@@Nick_Gir Coming from an LS guy.. the hemi engine is my favorite sounding engine out of all the v8's.. but if u think a hemi can chop as hard as an LS when it comes down to being cammed i'm starting to doubt your even a car guy..
We tuned a couple of LS swapped JKs when I was at JBA. That integration issue is a pain. They don’t make as much power as the 6.4 since they use the truck engine. The 6.2 Camaro engines cost way more than a 6.4. And there is no issue cooling a Hemi. So if there’s a problem it’s in the install particulars. We use large aftermarket oil and transmission coolers. I’ve done over 30 LS swaps and 11 Hemi swaps in everything from trucks to muscle cars and Jeeps.
The B roll for the LS engine was cracking me up. This engine is found in a yukon, shows a canyon, LS3 came in corvette shows C8 which doesn't have LS3.
One of the best explanations of this type of modification I have heard. Thanks for addressing the elephant in the room (PRICE). I did an LS3 swap in a ‘67 Corvette and that was about the same money. As much as I love the LS platform I agree with your assessment of staying with Mopar if your doing a Jeep. Of course the pocket book always rules and a used LS sometimes is the answer. Thanks again for a great vid on this subject.
Bubba I had a 5.7 installed in my 05 LJ Rubicon, (formerly Burnside, now Dakota Customs) loved the adequate power but like you said the heating issues finally convinced me to sell it.
Bought 5.3 for 4K with trans. Spent about 1500 with Novak. 2k fir computer and fuel system. 2k for labor at the shop . I have to get the exhaust , new driveshafts and done. 30k ??? Burn
I’ve had my Hemi swap now in my 2014 JK for about three months. I decided to take it on a test drive to Tahoe through death valley. The engine ran perfectly cool no issues there, outside temperature was about 110° as hot as it could be. I started going up over the pass, and smelled something funny. When I pulled over I noticed that my blowup camping mattress had melted to the carpet behind the driver seat. I cut away all the carpet, took it to the nearest shop, and had them wrap the muffler in heat tape. It’s about to go in again for a more permanent solution. But other than that driving through the heat, it had no issues. Also I can say from day one, the electronics and everything else has run perfectly, even eco mode. My suggestion would be anybody doing the swap is to pay close attention to the muffler and how close it is to the floorboards. I currently have the stock transmission, I’m waiting for the 10 speed upgrade… There’s some programming that everybody’s waiting on to get it. Great video Exodus!
How much did it cost you? Can you give me some advice before I pull the trigger? My mechanic is giving me 5.7 and a 6.4 option not sure which to choose and what’s the most I should spend on the swaps? I just don’t want to be ripped off. I have a 2013 wrangler.
@@rafetjulevic2743 around 30k, I'm pretty happy with my 5.7. The real bonus for me was it just works, there's not going to be issues like an LS. Just make sure you protect your floorboards from the exhaust lol.
@@PhilBlancett did it feel like you bought a new car. Because everyone’s telling me I should just buy a new car lol my 2013 jeep is still mint, my engine just over heated because the drive belt snapped. I had 200k miles. Did you upgrade your transmission?
@@rafetjulevic2743 waiting to upgrade it, there's still work to be done electronically but I hear the builders are close. I have the stock one and it drives great, so when the 8speed is ready I'll be putting it in. My Jeep was a Starwood motors paint job that I loved, and really I had done suspension and axles already. If you are considering this I do suggest driving a JL. Depending on what you do with your Jeep it could be a great option to go new. It's all a matter of owners choice. I'm pretty attached to my 2014 JK, but JL was on my mind too. I drove one, and the drivetrain is killer.
@@PhilBlancett I regeared my jeep, have fox shocks, fox stearing, I put it in new axles and tie rods. I spent a ton of money. The engine died on my a year later after doing all that. Now if I add the hemi I’m hoping it’ll be like a new car, and I think I’ll need a new tranny. But if I don’t do the hemi, am I able to sell the truck with no engine for good money? I’m just looking for reasons to pull the trigger and get the hemi. Lol
@@2648498 I heard a hot cam corvette it sounded a lot like a tractor and other Camaro did sound like crap on take off. Runs good but yeah they sound awful
I still want the gm swap, I have a chysler 300 srt8 with the 6.1 and it runs a little hot even with a aluminum radiator and heavy duty fans. Love the power not the heat
Like I mentioned, it seems the cooling is better now than in previous years. I have to be honest and say the GM swaps have worn me out with their issues. Drivetrain is awesome, it’s the bridge between the 2 networks that seems fickle.
I’m about to do a complete rebuild on my LSTJ going independent computer, EGR delete, and trimac transmission, the 4L60 has given me nothing but headaches
I like the 392 but the 345 is more solid.. especially if u build a older one like a 04 it has a solid cam and tough pistons ..I bet thats y the 5.7 comes in them stock..I like the no VVT..no hassle with cam issues..
the 6l80 has a .66 final drive and the wa580 has a .67...the gearing must non be the same...and this 392 has a srt-8 intake if the block is orange its a srt engine not a truck motor
That hemi looks good, easier, maybe a roof radiator kit to reduce the cooling and space issues, sure would clean up the engine bay if all it had was an ac condenser and others remote on the roof like oil cooling, trans cooling, radiator and maybe even a closed loop diff / transfer case cooling loop, go with electric pumps to put that wasted electricity to good use. Go ahead idle in traffic all day with ac on the way to the desert to play.
How reliable is the Hemi Vs the LS? I'm usually swayed by the ease of maintenance/cheap parts for GM stuff, wondering is that still the case with these newer engines, and we all know about Chrysler's reputation. (I am a Jeep owner.)
The ONLY downfall with hemi (gen 3-gen 4) is it’s fairly new to the aftermarket scene. So if money’s a problem that’s your sign. If moneys not a thing anyone who says the hemi is junk is full of complete shit and probably thinks the earth is flat.
