"It's her fault for not saying no !" Damn and I thought the "How can I get sex if I have to get consent' from the Duck character story was the biggest redflag-
@leguan278 meaning the child can't know they're being groomed? I agree. Probably one of the few good things about how we use the internet nowadays is spreading the tactics people like this use against their victims so that potential victims know what to look for and how to either avoid these scenarios or find a way out of them through things like "angel shots"
@jasonrustmann7535 there are plenty of stories where I say to myself "no, there's no way someone can be that stupid." Yet I am consistently both amazed and disappointed about how stupid someone can be. A story like this may be unlikely, but not impossible
Oh hey, that first story was mine! Wasn't expecting to see my story covered on this channel lol. The people on reddit have been very lovely and have invited me to play in an all-girl environment to help me get into DnD c: Sarah was the only one in her family who stuck up for me in that scenario. Everyone else kept asking why I didn't just say no or made excuses for him (think "oh, that's just how he is. He's harmless really!" type of excuses). They even tried to get me to go to a family dinner in celebration of Sarah's birthday even though Tom would be there as well, then called me selfish and a bad friend when I refused to go. Because of all this, I don't really hang around Sarah's family much anymore. All that put a huge strain on Sarah's relationship with the rest of her family. I felt really bad after finding out the day out with Tom was basically the catalyst for Sarah distancing herself from her family, but she insists that I did absolutely nothing wrong. She said she'd rather have a friend in me than a family of victim-blamers and enablers. I really can't stress enough how much of an awesome friend she is. Tom went on to have a girlfriend who was the same age as Sarah and myself. Sarah was super weirded out by it and only barely tolerates talking to him now. She told me that the only reason she hasn't gone no contact with him is because he gives her money sometimes lol
@Mia-Tilapia Depending on how recent this was, Sarah might be wise to inform her cousins and younger relatives about this if the rest of the family isn't looking out for them. Then they can buddy up and look out for each other if he's sniffing around them or their friends. Sorry you both had to go through that. I'm glad you're back into dnd in a healthy way and I hope Sarah is doing well too.
I usually don't believe these stories on these subreddits (most of the stuff doge covers is demonstrably fake), but I am absolutely convinced that this is something that happened to you. I wish you all the best going forward. How can an adult with a daughter your age use the "she didn't say no" bs excuse? Would that have been fine if it were your father creeping on Sarah? Such a ridiculous man and a stain on the dnd community.
@@ShepardCommanderoh it’s you again. They guy that thinks every story is fake because everyone doesn’t play dnd and communicate exactly like you and your group
Parents, normalize teaching your kids to say no to adults. And make sure they always have funds to call an Uber. The girl in the first story should have had the tools she needed to run as soon as the red flags started showing. Then again, that grooming dickhead probably knew she didn't. Gross.
@CrudzMcKenzie Even before Uber (and cell phones; I'm old) my mom would make sure I had a 20 in my purse for emergencies, which was enough to take a cab back to our place from anywhere back then, *sigh*. I spent it on non emergencies all the time because I was a young dumb head but I was sure glad I always had that 20 when I really needed it.
As soon as I heard creeper dad say she was gonna invite OP's friend, I immediately knew he wasn't gonna bring her along. I called it, and I'm so disappointed it went the way I predicted. This dad is 100 percent evil. Sure, you can make some excuse for some people who are creepy as them being socially awkward, but this dad knows exactly what he's doing, and he makes me want to invest in a wood mulching service
“No Show”: Scheduling a session on two of the players’ toddler’s birthday, and then making excuses for why it’s okay for said parents to ditch their toddler’s birthday party to throw dice, is a massive red flag on OP. What kind of DM does that? Birthdays only come once a year. I don’t know how often this table plays sessions, but I’m going to go out on a limb and assume it’s more often than once a year. And, a 2 year old is old enough to start noticing things like mommy and daddy not being there for their birthday. And “some of us are in a bad mental health space and could use a session”? Sorry, but DND is not your therapy. It’s not the table’s job to handle whatever problems we have going on in our heads and our lives, or to be responsible for our happiness. If this DM is so obsessive over the game that they’re happy to ruin a child’s birthday to play make-believe, I don’t blame Warlock for thinking an apology wouldn’t help. Don’t get me wrong, he should still apologize. And then he should leave to find a more mentally stable and hinged table. EDIT: Looking deeper into the thread that story comes from, yeah, OP is the horror story. They admitted it’s completely out of character for Warlock to do this, and instead of being concerned about this sudden change of character and finding some kind of solution, they’re fuming and saying edgelord crap like “these transgressions will not go unanswered” on Reddit. I guess their concern for their players’ mental health goes out the window the moment it negatively impacts them. It turns out Warlock had to take his car to the shop, but forgot his phone, so he couldn’t call an Uber or tell anyone what was going on. Still something he should apologize for, but I can’t blame him for ghosting OP for jumping down his throat. A month ago OP was on Reddit singing their players’ praise, including praising Warlock, but one bad day is enough to go completely scorched earth? OP doesn’t need to run a DND table, they need a therapist and a prescription.
I’m 45. My dad was in the Air Force when I was born (an “enlist as an officer inthe AF (his college required 2 years ROTC for men, coin flip AF or Army, if you did all 4 years said enlistment was possible) or have fun in the jungle” deal some years before). To. This. Day he mentions being called to the base during my first 2 birthday parties. Especially as it was “make work for my officers to look good for visiting brass” type things not “the nuclear warhead is about to meltdown”. Because he adored me, his best friend (they were roommates, married sisters), the couple who barely met the daughter’s bf and said “you need feeding, come to Sunday dinner, bring your roommate” and the entire clan this dropped him in. The first things that come to mind for childhood birthdays are Dad’s regret and that at my 3rd I teased Grandma into giving me a bite of her salad and the family watched me devour my first plate. None of which I actively remember obviously!
I don't think I was sentient enough at that age to remember people, or even understand the concept of a birthday, but I distinctly remember a birthday cake with trucks on it for my 1st or 2nd birthday, and a SpongeBob cake for my 2nd or 3rd birthday. And I do realize people mature and form memories at different rates, I'm not defending OP I just spouted this for no reason
D&D is not therapy. Get a therapist. EDIT: wrote this before listening, and based on personal experience, but comment stands, even if not exactly what happened in story.
