The episode on 2001 A Space Odyssey is here: ua-cam.com/video/fND9UP6TswI/v-deo.html The episode on A Clockwork Orange is here: ua-cam.com/video/3zUy85--NGI/v-deo.html
Another great video! I'm glad you mentioned The Shadow Knows, which is a really interesting slice of life of mid-70s America (with an incredibly unusual ending.) The Shadow Knows, is of course, based on the old radio serial, which starts: "who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men?..." which could be a tagline for The Shining as well!
Interesting! In The Shining novel, Jack also refers to his stalking as what, 'The shadow knows.' I get the feeling it used to be a more common reference.
Ager never claimed that Danny let Jack out,cause he felt sorry for him,he did it in order to lure him into the maze so that he could trap him,I don't know where you got that from?
From my low brow perspective I think there's plenty of nuance in King's story, which I first read a year ago, and I got much more out of it then the film, so Kubric and his screenwriter's dismissal of it's value is pretty irritating. That said, the film is a masterpiece of it's own that captivated and touched me most uncomfortably with poignant images and unearthly sounds. Someone came up with a good head canon rationalization for the differences that I quite like: The book is the story from the four characters own heads, and shows their dichotomy in a human way, while the Film is the story from the story from the Hotels perspective (nearly all the scenes take place there) and sees the people as shallow caricatures of weakness to be exploited. Course many events seem wildly different, but such is it's twisted tortured perspective - it doesn't even know it blew up at the end lol.
My only complaints with this movie are the unrealistic wounds on the ghoul in room 237, and the fake static skeletons that Wendy encountered when she was running around.
Also, supporting King, Carrie had been well-received, so he was already a known entity and should have been given more control. (Just my humble opinion.)
Kubrick was very condescending and critical of Stephen King's book. It is, I believe, a work of genius. Kubrick should have been more respectful, I think.
24:13 -Not to mention it is very different going through something versus witnessing it. I don't feel Shelly's Wendy was not emotionally intellegent. That is really victim blaming and taking a very complex situation to a black and white level. You don't need to be reminded through a million hinting detials or backstory anecdotes to recognize that a relationship like hers and Jack's is complex. I am male. I also have worked in public services with vulnerable minorities as a mandated reporter/confident for many years. I know what kinds of red flags to look for when it comes to abuse. I've helped with that plenty of times. Having then been in a realitionship with someone who turned physically, emotionally and sexually abusive to an extreme over about a quarter a years time being with her, I recognize it is a whole different ballgame. Being honest with yourself about the warning signs, the acts they are committing, their genuine intentions, the likliness of things getting better ect, is not so straitforeward. You can fear the consequences of leaving them, not just from their retaliation but the void you feel it will leave in your lifw. I was best friends with her for a year before we dayed and we had been coworkers. You can want to belive their manipulations and give them the benefit of the doubt even if you know better out of love for them and fear of being to harsh to someone who committed to you. There are many more variables than it seems on the surface that can influence your judgment and response. It's not just a cliche of a woman steritpye but a very real position ANYONE can easily fall into under these kind of circumstances . I did and can only immagine how much worse it would be if i had been with her longer, was married to her and had a kid to think about too. This is not a sexist depiction of a woman but the sad consequence of being in a toxic relationship. It's horror and as real as it is, being in a situation like this van be some of the greatest horror. Knowing on a level you are in a bad spot because of someone you SHOULD trust and be supported by but not being able to fully accept and face that at as a result. I HATE losing people. I already lost my ex long before I acknowlaged it but had such a hard time doing so because it would be such a hard thing to deal with on top of what would I would ahve to face next as the result. It's easier to hope than to embrace that life just sucks so hard in the moment.
38:12 - There is also some discrepancy on the Grady characters. When Jack is hired, he is told about Grady and his girls who were described to be about two years apart. Later when Jack meets Grady, he is not the caretaker but a serving staff, gives a different first name for himself and his daughters are clearly twins, not staggered in age. This has lead people to hypothesis it goes with the cyclical time/timeless aspect of the hotel with there having been two Gradys. Just like with the belief about Jack, there was a Grady with Twins who acted as a serving staff at the Overlook and committed a suicide murder kf his family. A later incarnation if him would be hired by Jack's boss' own superior as the prior caregiver. This version had a different first name and his girls had an age gap but would be resigned to the same fates as their prior iterations. This also causes us yo question what was different..Jack is alone I'm the photo. Perhaps the irigional version was single and that's why Wendy/Danny escaped. They were never part of the initial event cycle of Jack so they were never actually destined to be killed by him and thus safe the whole time. What a mund fuck that would be right? Despite the seeming danger, their security was always guaranteed without them knowing just because it has always only ever been just Jack who died. Thats why the girls want Danny to Join them. He hasn't already and they want the company even though he can't. These aspects could also be taken as evidence it is all in Jack's mind. He was told the story by the boss but it was a quick account. As Jack is becoming more mentlaly unstable he is manifesting these apparitions from his subconsious but getting the recounted details wrong. Amazing how the same exact detials can be evidence for completely opposite hypthosis contradicting each other.
