps that the store. The Orange was in St. Louis, Missouri when visiting family, the Marshall was at a store near my home in Michigan. Both in the mid '70s. Oh and the smell of a new Marshall!!! Better than new-car smell!!! Thanks for sharing this video!
Great review as always, Johan. I know that the SM57 is about the most used microphone for amping speakers but it does give a certain kick to the sound just as speakers do. My last band our sound guy started me with a SM57 combined with poor mic placing. We changed it to a Sennheiser E906 and later a combination of the two when we had more time to test and after I changed the stock V30 to a Cannabis Rex 12.
With that riff around 4:10 Orange is much tighter and fuller sounding than the Superlead, which feels super scooped compared to the Orange which sounds super punchy in the mids. This amp really shines with its matching cab, I believe. Would be interesting to compare these two with more distant miking and with the opposite cabs... Bet both of them will be just fine :)
I'm not afraid to admit i like 444 cones and V30s. Thanks for the tip about not putting 120w through small cabs. Looks at 80s Peavey Triumph 120 combo... Have a good weekend everybody 🍻
Love the subtleties in your adjustments through the demo showing the Orange can be brightened and the Marshall darkened, but each retains its character. They are colors on a palette. Tools. Both awesome. In a nutshell Marshall cuts and sits on top. Orange works better with music styles that allow it to have its own space inside the mix. Orange does lots of things well but needs tweaked. Marshall does one thing extremely well and other things OK. I have both and love both. Thanks for another great comparison!
I go for Marshall and only one reason ☝️, it has a guts like a monster compared to the orange, but that orange does deliver fantastic sound too, but no body compared to S.lead and my opinion is depends on who likes what?? 🙌
Great comparison! One of the gnarliest guitar tones I've heard was a biamped setup with an Orange Terror Bass and a 5150. In the lineage of these two, though I know they're distant cousins. But I bet these two would sound great together as well.
The orange sounds tighter on the low end and sweeter on the top which translates into a more mid focused tone, very strong midrange. The marshall sounds looser on the bottom with extended highs which makes it sound more open and even when the bass is bigger, it sounds much brighter. Both sound great. The orange sounds meaner, more aggressive and punchier to me where the marshall sounds more hollow compered to. That said, I like both.
Well, I don't think I've never heard an Orange amp sound better, BUT the Marshall just sounds meatier. It's in the low-mids, I guess. The Marshall has more grunt, where Orange almost sounds like it has a bell-like chime which I had never noticed with Orange amps before. Is that a Super Distortion pickup you have in the bridge position of your Les Paul?
Johan.. maybe you could make the title.. “can a Marshall super lead sound like the sinking of the titanic” .. that should give you 1000x more views 😅 you’re the man!
I liked the Orange for its presence and articulation, and the Marshall for its bottom end girth and saturation. I think I slightly preferred the Orange more, but they're both basically 1a and 1b in my opinion. Both great tones, just in different ways.
@@JohanSegeborn So was I! 😄 I bet the Orange would sound a little more similar played through a cabinet loaded with Celestion G 12-65s. It might fill in some of the low end and shift the midrange a little lower. Might make an interesting test or comparison. Cheers.
I love that Orange midrange sound! I do wonder how much of those mids are the speakers and how much are the amp. This one sounds different from my ‘72 OR120, but I don’t have a proper vintage Orange cab, and maybe it’s dialed in differently. My OR can get thrash metal levels of distortion.
I think that the comparison should be with the same cab, mic and without attenuators, only switching the amps cab connection. On 5 it’s not neutral, at least in Marshall that is not hi fi tone stack (Baxandall).
There are several of those videos on the channel and you need two cabs if you’re not using attenuators. These attenuators are very transparent, shown in multiple videos here on the channel. The initial setting is just reference point as described in the video. It would indeed be interesting to see exactly, if any, which settings of the EQs are equivalent. Isn’t there some app for that from Seymour Duncan?
@@JohanSegeborn Tone stack simulator in Duncan amps. Anyway the differences between them are clear in the video, I’m always in the Marshall side of life. Your videos are worthy because today it’s difficult to reach the good old classics in person. Regards !