My 2 5.7 both grenade at less than 100k. I have a 6.1 in my 300 it runs, but I LS swapped my charger after working out the disagreements between chrysler can bus and gm ecu I'll take the LS any day of the week. It runs smoother has more power and will smoke my SRT8 6.1
Like your channel man and I will. He has been doing LT swaps a few years now says he has it down perfect now so will see I guess says the 8 speed transmission works great with it
And I dropped it off about 6 weeks ago he has the motor and transmission in a while ago I’m just waiting on the 72 inch dynatrac 60s axels to be made they should get them around the 16th but he did tell me they were 3 weeks backed up cause of the virus had to shut down a little while getting a beefed up atlas ll I’m hoping that comes when the axels do
LS all the way, hemi's are hot but break more often, too many parts and more complicated to rebuild due to head design, far more options for LS, parts are usually cheaper and more accessible too
Doesn't the LS swap require a CANBUS conversion unit that allows the GM sensors to operate and be converted to Chrysler's signalling? That's what I was told when I called a few of the big LS swap shops like Motech. That's a major reason I went to the Hemi because its just a flash on the ECU meaning there's no additional crap to fail on me. I was told one year multiple people at EJS had their Motech "box" fail and they were 6 weeks behind on backorders so people had to get their Jeeps towed home. I have no idea if these stories are true, but it was enough to scare me off doing an LS swap. Edit: You talked about it @ 5:10. That's a major point of failure. Yuk. I can take my JKU to a Dodge Dealer and have the service department work on it.
Its clear... The men is a CHEVY BOY. Its waaaaay better the 392 than the 6.2. Im stock form it produces at least 490 hp. He dont know nothing about hes talking
@Exodus 4x4 say I already have 2012 2013 , 5.3 ls ,with trans and t case for either jk or gm, and all accessories, ecm, gas pedal and bracket, engine harness etc. , not including mods to motor, transmission etc. Pretty much mounts ,harness adapters, to run engine and trans, and all jk instrument panel work like stock. Do u have a # u can throw out there ? Just sumwhat close
I wish Jeep would wake up and offer a Hemi from the factory. I really like the sound of the LS ! I can see why the 392 is more practical, both are great engines.
Not many people willing to pay $100k for a Jeep off the lot, those who are have no problem taking it to a shop that will do it for them. Jeep would lose money engineering and producing that vehicle
@@tonyestrada6747 Idt you're giving Jeep enough credit on some of the weird shit they'd be willing to do. They do make a 6.2L 707 hp Cherokee after all, you're paying almost 90K for it but they put it out and people are buying them. I personally think the people who would be willing to fork over the cash to pay a shop to Hemi swap their Jeep would rather just buy it new from the lot that way. They can just drive off the lot and actually have fun with it instead of picking one up, and giving it to the shop for months on end, then having to worry about what could go wrong depending on who they took it to or warranty issues, electrical gremlins, etc.
@@c4onmylip thats true or you can just wait a couple years and buy a used hemi Cherokee for way less either way what your saying is better, I wouldn't give a shop 30k to do that it doesn't make sense
@@vee950 yeah, I agree. I don't think the hemi cherokees are gonna go down that much in price to be honest though. They only made them fir a few years (I think this year or next year is gonna be the last year for them) and are relatively low volume so I think they might hold their value, which was close to or over 90k. They were dumb expensive. Honestly, the cheapest route would to probably finding a wrecked SRT or hellcar and doing the swap yourself, but it'll be alot of work for us normal guys.
I feel like the Coyote would be a lot harder to swap, mainly for the fact that the heads on it are massive, the hemi heads are pretty big but the Yote's are bigger, not a whole lot of room to shoehorn that thing in there but I'm sure it could be done!
So... Since the JK & JL is a "passenger vehicle" and the JT is a "truck", does that mean that you can now put LS motors in the Gladiators again? I have been wondering which direction I would go with my 2020 JTR (8-speed auto)... But I'm leaning towards the 6.4 Hemi, if I can get it done under $25K...
Thank you for the video, excellent information. As far as trail performance, rock crawling at a hard trail like moab, how do they perform is one better then the other?. Thank you.
IN THIS PARTICULAR COMPARISON THE HEMI LOOKS CLEANER BUT IVE SEEN LS SWAPS LOOK SUPER SUPER CLEAN AS WELL. I KNOW A DIFFERENT INTAKE MANIFOLD WOULD LOOK ALOT BETTER..AS LONG AS THE ENGINES DONT HAVE DOD I HONESTLY THINK THEY BOTH ARE GREAT ENGINES. AS LONG AS ITS A GEN 4+ HEMI THEY ARE A GREAT OPTION. MY DADS GOT THE 6.0 AND ITS GOT A VETTE INTAKE MANIFOLD AND SOME OTHER BOLT ONS AND A CAM. I DO LIKE HAVING THE GM TRANSMISSION. ALSO THE LIGHWEIGHT ALUMINUM BLOCK HELPS WITH STEERING COMPONENT WEAR AND TEAR.
The 5.7 is one of the toughest v8s that dodge has, handles about 15psi of boost (~1500hp with full bolt ons) so if you want to make a racing motor the 5.7 isn’t a bad choice
@@braedentrebell3718 for that motor to take 15 psi of boost you need to stroke it out to a much less compression ratio or else I don't know if it can even take 3 or 4 psi!
I have a 2020 Gladiator. Not really interested in a swap at this time but wondering about options for this platform. I rarely see anyone talk about doing a swap with a 5.7 liter Hemi. What is the reason this? Not enough bang for the buck? or something technical. My main priority would be reliability and as close to seamless integration as possible. Thanks, Brian
Wait. I'm lost. Why can't a gen 5 LS be swapped in?? So something from a 2015+ camaro some other car "passenger vehicle" is a no-go because what exactly? Please and thanks.