1:02:59 - But that's the nature of being a published writer..you aren't doing it as personal expression art or you would self-publish/spread through other means. If you plan to make a living out of it you are making a product and it will need to be conformed accordingly to marketabilty..the difference between an artisan and an artist.
The Shining was specifically inspired by Ray Bradbury's short story, The Velt. I didn't find out til late in the editing process though so I didn't go in-depth about it. Would be fun to cover Bradbury's work in the future though. So far I've only talked about him in one of my Scifi Books for Beginners videos.
No one has ever put the movie in the freezer after trying to watch it... And Many people, including myself did put the book in the freezer because it was soo caustic and scary. I hady husband of 3onyjs take it to a far away trash dumpster. Joey on TV show Friends did as well. I've read quite a few people saying they also did this.
The episode on 2001 A Space Odyssey is here: ua-cam.com/video/fND9UP6TswI/v-deo.html
The episode on A Clockwork Orange is here: ua-cam.com/video/3zUy85--NGI/v-deo.html
Another great video!
I'm glad you mentioned The Shadow Knows, which is a really interesting slice of life of mid-70s America (with an incredibly unusual ending.) The Shadow Knows, is of course, based on the old radio serial, which starts: "who knows what evil lurks in the hearts of men?..." which could be a tagline for The Shining as well!
Interesting! In The Shining novel, Jack also refers to his stalking as what, 'The shadow knows.' I get the feeling it used to be a more common reference.
Ager never claimed that Danny let Jack out,cause he felt sorry for him,he did it in order to lure him into the maze so that he could trap him,I don't know where you got that from?
Stanley Kubrick's The Shining is the film of Jack Torrance's novel.
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Yes, or at least the 2nd half is? The transition point is probably when Jack looks at the model hedge maze and sees Wendy and Danny walking in it.
You mean *Stephen King’s novel
@@robbydelrey Nope, I mean Jack Torrance's novel.
Is there any proof of this?
Simon is one of the smartest and least pretentious video essayists on UA-cam.
From my low brow perspective I think there's plenty of nuance in King's story, which I first read a year ago, and I got much more out of it then the film, so Kubric and his screenwriter's dismissal of it's value is pretty irritating. That said, the film is a masterpiece of it's own that captivated and touched me most uncomfortably with poignant images and unearthly sounds.
Someone came up with a good head canon rationalization for the differences that I quite like: The book is the story from the four characters own heads, and shows their dichotomy in a human way, while the Film is the story from the story from the Hotels perspective (nearly all the scenes take place there) and sees the people as shallow caricatures of weakness to be exploited. Course many events seem wildly different, but such is it's twisted tortured perspective - it doesn't even know it blew up at the end lol.
That's a fantastic description of how the two versions can be read.
@@ContentLitwithSimonFay Yeah. Fantastic documentary BTW, I look forward to your others whether they're 10 minutes or an hour or more.
My only complaints with this movie are the unrealistic wounds on the ghoul in room 237, and the fake static skeletons that Wendy encountered when she was running around.
The name of "the cook" in Shining is Holleran and the curse of Cassandra was nobody would believe her prophesies.
Excellent work Simon 👍
Also, supporting King, Carrie had been well-received, so he was already a known entity and should have been given more control. (Just my humble opinion.)
Kubrick was very condescending and critical of Stephen King's book. It is, I believe, a work of genius. Kubrick should have been more respectful, I think.