They're very different. On Oranges, I typically can't get them to cut, but the thickness is nice. Very, very hazy 70s. Iirc Captain Beyond had a Marshall player and another guy with an Orange. Very distinctive from each other, and huge sounding in unison.
Hi, Johan! Anyway, I heard a Marshall sound blind. Orange sounds more like Rolland type, but if I could pick my strat to the stage amp, I am ready for everything!😊 Have a nice weekend!
Dude you literally have the coolest stuff I've ever seen or heard! If Buddha came down from heaven and asked if I wanted the or120 or that 100 w Hiwatt... I'd probably have to flip a coin... As crazy as this sounds I'm getting pretty darn close to the Hiwatt with the modified Marshall hybrid. 100w slaved to an or micro terror... Those old orange amps just sound so freaking good though! I'm a 90s child so this is well before my time, but that one MC5 concert ( i think it's in Germany circa 1971) w/ Wayne Kramer running into a cranked or120 is like my dream tone!
Both are great, the Orange has a little more of the modern gain sound and a bit nasally but the Marshall has that classic gain that is the “sound” of classic rock a little brighter, tighter and in your face. Both are great in their own right. I’m a Marshall Black Flag man myself. JTM50 ✊🏼
I notice you jump the inputs on the Marshalls more nowadays but I prefer hearing the more period-authentic use of high input alone. Please go back! (It’s up to you of course, in the end)
I love Orange but I preferred the Marshall here. If you go in the bathroom and turn the shower on, it's the Marshall that cuts better and is more audible overall.
I had a 73 OR-120. Using an attenuator affected the tone quite a bit. It was quite a bit fuzzier without the attenuator. It's an extremely open, uncompressed sound that generally benefited from the compression coming from the attenuator. It sounded cool either way, but it was very doomy without the attenuator and more classic rock with it. Also, don't sleep on the clean sounds of the OR-120. Nothing has lower lows and higher highs.
Had a rocker 30 head for years...Will never sell it. Had all kinds of amps.....mesa.....bluesbreakers....laney........DSL...TSL.....etc etc etc...always go back to the rocker.
I‘m surprised(?) I favored the Orange over the Marshall. More definition, less fizz, les distracting distortion, more balls, not as thin sounding. …I currently play a Marshall btw ; P
Hi Johan, could you imagine to make a video about using impulse responses instead of speakers and how to optimize the sound? I'm a bedroom player, and I find it sometimes difficult to tame the highs of my Marshall 1959 when listening over headphones.
The Orange would be a decent compliment second guitar track amp to a Marshall. But then again so would a HiWatt, Fender or Laney and those three would probably be funner to play, more flexible, look better, and you wouldn't have to learn hieroglyphics. I've never heard an Orange do anything something else couldn't do a little bit better. I couldn't hear just an old Orange alone without thinking the track could use a little something more. Also whenever I've seen those old beat club videos when the band ends up with the Orange backline it never sounds as good as when they are playing other stuff. I remember in the old days people liked the Orange cabs because they were a little deeper and bassier like another step beyond going from an A cab to a B cab, but to me they always seemed a little muddy and overlapped with what the bass was doing on the bottom end. I always kind of saw Oranges as an overpriced British Peavey, they have the same vibe to me. Even with their modern highgain amps today for metal, I would rather plug into an old 5150 instead. Seeing the two next to each other I'm reminded that we sometimes overlook how nice, classy, and cool Jim Marshall designed the look of his amps. You can't beat a Marshall. Sometimes things become cliche for a reason. Just my opinion of course.
Man, that sure is a lot of text to just say you don’t like Orange amps. I’m lucky enough to own an Orange, and I can’t say I’ve ever played an amp that sounds like it, so I’m not sure how another amp (other than a Matamp) could do it better. I agree that modern Oranges aren’t great, though.
@@FleshOnGear Yeah I tend to ramble. I've always wanted to like Oranges, I like the way Matt Pike sounds with his stuff, if I played tuned down and used pedals those kind of amps would make perfect sense to use at loud volume. Most of my experience with them is back in the 80's when you would plug straight in and they just gave you too much of everything. Since I don't play as loud as I used to for that kind of stuff (which I admit is not really my wheelhouse) I like plugging straight into my 5150 or for recording a little Sunn Stinger 20 I turned into a head.