TBF he put up a poll to see who would be coming/late/absent. And those two fully grown adults decided to sign up as on time and ditch their kid's birthday. I'd say that's more of a commentary on their parenting vs his DMing. They could have just said absent/late
The "no show" story is exactly why it's a really bad idea to create sessions that require a player to be there. You're not only wasting your time but everyone else's time if said player doesn't show up. And those parents really suck. I wouldn't leave my children's parties for a game.
Why is it that the creeps always go after girls who are utterly unavailable? Minors, lesbians, people in obviously committed relationships.....thankfully that way of thinking is completely alien to me.
Minors supposedly wouldn't know better, they might not know their preying on lesbians, or claim "they just haven't been with a real man" while deluding themselves into thinking they qualify.
@@AvatAR42420 Looks like my previous comment vanished. Creeps are probably ignorant or in denial about their targets availability. Maybe deluded into thinking any woman should be happier with them.
@@AvatAR42420 not all creeps do this. The other type overlaps in goings after minors, but is looking for someone who can be brought under their authority because of something like depression/anxiety, who is (rightfully) escaping a bad family situation with no image of a healthy partnership to play on, who they can arrange to owe them either money (see Oz escaping Illuminatii) or favors (if in “Pride and Prejudice” Darcy held “I saved your teenage sister from a ruin that would have ricocheted to socially ruin all of you” over them). Lesbians and people with good partners aren’t the best to snare, unless the local community’s anti LGBTQAI+ thing is what the predator if offering an escape from
Sarah's dad was not "a creep". That was a predator. An active predator. The story, OP and even our beloved dodge are playing the seriousness of what has happened to that child, now young adult, massively down. The police should've been notified immediately. OPs dad shouldve reacted much more harsly immediately. Cps should've been called. Predators usually don't stop even towards their own children if given the chance. This guy got away with something before for sure. He was way too assured in his acting. Not a creep. A predator. A type of P-file. She was a kid, no way could she have known or seen this for what it was immediately. But in that car ride, she realised for the first time the danger she was truly in...
18:24 the DM in the no show story did a poor job explaining what happened, importantly never included why the warlock was late in the post, though did mention it in comments. She never happened to put it into any of her multiple edits. Why was warlock late? Apparently he needed to get his car fixed so had planned to drop it off then get an uber back home. After he dropped off the car he noticed he had forgotten his phone, couldn't call an uber and had no choice but to make a two hour walk back to his house. He was late because he was walking home and couldn't call because he didn't have his phone, which is why he had to walk home. From many of the DM's comments I get the impression that warlock didn't feel like apologising would help less out of disrespect and more out of experience with DM. They have a pretty rough friendship which includes her pointing out a lot of his shortcomings. We're always only getting one side of the story with these, but I feel like there's another version to hear.
Creep dad story: He was grooming. Yhe only illegal thing he actually did was the alcohol to an under age person. Groomed her by trying to get himself in her good hraces and by trying to make her owe him. Groomed his friends by making it normal hat the OP was with him. Groomed the environment by making reasons for them to be alone. Groomed himself by making excuses why it wasn't his fault. I play dnd with sex offenders. He has commited a worse crime or is seeking the opportunity to do it.
@forgottenvalues3293 He was trying to get her drunk so her defenses would be down and she would be easier to take advantage of. He also could have been trying to drug her. It's part of the grooming because he's spent a lot of time working to make her trust him, and the alcohol is the culmination of his work. It's the bridge between thought and action for a lot of abusers. He was hoping she'd trust him enough to get drunk so he could make his move.
There are four aspects of grooming. Victim, others, self, and environment. If you know what to look for you can see the dangers. This man is practiced, he had a moment of self reflection and chose not to be forceful. That moment was when he took her home when asked but his thought process was in the comment he made on the drive home.
@@siobhanroberts2329 I'm definitely thinking he was creep because he acted weird when confronted. But I came off to be me a lonely man you what to get with a young college student
Not to blame the victim AT ALL... it's curious that the first OP never talked to her best friend until this happened TWICE. Heck, I find it weird that she never confirmed that the BF was going to the first session before anything even happened. Not because she'd have been suspicious, but because she was excited. Again, none of this excuses the creepy dad. It's just weird.
@ByrdieFae When it's your friend's dad there can be the assumption that it was already worked out with your friend beforehand, plus there's the parent power dynamic.
@@siobhanroberts2329 Like I said, it wouldn't be due to suspicion. But just a "Hey, playing D&D with you is gonna be so cool! See you Saturday!" Something like that, a totally innocent thing a friend would text.
That first story was really messed up but I bet he was counting on her being too shy and embarrassed to say anything to the friend guess that backfired on him and good on Op to tell the friend
"Barely older than a minor" ffs just say barely an adult. This Twitter lingo of trying to infantilize adults to get out of any potential consequences needs to stop. This is awful even if you are an adult, you won't get witch hunted for saying the word adult.
@@alexandramusilova8148 Still feels like nitpicking word choice for OP explaining inexperienced when dealing with her best friend's father creeping on her.
Hey, that was me. For context, older than a minor in my country isn't an adult. You are legal at 16 but an adult at 18. I was barely older than 16 but not 18, which is why I couldn't drink alcohol in public. Sorry for the confusion!
@@Cosy-catto I see! I'm sorry then. I just assumed the drinking alcohol thing was the US drinking age of 21. That's even worse then wtf? Tom is even worse than I thought.
On one hand, I think early comments are dumb. On the other, I'll change my tune when I see that fresh upload. Really appreciate these 🙏 hope the channel grows fast. My #1 source of entertainment has been creepy guy rabbit holes these last couple of years
The last story: Dost thou love me? But thou must! Dost thou love me? But thou must! Dost thou love me? But thou must! Dost thou love me? But thou must!
I feel for OP, but forgetting things at home, is a real problem for some people. And a phone is nowadays one of those things people don't often drive without. Right up there with road flares, a first aid kit, and jumper cables. Giving Warlock a guilt trip over it made both of them in the wrong, IMO.
Last story: f AJ and DM. Just toss them to the kraken of the second story (along with Warlock from second story, if he doesn't appologize). Edit: dad from first story- the line about him taking her home because it's the right thing to do? Nah, kraken food too!
