This channel is so useful for me as I work in designing power tools for a living, and on a cordless mitre saw at the moment as a matter of fact. That 216 makita looks awesome, it has all the best features of a mitre saw in my eyes, and of all the tools we have on hand for product research I'd say Makita build quality is one of the best. Their 260mm 36V is a beast but man it weighs more than the sun, it's clear the 216 was designed to combat the portability issues of the bigger one. Keep up the great videos man, hello from the UK.
@@Forexfox99 Interesting idea but it would impact pretty majorly on the accuracy of the product, the tolerance of parts all contribute to cut accuracy, and there's a lot of parts all stacked up that influence where and how the blade lands on the work piece. We design our mitre saw to come in 3 components which reduces the pakcaging size by up to 40% and then assembled by the user, but this is a one time assembly, and even then we had to focus on key areas to make sure there is as little play in the saw head as possible. The slightest movement can have a big impact, particularly when making full capacity cross cuts. And also over time of taking the saw apart and reassemlbing maybe on a regular basis, parts would wear faster and the tolerances would increase meaning over time the saw would become more inaccurate. There's also more chance for dust and debris to get into bearing surfaces on the die castings meaning rough movement or even jamming.
@@Forexfox99 that's a terrible idea, sorry. The MOST important thing about a mitre saw is that it cuts straight, repeatedly. Making it collapsible like that would really mess with the accuracy.
Great video! Marita is a great brand no question I my mind. I've owned a 10" electric LS1013 since 2002 and still running with original brushes and accuracy is spot on. I check it regularly for out of alignment and all I can say it's an amazing mitre saw, and I've used this baby every week practically since 2002 as a contractor and finishing Carpenter. That 40V cordless saw looks great, but for sure out of my price range. As for the dust collection, they need to get rid of that corrogated hose, way to many ribs to pull dust thru in abundance, try changing to a preformed light weight rubber hose and I'm sure the difference would be incredible. The ribs also reduce the air movement as it creates way to my friction. That's my thoughts. Great review though, keep up the good work. Andrew
With something like this, batteries last a really long time and take no time - around an hour - to charge up. Be cool to have a cord for sure, but for something like this, it is definitely not needed
Dust extraction is the Achilles heel for Makita generally. Unlike Festool, they still haven’t figured out the value of standardizing on dust ports for their tools. You constantly need to McGiver connections. Which, considering the solid quality of their tools, is a bizarre point of failure.
I just bought this exact saw and started up with the 40V system. Scott's reviews had a big impact on my decision. Thanx and hello from the other side of the globe in Canada. 😊😊
Great review. Thanks. I'm a mostly Makita guy, and have been eyeing the 40v Compound Miter by Makita. Haven't justified my "need" against the price yet. The points you covered here really help. Regarding the undersized vacuum tube... they took notes from refrigerator manufacturers, who have been undersizing their condensate drains ever since they started making frost free 'fridges.
I purchased my 40v Chopsaw on the strength of your first video and I absolutely love it.. I fit custom bespoke bedrooms and use it for all of the mitres with no complaints whatsoever. My extraction is the Bluetooth Festool CTM MIDI and it’s great, I don’t get clogs? Only issue is the Bluetooth is not compatible, so I just use the Bluetooth button on my vacuum hose. I don’t think it’s expensive either, for the convenience it’s worth every penny and the batteries last for ages, I only need to change them once a week and they literally charge in about 15 minutes. This is a truly great piece of kit and I thank you for your videos.
I’ve noticed with my makita tools that have the light switch on them, if you hold that button down for 5-10 seconds, it will turn the light on for continuous use until you disconnect the battery or you hold the switch for another 5-10 seconds for the light to turn off
A mitersaw/dropsaw is a great tool to have. But honestly I think sometimes it’s not worth the hassle of setting it up only to make one or two cuts, so usually I’ll make the cuts with a circular saw unless I need to make a ton of cuts
Don't you have a hook up with 3d printing? The reason the bottom gets clogged is because it is the secondary suction point. Not only that but it is also trying to lift dust up through a difficult path. The way to fix it would be to remake the top tool connection piece into a single exit. Fit a Y connector half way between the top and bottom tool connections. The vacuum then plugs in at the Y. Equal airflow and suction at top and bottom. Yes air flow and suction are separate things on a vacuum that need to be balanced.
This makes sense, but I mean.. you shouldn't need access to a 3D printer in order to fix your drop saw's dust extraction, it should just be viable in the first place
@@GeorgeBoltz of course! But no product is perfect from the box for every user. But with today's modern, accessible and cheap paths to customising. Why wouldn't just fix it. Better than replacing it each time they update. You'd go broke. PS. I know he didn't pay for it and I know he probably won't pay for the update. My comment was more to make the average punter aware you have options to fix small niggles.
Same here for us Southern hemisphere dwellers towards you, but consider this - while everyone's singing Christmas songs about a winter wonderland and a white Christmas, our standard is t shirt, shorts and a BBQ. Santa has a fluffy suit in 35 *c! (95 f).
No kidding. Wore a harness for three weeks (12 hour shifts) while working above leaking boilers south of Atlanta. Impossible not to get swamp-ass in those conditions.
If they are smart they do. Makita makes tools for the professional user and they definitely do listen. I just bought their cordless track saw. Great saw but man these cordless tools are getting expensive. Still cheaper then the green ones from Germany though.
I feel you bro! Cordless as well by the way. Their vacuum matches a Festool tracksaw but not their own angle grinder dust shroud among other things. Drives me nuts!
Check out Central Technology Systems. They have a range of different sized push on adaptors with a bayonet on the other end which pairs with a fitting on the vacuum hose. I've spent 35 years messing around with different pipes, bits of rubber and tape and usually given up. This system is fantastic.....adaptors on everything, and don't forget the vacuum floor sweeper, and it's a 2 second change over. Best money I've spent to save hassle!
@@richardjames3121 have now tried this system. It is very good but doesn’t fit either the Makita palm router or mitre saw dust ports! If the couplers were made of a slightly more flexible material with a couple of mm of stretch it would be ideal.
@@marcstirrup9262 I agree a bit of stretch would be good sometimes. Smallest one fits my Makita 18v palm router. On the chop saw two circles of blue tape does it and you can still squeeze the portable bag on. Maybe a hair dryer on it and stretch while it's warm, it may hold a new shape!
I'm from NJ USA, . Ive been in the trades for 40 years. I bought the Kapex for $1445.00 ( Ridiculous), returned it and bought the Bosch 10" Axial glide saw, best Mitre saw I've ever owned, accurate, space saving zero clearance behind the saw. also fantastic motor, I highly recommend it.
12” blade needed to cut 4 by 4s (3.5x3.5), 2x4s on edge, and wide baseboard. Sticking with my basic 12” dewalt corded, considering a power station (~$450 US) if I were to ever need to go “cordless”. Work outside so dust collection is not a big issue. Thanks for the video.
This is the 8.5" saw. They haven't released the 10" or 12" yet which will have plenty of height to do just that. I have the older 10" LXT 36v and I haven't touched my old 12" dewalt in a couple of years now. Don't get me wrong, nothing but love for that old dewalt but I just haven't found anything the LXT won't do that the dewalt would other than dragging a cord.
Thanks to your Video I bought one of these today. Complete with its matching stand. Very impressed so far. Thanks for taking the time to make your videos.