If I'm being honest , I wasnt expecting the orange amps to sound that good. The marshall has more of a modern tone but that's probably why I like the orange better. The orange amp just sounds more in your face. Maybe it has more mids.
I much preferred the Marshall over the Orange. Orange amps are kinda like Vox amps for me... I just don't care for their sound. I don't know what it is, but I've never heard either one of those two that I liked.
Question: How do you get the Orange to break up so nice? I have a 1973 OR 120 and it will not break up until it is 3/4 volume and does not sound like yours. Mine is so loud it is unbearable at any breakup level, and that is coming from someone who plays a 100 watt Marshall all the way up. Any advice or thoughts? I just use my Orange as a pedal platform amp because of its pure clean power.
@@JohanSegeborn Thanks for your reply. I use very hot pickups as well. The amp has tons of headroom. It has been serviced. I will go back over the circuit again, but it looks to be an all original amp. Thanks for your input!
Great amps and cabs, love your videos Johan! I was wondering...I generally agree that a cab that's twice the wattage of the amp is necessary to avoid blowing speakers, but how can two Celestion Blue handle an AC30?! Is the amp overrated or are the speakers underrated? My AC30 with two Blues is very loud and has lots of gain, but the speakers seem to not mind at all. 🤷♂
Great video. Orange amps have always produced the goods, seen more than a few bands using them at gigs and they always have great tone. And loud! Spillede Leslie West ikke Orange-forstærkere?
The Orange sounds "wooly" and muffled while the Marshall is clear and cutting. They would definitely blend well together. If I had to choose one it would definitely be the Marshall. Cheers!
I want the Orange because I already have Marshalls... 😂 But seriously, I didn't realize how clear and defined the Orange is/was. A great example is Paul Kossoff playing with an Orange backline in 1970: ua-cam.com/video/q13EUUsIsFE/v-deo.html
My time owning an OR-120 was a huge disappointment. Zero breakup until you were deaf lol. Without PPIMV or a power soak..it's a clean amp up til about 8-9..one wire mod Super Lead or Bass for me! Watch the old Beat Club/Musikladen clips..you'll see that they aren't as distorted..VERY loud, and the singer is basically screaming. Look up The Sweet 'No You Don't" Musikladen 11.11.74. It is DEFINITELY a kick ass tone, but you can see how hard they have to push them.
@@JohanSegeborn Preamp Impedance with unpowered Mics is not nearly as accurate as a SPL meter with the same speaker distance, and or convenient... Play around with Preamp Impedance and find out 😁 Its why a neve , ssl, and api preamp "sound" different...A Sm57 will have a different sound do to the impedance not the actual transparent preamp🍻 I think 🤣🤘
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The OR just has a chunk and a danger to it that the Marshall doesn't have. I lost it when he whipped out that Venom- Welcome To Hell riff at 4:08 on the Orange
Cheers
I like to think he was snarling and wagging his tongue around like Cronos for that riff.
At 4:20 then again at 4:40 John plays the chord progression you mistake for Welcome to Hell. Two figures of what resembles WTH but at standard pitch. Then two figures of higher chords while still chunking the A string, that do not resemble WTH. In my opinion this is not WTH that John played. Does John even listen to Venom? It sounds like some Ace Frehley open A with the bent 4ths added in. Cronos?!?! More like Mantas...who just had a heart attack
@@hyperluminalreality1 sorry, I'm not reading all of that.
Whenever Johan does a video with Orange amps! It’s the most important thing he does. 🍊♥️🍊
Yummy!
Marshall's are great but man Orange is the sound of hard rock in MY head. That's it
Can't say I prefer one over another. Both of them sounds excellent. Great amps!
Thanks man!
Post 1974 Orange OR120’s have some truly bizarre things going on in the circuit.
There’s heavy filtering of treble before the first triode, and the phase inverter setup is odd too.
Mike Soldano used to fix these up and mod Oranges as well.
