Edit: there may be a way to turn the IR off from the pedal when it's in global mode. I do wish this had been easier to find and I still think turning off the IR in the tonex software is easier cause you can see what you're doing and there are no sub menus, but it is good to know it's there and wanted everyone to have the best info possible.
Oh, what joy it is to own a brand new IK unit! It’s like having an exclusive membership to the ‘No Support Club’. I’ve only had it for three days, and already I feel so special that the Serial number is apparently already registered to someone else. It’s like winning the lottery, but instead of money, you get the mystery of an already used product. And contacting support? A delightful game of hide and seek, where they’re so good at hiding, I’m starting to doubt they exist at all. Three attempts to reach out and not a single peep! I must say, IK’s commitment to silence is truly commendable.
Being aware of the compressor is key. This holds true on the larger model. Thanks for putting that forward. It took me a couple of weeks and many headaches to figure that out. Once I did, it was smooth sailing. I've used the larger version live, running it through a Fryette PS100 and a 412 loaded with DV77s and Greenbacks. Worked very well. Having said that, I still prefer my Stealth 100 and DSL 100 with the Mr Scary mod heads. But on the whole I cannot say enough good things about either ToneX models and IK products in general.
I had similar problems when I got mine. However, I believe you can disable the cab section from the pedal itself, you have to put it in global settings mode to access it though.
Yeah, that's the other big one to know. Running a capture with an IR through a cab will yield awful results. As you say, turn the sim/IRcab off if you want to run the pedal through a real cab.
@@jeffhirshberg5171 I load captures of just the amps itself to avoid that entirely, but I turned the cab section off anyways just in case I end up loading a profile without realizing it had a IR attached to it.
Interesting, I only found a way to turn it off in the software then load that capture with no IR into the pedal. I didn't realize you could from the global settings mode. Learn something new everyday.
I had the bigger tonex pedal, but Traded it in, cos the interface was so annoying. However I might look at this, and give it ago ( interface aside) and just run it into my hx stomp.
I've only gotten to try it at NAMM a couple of times, most recently this year it was what people played through at the balaguer guitar booth and it sounds great, just like the neural plugins, you have a ton of effects and parameters to tweak. I would like one just to make captures of my gear to put up for everyone. Gotta say though, for people that just want good captures and aren't interested in having their entire rig in one unit, the tonex and tonex one are super solid options that sound very good. In fact, it would be interesting to see if they did a bigger unit with the capture hardware and multifx built in so people can have everything in one unit, cause right now to do captures you need a separate piece of gear and then for other fx you need those fx.
I quite simply have a problem with any modeler as they simply do not and can not have any nuance. Mathematically in the time it takes to strum one quick chord to get that sound you hear from a real amp you would have to strike it 1.3 million times for that sound to come around again. If you strike a chord through a modeler the tone is the same on every time for the 1.3 million times. This folks is a mathematical fact. as a tool the ToneX One is great. Late night practice, demos of new tunes etc. and at the price of an ordinary stomp box or 2 it is hard not to justify it.
I get that for sure, and I love my tube amps, plus I don't have to sit there and mess with a plugin and make sure I'm hitting that plugin at the exact right level to how I'm hitting it with the hardware, but at the same time, some players how insanely consistent digital versions of stuff are. It's great that it's becoming more and more accessible too.
I understand what you are saying, but I'm not sure how you came up with the 1.3 million? I'm not saying its wrong, but even if its true, there's no possible way we can actually hear a variance as fine as 1.3 million. If you go by the minimum variance that we can actually hear, you're going to loose over 99% of the 1.3 million, and that's if someone can actually hear any difference at all. Realistically, some people may be able to hear a difference, while others won't. Or its possible that I don't full understand the point you're trying to make. This topic doesn't come up very often, so I can't rule out a miscommunication. One other thing that I do know for certain, is with your comment on using a "real" amp. When you say real, I think you mean a real guitar amp and not something more generic like a regular pro amp used for a PA system. Either way, all we're talking about here is DSP. Real amps are not optional. You always need an analog amp and preamp. If you want to hear sound, its not optional. Using the ToneX as an example, the analog signal from the guitar goes to the ToneX and is converted to digital. The signal gets processed, then gets converted back to analog and is sent to the analog preamp circuitry in the ToneX. (Preamps are power amps, just very small, low power amps.). Then the analog signal can be sent to an analog power amp to drive a speaker. You can, of course, have a more complicated signal chain with more components, but these rules apply all systems, simple or complicated. One last thing worth mentioning, is marketing tends to complicate people's understanding of how all this stuff works. For example, digital amps. There's no such thing as a digital amp. Its a marketing term. You can't amplify a bunch of 1's and 0's, and you can't transfer a signal in the digital domain. Both have to be analog. I just want to be clear in that it sounds like you know what you're talking about. I would be very surprised if you didn't already know a good portion of what I touched on in my post. Possibly all of it. I went into detail because a lot of people read these posts and I usually get a lot of questions. Most of the confusion is from how companies market they're products. It can be very deceptive. Non of this is to say you don't know what you're talking about. I just wanted to make sure that's clear.