Was the character in the last story stupid for giving money away? I don’t think so. Okay, maybe not a great strategic move, but a kind one and the character was drunk so it is something a person might actually do.
If I were in the DM's position, I'd treat the act of charity as boosting personal relationship with the area. Granted I'd also tell his buddy that she just isn't into him, but that's just me. Tons of DnD decisions could be considered not great strategy but are done anyway, so being charitable isn't that big a deal.
At least the other players in the first story were nice and not just a whole pack of predators. Also why did she never ask sarah about her absences from these meet ups afterwards so sarah could tell her she was never invited or told about them, that would have immediately outed him as a creep. Like if she was my friend and she told me that, I would have shut that shit down so fast. He is like some divorced dad perving on younger people, I would be worried for his own daughter. Edit: At least she finally did talk to her best friend, like its crazy that it wasn't her first thought. Honestly it reminds me of my dad, he is dating someone my age (30s) when he is in his 50s, its less bad but still, I could have gone to school with her, and thats weird.
What would be an apropiate age gap relationship usually? Because they're times that you mentioned about the 30 and 50 and then other that are 21 and 30 or 29 and some people might have an issue and other not.
@@Arlesmon Well like I said "its less bad" because they are both well into adulthood but its still weird to date someone the same age as your child. Just think if it was someone I actually knew from school that would be extremely disturbing. I usually would say 3-5 years is pretty normal when it becomes 10+ it gets a bit strange.
@@gazblackheart4596Why age gaps have to be inherently something bad. In life not everything will be like in textbook and happiness and satisfaction in a relationship trumps age any day. Also everybody has the right to his sexual freedom under the confines of the law. People tend to look to the age gap and think this was the problem in this tale however the dad knew she was lesbian and decided to disrespect her sexual orientation (which I find way way more damning then the age). Touching her without consent, disregading his own daughter, trying to smuggle her out of the country, trying to make her drink alcohol. These kind of things are the real problem.
@@Gilsao157 which is why even though I said it made me uncomfortable to think about in my own case, I know its not like illegal or anything just weird, since dating someone your kids age IS weird.
Still felt like exploiting a loophole to take advantage of someone inexperienced. Plus that guy admitting to feeling "friendship" when she was 13 makes me doubt he wasn't interested in her youth.
According to the op, in her country you’re no longer considered a minor at age 16, so barely older than a minor but still not an adult in her country, would be about 17 or just turned 16
@Tony2-Dirty the way the story is told Sarah was told soon after, as in the next time they saw each other. OP said where they saw each other and how they saw each other regular was because they are in college and have a class together. So pretty clearly OP was a young adult and in college when this happened.
The first story: EX-F*CKING-CUSE ME?! The f*ck are you saying about nothing bad happend?? Lady, the mere interaction was bad enought, you were in your teens, I´m almost 40 and don´t talk that way even in joke to friends, that man is a monster who need to be castrated. The second story, if the warlock is going to be like that in my table, he have 0 rights to be in the next game, if he have something to do that is important, well, bad luck, obligations before ttrpg, but if he forgot the phone and don´t even apologize correctly abd then ghosting me, sorry but no, he´s not in the next game, don´t care if he apologise after. Last Story: Lady, not being able to see red flags is normal, don´t be so hard on yourself, that table was awfull not in the story telling way, but more in the emphatic way, I mean, if a DM started to berrated to a player that way, the next thing that *sshole is seeing is me getting out inmediatelly and, if I can, getting everybody with me, NEVER treat a player that way, if you don´t want that player in the table, grow a pair and tell her/him, don´t be a coward bully to use ur imaginary power in a make believe game.
First story, a lot of people are downplaying how dangerous Tom is because 'she wasn't a minor when he made his move' and it just goes to show how normalised grooming and predatory behaviour is. They will handwave it because he waited until she was 'of age', but he triangulated a vulnerable young person who trusted him, got her alone and repeatedly made comments that demonstrated his awareness of the power dynamic and exactly how helpless she was with him, he turned his crimes around on her (only predators blame someone for 'not saying no') and hid behind the fact that she was technically legal despite admitting to her face that he'd fantasised about her since she was 13. Groomer. Predator. Criminal. Tom needs a deep fryer facial, and anyone who thinks his behaviour is anything less than utterly revolting should have a real hard think about what kind of person they might be.
@@crazyratlady3115also OP explains in the comments that her country considers minors to be anyone under 16 instead 18 here, so her being “barely older than a minor” means she was still underage.
I feel like the Warlock dude either had something serious going on or had a mental health episode, and the DM went too hard on him. I get it, you put a lot of effort into that game, but people have real lives to live, and it was the dude's first ever transgression? Also, not rescheduling the game so it wouldn't fall on a little kid's birthday is kinda shitty. Two year olds might not remember the event later on, but they will likely remember being in a bright stimulating environment that's supposed to be fun to explore, but mommy and daddy aren't there to help them navigate it. Also, you are missing out on a special day with your child, and you've only had them for two years. Come on, are you bored of them already? I know it's likely small potatoes, as they still attended some of the party, but man... Priorities. I've missed many outings with friends because of family gatherings and celebrations, it's not that hard. Like, yeah, a memorial service for a relative who was low-key emotionally abusive towards you when they were alive is one thing (I still got grief from my family for leaving early, of course), but a little kid's birthday? Your own kid's, that you have scheduled a celebration for yourself? Nope, you attend that.
Someone else in this commentssection says digging deeper into that "no show" story's original post revealed the missing player had car issues that day. And I agree on there being no real good reason to prioritizing a DnD game over your own child's birthday of any age. Warlock player could still have better explained the reason for the absence, even if OP overreacted.
@@Val-wj3vy I pieced the parts that weren't on the video. She was 16, but already an adult in her country where the drinking age is 18. Although my initial is technically still correct, I was thinking she was in the US and had 18 less than the 21 to drink.
Story 1: If OP had been my friend or relative, Tom would have been informed in no uncertain terms that his behavior was grossly inappropriate and potentially hazardous to his health. Please bring in the cats... Thank you! Much better! Story 2: Having an unrelated one-shot as a back up plan for unexpected absence saves a lot of grief. BUT Warlock (falsely) confirmed he'd be present on the day of only to be a no-show to his spotlight session, so OP's reaction is reasonable. SIMBA!!! Story 3: I miss the days when incels were widely regarded as outright villains and held up as an example of exactly what NOT to be. It's unfortunate that the idea of regarding people as things which exist for one's own pleasure has become more prevalent to the extent that this person thinks others owes him something just because he wants it AND he has a "wingman" supporting him! Does it really need to be explained that people have needs, wants, values, feelings, priorities, etc. that do not necessarily align and should not be forced to? Apparently so.