I did the mods explained on the Orange Amps Field Guide and it’s made a massive difference. Takes it back to the early first version and it’s a huge improvement.
and dont forget filter ITS HUGE !marshall doesnt have this !5 steps
The orange mids! I love that about them
Yeah great mids, the tone is more up front than the Marshall
Agree. Perhaps a bit thin/nasal at times.. but maybe thats a good thing in a mix.
Still prefer the Marshall. Despite what advantages the Orange circuit may provide, the Marshall sound is the sound that moves me.
Thanks Daniel
Wow Incredible sound on both amps, your comparison wants me to get both amps with the cabs setup. Incredible thanks Johan for a great video
I'm always intriugued by how long it takes my perception to adjust between sounds when hearing two amps, or two pedals or two guitars, or whatever, compared side by side. Here I was find I loved the sound of the OR, then the Marshall sounded less pleasant by comparison, but then I kind of tuned in to the Marshall sound and loved that and then didn't like the OR when the amp switched again... Interesting the way the brain works.
I love both these amps. I'm a Marshall guy at heart and always come back to Marshalls, but not sure how much of that is psychological...
Fabulous video Johan! Thanks.
Thanks Pete! Yeah tone is indeed relative to what it is presented together with. I’m not even sure I’d be able to tell which one a specific sample is if can’t here both. Cheers
Johan thank you so much for your comments at the end, we all value your informed opinion, really appreciate it :) Greetings from Canada!
Thanks flad to hear it! Cheers
I need both of them!!!! Both sound great, thx for your demo! I wish you could have played them both together
This stops all my relaxing weekend! ...Review very detailed as usual, Love the focused Orange rough sound putting the rythm riffs at the right place! ...Cant never deny the Super Lead that has a massive width of the sound, ...A perfect combination set for a band with two guitarists! ...Johan, you play those blues riffs like masked New-Yorkers! 2:27 ...Hahahahaa!!!
Thanks! 😁
Schematics would show the differences that matter. The Orange has a Baxandall style tone stack and not the Fender style tone stack as used in Marshall amps. Baxandall is the old HiFi circuit used in many guitar amps like Ampeg and Gibson. The Orange also has a switchable coupling cap on the preamp output, so you can dial in the amount of bottom end reaching the power amp section. Orange wins here. Almost makes the Marshall sound out of phase with itself. Thanks John.
Thanks! I also preferred the Orange here.
IMO Orange wins on the lower strings and Marshall wins on the higher
Correction, Fender 5f6 cathode follower Tweed bassman fender circuit Nothing like brown, blackface or newer fender circuits.
I prefer cathode follower circuit over orange style circuit. Has more focus. The 444 55 hrts. Cone in orange cabinet were the low mids you liked. But not as tight and focused and 1959 circuit.
My ears preferred the Orange, but the Marshall sounded great too! I still have vivid and fond memories of the first time I saw real-live Marshall and Orange amps that the store. The Orange was in St. Louis, Missouri when visiting family, the Marshall was at a store near my home in Michigan. Both in the mid '70s. Oh and the smell of a new Marshall!!! Better than new-car smell!!! Thanks for sharing this video!
Great review as always, Johan.
I know that the SM57 is about the most used microphone for amping speakers but it does give a certain kick to the sound just as speakers do. My last band our sound guy started me with a SM57 combined with poor mic placing. We changed it to a Sennheiser E906 and later a combination of the two when we had more time to test and after I changed the stock V30 to a Cannabis Rex 12.
Thanks! Yeah Sennheiser and Shure is a great combo
One amp i would love to here is a WEM Dominator ..turned up with its natural overdrive !
Hi I have a bunch of videos on that one if you browse the channel!
Thanks Johan !
With that riff around 4:10 Orange is much tighter and fuller sounding than the Superlead, which feels super scooped compared to the Orange which sounds super punchy in the mids. This amp really shines with its matching cab, I believe. Would be interesting to compare these two with more distant miking and with the opposite cabs... Bet both of them will be just fine :)
Thanks, distant miking adds more of the room reflections so it does indeed even out the differences
Be interesting to hear the heads swapped over too. Those cabs also have a big influence.
I love that orange tone! I’d wanna hear it with various boosts
Thanks! That can be arranged later on
@@JohanSegeborn I will absolutely watch that
Johann makes all the amps sound great. These were perfect 70's-early 80's heavy metal tones.