Instead of using a pencil to unclog can you just disconnect the vacuum hose and vacuum out the clogged nozzle from where you were sticking in the pencil? Just a thought.. love ur vids mate they give me a lot of Info as I have just started a carpentry apprenticeship at the age of 35 lol keep it up mate. Cheers from Australia 🇦🇺
I don't have this saw but I have the corded similar one. As far as the dust port issue, I removed that big rubber funnel boot on the base and that spring thing on the saw blade guard port. I only have one hose that goes to the blade port. I am getting much better results.
What ypu said about the vacuum button being a good thing because its safer with out the blade spinning.. is also the exact reason there is a light button. To eliminate spinning blades while also adjusting your timber to the line.
Greetings from the UK, love the channel this is my first comment. I have 3 chops saws for different things. I have the milwaukee same as you because it's the lightest most compact double bevel mitre saw which I use for second fix carpentry. I have the bigger 36v makita for roofing and large section timber because it's got a large compound mitre cut. I also have the smallest makita chop saw which I use for battens and cls stud timber it's very handy on the van. Keep up the good work.
@@ScottBrownCarpentry Your point of the cut hight , Bosch mitre saws blade housing allows you to cut a bit higher at the back , they listened to their customers and also taking away a bit material from blade housing , that is not actually needed , saves them some money . Also Bosch had the bevel angle adjustment lock on front of the tool few years ago . It is amazing that most of tool innovations come from companies like Bosch and Makita that are not owned by some venture capital companies .
Best all round chop saw is the cordless DeWalt 305mm blade. It does everything that a carpenter needs but it’s a pain taking the beast in and out of the van every time.
I using dewalt dhs780t2 for 4 years, for me is the best saw at the moment, 305 mm blade with is allowing me to cut 300 mm deep and 100 mm high, I can use with 2 way of power, with battery or with power adapter, and as well it has two type of power adapter 110v (for UK sites) and 240v.
Great review. I had a Milwaukee m18fuel 12inch drop saw, up until a week ago when, for the second time in 6 months, it stopped working. Now they tell me that particular issue is a regular issue for the 12 inch and they basically have stopped selling the in New Zealand. My back up saw is the electric 12inch version of the saw reviewed here. Apart from the weight, it’s a great saw. The laser issue isn’t a big deal as it’s a simple case of getting used to the line. I use macrocarpa sleepers often, hot knife through butter! But man does it clog up!! My saw came with no dust bag, which I thought was ridiculous but then I realised it doesn’t really needs a bag, because it’s just going to block anyway…I do have a vac that I put on the saw but it still blocks a fair bit.
If Makita listen to you the newer model might fix the depth of cut issue, a taller fence that should slide not remove for bevels and sort out that light thing. Scott, I'm a big Makita fan and have lots of battery-operated tools so I know these batteries are quite expensive so I'm sure folk would want to know how many hours cutting you as a job site user, usually get from one fully charged battery. I'm just back from ordering the corded (LS1019) from my local Bunnings and without a Bunnings card I had to pay full price up front. My newy is going on a purpose built table/mitre saw/router workbench. The old Ryobi due to its configuration would take up way too much real estate. Oh, Thanks for the video. I enjoyed watching it in full.
I have a Makita 5" random orbit sander. I mention this because I was surprised how small the dust collection port was on the sander. I 3D printed adapters to fit up to my 1 1/4in hoses. The reduction in size of the port was quite silly, really. Perhaps there's an upgrade path in the future. I'm betting tooth count, and moisture may play role as well. You have an awesome channel. Thank you!
I'm glad you did this follow up review. I'm strongly considering buying this saw. I'm glad for your "likes" about the saw. And some of your "dislikes" I don't think would bother me at all. The one dislike I'm in board with is the price. But, being a Makita guy I should be used to it by now. Again, thanks for taking the time.
Scott Brown Carpentry, you said:" the dust collection its not OK" , but actually is very good, if you look at the small label(sticked on the machine) I hope you'll see why your dust collection it's not OK.
Scott, I have owned Makita saws in the past and wanted another cordless miter saw. I was thinking Milwaukee since I own a lot of their tools, but to many complaints. After watching your video I decided on this saw you have. Makita makes fine tools and this one is light weight , cordless, and great for small jobs. I enjoy your videos, keep them coming. Oh btw, I agreed with you on the handle, I don't like the horizontal handles.
I'm a makita guy for all my hand tools and dust extraction but went with the Bosch gcm12 for my go to miter saw and couldn't be happier. Only draw back is its weight but it rolls easy on the gravity rise stand
Great review Scott. Your right about the dust extraction.. although I mainly cut MDF on 2nd fix carpentry and it’s sucks up 80% of the dust . Softwoods however, clogs very quickly. It’s a great saw though.. with a 260 mm blade version on the way …
I have had the single battery 18v compound mitre saw for over 2 years. Other than being a little gutless with a single battery, it is awesome as an everyday saw.
I have agreat older 240v Hitachi (now Hikoki) 12 inch SCMS. It came with built in digital angle readouts to 1/100 of a degree and has the screw adjustable depth stop, high-ish split fences with flip out sections for when you tilt the saw blade out of vertical. The rail system is adjustable with a knob so either the saw and motor run back & forth on the fixed rails or the saw/motor are fixed to the rails and the rails stick out the back if there is room. But it looks like Hikoki only make (or import to Australia) 10" or smaller battery powered SCMS now.
My all rounder is my daily saw, a 16 or 17 year old Ryobi 10 inch corded saw, single rail, low fence, piss poor dust extraction, but still surprisingly accurate and powerful. But its taken a back seat recently as the guard no longer retracts when you push the saw down
Have recently bought this saw and personally think it is a great saw. I have to agree with you Scott, the dust extraction is poor. I also have the 1219L and again the dust extraction is poor. Constantly clogging on both saws so if you are reading this Makita do something about it please
Thanks for the review Scott, very timely - I actually went to go an look at this saw yesterday but the local stores didn't have any in stock. I wish the vendors would come up with a standard for the bluetooth feature so we can mix and match!
FYI: Metabo (in Europe, Hitachi/Hikoki in the East) has a module that detects the vibration from a power tool and the receiver activates the vacuum. The sender module is like a ring that you can mount on the “sucking end” of the hose. Perhaps it’ll solve your issue until the different manufacturers get their sh*t together :)
With you on the pistol grip, bro. When companies started releasing the horizontal grips years ago, I could believe it. Horizontal grip is soooo uncomforatble. pistol grip for the win
A comprehensive review. Nice. I'm with you on D-handles. I have a cheap 20yr old 255mm GMC drop (not slide) and a similar aged 305mm Bosch Drop and slide, both with D handles. I can use these with either hand. I bought Dewalt 255mm Drops for school which have the sideways handle and I keep having to stop students from crossing over their arms because they are uncomfortable swapping trigger hands
I've got the makita 305mm 40v and i totally agree with the dust extraction however its not the size of the tube that's the problem it's actually the hole where it does a 90deg turn is too small before it enters the tube, mine always blocks up and its always this point where it chokes up, could be fixed with a dremel though...
Love the videos big fan, tool prices in New Zealand are very expensive. I live the uk and makita is really good value here. What’s the best all round drop saw I can’t have 4 different ones!!!