You really need to re-evaluate your priorities if you’re leaving your child’s birthday party to go play dnd. Also why are you scheduling dnd session on two of your players kids birthday?
She was an adult in her country and not in ours and had 16 yo at the time. After some digging the only places where age of consent and majority are 16 and legal drinking are higher are Burma and Vietnam Since homosexuality is ilegal in Burma she is probably from Vietnam. This is important so we have a context of the culture she was inserted.
So almost a year ago now I went to r/rpghorrorstories and told the story of what my first DM's mother did to me when I was 15, which lasted most of the year and was way worse than the first story. I was contacted by Doge who asked if they could put my story in a video, I gave permission, and never saw or heard anything else about it, and the story has not been on the channel. So my question is why? Is it for any other reason than the fact I am male? Because if your going to discount the stories of male victims then I don't see a reason to continue watching this channel.
Probably got buried, or after reveiwing it maybe it would have gotten demonitized. If Doge actually discounted your story I don't think you would have been contacted in the first place.
3:03 commenting now but already getting red flags from OP. "Barely older than a minor" = 18-20 y/o. Dad may be creepy but jesus you dont have to try so hard to make it that way. 12:53 now that im past it dad sounds like he was maybe creeping but the fact she mentioned that he said "she exaggerated" i would want to hear both sides.
Judging by the fact the creep not only knew op for awhile when they were still underage and even mentioned it, the barely older comment can imply op was 18 or around it, meaning he waited till op turned legal to try to make moves judging by the places he took her and the things he said Not to mention that Sarah confirmed that she had no idea of these meetings, meaning his intentions were never good, fuck this whole I wanna hear both sides, no matter the context even if he even had good intentions, why is he meeting up with op by lying to them so much so Sarah had 0 clue these meetings ever happened until op told her, he could’ve easily told op, hey Sarah has no interest in DnD but you do and I can show you the way into this hobby, like dude if that doesn’t make you uncomfortable idk what to tell you
I kind of want to know why ops dad didn't react like Sarah, I was in a similar situation, only the groomer was a cheapskate (didnt want to buy me a caramel frap with 2007 prices) and he complained to my mom about it, outing himself, and my mom cut him off completely and he refused to talk with her (and by extension me) again. My mom literally went and told as many people with underage daughters that she found out that he was a massive creep.
According to OP in the comments of this video, her country consider minors to be up to age 16. So “barely older than a minor” would put her at just turned 17 at the time or recently turned 16
Dude. Jesus, fucking, Christ!!!!! That first story is so fucking painful. Imagine raising your kid, loving them, helping them, defending them, puting in all the time effort and care. Only for her to do THAT to you. WOW, betrayal hurts most when it is from the ones nearest to you. Not only is the first story a perfect example of how "creep actions" are only defined by how the viewer feels about the actions not the actual actions themselves, it shows that men really are hated by society. I would understand completely if any man who heard that story would just go "I'll wait until the android girls are available" Nah, she was just a moron. Just date the guy. It's a waste of time for you yet it means the world to him. She deserves worse.
Hey, um, you do realize that the OTHER party involved has to actually want the relationship right? RIGHT? She doesn't owe him a thing. Also, genius, THE MAN WAS MARRIED. There's a little word called "adultery"....
@@MarquisLeary34 ok, and they don't need to be nice to her then. She hasn't done anything to deserve their respect, in fact she did the opposite. Also, the story never mentions if the father was married or not.
@@MarquisLeary34 You don't understand how people work. The whole point of it was to get them together, she is the one that is stopping the relationship from happening, so obviously all parties involved that are trying to make the relationship happen will get annoyed.
"It's her fault for not saying no !"
Damn and I thought the "How can I get sex if I have to get consent' from the Duck character story was the biggest redflag-
At least the duck was fictional in-game stuff (unless the story mentioned IRL stuff I forgot).
First story is basically grooming 101 he hit almost every check box
Almost… step 1 is the child cant know
@leguan278 meaning the child can't know they're being groomed? I agree. Probably one of the few good things about how we use the internet nowadays is spreading the tactics people like this use against their victims so that potential victims know what to look for and how to either avoid these scenarios or find a way out of them through things like "angel shots"
Family Guy said it best - "It's not about sex, it's about power."
So much so, that it's probably fake.
@jasonrustmann7535 there are plenty of stories where I say to myself "no, there's no way someone can be that stupid." Yet I am consistently both amazed and disappointed about how stupid someone can be. A story like this may be unlikely, but not impossible
Oh hey, that first story was mine! Wasn't expecting to see my story covered on this channel lol.
The people on reddit have been very lovely and have invited me to play in an all-girl environment to help me get into DnD c:
Sarah was the only one in her family who stuck up for me in that scenario. Everyone else kept asking why I didn't just say no or made excuses for him (think "oh, that's just how he is. He's harmless really!" type of excuses). They even tried to get me to go to a family dinner in celebration of Sarah's birthday even though Tom would be there as well, then called me selfish and a bad friend when I refused to go. Because of all this, I don't really hang around Sarah's family much anymore.
All that put a huge strain on Sarah's relationship with the rest of her family. I felt really bad after finding out the day out with Tom was basically the catalyst for Sarah distancing herself from her family, but she insists that I did absolutely nothing wrong. She said she'd rather have a friend in me than a family of victim-blamers and enablers. I really can't stress enough how much of an awesome friend she is.
Tom went on to have a girlfriend who was the same age as Sarah and myself. Sarah was super weirded out by it and only barely tolerates talking to him now. She told me that the only reason she hasn't gone no contact with him is because he gives her money sometimes lol
😮well,I guess for the last part there’s a expiration date
you and sarah are truly strong, for real, if i was your father you bet your bottom dollar either me or tom was going to jail the next morning.
@Mia-Tilapia Depending on how recent this was, Sarah might be wise to inform her cousins and younger relatives about this if the rest of the family isn't looking out for them. Then they can buddy up and look out for each other if he's sniffing around them or their friends.