Thanks Chris!
I'm not afraid to admit i like 444 cones and V30s. Thanks for the tip about not putting 120w through small cabs. Looks at 80s Peavey Triumph 120 combo...
Have a good weekend everybody
🍻
Have a great weekend you too!
Not sure why anyone would be afraid to admitt they like 444 cones. Neret heard of it being some sort of taboo . Liking 444 cones is quite common .
I don't now man, its hard to top that Superlead.
Thanks!
Would love to see a comparison with a classic Sunn amp. I don't think I've seen any on the channel so far.. Great video as always
For this comparison, I am really liking the Orange better.
Thanks!
Love the subtleties in your adjustments through the demo showing the Orange can be brightened and the Marshall darkened, but each retains its character. They are colors on a palette. Tools. Both awesome. In a nutshell Marshall cuts and sits on top. Orange works better with music styles that allow it to have its own space inside the mix. Orange does lots of things well but needs tweaked. Marshall does one thing extremely well and other things OK. I have both and love both. Thanks for another great comparison!
Thanks great feedback
I go for Marshall and only one reason ☝️, it has a guts like a monster compared to the orange, but that orange does deliver fantastic sound too, but no body compared to S.lead and my opinion is depends on who likes what?? 🙌
Thanks!
Great comparison! One of the gnarliest guitar tones I've heard was a biamped setup with an Orange Terror Bass and a 5150. In the lineage of these two, though I know they're distant cousins. But I bet these two would sound great together as well.
The orange sounds tighter on the low end and sweeter on the top which translates into a more mid focused tone, very strong midrange. The marshall sounds looser on the bottom with extended highs which makes it sound more open and even when the bass is bigger, it sounds much brighter. Both sound great. The orange sounds meaner, more aggressive and punchier to me where the marshall sounds more hollow compered to. That said, I like both.
Thanks interesting feedback!
I used to have an OR-120, I sometimes miss it but the lack of master volume was often an issue for me.
Well, I don't think I've never heard an Orange amp sound better, BUT the Marshall just sounds meatier. It's in the low-mids, I guess. The Marshall has more grunt, where Orange almost sounds like it has a bell-like chime which I had never noticed with Orange amps before. Is that a Super Distortion pickup you have in the bridge position of your Les Paul?
Thanks Mark! Yeah it’s a 1977 Super Distortion
@@JohanSegeborn They have a distinctive tone. Cheers!
Johan.. maybe you could make the title.. “can a Marshall super lead sound like the sinking of the titanic” .. that should give you 1000x more views 😅 you’re the man!
Orange sounds great, but I think I'm a little more partial to the Marshall in this one.
Thanks! Glad you like them
I liked the Orange for its presence and articulation, and the Marshall for its bottom end girth and saturation. I think I slightly preferred the Orange more, but they're both basically 1a and 1b in my opinion. Both great tones, just in different ways.
Thanks! Glad to hear it
@@JohanSegeborn So was I! 😄 I bet the Orange would sound a little more similar played through a cabinet loaded with Celestion G 12-65s. It might fill in some of the low end and shift the midrange a little lower. Might make an interesting test or comparison. Cheers.
I love that Orange midrange sound! I do wonder how much of those mids are the speakers and how much are the amp. This one sounds different from my ‘72 OR120, but I don’t have a proper vintage Orange cab, and maybe it’s dialed in differently. My OR can get thrash metal levels of distortion.
Marshall is actually more mid scooped than orange though the same speakers
I might be used to it or something, but my ears say "tank you" every time you go back to the marshal, despite the orange is a very good sounding amp.
Thanks!
The Orange has More Head Room and Marshall has the SWEET Sustain !!! .. I love both
Thanks Bruce
Hearing both like this.... I can't decide and I'd play them both together 🤘
All I know is that they would sound amazing together 🤤
Yeah that would sound huge
Absolutely fantastic have a wonderful weekend ❤😊
Thanks you too! ❤️
Surprisingly, the SL sounds fuller to my ears, compared to the OR 120.