Love the saw had it since it came out in the uk, yea it is expensive but it’s the best mitre saw out on the market for sure! U did mention the twin mitre not a lot of small battery saws have that
I had a 260mm 36v heavy and after a few months was cutting out of square on the bevel by over 2mm. I heard other people had the same issue. Sold it. Thinking about getting the 260mm 40v or 216mm 40v 🤔
I’d say the 10” Makita has the best dust extraction of any saw I’ve used and doesn’t clog. The difference might be that the vac attaches to the BOTTOM part of the saw’s dust extraction, not at the top like the 40v. I wonder if it can be switched on the 40v?
Why did they take that feature off. They had it on the 36v and was one of the main reasons for me getting it. That and the big base. I'll be skipping the 40v mitersaw.
I have a dewalt flexvolt. the user ability of the saw is the best in the industry IMO. but I don't think the flexvolt can hold up to every day use I think its more of a specialty saw for special occasions. any way I love makita tools but not there miter saws. great video thanks for your time.
Great video Scott, have the same setup and same findings, particularly around dust extraction and how you don't notice it immediately. One other minor issue is the current lack of 40v dust extractors. It means I'm working on 2x18 and 40v for this and my tracksaw. First world problem and the extractor usually lasts all day but one battery type for all would be great. Another minor issue is with the Makita mitre saw stand. Not sure if I have a bad unit but the levelling foot has already gone and I find the stop has a lot of give in it, you have to set it with your workpiece rammed into it as hard as possible for consistent results. Above may seem negative but it's a great setup overall and I won't be going back corded.
I love my DeWalt 20V 7.75” compact Miter saw paired with my much larger 120V flex volt 12” miter saw. Got both of them with batteries for under $1,000 USD. I love that I can use my flex volt one with a power adapter and run it corded if need be. I wish DeWalt would make a power adapter for their 20V system
I've found with the 36v makita that the clogging dust port has to do with low air flow from a vacuum. I have a corded bosch hepa vac...never clogs. But with a lower cfm cordless vac...clogs frequently.
I’ve been using it with my festool ct36 vac for about a month now, and it clogs up relentlessly still. The little chute at the bottom is just too small, while also having a 90 angle to go out into the tube. And that small tube doesn’t help either I’m sure. That is my only complaint though, fantastic saw otherwise.
I'm a framer and I've got the 12" DeWalt corded one. Don't use one much framing, mostly skill saws. But it's great if you need to cut hundreds of 2x the same length. It'll do 3 2x6s at once or 2x4s on edge so you can cut like 6 I think *edit* framer not farmer lol
@@MaCcAM40a3 ya it won't be as good for finishing stuff as the festool but for rough framing it does the job. Then again Spencer Lewis swears by the dewalts. He's a full time trim carpenter and he says he's burnt out a few festools already. Check his channel out, he's got some videos on the topic. Insider carpentry
@@mikegilberg8776 yeah right thats interesting. I'll have a watch. It's just frustrating spending $1600AUD for what should be a top of the line drop saw and it never working properly. I've heard a few stories of motors dying pretty quickly too.
@@MaCcAM40a3 ya man check him out he's got a video on how to calibrate your saw too for finish carpentry so they cut bang on every time I don't think all of them are good from the factory, you need to check them when you get them and then every once and a while if they start acting up
@@MaCcAM40a3 oh and by the way, you say 1600 for the DeWalt or the festool? Because I think I payed around $700 - 800 CAD for mine from Costco about 8 years ago.. I know prices are way out of whack in aus/nz.. I lived and worked in nz for a year.. But still.. Seems steep
Love my 10" Milwaukee saw, most accurate saw out of the box I've used. Only drawback is it's a heavy beast, probably should have bought the 8" version, not often I need to cut anything particularly deep (cabinetmaker) Never going back to corded saw tho!
I ended up getting the updated 10in version of this in the US. Has all the features and updated with the shadow line vs the 36v. Considering going to this one though. The 10 in version is over 60lbs and even on a saw stand, its a bit difficult to maneuver around. Seems like they fixed the dust collection issue a bit on the 10 in, as the dust port at the bottom doesnt clog. However, the dust extraction still sucks.
Scott, could you cover the correct procedure for squaring up a drop saw? No one has ever shown me, the “right” way & I feel like I could be doing a better job, not to mention faster at it as well. Thanking you in advance.
Yeah I've had a hard time finding details on this as well. Only problem is that it's really specific to each saw. But I can't even count the number of times I spent time getting everything set, thinking I was good, making a cut only to find out it was a fraction of a degree off.
I have a different Makita drop saw, squaring it up is described in the manual. It's actually quite simple to do. Doesn't your manual describe how to square yours?
@@blahhblaah74 the manual does explain it, and maybe it's just because it's a cheap Ryobi model, but it has these finicky set of screws you need to loosen, then adjust the saw, then tighten. And each time you tighten it, it pulls on the saw and changes the angle. Even when I managed to get it perfect, after locking it, just using the saw once was enough to throw it slightly out of whack again. Think I just need a better chop saw.
@@doze3705 you will be squaring up a ryobi saw for the rest of your life. Cheap saws are hard to square and even if you do.....it doesnt stay square for long. A good quality blade with help and not the thin ones. They tend to "walk" much more and give you diferent reselts every cut. They are fine for framing etc but not great for fine timber work.
@@positiveaspect5730 thanks, I kind of realized this myself last week. Spent an 2 hours loosening the screw, adjusting it, and then tightening it, only to find out the pressure needed to hold the saw tightly would actually throw it slightly out of whack at the same time. So I found myself needing to intentionally tilt it a half degree off, so it would square up when I tightened it. Got one or two relatively decent cuts and things immediately got iffy again. Going to just invest in a better saw at some point and stop wasting my time with this PoS. The squaring mechanism has to be the worst mechanical design I've ever experienced.
In regard to the dust extraction.... have you tried using a larger diameter and shorter hose between the Vac and Saw? Larger diameter and short hose (with the reducing adapters to Vac and Saw) suppose to increase air speed and air flow.
I’m looking at getting the hikoki 36v drop saw since I run hikoki gear now. Had an adapter so you can run it off mains power also….can you get hikoki to give you one to review before I buy one ?! 😂
@@ohasis8331 I made the switch from makita after I had some tools that didn’t last and horrible customer service. There are a lot of things I like about hikoki but some of there tools could use some modifications
I have been using a Ryobi 10" mitre saw, dust extraction is hot garbage but the price point couldnt be beat. I plan of getting something better once I am able to save up a little more cash.
If you like the saw, just invest in a really good saw blade, such as a Forrest. You' ll be surprised how much the blade improves the quality of the saw.
Fantastic review very fair and balanced 👏, hate the lads that are completely stuck on one make of tool. A mention of battery life would have been very useful 👍
Great review Scott. I will be getting my first Makita 40v Drop Mitre.. as a result of this balanced review. The dust capture I will fix on mine by replacing ALL the black ring-join hoses with smooth bore poly braided clear tubing (does not kink/elongate & stays full bore even in short radius)..the issue is CV losses in the factory hoses. Also I will replace the filter with a high flow without HEPA for outdoor at least 40um. This should dramatically improve air flow (Max out SCFM but no change in vac suction). The clear tube lets me see any deposits & blockages.
I have the 36v 10" as well. Fantastic saw. BUT. The laser... I wonder if a shadow light would be better, at least the laser you can turn on/off with a button and then it stays on. Then there's the fact that the bluetooth module is NOT an option. Either you order the saw that has the bluetooth module or you order the same exact saw that doesn't have the module but also doesn't have any way to add the module (???). I specifically wanted a 10" saw, and I also specifically wanted an X2 (LXT) saw (not interested in another battery system).
