yes, putting the moon in baller, they deserve utmost respect! I am another type of annoying gamestyle, a slice pusher, i would describe my style as push and volley. i can handle moonballers with no pace ok because i just need to wait for a short ball and chip it to a corner, but i don\t like the moonballers that can actually hit the ball with some pace as well because its hard to hit their shots back clean and create short balls. your point about 'clear intention' is bang on, my strength playing matches is simplicity, i never change grips, continental on every shot and just run my butt off. finally, agree on players don't like to move forward to balls either, when i miss hit my slice/chip shots they land short and low and since nobody volleys anymore they aren't very good and hitting transition shots like that.
It is, without a doubt, a remarkable piece that reflects on your knowledge of the game, which, of course, you must have learned from your coach, but many have that. What you have that is special is the Conor Casey humour and unbelievable delivery. How much will it cost me to have you wear an ACE hat? By the way my take on the moonballer is he can't hurt you, he loves to run and forces you to make a mistake because your intentions are not clear. Many decades ago, I figured it out. They like to run, so hit the ball back over and in the middle in the big square [he loves to run, not today, baby]. You take your sandwich out and wait for him to hit the ball short [he will because you are not giving him pace], then you attack corners, but even better a drop shot. If he gets to it, you go back and have a bite of the pickle that came with the corned beef] and start over. Saw Daniel and his family in the DR today, it was nice.
I did learn from a great coach aka you. Nice advice on the moonballer. Or I can serve body like you advise run in and smack an overhead… save the sandwich for after the match ?
Great vid! Every good tennis player has a bit of "moonballer" in them. It's a great skill to have when you don't have your A game with you or you just need to lock down and apply pressure with consistency. Looking forward to more YT vids.
2 Minute Tennis has an easy to remember solution: When you think a lob is coming TOES ON THE SERVICE LINE (be slightly in no man's land... but still far enough up to get most volleys). Make them hit the ball over you in a very tight window near the baseline consistently. This will also cut the numbers of steps you have to make backwards AND it will let you get forward momentum when they don't push the lob far enough back and you have a good overhead opportunity. What do you think of that?
Sounds like it requires strong anticipation skills and an ability to read your opponents body language. My concern would be if the moonballer does hit one deep, you wanna make sure you get back in time. Or have a strong swing volley.
when I play against a moonballer, I take it as an opportunity to examine my fundamentals. since he is pretty reliably getting the ball back, I just treat him as a ball machine, hit the ball back to him and dont try to score, see if I can outlast him
Good question. I would say no although the moon Baller does have a lot of the same characteristics that the grinder has. A very similar intention in that both are basically banking on wearing you down. The main difference is the moon. Baller is hitting high, no pace balls, we’re grinders oftencan kill you if you come to the net they can pass well or they might have one or two weapons
I’m just fresh from losing to one. It’s too painful to talk about but for me it just throws everything off rhythm and gives me too long to think about where I’m going to miss. In other words it turns tennis into golf.
Nice Connor! I Tried and tried to hit the ball hard I just couldn't create pace... Lol so instead I made myself super fast, didn't miss and and not get tired... thus the grinder... You can beat some players but the better players you are not going to beat... (they can do what you do,and create power! I have had a player say to me... "if you're gonna play like that... our match isn't gonna be that fun" I turned to him and said... "I'm not here for fun!" 😅
Moonballers are the hardest to play at the 3.0-3.5 range because they dominate by knowing that you most likely are a tennis player that wants to play tennis like the pros do. Don't kid yourself, play hard and play back moonballs to them and wait for shorter balls to chip or approach. It's a grueling match and you may not even win it, but that's recreational tennis.
You are wrong in assuming all moonballers can't generate pace. 80% of my matches i will dictate pace, but if faced with an opponent who clearly can outpace me I will moonball among other tactics rather than hit past my limit and commit a large number of unforced errors. The best advice is to add moonballing to your arsenal.
I play on a 6.0 team as a 2.5 player. I don't think of myself as a moon baller, but I can lob, have less pace on ground strokes, I tend to hit the ball lower, especially on serves and I can generate spin. In addition to the points you mentioned, I would encourage higher level players play me in practice, especially if they may be in matches against someone that is not as advanced or as strong as they are. Both you and the 2.5 player will get something from the practice.
yes, putting the moon in baller, they deserve utmost respect! I am another type of annoying gamestyle, a slice pusher, i would describe my style as push and volley. i can handle moonballers with no pace ok because i just need to wait for a short ball and chip it to a corner, but i don\t like the moonballers that can actually hit the ball with some pace as well because its hard to hit their shots back clean and create short balls. your point about 'clear intention' is bang on, my strength playing matches is simplicity, i never change grips, continental on every shot and just run my butt off. finally, agree on players don't like to move forward to balls either, when i miss hit my slice/chip shots they land short and low and since nobody volleys anymore they aren't very good and hitting transition shots like that.