I think that the comparison should be with the same cab, mic and without attenuators, only switching the amps cab connection. On 5 it’s not neutral, at least in Marshall that is not hi fi tone stack (Baxandall).
There are several of those videos on the channel and you need two cabs if you’re not using attenuators. These attenuators are very transparent, shown in multiple videos here on the channel. The initial setting is just reference point as described in the video. It would indeed be interesting to see exactly, if any, which settings of the EQs are equivalent. Isn’t there some app for that from Seymour Duncan?
@@JohanSegeborn Tone stack simulator in Duncan amps. Anyway the differences between them are clear in the video, I’m always in the Marshall side of life. Your videos are worthy because today it’s difficult to reach the good old classics in person. Regards !
They're very different.
On Oranges, I typically can't get them to cut, but the thickness is nice.
Very, very hazy 70s.
Iirc Captain Beyond had a Marshall player and another guy with an Orange. Very distinctive from each other, and huge sounding in unison.
Yeah the orange has a fuller middier tone
Hi, Johan!
Anyway, I heard a Marshall sound blind. Orange sounds more like Rolland type, but if I could pick my strat to the stage amp, I am ready for everything!😊 Have a nice weekend!
Have a nice weekend!
I had a ORANGE OR-120 for several years, it was from 1976, but I sold it.
Dude you literally have the coolest stuff I've ever seen or heard! If Buddha came down from heaven and asked if I wanted the or120 or that 100 w Hiwatt... I'd probably have to flip a coin... As crazy as this sounds I'm getting pretty darn close to the Hiwatt with the modified Marshall hybrid. 100w slaved to an or micro terror... Those old orange amps just sound so freaking good though! I'm a 90s child so this is well before my time, but that one MC5 concert ( i think it's in Germany circa 1971) w/ Wayne Kramer running into a cranked or120 is like my dream tone!
Own OR120 myself. This thing cranked is just so creamy and fuzzy. I adore it. But somehow I am currently looking into getting a Marshall amp.
Yeah they complement each other nicely
My Marshall is sweeter and my Orange is rougher. I love them both.
Got a or120 and 50 watt 1987s, yes that’s a S, not X. Gotta catch em all
Both are great, the Orange has a little more of the modern gain sound and a bit nasally but the Marshall has that classic gain that is the “sound” of classic rock a little brighter, tighter and in your face. Both are great in their own right. I’m a Marshall Black Flag man myself. JTM50 ✊🏼
Thanks man! Black flags are beasts in the best possible sense of the word!
Obv the Marshall is wicked but the 0R120 is one of my faves played on the channel along with the impact, Selmer tnb and London city.
Thanks! Glad you watch the videos! Cheers!
I notice you jump the inputs on the Marshalls more nowadays but I prefer hearing the more period-authentic use of high input alone. Please go back! (It’s up to you of course, in the end)
Hi! Yeah I personally prefer to use only the high bright input too, but that’s really bright on a 76
I love Orange but I preferred the Marshall here. If you go in the bathroom and turn the shower on, it's the Marshall that cuts better and is more audible overall.
Cool, interesting!
Marshall and Orange my two favourite brands
That orange sounds pretty good!
Glad to hear it!
I had a 73 OR-120. Using an attenuator affected the tone quite a bit. It was quite a bit fuzzier without the attenuator. It's an extremely open, uncompressed sound that generally benefited from the compression coming from the attenuator. It sounded cool either way, but it was very doomy without the attenuator and more classic rock with it. Also, don't sleep on the clean sounds of the OR-120. Nothing has lower lows and higher highs.
These attenuators are super transparent
Had a rocker 30 head for years...Will never sell it. Had all kinds of amps.....mesa.....bluesbreakers....laney........DSL...TSL.....etc etc etc...always go back to the rocker.
Just play through both at the Sam time and you’d have even more great tone.
Aloha Johan. Yes I'll take one of each.
Aloha Victor!
I‘m surprised(?) I favored the Orange over the Marshall. More definition, less fizz, les distracting distortion, more balls, not as thin sounding.
…I currently play a Marshall btw ; P
You should try an orange then!