As time goes by that’s not real true anymore. I’ve done 30+ LS swaps in older GM cars and trucks. 11 Hemi swaps. GM crate engines are more expensive. Out of the wrecking yards like LKQ they are about the same.
@@blueduster74I’ve been saying the same thing for the last year 1/2 now as well.. LS is hardly budget friendly anymore although it has more aftermarket support, the aftermarket parts have gotten even more expensive for LS engines.
do you have any info on older engines from the 1990's? what about an old LT4 vortec out of a C/K truck or a 318 magnum out of a dakota or durango? or even a 5.9L from an dodge R/T truck? and for the newer engines what about a coyote from ford? are any of these viable for a swap into a JK?
I would love to see you show the process of why $35,000 is the cost of this swap. I personally do not understand why it cost as much as a nice new car to get this Hemi swap done?
Is the Chevy SS considered a passenger vehicle? They mad those from '14 thru '17 and they came with the LS3. Or is there something else thats keeping LS swaps on jeep to '15 and older?
The 6.4 is in that is rated at 485 hp not 410 and is actually making 500hp at the crank no cam swap required. And the cam swap is not any harder. The truck 6.4 is rated at 410hp but has a different intake. Your only producing the extra hp if your running wide open throttle, if they are going the same speed they are making the same heat, if your having cooling problems with the hemi in that it is installer error, tuner error or bad parts somewhere. There is no reason to be having cooling problems. One electronic system is bad enough two is a nightmare.
@@Exodus4x4 I dont actually know, thats why I was asking you. You mentioned LS for 2015 and older and you talked about the Hemi. But you didnt say anything about the newer LT motors from GM. So apparently you dont like them. Are there any other options for engine swaps? Are there any diesel engines you like? Any to avoid? Thanks for the advice.
Not a fan of diesels in the Jeeps, plus they won’t pass federal emissions guidelines for swaps. In my opinion the Hemi is the only real option for anything newer than 2015.
@@Exodus4x4 I would say ask motech, they should know. But you probably did, I just see him promoting his LT swaps including the gm 8/10 speed. Only know the hemi swaps, LS is illegal over here.
@@Exodus4x4 Thanks. I am currently the proud owner of a 2014 JKU that I have significantly beefed up for overlanding/off-roading but the factory 3.6 is on its last leg. I am looking for the most "affordable" option for engine replacement with something better than the crappy 3.6 that comes in it. But there's a catch, I have a $10k budget that I want to stay as close as possible to.
@exodus 4x4, nice explanation! Definitely will go for a 392 or Hellcat! Do you know if some skid plates are compatible, or do you have to go custom plates when you engine swap?
Exodus Jeeps so do you do those as well? No rush lol BUT when I get the Gladiator built the way I want it AND paid for... that would be the mod I wanna do then! We will talk before then! On a side note I am halfway to our goal on what’s actually only phase 1 lol you make a video and I want more stuff lol
From what I've seen lurking in the jeep forums, you can run a manual NVG 4500 with a 6.0 ls but it'll add 3-5k and some other headaches to the build, don't know if it's actually worth it imo.
I recently picked up a low mileage 5.7 Hemi with the ZF8 8speed auto and transfer case from a 2015 Ram 4x4 I plan on installing this in my 2012 Wrangler Sport with 6spd manual. Do you know if anyone makes a kit to use the 8 speed trans in the JK?
Look up jeepspeed on youtube. They have full install kits AND ARE FINALIZING THE 8SPEED INSTALL!! They have vids with them installed and fully functional onvyoutube!!
@@Exodus4x4 7k range same as the aev and the rebranded aev kits. That is for the older kit that used the 5speed. So i assume its going to be about the same, maybe 1k more since it requires an additional harness, trans brackets and the shifter out of a charger/ challenger
6.4 hemi 410 hp? I think you guys used the truck engine. The srt 392 is 485hp but I see the intake is an srt. Also the nag1 didn't come in the trucks, it came in the car/jeeps which are srt. So yes hp rating is way off. Also throw a cam in a 6.4 and new lifters and springs, and you got a pretty dang good motor.
I think if you were to actually Offroad it like I do, it would be hard to keep cool with fans screaming at 100%. I could be wrong though. Besides, do you really need that much power in your Jeep?
Mopar makes a 426 (Aluminum) HEMI Gen III Crate Engine: The Mopar 426 Aluminum HEMI Gen III Crate engine assembly includes the intake manifold and oil pan and offers 540 horsepower and 530 ft.-lbs. of torque. Part Number (PN): P5155513; Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price (MSRP): $13,675.
don't worry, if you're willing to put the money in for a v8 swap in a newer jeep in Cali, you probably already know the loopholes on out of state tagging if you can't pass emissions with it lmao. "hey bro, Nice Montana plate, what brings you down here?"
so confusing. they say do your research prior to the engine swap. seems like there are two schools of thought LS and HEMI. i am close to the end of the life of my engine, though a mall crawler, it has 173k. i love my build, and do not want to spend 90 plus K on a new 2024 rubicon392, engine swap seems the best option for me. i am not going to race this jeep. i have a slow 2010 3.8 v6 and either way ls or hemi, my hp will double. i am interested in which seems more reliable. which has more more parts in the inventory, which has less computer errors. i would also love to keep it manual. that seems to be a major issue and also another school of thought, manual vs auto.
Tbh I've always liked the sound of a HEMI better than the LS or the 5.0. However I will say all V8's sound good
Cammed ls is undefeated
@@lukepallis5129 fake news. Cammed hemi has that chop
@@Nick_Gir Coming from an LS guy.. the hemi engine is my favorite sounding engine out of all the v8's.. but if u think a hemi can chop as hard as an LS when it comes down to being cammed i'm starting to doubt your even a car guy..