Sorry you both had to go through that. I'm glad you're back into dnd in a healthy way and I hope Sarah is doing well too.
I usually don't believe these stories on these subreddits (most of the stuff doge covers is demonstrably fake), but I am absolutely convinced that this is something that happened to you. I wish you all the best going forward. How can an adult with a daughter your age use the "she didn't say no" bs excuse? Would that have been fine if it were your father creeping on Sarah? Such a ridiculous man and a stain on the dnd community.
@@ShepardCommanderoh it’s you again. They guy that thinks every story is fake because everyone doesn’t play dnd and communicate exactly like you and your group
Parents, normalize teaching your kids to say no to adults. And make sure they always have funds to call an Uber. The girl in the first story should have had the tools she needed to run as soon as the red flags started showing. Then again, that grooming dickhead probably knew she didn't. Gross.
@CrudzMcKenzie Even before Uber (and cell phones; I'm old) my mom would make sure I had a 20 in my purse for emergencies, which was enough to take a cab back to our place from anywhere back then, *sigh*.
I spent it on non emergencies all the time because I was a young dumb head but I was sure glad I always had that 20 when I really needed it.
As soon as I heard creeper dad say she was gonna invite OP's friend, I immediately knew he wasn't gonna bring her along. I called it, and I'm so disappointed it went the way I predicted.
This dad is 100 percent evil. Sure, you can make some excuse for some people who are creepy as them being socially awkward, but this dad knows exactly what he's doing, and he makes me want to invest in a wood mulching service
Here's hoping Tom got to experience PVP IRL.
“No Show”: Scheduling a session on two of the players’ toddler’s birthday, and then making excuses for why it’s okay for said parents to ditch their toddler’s birthday party to throw dice, is a massive red flag on OP. What kind of DM does that? Birthdays only come once a year. I don’t know how often this table plays sessions, but I’m going to go out on a limb and assume it’s more often than once a year. And, a 2 year old is old enough to start noticing things like mommy and daddy not being there for their birthday. And “some of us are in a bad mental health space and could use a session”? Sorry, but DND is not your therapy. It’s not the table’s job to handle whatever problems we have going on in our heads and our lives, or to be responsible for our happiness. If this DM is so obsessive over the game that they’re happy to ruin a child’s birthday to play make-believe, I don’t blame Warlock for thinking an apology wouldn’t help. Don’t get me wrong, he should still apologize. And then he should leave to find a more mentally stable and hinged table.
EDIT: Looking deeper into the thread that story comes from, yeah, OP is the horror story. They admitted it’s completely out of character for Warlock to do this, and instead of being concerned about this sudden change of character and finding some kind of solution, they’re fuming and saying edgelord crap like “these transgressions will not go unanswered” on Reddit. I guess their concern for their players’ mental health goes out the window the moment it negatively impacts them. It turns out Warlock had to take his car to the shop, but forgot his phone, so he couldn’t call an Uber or tell anyone what was going on. Still something he should apologize for, but I can’t blame him for ghosting OP for jumping down his throat. A month ago OP was on Reddit singing their players’ praise, including praising Warlock, but one bad day is enough to go completely scorched earth? OP doesn’t need to run a DND table, they need a therapist and a prescription.
I’m 45. My dad was in the Air Force when I was born (an “enlist as an officer inthe AF (his college required 2 years ROTC for men, coin flip AF or Army, if you did all 4 years said enlistment was possible) or have fun in the jungle” deal some years before). To. This. Day he mentions being called to the base during my first 2 birthday parties. Especially as it was “make work for my officers to look good for visiting brass” type things not “the nuclear warhead is about to meltdown”.
Because he adored me, his best friend (they were roommates, married sisters), the couple who barely met the daughter’s bf and said “you need feeding, come to Sunday dinner, bring your roommate” and the entire clan this dropped him in.
The first things that come to mind for childhood birthdays are Dad’s regret and that at my 3rd I teased Grandma into giving me a bite of her salad and the family watched me devour my first plate. None of which I actively remember obviously!
I don't think I was sentient enough at that age to remember people, or even understand the concept of a birthday, but I distinctly remember a birthday cake with trucks on it for my 1st or 2nd birthday, and a SpongeBob cake for my 2nd or 3rd birthday. And I do realize people mature and form memories at different rates, I'm not defending OP I just spouted this for no reason
I would be _so mad_ at that guy.
D&D is not therapy. Get a therapist.
EDIT: wrote this before listening, and based on personal experience, but comment stands, even if not exactly what happened in story.
TBF he put up a poll to see who would be coming/late/absent. And those two fully grown adults decided to sign up as on time and ditch their kid's birthday. I'd say that's more of a commentary on their parenting vs his DMing. They could have just said absent/late
The "no show" story is exactly why it's a really bad idea to create sessions that require a player to be there. You're not only wasting your time but everyone else's time if said player doesn't show up. And those parents really suck. I wouldn't leave my children's parties for a game.
Why is it that the creeps always go after girls who are utterly unavailable? Minors, lesbians, people in obviously committed relationships.....thankfully that way of thinking is completely alien to me.
It's simple, they don't care about the other parties' enjoyment/consent
Minors supposedly wouldn't know better, they might not know their preying on lesbians, or claim "they just haven't been with a real man" while deluding themselves into thinking they qualify.
Like my dad used to say "why attack innocent girls just to have sex, when you can just call one of many prostitutes out there on the streets?"
@@AvatAR42420 Looks like my previous comment vanished.
Creeps are probably ignorant or in denial about their targets availability. Maybe deluded into thinking any woman should be happier with them.
@@AvatAR42420 not all creeps do this. The other type overlaps in goings after minors, but is looking for someone who can be brought under their authority because of something like depression/anxiety, who is (rightfully) escaping a bad family situation with no image of a healthy partnership to play on, who they can arrange to owe them either money (see Oz escaping Illuminatii) or favors (if in “Pride and Prejudice” Darcy held “I saved your teenage sister from a ruin that would have ricocheted to socially ruin all of you” over them). Lesbians and people with good partners aren’t the best to snare, unless the local community’s anti LGBTQAI+ thing is what the predator if offering an escape from
Of course Sara wasn't told, there is no way he was going to tell her.
And of course, Tom has to blame OP for his actions.