I just went out and bought the Makita 40v with a 216mm blade (there are 3 of them 216, 260, 305) based on this and other reviews. Got it into my workshop, set it up, charged the batteries and surprise! Over a 200mm wide cut it was 1mm out of square. Before you say anything I have been a carpenter-joiner for 45 years and I know how measure the angle of a cut accurately. So I drove 30mins back to the shop in Saturday, Sydney traffic and gave it back to them. I then checked the display model and another one that came out of the box (using my big, all steel engineers square) and surprise! They both had exactly the same error (3 of them all up), on the same side of the blade which suggests that it is an error in the factory set up. Frustrating because it caused me to waste my whole Saturday afternoon. I got the refund of AUD1245 and am back to square one (no pun intended) with my trusty old, but getting a bit long in the tooth mitre saw. I won't be getting another new drop saw again without checking the cut in the shop. This is a hassle because I will have to fit the blade in the shop before I can check it. It can be checked with a good set square without actually having to make a cut
I’ve had a few saws. The Kapex being the best (stolen) I’ve got the Milwaukee 190mm mitre saw at the moment. It’s a list of missed opportunities. It doesn’t have a shadow line as standard even though it has a led, no depth adjustment, and the thing that boils my piss the most is the barely 200mm cross cut. It feel like a toy! I’ve been running Milwaukee now for 3 years since my dewalt got nicked along with the kapex and it’s all over rated.
I hate the weight and size of my Bosch mitre saw but I wouldn’t give it away. I’ve built 2 planters and just finished a storage shed. It’s also a pain to clean every time you use it.
Mostly used makita and de walt saws, the only problem I had with de walt saw was the safety lock out on the handle, because I am left handed, it always operates when i grab the handle , you dont make a concious decision to unlock it, so may be a bit dangerous, otherwise great saw and simple track design so less to go wrong, sometimes makita track system needs to be adjusted back to tight because you get play in the sliding funtion.
I have 2 Makita drop saws, one is the same as in the video and I really like both of them. I don't think there's a perfect drop saw out there but these are great. Good review, cheers.
Hi Scott. You don’t mention the very slow, turn knob, mitre locking system. If you want to lock the saw off the detents the Dewalt and Milwaukee have a much quicker cam lock at the front.
Kapex is good, don't like height adjuster but it's a great rounder. I have a 25 year old DeWalt that still as accurate as the day I got it, and I'm a picture framer. But I use a Breveti double mitre saw mainly. Tell you what though, I still reckon the DeWalt will out live then all.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge of this saw. Very informative and interesting. For such an awesome saw your review made me realize that it's more of an issue of knowing what you want to do and the capacity of the saw. Anything else falls into preference in my humble opinion. Thanks again, God bless you 👍🏾
Dewalt has patent (I’ve heard) on automatically lit up LED behind the blade to cast a shadow so it’s probably to copy dewalt but not completely everything is my guess
I’ve got the big 36v saw and the extraction is crap on that too. It’s a heavy sucker but it’s a beast, mows through wet timer easy as and pretty accurate
I'm finish carpenter and strongly considering purchase of the 12" corded version of this saw, LS1219L. One complaint among early reviewers that would make that otherwise greatly appealing saw a no-go for me is the claim that long straight cuts tend to be a bit bowed. Have you experienced similar problem with dead straight cuts on this model?
Scott Brown - "Marques Brownlee" level of reviewing builders hardware
Spot on!
lol, that's not good. Fanboi wank off stuff. No legitimate non millennial tech person listens to MKB.
@@davenz000 couldn't have said it better myself, millennial fanboys heh
Probably a fair comparison, Mr. Scott brown is both critical and complimentary. As he says, he thinks of himself as a positive person
This channel is so useful for me as I work in designing power tools for a living, and on a cordless mitre saw at the moment as a matter of fact. That 216 makita looks awesome, it has all the best features of a mitre saw in my eyes, and of all the tools we have on hand for product research I'd say Makita build quality is one of the best.
Their 260mm 36V is a beast but man it weighs more than the sun, it's clear the 216 was designed to combat the portability issues of the bigger one.
Keep up the great videos man, hello from the UK.
It would be really nice if these machines split in two for transport. A quick lock at the mitre pivot would be nice. Make storage easier too.
@@Forexfox99 Interesting idea but it would impact pretty majorly on the accuracy of the product, the tolerance of parts all contribute to cut accuracy, and there's a lot of parts all stacked up that influence where and how the blade lands on the work piece.
We design our mitre saw to come in 3 components which reduces the pakcaging size by up to 40% and then assembled by the user, but this is a one time assembly, and even then we had to focus on key areas to make sure there is as little play in the saw head as possible. The slightest movement can have a big impact, particularly when making full capacity cross cuts.
And also over time of taking the saw apart and reassemlbing maybe on a regular basis, parts would wear faster and the tolerances would increase meaning over time the saw would become more inaccurate. There's also more chance for dust and debris to get into bearing surfaces on the die castings meaning rough movement or even jamming.
@@Forexfox99 that's a terrible idea, sorry. The MOST important thing about a mitre saw is that it cuts straight, repeatedly. Making it collapsible like that would really mess with the accuracy.
What is the cut capacity at 45 degree bevel? can it cut through a 2x4 at 45 bevel?
Are you willing to say what company you work for?
Great video! Marita is a great brand no question I my mind. I've owned a 10" electric LS1013 since 2002 and still running with original brushes and accuracy is spot on. I check it regularly for out of alignment and all I can say it's an amazing mitre saw, and I've used this baby every week practically since 2002 as a contractor and finishing Carpenter. That 40V cordless saw looks great, but for sure out of my price range. As for the dust collection, they need to get rid of that corrogated hose, way to many ribs to pull dust thru in abundance, try changing to a preformed light weight rubber hose and I'm sure the difference would be incredible. The ribs also reduce the air movement as it creates way to my friction. That's my thoughts. Great review though, keep up the good work. Andrew
I have one of these and it’s an absolute gem of a saw, only dislike is the dust extraction but I can live with that!
Is there any way to plug it in when you don't need the cordless functionality? Or is battery power the only option?
@@doze3705 Some tools have ac adapters to connect ur brushless tool. Tho not need that and can't remember which one have/had it
Battery is the only option, depends on what you doing but I get a days cutting out of the battery
With something like this, batteries last a really long time and take no time - around an hour - to charge up. Be cool to have a cord for sure, but for something like this, it is definitely not needed
That feedback about dust extraction is pure gold for Makita. Hope they notice 👍
Dust extraction is the Achilles heel for Makita generally. Unlike Festool, they still haven’t figured out the value of standardizing on dust ports for their tools. You constantly need to McGiver connections. Which, considering the solid quality of their tools, is a bizarre point of failure.
I just bought this exact saw and started up with the 40V system. Scott's reviews had a big impact on my decision. Thanx and hello from the other side of the globe in Canada. 😊😊
I fixed this dust extraction issue on a similar makita saw by removing their pipe and using a different Y piece with a less tight bend.
Could you share which Y piece you used. Perhaps a link?
Great review. Thanks.
I'm a mostly Makita guy, and have been eyeing the 40v Compound Miter by Makita.