24:13 -Not to mention it is very different going through something versus witnessing it. I don't feel Shelly's Wendy was not emotionally intellegent. That is really victim blaming and taking a very complex situation to a black and white level. You don't need to be reminded through a million hinting detials or backstory anecdotes to recognize that a relationship like hers and Jack's is complex. I am male. I also have worked in public services with vulnerable minorities as a mandated reporter/confident for many years. I know what kinds of red flags to look for when it comes to abuse. I've helped with that plenty of times. Having then been in a realitionship with someone who turned physically, emotionally and sexually abusive to an extreme over about a quarter a years time being with her, I recognize it is a whole different ballgame. Being honest with yourself about the warning signs, the acts they are committing, their genuine intentions, the likliness of things getting better ect, is not so straitforeward. You can fear the consequences of leaving them, not just from their retaliation but the void you feel it will leave in your lifw. I was best friends with her for a year before we dayed and we had been coworkers. You can want to belive their manipulations and give them the benefit of the doubt even if you know better out of love for them and fear of being to harsh to someone who committed to you. There are many more variables than it seems on the surface that can influence your judgment and response. It's not just a cliche of a woman steritpye but a very real position ANYONE can easily fall into under these kind of circumstances . I did and can only immagine how much worse it would be if i had been with her longer, was married to her and had a kid to think about too. This is not a sexist depiction of a woman but the sad consequence of being in a toxic relationship. It's horror and as real as it is, being in a situation like this van be some of the greatest horror. Knowing on a level you are in a bad spot because of someone you SHOULD trust and be supported by but not being able to fully accept and face that at as a result. I HATE losing people. I already lost my ex long before I acknowlaged it but had such a hard time doing so because it would be such a hard thing to deal with on top of what would I would ahve to face next as the result. It's easier to hope than to embrace that life just sucks so hard in the moment.
Interesting and intelligent narrative but i can't hear any of it dt it sounding like Connor MacGregor.
38:12 - There is also some discrepancy on the Grady characters. When Jack is hired, he is told about Grady and his girls who were described to be about two years apart. Later when Jack meets Grady, he is not the caretaker but a serving staff, gives a different first name for himself and his daughters are clearly twins, not staggered in age. This has lead people to hypothesis it goes with the cyclical time/timeless aspect of the hotel with there having been two Gradys. Just like with the belief about Jack, there was a Grady with Twins who acted as a serving staff at the Overlook and committed a suicide murder kf his family. A later incarnation if him would be hired by Jack's boss' own superior as the prior caregiver. This version had a different first name and his girls had an age gap but would be resigned to the same fates as their prior iterations. This also causes us yo question what was different..Jack is alone I'm the photo. Perhaps the irigional version was single and that's why Wendy/Danny escaped. They were never part of the initial event cycle of Jack so they were never actually destined to be killed by him and thus safe the whole time. What a mund fuck that would be right? Despite the seeming danger, their security was always guaranteed without them knowing just because it has always only ever been just Jack who died. Thats why the girls want Danny to Join them. He hasn't already and they want the company even though he can't.
These aspects could also be taken as evidence it is all in Jack's mind. He was told the story by the boss but it was a quick account. As Jack is becoming more mentlaly unstable he is manifesting these apparitions from his subconsious but getting the recounted details wrong.
Amazing how the same exact detials can be evidence for completely opposite hypthosis contradicting each other.
Kubrick himself said the Overlook IS supernatural
What movie footage is used to illustrate the narration of The Shining? Is that Meredith Baxter?
It's from a TV mini series version of The Shining produced by Stephen King. Rebecca De Mornay played Wendy.
1:02:59 - But that's the nature of being a published writer..you aren't doing it as personal expression art or you would self-publish/spread through other means. If you plan to make a living out of it you are making a product and it will need to be conformed accordingly to marketabilty..the difference between an artisan and an artist.
Subscribed for mentioning Ray Bradbury
The Shining was specifically inspired by Ray Bradbury's short story, The Velt. I didn't find out til late in the editing process though so I didn't go in-depth about it. Would be fun to cover Bradbury's work in the future though. So far I've only talked about him in one of my Scifi Books for Beginners videos.
Interesting... Thank you.
You rock, buddy!
Much obliged.
Obviously, nobody would ever accuse Stephen King of being an intellectual.
Sir, I would like to have a conversation with you. I am here from threads.
Magically delicious.
No one has ever put the movie in the freezer after trying to watch it...
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Many people, including myself did put the book in the freezer because it was soo caustic and scary.
I hady husband of 3onyjs take it to a far away trash dumpster.
Joey on TV show Friends did as well. I've read quite a few people saying they also did this.
What the hell is a "fill - um?" 🙃
Don't give him any curry son
Fillim