I wouldn't have one but my favorite is the old school ford 5.0. crank one of them up catches my attention every time.
We tuned a couple of LS swapped JKs when I was at JBA. That integration issue is a pain. They don’t make as much power as the 6.4 since they use the truck engine. The 6.2 Camaro engines cost way more than a 6.4.
And there is no issue cooling a Hemi. So if there’s a problem it’s in the install particulars. We use large aftermarket oil and transmission coolers. I’ve done over 30 LS swaps and 11 Hemi swaps in everything from trucks to muscle cars and Jeeps.
The B roll for the LS engine was cracking me up. This engine is found in a yukon, shows a canyon, LS3 came in corvette shows C8 which doesn't have LS3.
Literally had me cracking up as well lol B roll for LS engines.. *just shows LT cars*
I scrolled down to make sure someone said it...
I agree with you. Had this conversation yesterday with someone. The integration and cleanness of that install is the way to go IMO.
Yep!
One of the best explanations of this type of modification I have heard. Thanks for addressing the elephant in the room (PRICE). I did an LS3 swap in a ‘67 Corvette and that was about the same money. As much as I love the LS platform I agree with your assessment of staying with Mopar if your doing a Jeep. Of course the pocket book always rules and a used LS sometimes is the answer. Thanks again for a great vid on this subject.
Glad it was helpful!
Nice! 6.4L SRT Hemi all day long!
till you drop a lifter or valve guide lol. had to put a new 6.4 in my jeep with 72k on it
Bubba I had a 5.7 installed in my 05 LJ Rubicon, (formerly Burnside, now Dakota Customs) loved the adequate power but like you said the heating issues finally convinced me to sell it.
Did u try a manual and electric fan?
Hellcat cooler, and forged pistons
The upcoming 7.3 Godzilla swaps are going to be epic. They are essentially a modern-day big block- or as close to a big-block as we get today.
Comment made before the zz632 lol
@@christophercrowe6971that’s a full blown crate/race motor lmao..
I installed a 5.7 Hemi in a Gladiator a few months ago. It was a nice fit and there is more room under the hood for one then the JK.
Jeff Wright How did it come out.
How tough is it to do?
I may tackle that profject as 5.7 Hemi are cheap and plentiful.
Bought 5.3 for 4K with trans. Spent about 1500 with Novak. 2k fir computer and fuel system. 2k for labor at the shop . I have to get the exhaust , new driveshafts and done. 30k ??? Burn
I’ve had my Hemi swap now in my 2014 JK for about three months. I decided to take it on a test drive to Tahoe through death valley. The engine ran perfectly cool no issues there, outside temperature was about 110° as hot as it could be. I started going up over the pass, and smelled something funny. When I pulled over I noticed that my blowup camping mattress had melted to the carpet behind the driver seat. I cut away all the carpet, took it to the nearest shop, and had them wrap the muffler in heat tape. It’s about to go in again for a more permanent solution. But other than that driving through the heat, it had no issues. Also I can say from day one, the electronics and everything else has run perfectly, even eco mode. My suggestion would be anybody doing the swap is to pay close attention to the muffler and how close it is to the floorboards. I currently have the stock transmission, I’m waiting for the 10 speed upgrade… There’s some programming that everybody’s waiting on to get it. Great video Exodus!
How much did it cost you? Can you give me some advice before I pull the trigger? My mechanic is giving me 5.7 and a 6.4 option not sure which to choose and what’s the most I should spend on the swaps? I just don’t want to be ripped off. I have a 2013 wrangler.
@@rafetjulevic2743 around 30k, I'm pretty happy with my 5.7. The real bonus for me was it just works, there's not going to be issues like an LS. Just make sure you protect your floorboards from the exhaust lol.
@@PhilBlancett did it feel like you bought a new car. Because everyone’s telling me I should just buy a new car lol my 2013 jeep is still mint, my engine just over heated because the drive belt snapped. I had 200k miles. Did you upgrade your transmission?
@@rafetjulevic2743 waiting to upgrade it, there's still work to be done electronically but I hear the builders are close. I have the stock one and it drives great, so when the 8speed is ready I'll be putting it in. My Jeep was a Starwood motors paint job that I loved, and really I had done suspension and axles already. If you are considering this I do suggest driving a JL. Depending on what you do with your Jeep it could be a great option to go new. It's all a matter of owners choice. I'm pretty attached to my 2014 JK, but JL was on my mind too. I drove one, and the drivetrain is killer.
@@PhilBlancett I regeared my jeep, have fox shocks, fox stearing, I put it in new axles and tie rods. I spent a ton of money. The engine died on my a year later after doing all that. Now if I add the hemi I’m hoping it’ll be like a new car, and I think I’ll need a new tranny. But if I don’t do the hemi, am I able to sell the truck with no engine for good money? I’m just looking for reasons to pull the trigger and get the hemi. Lol
Cam in that LS sounds good. I wish the hemi swapped one had a more aggressive cam.
The ls sounds like 8 angry weedeaters in a dumpster. Hemi sounds way better
I have never, ever, ever heard a good sounding LS
@@2648498 I heard a hot cam corvette it sounded a lot like a tractor and other Camaro did sound like crap on take off. Runs good but yeah they sound awful
I still want the gm swap, I have a chysler 300 srt8 with the 6.1 and it runs a little hot even with a aluminum radiator and heavy duty fans. Love the power not the heat
Like I mentioned, it seems the cooling is better now than in previous years. I have to be honest and say the GM swaps have worn me out with their issues. Drivetrain is awesome, it’s the bridge between the 2 networks that seems fickle.
Ya im going hemi all day less of a nightmare electronically and also 485hp box stock! Do a cam and headers and tune iv seen 560+ crank hp.
Ceramic coating, cylinder head polishing, camshaft upgrade paired with a fitting gearbox and you're good to go.