Haven't justified my "need" against the price yet. The points you covered here really help.
Regarding the undersized vacuum tube... they took notes from refrigerator manufacturers, who have been undersizing their condensate drains ever since they started making frost free 'fridges.
I purchased my 40v Chopsaw on the strength of your first video and I absolutely love it..
I fit custom bespoke bedrooms and use it for all of the mitres with no complaints whatsoever.
My extraction is the Bluetooth Festool CTM MIDI and it’s great, I don’t get clogs? Only issue is the Bluetooth is not compatible, so I just use the Bluetooth button on my vacuum hose.
I don’t think it’s expensive either, for the convenience it’s worth every penny and the batteries last for ages, I only need to change them once a week and they literally charge in about 15 minutes.
This is a truly great piece of kit and I thank you for your videos.
What is the cut capacity at 45 degree bevel? can it cut through a 2x4 at 45 bevel?
I’ve noticed with my makita tools that have the light switch on them, if you hold that button down for 5-10 seconds, it will turn the light on for continuous use until you disconnect the battery or you hold the switch for another 5-10 seconds for the light to turn off
Thanks for actually showing it cutting wood. People think opening the box of cardboard is a review.
A mitersaw/dropsaw is a great tool to have. But honestly I think sometimes it’s not worth the hassle of setting it up only to make one or two cuts, so usually I’ll make the cuts with a circular saw unless I need to make a ton of cuts
Don't you have a hook up with 3d printing?
The reason the bottom gets clogged is because it is the secondary suction point. Not only that but it is also trying to lift dust up through a difficult path.
The way to fix it would be to remake the top tool connection piece into a single exit. Fit a Y connector half way between the top and bottom tool connections. The vacuum then plugs in at the Y. Equal airflow and suction at top and bottom. Yes air flow and suction are separate things on a vacuum that need to be balanced.
This makes sense, but I mean.. you shouldn't need access to a 3D printer in order to fix your drop saw's dust extraction, it should just be viable in the first place
@@GeorgeBoltz of course! But no product is perfect from the box for every user. But with today's modern, accessible and cheap paths to customising. Why wouldn't just fix it. Better than replacing it each time they update. You'd go broke.
PS. I know he didn't pay for it and I know he probably won't pay for the update. My comment was more to make the average punter aware you have options to fix small niggles.
I got that saw AND a 3D printer. You you know where I can find the print files? I don't do 3D design.
Always interesting to see y'all in sweaters and hoodies when we're sweating our nads off. Greetings from sunny Georgia, US.
TOO sunny Georgia US.
Hot as hell down here right now.
We’ve been sweating out here in cali too
Same here for us Southern hemisphere dwellers towards you, but consider this - while everyone's singing Christmas songs about a winter wonderland and a white Christmas, our standard is t shirt, shorts and a BBQ. Santa has a fluffy suit in 35 *c! (95 f).
Yep, coastal GA joining in. At least I'm getting some sea breeze...while keeping an eye on that pesky tropical storm building up.
No kidding. Wore a harness for three weeks (12 hour shifts) while working above leaking boilers south of Atlanta. Impossible not to get swamp-ass in those conditions.
Scott Iam a Banker but your videos are so honest that when I retire I will go back and watch them all. Tools reviews awesome. Please keep it honest.
The light should have IR switch, detecting a person at the saw
Let's hope Makita and others listen to feedback of professionals like yourself to find a solution to ideal dust extraction.
If they are smart they do. Makita makes tools for the professional user and they definitely do listen. I just bought their cordless track saw. Great saw but man these cordless tools are getting expensive. Still cheaper then the green ones from Germany though.
My only real complaint with Makita is that each of my (corded) tools; router, track saw, drop saw has a different size of dust port!
I feel you bro! Cordless as well by the way. Their vacuum matches a Festool tracksaw but not their own angle grinder dust shroud among other things. Drives me nuts!
Check out Central Technology Systems. They have a range of different sized push on adaptors with a bayonet on the other end which pairs with a fitting on the vacuum hose. I've spent 35 years messing around with different pipes, bits of rubber and tape and usually given up. This system is fantastic.....adaptors on everything, and don't forget the vacuum floor sweeper, and it's a 2 second change over. Best money I've spent to save hassle!
@@richardjames3121 Thanks for the recommendation.
@@richardjames3121 have now tried this system. It is very good but doesn’t fit either the Makita palm router or mitre saw dust ports! If the couplers were made of a slightly more flexible material with a couple of mm of stretch it would be ideal.
@@marcstirrup9262 I agree a bit of stretch would be good sometimes. Smallest one fits my Makita 18v palm router. On the chop saw two circles of blue tape does it and you can still squeeze the portable bag on. Maybe a hair dryer on it and stretch while it's warm, it may hold a new shape!
I'm from NJ USA, . Ive been in the trades for 40 years. I bought the Kapex for $1445.00 ( Ridiculous), returned it and bought the Bosch 10" Axial glide saw, best Mitre saw I've ever owned, accurate, space saving zero clearance behind the saw. also fantastic motor, I highly recommend it.
12” blade needed to cut 4 by 4s (3.5x3.5), 2x4s on edge, and wide baseboard. Sticking with my basic 12” dewalt corded, considering a power station (~$450 US) if I were to ever need to go “cordless”. Work outside so dust collection is not a big issue. Thanks for the video.
10 inch will cut that! DeWalt dw717. DeWalt make the best drop saws in my opinion for.the price 👍
This is the 8.5" saw. They haven't released the 10" or 12" yet which will have plenty of height to do just that. I have the older 10" LXT 36v and I haven't touched my old 12" dewalt in a couple of years now. Don't get me wrong, nothing but love for that old dewalt but I just haven't found anything the LXT won't do that the dewalt would other than dragging a cord.
Какая модель подставки-верстака Makita используется с пилой?
Hello Scott, if you talk to Makita, tell them we need a 40v power plane. Thank you for the videos!
Thanks to your Video I bought one of these today. Complete with its matching stand. Very impressed so far. Thanks for taking the time to make your videos.
Instead of using a pencil to unclog can you just disconnect the vacuum hose and vacuum out the clogged nozzle from where you were sticking in the pencil? Just a thought.. love ur vids mate they give me a lot of Info as I have just started a carpentry apprenticeship at the age of 35 lol keep it up mate. Cheers from Australia 🇦🇺
He probably watched a video from the constipated mathematician who worked it out with a pencil...
I don't have this saw but I have the corded similar one. As far as the dust port issue, I removed that big rubber funnel boot on the base and that spring thing on the saw blade guard port. I only have one hose that goes to the blade port. I am getting much better results.
I'm not aware that there is a corded similar one. I'd be all over it. Pray tell....
What ypu said about the vacuum button being a good thing because its safer with out the blade spinning.. is also the exact reason there is a light button. To eliminate spinning blades while also adjusting your timber to the line.
I found that removing the bottom rubber dust shroud and tube made the vacuum attached perform better.
Same. I even ground the aluminum hole bigger on the side to no avail.
Greetings from the UK, love the channel this is my first comment. I have 3 chops saws for different things. I have the milwaukee same as you because it's the lightest most compact double bevel mitre saw which I use for second fix carpentry. I have the bigger 36v makita for roofing and large section timber because it's got a large compound mitre cut. I also have the smallest makita chop saw which I use for battens and cls stud timber it's very handy on the van. Keep up the good work.