About first story: DUDE! That was the right time to call the cops and put a restrain order against this creep and put in on the watch list!
Woot! New one! Man, I wish you'd do a long dark screen compilation. I enjoy throwing these on and drifting off.
Sarah's dad was not "a creep". That was a predator. An active predator. The story, OP and even our beloved dodge are playing the seriousness of what has happened to that child, now young adult, massively down.
The police should've been notified immediately. OPs dad shouldve reacted much more harsly immediately. Cps should've been called. Predators usually don't stop even towards their own children if given the chance. This guy got away with something before for sure. He was way too assured in his acting.
Not a creep. A predator. A type of P-file.
She was a kid, no way could she have known or seen this for what it was immediately. But in that car ride, she realised for the first time the danger she was truly in...
He's both.
Story 2: Warlock is the antagonist, but op is the bad guy here
I bet the wife wasn't very happy, either. Not only a creep, but a DUMB one to boot! I wonder how much backlash there was in the family later?
I would have loved to be a fly on the wall for that argument
There was no backlash. The whole family are enablers. (Minus the friend)
@@kainslegacy78618 Yeah, OP says as much in this thread.
Honestly, the creeps advise IS solid. You DO need to be careful when drinking.
18:24 the DM in the no show story did a poor job explaining what happened, importantly never included why the warlock was late in the post, though did mention it in comments. She never happened to put it into any of her multiple edits.
Why was warlock late? Apparently he needed to get his car fixed so had planned to drop it off then get an uber back home. After he dropped off the car he noticed he had forgotten his phone, couldn't call an uber and had no choice but to make a two hour walk back to his house. He was late because he was walking home and couldn't call because he didn't have his phone, which is why he had to walk home.
From many of the DM's comments I get the impression that warlock didn't feel like apologising would help less out of disrespect and more out of experience with DM. They have a pretty rough friendship which includes her pointing out a lot of his shortcomings.
We're always only getting one side of the story with these, but I feel like there's another version to hear.
‘If he doesn’t get his crap together and man up’ he says, while acting like a little girl
Sorry DM in the "no show" story is a total weirdo too ngl.
Holding people for an hour and a half and then sending them hold is such a bizarre choice
Creep dad story: He was grooming. Yhe only illegal thing he actually did was the alcohol to an under age person.
Groomed her by trying to get himself in her good hraces and by trying to make her owe him.
Groomed his friends by making it normal hat the OP was with him.
Groomed the environment by making reasons for them to be alone.
Groomed himself by making excuses why it wasn't his fault.
I play dnd with sex offenders. He has commited a worse crime or is seeking the opportunity to do it.
The alcohol thing is grooming? She had a favorite drink and is in college, I'm kinda curious on his side of the story
@forgottenvalues3293 He was trying to get her drunk so her defenses would be down and she would be easier to take advantage of. He also could have been trying to drug her.
It's part of the grooming because he's spent a lot of time working to make her trust him, and the alcohol is the culmination of his work. It's the bridge between thought and action for a lot of abusers. He was hoping she'd trust him enough to get drunk so he could make his move.
There are four aspects of grooming. Victim, others, self, and environment. If you know what to look for you can see the dangers. This man is practiced, he had a moment of self reflection and chose not to be forceful. That moment was when he took her home when asked but his thought process was in the comment he made on the drive home.
That last statement caught my attention.
@@siobhanroberts2329 I'm definitely thinking he was creep because he acted weird when confronted. But I came off to be me a lonely man you what to get with a young college student
Not to blame the victim AT ALL... it's curious that the first OP never talked to her best friend until this happened TWICE. Heck, I find it weird that she never confirmed that the BF was going to the first session before anything even happened. Not because she'd have been suspicious, but because she was excited. Again, none of this excuses the creepy dad. It's just weird.
@@ByrdieFae maybe I'm wrong, but I kinda infered rhat friend was unavailable\away at the time. That said, I found it bit odd too
@ByrdieFae When it's your friend's dad there can be the assumption that it was already worked out with your friend beforehand, plus there's the parent power dynamic.
@@siobhanroberts2329 Like I said, it wouldn't be due to suspicion. But just a "Hey, playing D&D with you is gonna be so cool! See you Saturday!" Something like that, a totally innocent thing a friend would text.
Thanks for all the hard work
His DAUGHTER's friend? Yikes.
When we have someone miss a session, we slow the story progression to delay the next beat and turn the RP to 11. Works like a charm.
I think drunkenly giving away your coins to beggars and guards is kind of cute
That first story was really messed up but I bet he was counting on her being too shy and embarrassed to say anything to the friend guess that backfired on him and good on Op to tell the friend
"Barely older than a minor" ffs just say barely an adult. This Twitter lingo of trying to infantilize adults to get out of any potential consequences needs to stop. This is awful even if you are an adult, you won't get witch hunted for saying the word adult.
In this case, it helps sell how that guy targeted someone he's known as a minor.
@@ArcCaravan Just the guy saying he's considered her a friend since 13 does good enough job of that.
@@alexandramusilova8148 Still feels like nitpicking word choice for OP explaining inexperienced when dealing with her best friend's father creeping on her.
Hey, that was me. For context, older than a minor in my country isn't an adult. You are legal at 16 but an adult at 18. I was barely older than 16 but not 18, which is why I couldn't drink alcohol in public. Sorry for the confusion!
@@Cosy-catto I see! I'm sorry then. I just assumed the drinking alcohol thing was the US drinking age of 21. That's even worse then wtf? Tom is even worse than I thought.
3:40 that's more of a Yellow Flag. A Red Flag is when you need to "hit the brakes" immediately but Yellow just means be alert
It’s always a better day when Doge posts
The like and comment toll has been paid. Keep being awesome Doge!
On one hand, I think early comments are dumb. On the other, I'll change my tune when I see that fresh upload. Really appreciate these 🙏 hope the channel grows fast. My #1 source of entertainment has been creepy guy rabbit holes these last couple of years
The last story: Dost thou love me? But thou must!
Dost thou love me? But thou must!
Dost thou love me? But thou must!
Dost thou love me? But thou must!
Someone needs to find out what's on Tom's HD.!
Glad the 2 from the first story stayed friends. Good ending.
After that first story we need more than one kitty.