I’m about to do a complete rebuild on my LSTJ
going independent computer, EGR delete, and trimac transmission, the 4L60 has given me nothing but headaches
I like the 392 but the 345 is more solid.. especially if u build a older one like a 04 it has a solid cam and tough pistons ..I bet thats y the 5.7 comes in them stock..I like the no VVT..no hassle with cam issues..
Man your all over UA-cam lol
@@1coop164 I spend a lot of time reviewing these engines man..its my life 😅 I work at a speed shop. I'm into LS hard-core too
And you can find one for a lot less money
the VVT is better tho and an advantage with the eagle heads
the 6l80 has a .66 final drive and the wa580 has a .67...the gearing must non be the same...and this 392 has a srt-8 intake if the block is orange its a srt engine not a truck motor
What exactly does a hemi swap consist of and what kind of upgrades would need to be done to other areas with the increase in power and torque.
Complete drivetrain replacement. I recommend replacing the axles to at least D60 so you have enough ring and pinion to handle the new torque.
Hemi sounds better but cam lope on the LS is cool. Hemi with a cam would be killer.
That hemi looks good, easier, maybe a roof radiator kit to reduce the cooling and space issues, sure would clean up the engine bay if all it had was an ac condenser and others remote on the roof like oil cooling, trans cooling, radiator and maybe even a closed loop diff / transfer case cooling loop, go with electric pumps to put that wasted electricity to good use. Go ahead idle in traffic all day with ac on the way to the desert to play.
All those wires and hoses; how'd you know what is what and what goes to where?
Experience
How reliable is the Hemi Vs the LS? I'm usually swayed by the ease of maintenance/cheap parts for GM stuff, wondering is that still the case with these newer engines, and we all know about Chrysler's reputation. (I am a Jeep owner.)
Exactly
The ONLY downfall with hemi (gen 3-gen 4) is it’s fairly new to the aftermarket scene. So if money’s a problem that’s your sign. If moneys not a thing anyone who says the hemi is junk is full of complete shit and probably thinks the earth is flat.
Bout the same as a ls just more expensive do not under any circumstances overheat it though
@@austindoud273 hemi crates seem to be less expensive then ls though
My 2 5.7 both grenade at less than 100k. I have a 6.1 in my 300 it runs, but I LS swapped my charger after working out the disagreements between chrysler can bus and gm ecu I'll take the LS any day of the week. It runs smoother has more power and will smoke my SRT8 6.1
Can’t wait to see your HEMI swap project.
Lots of good info, thanks for taking the time to share it!
I have Robbie at mo tech dropping a LT1 with a 8 speed right now can’t wait to get it back
Cool. I’d be interested to know how long it takes and how well it operates with the Chrysler canbus network.
Like your channel man and I will. He has been doing LT swaps a few years now says he has it down perfect now so will see I guess says the 8 speed transmission works great with it
And I dropped it off about 6 weeks ago he has the motor and transmission in a while ago I’m just waiting on the 72 inch dynatrac 60s axels to be made they should get them around the 16th but he did tell me they were 3 weeks backed up cause of the virus had to shut down a little while getting a beefed up atlas ll I’m hoping that comes when the axels do
That’s good news. Looking forward to the update. Oh and thanks for watching the videos, greatly appreciated!
LS all the way, hemi's are hot but break more often, too many parts and more complicated to rebuild due to head design, far more options for LS, parts are usually cheaper and more accessible too
Case closed thats why LS dominates builds all over the world and Hemi gets melted into trash recepticols.
Sorry mr know it all. They dont break and are not complicated.
@@antilaw9911 other than swallowing valve seats and chewing up cams.......and I am a Mopar guy.
Hellcats on top. U can’t name a stock Chevy that can run 9s right? Exactly
@@srtsoulsnatcher1211 bunch of unreliable garbage
Doesn't the LS swap require a CANBUS conversion unit that allows the GM sensors to operate and be converted to Chrysler's signalling? That's what I was told when I called a few of the big LS swap shops like Motech. That's a major reason I went to the Hemi because its just a flash on the ECU meaning there's no additional crap to fail on me. I was told one year multiple people at EJS had their Motech "box" fail and they were 6 weeks behind on backorders so people had to get their Jeeps towed home. I have no idea if these stories are true, but it was enough to scare me off doing an LS swap.
Edit: You talked about it @ 5:10. That's a major point of failure. Yuk.
I can take my JKU to a Dodge Dealer and have the service department work on it.
Yeah we’ve done several and they had their fair share of issues, thats why we quit doing them.
Jeepspeed has the kit to swap in the 8speed from the newer hemis
I love the 8 speed and 5.7 in my Ram.
Its clear... The men is a CHEVY BOY. Its waaaaay better the 392 than the 6.2. Im stock form it produces at least 490 hp. He dont know nothing about hes talking
So is it cheaper to do hemi swap or.the ls?
Ls lot wiring components to buy ,
Hemi motor and trans more expensive
Do they about even out in price?
It’s not far off. We just do the LT’s and Hemi’s now, and you’ll get more bang for your buck out of the LT package. Used, but you the 8 speed.
@Exodus 4x4 say I already have 2012 2013 , 5.3 ls ,with trans and t case for either jk or gm, and all accessories, ecm, gas pedal and bracket, engine harness etc. , not including mods to motor, transmission etc. Pretty much mounts ,harness adapters, to run engine and trans, and all jk instrument panel work like stock. Do u have a # u can throw out there ? Just sumwhat close
I wish Jeep would wake up and offer a Hemi from the factory. I really like the sound of the LS ! I can see why the 392 is more practical, both are great engines.