What model milwaukee you got pal?
It’s perfectly ok to have a favorite saw bro 😎 I’ve got one
Some saws just click with you. What's yours?
@@ScottBrownCarpentry I’m using the Mac Allistet: MMIS210C-B compound miter saw just now
Everyone needs a favorite saw bro. I'll bet yours is an Arlo. Made in the USA, spare parts available (like hips) and the price is right. "Ski Resort"
@@ScottBrownCarpentry Your point of the cut hight , Bosch mitre saws blade housing allows you to cut a bit higher at the back , they listened to their customers and also taking away a bit material from blade housing , that is not actually needed , saves them some money .
Also Bosch had the bevel angle adjustment lock on front of the tool few years ago .
It is amazing that most of tool innovations come from companies like Bosch and Makita that are not owned by some venture capital companies .
What is the cut capacity at 45 degree bevel? can it cut through a 2x4 at 45 bevel?
You keep finding new ways to help me defend saving up for the Kapex.
Best all round chop saw is the cordless DeWalt 305mm blade. It does everything that a carpenter needs but it’s a pain taking the beast in and out of the van every time.
I using dewalt dhs780t2 for 4 years, for me is the best saw at the moment, 305 mm blade with is allowing me to cut 300 mm deep and 100 mm high, I can use with 2 way of power, with battery or with power adapter, and as well it has two type of power adapter 110v (for UK sites) and 240v.
Great review. I had a Milwaukee m18fuel 12inch drop saw, up until a week ago when, for the second time in 6 months, it stopped working. Now they tell me that particular issue is a regular issue for the 12 inch and they basically have stopped selling the in New Zealand. My back up saw is the electric 12inch version of the saw reviewed here. Apart from the weight, it’s a great saw. The laser issue isn’t a big deal as it’s a simple case of getting used to the line. I use macrocarpa sleepers often, hot knife through butter! But man does it clog up!! My saw came with no dust bag, which I thought was ridiculous but then I realised it doesn’t really needs a bag, because it’s just going to block anyway…I do have a vac that I put on the saw but it still blocks a fair bit.
If Makita listen to you the newer model might fix the depth of cut issue, a taller fence that should slide not remove for bevels and sort out that light thing.
Scott, I'm a big Makita fan and have lots of battery-operated tools so I know these batteries are quite expensive so I'm sure folk would want to know how many hours cutting you as a job site user, usually get from one fully charged battery.
I'm just back from ordering the corded (LS1019) from my local Bunnings and without a Bunnings card I had to pay full price up front.
My newy is going on a purpose built table/mitre saw/router workbench. The old Ryobi due to its configuration would take up way too much real estate.
Oh, Thanks for the video. I enjoyed watching it in full.
Oh my word! That squeak every time you move the blade down! How do love with that? It sounds worse than my knees!
I have a Makita 5" random orbit sander. I mention this because I was surprised how small the dust collection port was on the sander. I 3D printed adapters to fit up to my 1 1/4in hoses. The reduction in size of the port was quite silly, really. Perhaps there's an upgrade path in the future. I'm betting tooth count, and moisture may play role as well. You have an awesome channel. Thank you!
I'm glad you did this follow up review. I'm strongly considering buying this saw. I'm glad for your "likes" about the saw. And some of your "dislikes" I don't think would bother me at all. The one dislike I'm in board with is the price. But, being a Makita guy I should be used to it by now.
Again, thanks for taking the time.
Happy to help Mark 👍
Scott Brown Carpentry, you said:" the dust collection its not OK" , but actually is very good, if you look at the small label(sticked on the machine) I hope you'll see why your dust collection it's not OK.
Scott, I have owned Makita saws in the past and wanted another cordless miter saw. I was thinking Milwaukee since I own a lot of their tools, but to many complaints. After watching your video I decided on this saw you have. Makita makes fine tools and this one is light weight , cordless, and great for small jobs. I enjoy your videos, keep them coming. Oh btw, I agreed with you on the handle, I don't like the horizontal handles.
I'm a makita guy for all my hand tools and dust extraction but went with the Bosch gcm12 for my go to miter saw and couldn't be happier. Only draw back is its weight but it rolls easy on the gravity rise stand
Great review Scott.
Your right about the dust extraction.. although I mainly cut MDF on 2nd fix carpentry and it’s sucks up 80% of the dust .
Softwoods however, clogs very quickly.
It’s a great saw though.. with a 260 mm blade version on the way …
I have had the single battery 18v compound mitre saw for over 2 years. Other than being a little gutless with a single battery, it is awesome as an everyday saw.
Hi Scott Iam sticking to my dewalt dw 708 . Had it for years . Dead heavy to carry about but it’s dead accurate and it’s a 12 inch blade
Great saw
@@ScottBrownCarpentry i wish i never got rid of mine really good dust extraction
Just used mine today and so far think its great! Love how compact and lightweight it is but the light button is a bit annoying!
I have agreat older 240v Hitachi (now Hikoki) 12 inch SCMS. It came with built in digital angle readouts to 1/100 of a degree and has the screw adjustable depth stop, high-ish split fences with flip out sections for when you tilt the saw blade out of vertical. The rail system is adjustable with a knob so either the saw and motor run back & forth on the fixed rails or the saw/motor are fixed to the rails and the rails stick out the back if there is room. But it looks like Hikoki only make (or import to Australia) 10" or smaller battery powered SCMS now.
My all rounder is my daily saw, a 16 or 17 year old Ryobi 10 inch corded saw, single rail, low fence, piss poor dust extraction, but still surprisingly accurate and powerful. But its taken a back seat recently as the guard no longer retracts when you push the saw down
Have recently bought this saw and personally think it is a great saw. I have to agree with you Scott, the dust extraction is poor. I also have the 1219L and again the dust extraction is poor. Constantly clogging on both saws so if you are reading this Makita do something about it please
What is the cut capacity at 45 degree bevel? can it cut through a 2x4 at 45 bevel?
Thanks for the review Scott, very timely - I actually went to go an look at this saw yesterday but the local stores didn't have any in stock. I wish the vendors would come up with a standard for the bluetooth feature so we can mix and match!
FYI: Metabo (in Europe, Hitachi/Hikoki in the East) has a module that detects the vibration from a power tool and the receiver activates the vacuum. The sender module is like a ring that you can mount on the “sucking end” of the hose. Perhaps it’ll solve your issue until the different manufacturers get their sh*t together :)
@@che_ any links - my google foo is letting me down, couldn't find anything
When you upload. Genuinely makes me happy
Currently using the big makita chop saw 305mm. Far too big and heavy so would love something smaller.
Love the videos keep them coming 👍🏻
With you on the pistol grip, bro.
When companies started releasing the horizontal grips years ago, I could believe it.
Horizontal grip is soooo uncomforatble.
pistol grip for the win
A comprehensive review. Nice.
I'm with you on D-handles. I have a cheap 20yr old 255mm GMC drop (not slide) and a similar aged 305mm Bosch Drop and slide, both with D handles. I can use these with either hand. I bought Dewalt 255mm Drops for school which have the sideways handle and I keep having to stop students from crossing over their arms because they are uncomfortable swapping trigger hands
I've got the makita 305mm 40v and i totally agree with the dust extraction however its not the size of the tube that's the problem it's actually the hole where it does a 90deg turn is too small before it enters the tube, mine always blocks up and its always this point where it chokes up, could be fixed with a dremel though...