Hi Johan, could you imagine to make a video about using impulse responses instead of speakers and how to optimize the sound? I'm a bedroom player, and I find it sometimes difficult to tame the highs of my Marshall 1959 when listening over headphones.
Hi, I have no currents for it but I’ll definitely keep it in mind!
This is a huge amp in volume and tone.🙏⚘👍👍👍great demo my friend.❤🎸🎸👍👍
Many thanks!!
The Orange would be a decent compliment second guitar track amp to a Marshall. But then again so would a HiWatt, Fender or Laney and those three would probably be funner to play, more flexible, look better, and you wouldn't have to learn hieroglyphics. I've never heard an Orange do anything something else couldn't do a little bit better. I couldn't hear just an old Orange alone without thinking the track could use a little something more.
Also whenever I've seen those old beat club videos when the band ends up with the Orange backline it never sounds as good as when they are playing other stuff. I remember in the old days people liked the Orange cabs because they were a little deeper and bassier like another step beyond going from an A cab to a B cab, but to me they always seemed a little muddy and overlapped with what the bass was doing on the bottom end. I always kind of saw Oranges as an overpriced British Peavey, they have the same vibe to me. Even with their modern highgain amps today for metal, I would rather plug into an old 5150 instead.
Seeing the two next to each other I'm reminded that we sometimes overlook how nice, classy, and cool Jim Marshall designed the look of his amps. You can't beat a Marshall. Sometimes things become cliche for a reason. Just my opinion of course.
Thanks, yeah I love Marshall it’s the pinnacle of guitar tone, but I really think the orange is a great alternative if you want a middier tone
Man, that sure is a lot of text to just say you don’t like Orange amps. I’m lucky enough to own an Orange, and I can’t say I’ve ever played an amp that sounds like it, so I’m not sure how another amp (other than a Matamp) could do it better. I agree that modern Oranges aren’t great, though.
@@FleshOnGear Yeah I tend to ramble. I've always wanted to like Oranges, I like the way Matt Pike sounds with his stuff, if I played tuned down and used pedals those kind of amps would make perfect sense to use at loud volume. Most of my experience with them is back in the 80's when you would plug straight in and they just gave you too much of everything. Since I don't play as loud as I used to for that kind of stuff (which I admit is not really my wheelhouse) I like plugging straight into my 5150 or for recording a little Sunn Stinger 20 I turned into a head.
@@ER-yq1lc that’s fair. I get the rambling thing, and Oranges aren’t for everyone, obviously.
They sound a lot closer than they do 'different'..In a blind test ,if you'd told me the Orange was a Marshall, i wouldn't have known otherwise.
Great comparison. The orange has a bit more "honk" to my ears.
Thanks Scott!
If I'm being honest , I wasnt expecting the orange amps to sound that good. The marshall has more of a modern tone but that's probably why I like the orange better. The orange amp just sounds more in your face. Maybe it has more mids.
Thanks, yeah I preferred the orange here too
I much preferred the Marshall over the Orange.
Orange amps are kinda like Vox amps for me... I just don't care for their sound. I don't know what it is, but I've never heard either one of those two that I liked.
The Orange makes the Marshall sound tinny and scooped to my ear in this test. I'd take the Orange.
Thanks, yeah I also thought it came out on top here
Please do the solid state Orange Super Crush 100
Cool I’ll keep it in mind
Question: How do you get the Orange to break up so nice? I have a 1973 OR 120 and it will not break up until it is 3/4 volume and does not sound like yours. Mine is so loud it is unbearable at any breakup level, and that is coming from someone who plays a 100 watt Marshall all the way up. Any advice or thoughts? I just use my Orange as a pedal platform amp because of its pure clean power.
What pickups does your guitar have? This Super Distortion is very hot. If that doesn’t work I’d ask a tech to go through it. Cheers
@@JohanSegeborn Thanks for your reply. I use very hot pickups as well. The amp has tons of headroom. It has been serviced. I will go back over the circuit again, but it looks to be an all original amp. Thanks for your input!
The Orange sounds like Sabbath to me... but the Marshall took it for this one. Nothing like the bark and the fizz
Thanks!
why do you have the mics all facing down like that JS?
It actually gives a pretty balanced tone for close miking
@@JohanSegeborn ok thanks.