Not many people willing to pay $100k for a Jeep off the lot, those who are have no problem taking it to a shop that will do it for them. Jeep would lose money engineering and producing that vehicle
@@tonyestrada6747 Idt you're giving Jeep enough credit on some of the weird shit they'd be willing to do. They do make a 6.2L 707 hp Cherokee after all, you're paying almost 90K for it but they put it out and people are buying them. I personally think the people who would be willing to fork over the cash to pay a shop to Hemi swap their Jeep would rather just buy it new from the lot that way. They can just drive off the lot and actually have fun with it instead of picking one up, and giving it to the shop for months on end, then having to worry about what could go wrong depending on who they took it to or warranty issues, electrical gremlins, etc.
@@tonyestrada6747 LOL it wouldn't cost near that much as a factory option. Probably more like $5,000.
@@c4onmylip thats true or you can just wait a couple years and buy a used hemi Cherokee for way less either way what your saying is better, I wouldn't give a shop 30k to do that it doesn't make sense
@@vee950 yeah, I agree. I don't think the hemi cherokees are gonna go down that much in price to be honest though. They only made them fir a few years (I think this year or next year is gonna be the last year for them) and are relatively low volume so I think they might hold their value, which was close to or over 90k. They were dumb expensive. Honestly, the cheapest route would to probably finding a wrecked SRT or hellcar and doing the swap yourself, but it'll be alot of work for us normal guys.
Do you plan on doing a 5.0L Coyote swap Wrangler as well.
I feel like the Coyote would be a lot harder to swap, mainly for the fact that the heads on it are massive, the hemi heads are pretty big but the Yote's are bigger, not a whole lot of room to shoehorn that thing in there but I'm sure it could be done!
@@jaymoe5.7 Right. Just something alittle different than a typical LS swap.
@@CJColvin oh absolutely, I like seeing something a bit different too
@@jaymoe5.7 Awesome brother.
Anyone know a good and reliable place to do 6.4 hemi in a 1998 Dodge Ram 1500 sport
So... Since the JK & JL is a "passenger vehicle" and the JT is a "truck", does that mean that you can now put LS motors in the Gladiators again?
I have been wondering which direction I would go with my 2020 JTR (8-speed auto)... But I'm leaning towards the 6.4 Hemi, if I can get it done under $25K...
Actually the Wrangler is classified as a truck by CAFE.
@@Exodus4x4 CAFE? Now they have restaurants rating these vehicles? No wonder the EPA is so screwed up...
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Motech is already putting in the GEN V (2015 after) and it’s legal
Lol, yeah they are. Haven’t seen one yet that runs but they are putting them in there.
LS won the sound check!
Thank you for the video, excellent information. As far as trail performance, rock crawling at a hard trail like moab, how do they perform is one better then the other?. Thank you.
How about a Briggs and Stratton swap?
That’ll add an easy 10hp
Damn that LS sounds sick af !!
Too bad can’t go into my 2016 jku
Just put one of those LT4s in it
Both are great engines, depend your application.
IN THIS PARTICULAR COMPARISON THE HEMI LOOKS CLEANER BUT IVE SEEN LS SWAPS LOOK SUPER SUPER CLEAN AS WELL. I KNOW A DIFFERENT INTAKE MANIFOLD WOULD LOOK ALOT BETTER..AS LONG AS THE ENGINES DONT HAVE DOD I HONESTLY THINK THEY BOTH ARE GREAT ENGINES. AS LONG AS ITS A GEN 4+ HEMI THEY ARE A GREAT OPTION. MY DADS GOT THE 6.0 AND ITS GOT A VETTE INTAKE MANIFOLD AND SOME OTHER BOLT ONS AND A CAM. I DO LIKE HAVING THE GM TRANSMISSION. ALSO THE LIGHWEIGHT ALUMINUM BLOCK HELPS WITH STEERING COMPONENT WEAR AND TEAR.
that's a 392 6.4 hemi, the 392 version of the 6.4 is a srt branded one and has 485hp, it's different then the basic 6.4 that comes in like the rams
the 30K price tag is that all the suspension and what not or just the motor and trans?
Motor and trans
Does anyone do a 5.7 hemi swap? Like junk yard motor swap? 30k for a engine swap after spending 40-50k on a new gladiator is crazy....
Rubitrux does a 5.7 hemi swap for 24k and 6.4 for 30k www.rubitrux.com/jeep-wrangler-jl-jk-gladiator-jt-hemi-conversions-swaps.html
The 5.7 is one of the toughest v8s that dodge has, handles about 15psi of boost (~1500hp with full bolt ons) so if you want to make a racing motor the 5.7 isn’t a bad choice
@@braedentrebell3718 for that motor to take 15 psi of boost you need to stroke it out to a much less compression ratio or else I don't know if it can even take 3 or 4 psi!
Not true, junkyard hemi built one exactly as shown and all he did was gap the piston rings and it handled 1500lb. But check it out and see
@@hassanabas1549 bone stock without ring gap, you can go 8psi safely, with ring gap, you can go into the teens, and make a ton of HP
I have a raptor motor V6 twin turbo with 6sp trans and transfer case, can you help to get it into a Jeep JK 2011 2dr???
That’s a lot more complicated than you think. Short answer is no.
Bummer that’s what everyone is saying to bad it would be fun... thx
I have a 2020 Gladiator. Not really interested in a swap at this time but wondering about options for this platform. I rarely see anyone talk about doing a swap with a 5.7 liter Hemi. What is the reason this? Not enough bang for the buck? or something technical. My main priority would be reliability and as close to seamless integration as possible. Thanks, Brian
A 5.7 will swap just as easily as the 6.4, but you’re right. Most people want the most bang for their buck. That’s the SRT motor.
Wait. I'm lost. Why can't a gen 5 LS be swapped in?? So something from a 2015+ camaro some other car "passenger vehicle" is a no-go because what exactly?
Please and thanks.
Gen5 is not a LS. Haven’t seen what I would consider a successful swap using the Gen5 GM small block.