I probably won’t buy a drop saw for years but I love hearing your thoughts on them. Always gotta watch the next exciting episode, no matter the topic!
Love the videos big fan, tool prices in New Zealand are very expensive. I live the uk and makita is really good value here. What’s the best all round drop saw I can’t have 4 different ones!!!
Love the saw had it since it came out in the uk, yea it is expensive but it’s the best mitre saw out on the market for sure! U did mention the twin mitre not a lot of small battery saws have that
I'd have to agree.this is by far the best dropsaw I've used.A lot of smaller dropsaws only bevel one way also.This goes left or right also.
I had a 260mm 36v heavy and after a few months was cutting out of square on the bevel by over 2mm. I heard other people had the same issue. Sold it. Thinking about getting the 260mm 40v or 216mm 40v 🤔
I’d say the 10” Makita has the best dust extraction of any saw I’ve used and doesn’t clog. The difference might be that the vac attaches to the BOTTOM part of the saw’s dust extraction, not at the top like the 40v. I wonder if it can be switched on the 40v?
Interesting, I'll try it out!
I have this saw and love it.
The dust extraction is the worse part
And I got use to not using the light. With the 5.0amp battery last ages
what we have learned today: scott does not like to reach around to the back.
Any more than he has to...
Ooh err
+ 10 points
Why did they take that feature off. They had it on the 36v and was one of the main reasons for me getting it. That and the big base. I'll be skipping the 40v mitersaw.
@@cmmartti the bevel adjustment was on the rail on the front of the saw
The big dls111 36v 260mm dust extraction is the same. Anything besides fixout timber, it will block up easy. Especially wet unseasoned timber.
I have a dewalt flexvolt. the user ability of the saw is the best in the industry IMO.
but I don't think the flexvolt can hold up to every day use I think its more of a specialty saw for special occasions. any way I love makita tools but not there miter saws. great video thanks for your time.
Great video Scott, have the same setup and same findings, particularly around dust extraction and how you don't notice it immediately.
One other minor issue is the current lack of 40v dust extractors. It means I'm working on 2x18 and 40v for this and my tracksaw. First world problem and the extractor usually lasts all day but one battery type for all would be great.
Another minor issue is with the Makita mitre saw stand. Not sure if I have a bad unit but the levelling foot has already gone and I find the stop has a lot of give in it, you have to set it with your workpiece rammed into it as hard as possible for consistent results.
Above may seem negative but it's a great setup overall and I won't be going back corded.
What is the cut capacity at 45 degree bevel? can it cut through a 2x4 at 45 bevel?
@@colekidd2 Yes, can do up to 45 on a 2x4 (45mm). Could go through more.
You should have a look at the new Festool cordless saw the Kapex KSC60. Great saw and very well thought out!
I love my DeWalt 20V 7.75” compact Miter saw paired with my much larger 120V flex volt 12” miter saw. Got both of them with batteries for under $1,000 USD. I love that I can use my flex volt one with a power adapter and run it corded if need be. I wish DeWalt would make a power adapter for their 20V system
I've found with the 36v makita that the clogging dust port has to do with low air flow from a vacuum. I have a corded bosch hepa vac...never clogs. But with a lower cfm cordless vac...clogs frequently.
Makes sense, I might try the festool vac to see if it makes a difference.
I’ve been using it with my festool ct36 vac for about a month now, and it clogs up relentlessly still. The little chute at the bottom is just too small, while also having a 90 angle to go out into the tube. And that small tube doesn’t help either I’m sure. That is my only complaint though, fantastic saw otherwise.
hello Scott first time visitor and new subscriber thanks for the review, my local tool shop has these on sale I will go buy one today. Great video
I'm a framer and I've got the 12" DeWalt corded one. Don't use one much framing, mostly skill saws. But it's great if you need to cut hundreds of 2x the same length.
It'll do 3 2x6s at once or 2x4s on edge so you can cut like 6 I think
*edit* framer not farmer lol
My 12” dewalt drop saw has been the biggest piece of shit, won’t lock on mitre, won’t cute straight. Wish I just bought a festool.
@@MaCcAM40a3 ya it won't be as good for finishing stuff as the festool but for rough framing it does the job.
Then again Spencer Lewis swears by the dewalts. He's a full time trim carpenter and he says he's burnt out a few festools already.
Check his channel out, he's got some videos on the topic. Insider carpentry
@@mikegilberg8776 yeah right thats interesting. I'll have a watch. It's just frustrating spending $1600AUD for what should be a top of the line drop saw and it never working properly.
I've heard a few stories of motors dying pretty quickly too.
@@MaCcAM40a3 ya man check him out he's got a video on how to calibrate your saw too for finish carpentry so they cut bang on every time
I don't think all of them are good from the factory, you need to check them when you get them and then every once and a while if they start acting up
@@MaCcAM40a3 oh and by the way, you say 1600 for the DeWalt or the festool?
Because I think I payed around $700 - 800 CAD for mine from Costco about 8 years ago..
I know prices are way out of whack in aus/nz.. I lived and worked in nz for a year.. But still.. Seems steep
Love my 10" Milwaukee saw, most accurate saw out of the box I've used.
Only drawback is it's a heavy beast, probably should have bought the 8" version, not often I need to cut anything particularly deep (cabinetmaker)
Never going back to corded saw tho!
I ended up getting the updated 10in version of this in the US. Has all the features and updated with the shadow line vs the 36v. Considering going to this one though. The 10 in version is over 60lbs and even on a saw stand, its a bit difficult to maneuver around. Seems like they fixed the dust collection issue a bit on the 10 in, as the dust port at the bottom doesnt clog. However, the dust extraction still sucks.
Scott, could you cover the correct procedure for squaring up a drop saw?
No one has ever shown me, the “right” way & I feel like I could be doing a better job, not to mention faster at it as well.
Thanking you in advance.
Yeah I've had a hard time finding details on this as well. Only problem is that it's really specific to each saw. But I can't even count the number of times I spent time getting everything set, thinking I was good, making a cut only to find out it was a fraction of a degree off.
I have a different Makita drop saw, squaring it up is described in the manual. It's actually quite simple to do.
Doesn't your manual describe how to square yours?
@@blahhblaah74 the manual does explain it, and maybe it's just because it's a cheap Ryobi model, but it has these finicky set of screws you need to loosen, then adjust the saw, then tighten. And each time you tighten it, it pulls on the saw and changes the angle. Even when I managed to get it perfect, after locking it, just using the saw once was enough to throw it slightly out of whack again. Think I just need a better chop saw.
@@doze3705 you will be squaring up a ryobi saw for the rest of your life.
Cheap saws are hard to square and even if you do.....it doesnt stay square for long. A good quality blade with help and not the thin ones. They tend to "walk" much more and give you diferent reselts every cut.
They are fine for framing etc but not great for fine timber work.
@@positiveaspect5730 thanks, I kind of realized this myself last week. Spent an 2 hours loosening the screw, adjusting it, and then tightening it, only to find out the pressure needed to hold the saw tightly would actually throw it slightly out of whack at the same time. So I found myself needing to intentionally tilt it a half degree off, so it would square up when I tightened it. Got one or two relatively decent cuts and things immediately got iffy again. Going to just invest in a better saw at some point and stop wasting my time with this PoS. The squaring mechanism has to be the worst mechanical design I've ever experienced.