It is, without a doubt, a remarkable piece that reflects on your knowledge of the game, which, of course, you must have learned from your coach, but many have that. What you have that is special is the Conor Casey humour and unbelievable delivery. How much will it cost me to have you wear an ACE hat? By the way my take on the moonballer is he can't hurt you, he loves to run and forces you to make a mistake because your intentions are not clear. Many decades ago, I figured it out. They like to run, so hit the ball back over and in the middle in the big square [he loves to run, not today, baby]. You take your sandwich out and wait for him to hit the ball short [he will because you are not giving him pace], then you attack corners, but even better a drop shot. If he gets to it, you go back and have a bite of the pickle that came with the corned beef] and start over. Saw Daniel and his family in the DR today, it was nice.
I did learn from a great coach aka you. Nice advice on the moonballer. Or I can serve body like you advise run in and smack an overhead… save the sandwich for after the match ?
Great vid! Every good tennis player has a bit of "moonballer" in them. It's a great skill to have when you don't have your A game with you or you just need to lock down and apply pressure with consistency. Looking forward to more YT vids.
Thank for making this educational and entertaining at the same time, Coach Conor!
Awesome approach to the issue very fan and true
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Love the "Bops!"
Love the long form content man! Keep up these type of videos
Thanks man, appreciate the support!
Very well put coach, now to just find my #4
Can you do a video on how to beat the slicers?
Yes I can. Most of the same stuff applies.
Never subscribed to a channel so fast! Love from the GTA! ❤
2 Minute Tennis has an easy to remember solution: When you think a lob is coming TOES ON THE SERVICE LINE (be slightly in no man's land... but still far enough up to get most volleys). Make them hit the ball over you in a very tight window near the baseline consistently. This will also cut the numbers of steps you have to make backwards AND it will let you get forward momentum when they don't push the lob far enough back and you have a good overhead opportunity.
What do you think of that?
Sounds like it requires strong anticipation skills and an ability to read your opponents body language. My concern would be if the moonballer does hit one deep, you wanna make sure you get back in time. Or have a strong swing volley.
The player who complains about moonballers like no one will understand is me 😂😂😂
This was very validating thank you🙏🙏🙏
when I play against a moonballer, I take it as an opportunity to examine my fundamentals. since he is pretty reliably getting the ball back, I just treat him as a ball machine, hit the ball back to him and dont try to score, see if I can outlast him
sounds like a productive way to get a great practice.
I will see next week i will try
Is grinder considered moonballers?
Good question. I would say no although the moon Baller does have a lot of the same characteristics that the grinder has. A very similar intention in that both are basically banking on wearing you down. The main difference is the moon. Baller is hitting high, no pace balls, we’re grinders oftencan kill you if you come to the net they can pass well or they might have one or two weapons
I’m just fresh from losing to one. It’s too painful to talk about but for me it just throws everything off rhythm and gives me too long to think about where I’m going to miss. In other words it turns tennis into golf.
Nice Connor!
I Tried and tried to hit the ball hard I just couldn't create pace...
Lol
so instead I made myself super fast, didn't miss and and not get tired... thus the grinder...
You can beat some players but the better players you are not going to beat... (they can do what you do,and create power!
I have had a player say to me...
"if you're gonna play like that... our match isn't gonna be that fun"
I turned to him and said... "I'm not here for fun!"
😅
Hah. Love it. We
Gotta love the diversity of game style. The whole basher power game is great but, where is the fun without variety?
I like how everybody thinks they are great players against "pace".
Moonballers are the hardest to play at the 3.0-3.5 range because they dominate by knowing that you most likely are a tennis player that wants to play tennis like the pros do. Don't kid yourself, play hard and play back moonballs to them and wait for shorter balls to chip or approach. It's a grueling match and you may not even win it, but that's recreational tennis.
You are wrong in assuming all moonballers can't generate pace. 80% of my matches i will dictate pace, but if faced with an opponent who clearly can outpace me I will moonball among other tactics rather than hit past my limit and commit a large number of unforced errors. The best advice is to add moonballing to your arsenal.
I play on a 6.0 team as a 2.5 player. I don't think of myself as a moon baller, but I can lob, have less pace on ground strokes, I tend to hit the ball lower, especially on serves and I can generate spin. In addition to the points you mentioned, I would encourage higher level players play me in practice, especially if they may be in matches against someone that is not as advanced or as strong as they are. Both you and the 2.5 player will get something from the practice.