I feel for OP, but forgetting things at home, is a real problem for some people. And a phone is nowadays one of those things people don't often drive without. Right up there with road flares, a first aid kit, and jumper cables.
Giving Warlock a guilt trip over it made both of them in the wrong, IMO.
Last story: f AJ and DM. Just toss them to the kraken of the second story (along with Warlock from second story, if he doesn't appologize).
Edit: dad from first story- the line about him taking her home because it's the right thing to do? Nah, kraken food too!
Was the character in the last story stupid for giving money away? I don’t think so. Okay, maybe not a great strategic move, but a kind one and the character was drunk so it is something a person might actually do.
If I were in the DM's position, I'd treat the act of charity as boosting personal relationship with the area. Granted I'd also tell his buddy that she just isn't into him, but that's just me.
Tons of DnD decisions could be considered not great strategy but are done anyway, so being charitable isn't that big a deal.
At least the other players in the first story were nice and not just a whole pack of predators. Also why did she never ask sarah about her absences from these meet ups afterwards so sarah could tell her she was never invited or told about them, that would have immediately outed him as a creep. Like if she was my friend and she told me that, I would have shut that shit down so fast. He is like some divorced dad perving on younger people, I would be worried for his own daughter. Edit: At least she finally did talk to her best friend, like its crazy that it wasn't her first thought. Honestly it reminds me of my dad, he is dating someone my age (30s) when he is in his 50s, its less bad but still, I could have gone to school with her, and thats weird.
What would be an apropiate age gap relationship usually?
Because they're times that you mentioned about the 30 and 50 and then other that are 21 and 30 or 29 and some people might have an issue and other not.
@@Arlesmon Well like I said "its less bad" because they are both well into adulthood but its still weird to date someone the same age as your child. Just think if it was someone I actually knew from school that would be extremely disturbing. I usually would say 3-5 years is pretty normal when it becomes 10+ it gets a bit strange.
@@gazblackheart4596Why age gaps have to be inherently something bad. In life not everything will be like in textbook and happiness and satisfaction in a relationship trumps age any day. Also everybody has the right to his sexual freedom under the confines of the law.
People tend to look to the age gap and think this was the problem in this tale however the dad knew she was lesbian and decided to disrespect her sexual orientation (which I find way way more damning then the age). Touching her without consent, disregading his own daughter, trying to smuggle her out of the country, trying to make her drink alcohol. These kind of things are the real problem.
@@Gilsao157 which is why even though I said it made me uncomfortable to think about in my own case, I know its not like illegal or anything just weird, since dating someone your kids age IS weird.
Another great video
Barely older than a minor is an adult. Not a good guy, but let's not pretend differently.
Still felt like exploiting a loophole to take advantage of someone inexperienced. Plus that guy admitting to feeling "friendship" when she was 13 makes me doubt he wasn't interested in her youth.
According to the op, in her country you’re no longer considered a minor at age 16, so barely older than a minor but still not an adult in her country, would be about 17 or just turned 16
She was in college. Wich means she was 18.
@@nadeshikorealnofake2237 I mean we don’t know how long after this her telling Sarah about her dad takes place.
@Tony2-Dirty the way the story is told Sarah was told soon after, as in the next time they saw each other. OP said where they saw each other and how they saw each other regular was because they are in college and have a class together.
So pretty clearly OP was a young adult and in college when this happened.
Pdf file dad making me look longingly at my aluminum baseball bat
Okay, he probably will (if he already isnt) be on a list of offender. However in this history the girl was 18+ so I don't understand the pdf thing.
The first story: EX-F*CKING-CUSE ME?! The f*ck are you saying about nothing bad happend?? Lady, the mere interaction was bad enought, you were in your teens, I´m almost 40 and don´t talk that way even in joke to friends, that man is a monster who need to be castrated.
The second story, if the warlock is going to be like that in my table, he have 0 rights to be in the next game, if he have something to do that is important, well, bad luck, obligations before ttrpg, but if he forgot the phone and don´t even apologize correctly abd then ghosting me, sorry but no, he´s not in the next game, don´t care if he apologise after.
Last Story: Lady, not being able to see red flags is normal, don´t be so hard on yourself, that table was awfull not in the story telling way, but more in the emphatic way, I mean, if a DM started to berrated to a player that way, the next thing that *sshole is seeing is me getting out inmediatelly and, if I can, getting everybody with me, NEVER treat a player that way, if you don´t want that player in the table, grow a pair and tell her/him, don´t be a coward bully to use ur imaginary power in a make believe game.
First story, a lot of people are downplaying how dangerous Tom is because 'she wasn't a minor when he made his move' and it just goes to show how normalised grooming and predatory behaviour is. They will handwave it because he waited until she was 'of age', but he triangulated a vulnerable young person who trusted him, got her alone and repeatedly made comments that demonstrated his awareness of the power dynamic and exactly how helpless she was with him, he turned his crimes around on her (only predators blame someone for 'not saying no') and hid behind the fact that she was technically legal despite admitting to her face that he'd fantasised about her since she was 13. Groomer. Predator. Criminal. Tom needs a deep fryer facial, and anyone who thinks his behaviour is anything less than utterly revolting should have a real hard think about what kind of person they might be.
@@crazyratlady3115also OP explains in the comments that her country considers minors to be anyone under 16 instead 18 here, so her being “barely older than a minor” means she was still underage.
I feel like the Warlock dude either had something serious going on or had a mental health episode, and the DM went too hard on him. I get it, you put a lot of effort into that game, but people have real lives to live, and it was the dude's first ever transgression? Also, not rescheduling the game so it wouldn't fall on a little kid's birthday is kinda shitty. Two year olds might not remember the event later on, but they will likely remember being in a bright stimulating environment that's supposed to be fun to explore, but mommy and daddy aren't there to help them navigate it. Also, you are missing out on a special day with your child, and you've only had them for two years. Come on, are you bored of them already? I know it's likely small potatoes, as they still attended some of the party, but man... Priorities. I've missed many outings with friends because of family gatherings and celebrations, it's not that hard. Like, yeah, a memorial service for a relative who was low-key emotionally abusive towards you when they were alive is one thing (I still got grief from my family for leaving early, of course), but a little kid's birthday? Your own kid's, that you have scheduled a celebration for yourself? Nope, you attend that.