Just bought this cause of your video. Makita is sponsoring the right person
In regard to the dust extraction.... have you tried using a larger diameter and shorter hose between the Vac and Saw? Larger diameter and short hose (with the reducing adapters to Vac and Saw) suppose to increase air speed and air flow.
I’m looking at getting the hikoki 36v drop saw since I run hikoki gear now. Had an adapter so you can run it off mains power also….can you get hikoki to give you one to review before I buy one ?! 😂
I ran (and still do) Makita for years but giving the swich to Hikoki serious consideration.
Go to store and have a play they are have really good functionality. Dust needs help
@@ohasis8331 I made the switch from makita after I had some tools that didn’t last and horrible customer service. There are a lot of things I like about hikoki but some of there tools could use some modifications
@@jonnyb4322 Yeah, Makita seemed to go to crap when they switched manufacturing plants from Mexico to chna.
Greetings from the Brazil. This is my first time here. I love Makita. Great review amd channel.
I have been using a Ryobi 10" mitre saw, dust extraction is hot garbage but the price point couldnt be beat. I plan of getting something better once I am able to save up a little more cash.
If you like the saw, just invest in a really good saw blade, such as a Forrest. You' ll be surprised how much the blade improves the quality of the saw.
@@olafbigandglad I have several blades depending what I'm doing haha got cheap ones to expensive ones
@@olafbigandglad Does the blade help for dust extraction?
It would be interesting to see if you can get a larger diameter smooth walled flexible pipe to connect the dust extraction.
Still stuck with the shitty little port though.
Congrats on 281K Subs!
Fantastic review very fair and balanced 👏, hate the lads that are completely stuck on one make of tool.
A mention of battery life would have been very useful 👍
Sorry to hear about the lockdown. Keep your head up and the videos coming
no lockdown in Nz......you mean oz ?
Great review Scott. I will be getting my first Makita 40v Drop Mitre.. as a result of this balanced review.
The dust capture I will fix on mine by replacing ALL the black ring-join hoses with smooth bore poly braided clear tubing (does not kink/elongate & stays full bore even in short radius)..the issue is CV losses in the factory hoses. Also I will replace the filter with a high flow without HEPA for outdoor at least 40um. This should dramatically improve air flow (Max out SCFM but no change in vac suction). The clear tube lets me see any deposits & blockages.
What is the cut capacity at 45 degree bevel? can it cut through a 2x4 at 45 bevel?
I just got the space man, can he hang a door t shirt for my birthday. Love it. Cheers Scott. Peace.
I have the 36v 10” and love everything about apart from the weight.
I have the 36v 10" as well. Fantastic saw. BUT. The laser... I wonder if a shadow light would be better, at least the laser you can turn on/off with a button and then it stays on. Then there's the fact that the bluetooth module is NOT an option. Either you order the saw that has the bluetooth module or you order the same exact saw that doesn't have the module but also doesn't have any way to add the module (???). I specifically wanted a 10" saw, and I also specifically wanted an X2 (LXT) saw (not interested in another battery system).
After a year , the weight starts to become Normal lol
I just went out and bought the Makita 40v with a 216mm blade (there are 3 of them 216, 260, 305) based on this and other reviews. Got it into my workshop, set it up, charged the batteries and surprise! Over a 200mm wide cut it was 1mm out of square. Before you say anything I have been a carpenter-joiner for 45 years and I know how measure the angle of a cut accurately.
So I drove 30mins back to the shop in Saturday, Sydney traffic and gave it back to them. I then checked the display model and another one that came out of the box (using my big, all steel engineers square) and surprise! They both had exactly the same error (3 of them all up), on the same side of the blade which suggests that it is an error in the factory set up.
Frustrating because it caused me to waste my whole Saturday afternoon. I got the refund of AUD1245 and am back to square one (no pun intended) with my trusty old, but getting a bit long in the tooth mitre saw.
I won't be getting another new drop saw again without checking the cut in the shop. This is a hassle because I will have to fit the blade in the shop before I can check it.
It can be checked with a good set square without actually having to make a cut
For a veteran chippie of 45 years, I'd have thought it would take you about half a second to spot how easy it is to adjust...
Awesome review mate. I’m thinking of waiting to for the bigger dropsaw. And can’t wait for the 40v track saw
Ive been waiting so long for this to come to the usa. I hope they come out whith a corded ver
I’ve had a few saws. The Kapex being the best (stolen) I’ve got the Milwaukee 190mm mitre saw at the moment. It’s a list of missed opportunities. It doesn’t have a shadow line as standard even though it has a led, no depth adjustment, and the thing that boils my piss the most is the barely 200mm cross cut. It feel like a toy! I’ve been running Milwaukee now for 3 years since my dewalt got nicked along with the kapex and it’s all over rated.
I hate the weight and size of my Bosch mitre saw but I wouldn’t give it away. I’ve built 2 planters and just finished a storage shed. It’s also a pain to clean every time you use it.
Mostly used makita and de walt saws, the only problem I had with de walt saw was the safety lock out on the handle, because I am left handed, it always operates when i grab the handle , you dont make a concious decision to unlock it, so may be a bit dangerous, otherwise great saw and simple track design so less to go wrong, sometimes makita track system needs to be adjusted back to tight because you get play in the sliding funtion.
Mate we just got the same one and really excited to get it into action
I have 2 Makita drop saws, one is the same as in the video and I really like both of them.
I don't think there's a perfect drop saw out there but these are great.
Good review, cheers.
What is the cut capacity at 45 degree bevel? can it cut through a 2x4 at 45 bevel?
The perfect saw was the makita ls1012 mate
Still got mine from 15 years ago an absolute weapon and still as accurate as out the box
Scotty bro should do a video on why you prefer makita over other brand like Milwaukee dewalt etc
Hi Scott. You don’t mention the very slow, turn knob, mitre locking system. If you want to lock the saw off the detents the Dewalt and Milwaukee have a much quicker cam lock at the front.
Kapex is good, don't like height adjuster but it's a great rounder.
I have a 25 year old DeWalt that still as accurate as the day I got it, and I'm a picture framer.
But I use a Breveti double mitre saw mainly. Tell you what though, I still reckon the DeWalt will out live then all.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge of this saw. Very informative and interesting. For such an awesome saw your review made me realize that it's more of an issue of knowing what you want to do and the capacity of the saw. Anything else falls into preference in my humble opinion.
Thanks again, God bless you 👍🏾
Leaving your dietyaside, you comment on use vs features is spot on. Well said.
Dewalt has patent (I’ve heard) on automatically lit up LED behind the blade to cast a shadow so it’s probably to copy dewalt but not completely everything is my guess
My milwaukee 10" has the automatic led plus a manual button for lining up the cut
I liked the new graphics/texts. Very professional looking :)
I’ve got the big 36v saw and the extraction is crap on that too. It’s a heavy sucker but it’s a beast, mows through wet timer easy as and pretty accurate
Nice review, I like the good and the bad. Provides a great overview!
I'm finish carpenter and strongly considering purchase of the 12" corded version of this saw, LS1219L. One complaint among early reviewers that would make that otherwise greatly appealing saw a no-go for me is the claim that long straight cuts tend to be a bit bowed. Have you experienced similar problem with dead straight cuts on this model?
My Ls1018 does this... Mainly on mitres. And no matter what I do, it never cuts perfectly square.