Both are great. Marshall has the power
Yoo down't knoow tha powah...
Thanks Ian!
Great amps and cabs, love your videos Johan! I was wondering...I generally agree that a cab that's twice the wattage of the amp is necessary to avoid blowing speakers, but how can two Celestion Blue handle an AC30?! Is the amp overrated or are the speakers underrated? My AC30 with two Blues is very loud and has lots of gain, but the speakers seem to not mind at all. 🤷♂
I agree, the Celestion Blues must be underrated. Cheers
What amp in Orange's current product line is closest to the Orange OR-120? Incredible tones Johan
Great video. Orange amps have always produced the goods, seen more than a few bands using them at gigs and they always have great tone. And loud! Spillede Leslie West ikke Orange-forstærkere?
Thanks! I think he used Sunn Amps and Marshall
@@JohanSegeborn Yes, you are correct. He used a Sunn Coliseum PA stack according to some interviews.
Notta lot of difference ony Phone
Having both ps myself, the Orange is cleaner
I would prefer the demo without the attenuators, or are they not connected( i can see a cable on the Orange) anyway Marshall wins it for me
Wah! Or120 incredible!
Nothing beats a Marshall 🤘!!
Cheers!
@@JohanSegeborn Skol 🍺!!
The six dislikes are from those who play Katanas. LOL!
😂
Hell, both kick major butt, but i think the Orange has more high-mid frequencies and the Marshall has a bit more low end.
Just my two cents 😊
The Orange sounds "wooly" and muffled while the Marshall is clear and cutting. They would definitely blend well together. If I had to choose one it would definitely be the Marshall. Cheers!
Going 🍊 here. Both are killer 😊
How about both together?
I want the Orange because I already have Marshalls... 😂 But seriously, I didn't realize how clear and defined the Orange is/was. A great example is Paul Kossoff playing with an Orange backline in 1970:
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Orange for the lead guitarist and marshall for the rhythm. The songs would mix themselves
Yeah definitely!
great amps and oh man what they can do with boosters). are those g12h30 celestions?
The Orange has G12H30 and Marshall has G12M25
Orange sounded great but perhaps a little clipped in comparison to the Super Lead which is stellar. Keep on rocking Johan!
Thanks Eddie! Cheers!
Prefer the orange in this one.
Thanks!
Watch FREE playing 'fire and water' live on the Beat Club.....Orange amps. Best tone the Koss ever had imo.
Orangs sound, vs brown sound.
😉👍
This is what the difference of negative feedback feels like
Interesting reflection
The Marshall is great in a Mix but sounds harsh by itself.
My time owning an OR-120 was a huge disappointment. Zero breakup until you were deaf lol. Without PPIMV or a power soak..it's a clean amp up til about 8-9..one wire mod Super Lead or Bass for me! Watch the old Beat Club/Musikladen clips..you'll see that they aren't as distorted..VERY loud, and the singer is basically screaming. Look up The Sweet 'No You Don't" Musikladen 11.11.74. It is DEFINITELY a kick ass tone, but you can see how hard they have to push them.
Get a sound level meter. Very easy way to match gain 😎🍻🤘
Thanks man, but the DAW has a couple of those
@@JohanSegeborn Preamp Impedance with unpowered Mics is not nearly as accurate as a SPL meter with the same speaker distance, and or convenient... Play around with Preamp Impedance and find out 😁 Its why a neve , ssl, and api preamp "sound" different...A Sm57 will have a different sound do to the impedance not the actual transparent preamp🍻 I think 🤣🤘
Instant Jimmy Page. The OR sounds amazing
Thanks Matthew!
Prefer the Orange.
I actually prefer the Orange.
Vox AC 30 topboost is the GOAT.
That said both the Orange and superlead sound superb when you rock them!
Marshall, all day
"Premiers in 32 minutes" (🍿 let's go!)
Premieres.
@@DMSProduktions Typo police. Careful, friends. Be very careful.
@@endlesscurrent ;o) Still, the 2 words are NOT the same!
I see it often!
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You can’t really compare ANY amp to a classic Super Lead. Love my ‘72.
OR120 all the way
Cheers