Someone else in this commentssection says digging deeper into that "no show" story's original post revealed the missing player had car issues that day. And I agree on there being no real good reason to prioritizing a DnD game over your own child's birthday of any age. Warlock player could still have better explained the reason for the absence, even if OP overreacted.
I've got a tiny stash of soul coins that says the creepy dad from Story 1 and the DM of Story 3 are the same dude. Any takers?
damn.. the first story.... the first time i got creeped out so hard by a reddit story.
He even tried pushing alcohol on a minor, JFC.
She was not a minor, but not of drinking age either
@@Gilsao157 Legally she was in the US, since she was under 18.
@@Val-wj3vy I pieced the parts that weren't on the video. She was 16, but already an adult in her country where the drinking age is 18.
Although my initial is technically still correct, I was thinking she was in the US and had 18 less than the 21 to drink.
Story 1: If OP had been my friend or relative, Tom would have been informed in no uncertain terms that his behavior was grossly inappropriate and potentially hazardous to his health.
Please bring in the cats... Thank you! Much better!
Story 2: Having an unrelated one-shot as a back up plan for unexpected absence saves a lot of grief. BUT Warlock (falsely) confirmed he'd be present on the day of only to be a no-show to his spotlight session, so OP's reaction is reasonable.
SIMBA!!!
Story 3: I miss the days when incels were widely regarded as outright villains and held up as an example of exactly what NOT to be. It's unfortunate that the idea of regarding people as things which exist for one's own pleasure has become more prevalent to the extent that this person thinks others owes him something just because he wants it AND he has a "wingman" supporting him! Does it really need to be explained that people have needs, wants, values, feelings, priorities, etc. that do not necessarily align and should not be forced to? Apparently so.
And WHERE did you find that HORRIFYING thumbnail?!?😱😱😱😱
You really need to re-evaluate your priorities if you’re leaving your child’s birthday party to go play dnd. Also why are you scheduling dnd session on two of your players kids birthday?
Release the kraken!
DTT!!!
WTF is that thumbnail lmao
My guilty pleasure I love your video and cringed at the story’s
It's hard being a girl in dnd. Be normal.
*SIGH* Sex pests EVERYWHERE in this effing community. Girl in the first story should look for better RPG communities.
Sounded like she already found better groups without needing a new game.
Lmao barely older than a minor? An adult? Are you kidding me.
She was an adult in her country and not in ours and had 16 yo at the time.
After some digging the only places where age of consent and majority are 16 and legal drinking are higher are Burma and Vietnam
Since homosexuality is ilegal in Burma she is probably from Vietnam.
This is important so we have a context of the culture she was inserted.
So almost a year ago now I went to r/rpghorrorstories and told the story of what my first DM's mother did to me when I was 15, which lasted most of the year and was way worse than the first story. I was contacted by Doge who asked if they could put my story in a video, I gave permission, and never saw or heard anything else about it, and the story has not been on the channel.
So my question is why? Is it for any other reason than the fact I am male? Because if your going to discount the stories of male victims then I don't see a reason to continue watching this channel.
Probably got buried, or after reveiwing it maybe it would have gotten demonitized. If Doge actually discounted your story I don't think you would have been contacted in the first place.
TBH he uploads so many i think he may have it mixed between other's.
Giving money away to NPCs sounds as stupid as treating any NPC like they're a person to treat respectfully.
Why were the two pumpkins so close?
They had deep roots
3:03 commenting now but already getting red flags from OP. "Barely older than a minor" = 18-20 y/o. Dad may be creepy but jesus you dont have to try so hard to make it that way.
12:53 now that im past it dad sounds like he was maybe creeping but the fact she mentioned that he said "she exaggerated" i would want to hear both sides.
Judging by the fact the creep not only knew op for awhile when they were still underage and even mentioned it, the barely older comment can imply op was 18 or around it, meaning he waited till op turned legal to try to make moves judging by the places he took her and the things he said
Not to mention that Sarah confirmed that she had no idea of these meetings, meaning his intentions were never good, fuck this whole I wanna hear both sides, no matter the context even if he even had good intentions, why is he meeting up with op by lying to them so much so Sarah had 0 clue these meetings ever happened until op told her, he could’ve easily told op, hey Sarah has no interest in DnD but you do and I can show you the way into this hobby, like dude if that doesn’t make you uncomfortable idk what to tell you
I kind of want to know why ops dad didn't react like Sarah, I was in a similar situation, only the groomer was a cheapskate (didnt want to buy me a caramel frap with 2007 prices) and he complained to my mom about it, outing himself, and my mom cut him off completely and he refused to talk with her (and by extension me) again. My mom literally went and told as many people with underage daughters that she found out that he was a massive creep.
So exact word choice for explaining age disparity means a groomer could be innocent regardless of other details?
According to OP in the comments of this video, her country consider minors to be up to age 16. So “barely older than a minor” would put her at just turned 17 at the time or recently turned 16
Not gonna lie op was stupid....red flags in ur face ans you ignored them.... hindsight is 20/20
Dude. Jesus, fucking, Christ!!!!! That first story is so fucking painful. Imagine raising your kid, loving them, helping them, defending them, puting in all the time effort and care. Only for her to do THAT to you. WOW, betrayal hurts most when it is from the ones nearest to you.
Not only is the first story a perfect example of how "creep actions" are only defined by how the viewer feels about the actions not the actual actions themselves, it shows that men really are hated by society. I would understand completely if any man who heard that story would just go "I'll wait until the android girls are available"
Nah, she was just a moron. Just date the guy. It's a waste of time for you yet it means the world to him. She deserves worse.
you, my friend, are insane. As well as couple other words unsuited for polite conversation.
Hey, um, you do realize that the OTHER party involved has to actually want the relationship right? RIGHT? She doesn't owe him a thing.
Also, genius, THE MAN WAS MARRIED. There's a little word called "adultery"....
@@MarquisLeary34 ok, and they don't need to be nice to her then. She hasn't done anything to deserve their respect, in fact she did the opposite.
Also, the story never mentions if the father was married or not.
@@ghost7685 Is the notion of treating someone you invite to a D&D game civilly an alien concept to you? And what did she do to not deserve respect?
@@MarquisLeary34 You don't understand how people work. The whole point of it was to get them together, she is the one that is stopping the relationship from happening, so obviously all parties involved that are trying to make the relationship happen will get annoyed.