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OooOooh ok. I imagine the electronics are too complicated currently. Maybe it'd be feasible at a later date.
What about people that have the manual transmission is there a V8 swap?
Hemi because mopar.
Ls because it can be done for 25% of the cost 🤣
As time goes by that’s not real true anymore. I’ve done 30+ LS swaps in older GM cars and trucks. 11 Hemi swaps. GM crate engines are more expensive. Out of the wrecking yards like LKQ they are about the same.
@@blueduster74I’ve been saying the same thing for the last year 1/2 now as well.. LS is hardly budget friendly anymore although it has more aftermarket support, the aftermarket parts have gotten even more expensive for LS engines.
That jk with the hemi is bulit at jones jeeps it said, and it is clean!
Yeah, that did a great job!
LS all day. 💪
boring
@@BENDOVER-xr8pc bet youve never driven a car with an ls
@@Young_Blueberry_ bet he's never REALLY driven a truck...
Cam lope in the LS took it on sound🔥
do you have any info on older engines from the 1990's? what about an old LT4 vortec out of a C/K truck or a 318 magnum out of a dakota or durango? or even a 5.9L from an dodge R/T truck?
and for the newer engines what about a coyote from ford? are any of these viable for a swap into a JK?
You can swap anything if you make it stand alone, but chances of passing emissions are slim.
@@Exodus4x4 where I live there are no emission laws. Most of us don't run cats on our rigs and don't even get me started on the dissle guys.
@@camerons6028 No emission laws?! Where the hell do you live?!
Great Video Bubba!
🎉 all I want is an aluminum bloc 4.8 with good fuel economy!
I would love to see you show the process of why $35,000 is the cost of this swap. I personally do not understand why it cost as much as a nice new car to get this Hemi swap done?
There’s an incredible amount of R&D that goes into these swaps to make them look and perform like OEM, that’s why.
That’s way I would love to see the process! So people understand including my self where all that money go’s.
The 392 Hemi pushes out 485 hp and 475 lb.ft in car trim, 411 hp and 429 lb.ft in pickup trim.
Is the Chevy SS considered a passenger vehicle? They mad those from '14 thru '17 and they came with the LS3. Or is there something else thats keeping LS swaps on jeep to '15 and older?
You are correct but they did not produce the SS in the United States but rathe run Australia, so it doesn't count.
@@Exodus4x4 It was sold in the US though so it does count. But is was sold is such low numbers finding one would be difficult.
Any way to get this working with a manual transmission?
Coming soon
can not wait. @@Exodus4x4
Wonder if these conversions can be done on Right Hand Drive wrangler?
I love your videos... man! Good content here
can you put a 10 speed transmission in any kind of wrangler?
The first thing anyone ever says about Hemi swaps is overheating. Is it still a big deal, or just legacy problems being perpetuated?
I don’t think it’s the issue is was before.
The 6.4 is in that is rated at 485 hp not 410 and is actually making 500hp at the crank no cam swap required. And the cam swap is not any harder. The truck 6.4 is rated at 410hp but has a different intake. Your only producing the extra hp if your running wide open throttle, if they are going the same speed they are making the same heat, if your having cooling problems with the hemi in that it is installer error, tuner error or bad parts somewhere. There is no reason to be having cooling problems. One electronic system is bad enough two is a nightmare.
So whats wrong with the new GM LT motors like the 5.3 and 6.2 for 2016 and newer Jeeps?
Show me an actual swap that isn’t plagued with a bunch of “work arounds” and can be done in a matter of days without issues.
@@Exodus4x4 I dont actually know, thats why I was asking you. You mentioned LS for 2015 and older and you talked about the Hemi. But you didnt say anything about the newer LT motors from GM. So apparently you dont like them. Are there any other options for engine swaps? Are there any diesel engines you like? Any to avoid? Thanks for the advice.
Not a fan of diesels in the Jeeps, plus they won’t pass federal emissions guidelines for swaps. In my opinion the Hemi is the only real option for anything newer than 2015.
@@Exodus4x4 I would say ask motech, they should know. But you probably did, I just see him promoting his LT swaps including the gm 8/10 speed. Only know the hemi swaps, LS is illegal over here.
Wouldn't a 5.7 liter Hemi be significantly cheaper? And why is the Hemi swap the same price if it takes less work and extras to install it?
5.7 is only a few thousand cheaper. Hemi is typically an SRT crate engine and are inherently more expensive
@@Exodus4x4 Thanks. I am currently the proud owner of a 2014 JKU that I have significantly beefed up for overlanding/off-roading but the factory 3.6 is on its last leg. I am looking for the most "affordable" option for engine replacement with something better than the crappy 3.6 that comes in it. But there's a catch, I have a $10k budget that I want to stay as close as possible to.
Would the Challenger 3.6 fit in the Wrangler, somewhat a bit more power and torque.
this sounds like a great idea. all the cost of the swap for virtually no benefit.
Does it pass smog in California
HEMI SWAP...2004 model with the 545 rfe no cons jus pros! Jus need more after market parts..🙄
Are you guys opened tomorrow? I'd like to swing by and chat about some work on my gladiator
Is the manual to auto swap the same concept for either engine?
Yes
Why not do a carb style intake with Holley EFI? Seems simple.
Why would you do that you already have efi
@exodus 4x4, nice explanation! Definitely will go for a 392 or Hellcat! Do you know if some skid plates are compatible, or do you have to go custom plates when you engine swap?
There is a Lite Brite video somewhere that describes a shop building them, but I can’t remember who.
Well, this new Hurricane 3.0 Inline 6 is supposed to replace the Hemi line of motors.
Have you ever down a supercharger or turbo with both v8s
People have tried to get me to do it and I won’t. Not a solid idea for the Jeep
I do like Hemi But what’s the Hellcat comparison
I think those are 707hp. Swap is a LOT more though. Above $50k
Exodus Jeeps so do you do those as well? No rush lol BUT when I get the Gladiator built the way I want it AND paid for... that would be the mod I wanna do then! We will talk before then! On a side note I am halfway to our goal on what’s actually only phase 1 lol you make a video and I want more stuff lol
Lol, yes we do install Hemis.
The hemis sound amazing.
I'd love an LS Jeep. What about Jeeps with manual transmission?
You have to convert to an automatic. It’s not hard, we’ve done it before.
@@Exodus4x4 Boo! A manual V8 would be awesome.
Can do manual hemi, that’s what I’ve got going in my Jeep right now.
From what I've seen lurking in the jeep forums, you can run a manual NVG 4500 with a 6.0 ls but it'll add 3-5k and some other headaches to the build, don't know if it's actually worth it imo.
What about an eco diesel swap?
Are you saying the Camaro is not a passenger vehicle?
Not at all, they just didn’t offer a Gen4 engine in the Camaro after 2015. Might have been sooner actually.
Definitely Hemi. 485HP and 475lbtq is awesome to behold.
I recently picked up a low mileage 5.7 Hemi with the ZF8 8speed auto and transfer case from a 2015 Ram 4x4 I plan on installing this in my 2012 Wrangler Sport with 6spd manual.
Do you know if anyone makes a kit to use the 8 speed trans in the JK?
I don’t. The 5 speed ant terrible though.
I was just hoping to take advantage of the 8 spd gearing. I’ve also heard good things about the 5spd. Thanks for the reply.
Look up jeepspeed on youtube. They have full install kits AND ARE FINALIZING THE 8SPEED INSTALL!! They have vids with them installed and fully functional onvyoutube!!
Any word on how much that costs though? I’ve heard it was pretty expensive. Not that V8 swaps are cheap lol.
@@Exodus4x4 7k range same as the aev and the rebranded aev kits. That is for the older kit that used the 5speed. So i assume its going to be about the same, maybe 1k more since it requires an additional harness, trans brackets and the shifter out of a charger/ challenger
A hemi swapped jeep makes sense cause it’s part of the Chrysler group.
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6.4 hemi 410 hp? I think you guys used the truck engine. The srt 392 is 485hp but I see the intake is an srt. Also the nag1 didn't come in the trucks, it came in the car/jeeps which are srt. So yes hp rating is way off. Also throw a cam in a 6.4 and new lifters and springs, and you got a pretty dang good motor.
I thought most of GM's Van's fall under the [Passenger Vehicle] classification and GM makes plenty of V8 powered unibody Van's.
I've been seeing people put in the hellcat engines in the jeeps now. What is your opinion on the hellcat?
I think if you were to actually Offroad it like I do, it would be hard to keep cool with fans screaming at 100%. I could be wrong though. Besides, do you really need that much power in your Jeep?
Yes. Yes I do.
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5.3 800$ max 4l80 1k$ stand alone harness 250$ cam and springs 400$ that’s already pushing 400 hp throw some heads and a intake 500hp
That looked like a srt 392 hemi which is 485hp stock the truck 6.4 hemi is 410hp.
Yeah, misspoke.
Yeah, but I have an LJ...... and it needs to be emission compliant in Texas
Why nobody puts a 4.7 v8 from the grand Cherokee on a tj, in order to make a budget build
Because they are piles of junk.
Hemi sounds better. It looks better. I have seen some with an 8 speed
The l33 aluminum block 5.3l v8 was like the best chevy motors ever made and with very light building itll make insane power fuck a hemi 😂😂
@@mikebanks6704 A Hemi makes more stock. I will take it.
@@rickitysplitz7035 A hemi is also way heavier, heavier by 300 lbs at least.
Mopar makes a 426 (Aluminum) HEMI Gen III Crate Engine: The Mopar 426 Aluminum HEMI Gen III Crate engine assembly includes the intake manifold and oil pan and offers 540 horsepower and 530 ft.-lbs. of torque. Part Number (PN): P5155513; Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price (MSRP): $13,675.
Sounds awesome! Now if we can find someone that’s had that installed, that would be an interesting conversation.
Thought the hellephant price was $30k US.? And they were sold out before they hit the market.?
How about a Hellcat Hemi?!!!
So what’s the price
great information. Now to pass CA emissions.
A build like that, I would not be living in California
A stock hemi or stock LS are Cal smog legal. Even if it's slightly pumped.
don't worry, if you're willing to put the money in for a v8 swap in a newer jeep in Cali, you probably already know the loopholes on out of state tagging if you can't pass emissions with it lmao. "hey bro, Nice Montana plate, what brings you down here?"
I love hemi but that ls sounds great
so confusing. they say do your research prior to the engine swap. seems like there are two schools of thought LS and HEMI. i am close to the end of the life of my engine, though a mall crawler, it has 173k. i love my build, and do not want to spend 90 plus K on a new 2024 rubicon392, engine swap seems the best option for me. i am not going to race this jeep. i have a slow 2010 3.8 v6 and either way ls or hemi, my hp will double. i am interested in which seems more reliable. which has more more parts in the inventory, which has less computer errors. i would also love to keep it manual. that seems to be a major issue and also another school of thought, manual vs auto.
What I'd you have the Hemi engine already? How much to install
Engine alone is worth about $6-$7k. So discount that from the build and throw away the warranty.
Exodus Jeeps thank you for the answer. It’s worth the 6-7k just for warranty almost. That’s a no brainer!
Great info, thanks my man!!! 👍👊
I guess this is a dilemma i won't have to worry about. Great video for the one percenters!
C’mon man, more positive attitude!!!
@@Exodus4x4 ok...I'm am positive I will never have this dilemma.
AZHOBBIEZ doesn’t take the 1 percent to afford this a hard working middle class person can afford it