Edit: there may be a way to turn the IR off from the pedal when it's in global mode. I do wish this had been easier to find and I still think turning off the IR in the tonex software is easier cause you can see what you're doing and there are no sub menus, but it is good to know it's there and wanted everyone to have the best info possible.
Yeah there is. Hold ALT for 6 seconds to get into Setup > Turn the 2nd knob clockwise til it turns Red to bypass the cab.
Oh, what joy it is to own a brand new IK unit! It’s like having an exclusive membership to the ‘No Support Club’. I’ve only had it for three days, and already I feel so special that the Serial number is apparently already registered to someone else. It’s like winning the lottery, but instead of money, you get the mystery of an already used product. And contacting support? A delightful game of hide and seek, where they’re so good at hiding, I’m starting to doubt they exist at all. Three attempts to reach out and not a single peep! I must say, IK’s commitment to silence is truly commendable.
Damn I'm sorry you've been having such a hard time with yours.
Being aware of the compressor is key. This holds true on the larger model. Thanks for putting that forward. It took me a couple of weeks and many headaches to figure that out. Once I did, it was smooth sailing. I've used the larger version live, running it through a Fryette PS100 and a 412 loaded with DV77s and Greenbacks. Worked very well. Having said that, I still prefer my Stealth 100 and DSL 100 with the Mr Scary mod heads. But on the whole I cannot say enough good things about either ToneX models and IK products in general.
How do you set the compressor for high gain stuff?
@@WholeLottaBulldog I don't use it.
I had similar problems when I got mine. However, I believe you can disable the cab section from the pedal itself, you have to put it in global settings mode to access it though.
Yeah, that's the other big one to know. Running a capture with an IR through a cab will yield awful results. As you say, turn the sim/IRcab off if you want to run the pedal through a real cab.
@@jeffhirshberg5171 I load captures of just the amps itself to avoid that entirely, but I turned the cab section off anyways just in case I end up loading a profile without realizing it had a IR attached to it.
Interesting, I only found a way to turn it off in the software then load that capture with no IR into the pedal. I didn't realize you could from the global settings mode. Learn something new everyday.
@@NickySayahSina That's the way....DI captures.
@@MetalHeadProductions Exactly right. On the pedal go to global. There you'll find the "No Cab" setting.
I like the tonex quite a lot.
Absolutely love using Tonex d.i captures into a poweramp into a cab. Indistinguishable from the real thing imo
They do sound really good, that's for sure.
I had the bigger tonex pedal, but Traded it in, cos the interface was so annoying. However I might look at this, and give it ago ( interface aside) and just run it into my hx stomp.
Sounds like this particular format might not be the best option to get familiar with the Tone X software on.
Well with or without the pedal the software functions the same. I think with a few tweaks they could get it running more intuitively for users.
So can the pedal's tone stack frequency ranges be customized or is it always the same for every capure?
There are tone shaping tools within the tonex app.
Awesome video.Have you tried the quad cortex yet?What are your opinions on that
I've only gotten to try it at NAMM a couple of times, most recently this year it was what people played through at the balaguer guitar booth and it sounds great, just like the neural plugins, you have a ton of effects and parameters to tweak. I would like one just to make captures of my gear to put up for everyone.
Gotta say though, for people that just want good captures and aren't interested in having their entire rig in one unit, the tonex and tonex one are super solid options that sound very good. In fact, it would be interesting to see if they did a bigger unit with the capture hardware and multifx built in so people can have everything in one unit, cause right now to do captures you need a separate piece of gear and then for other fx you need those fx.
@@MetalHeadProductions Thanks for the reply.No effects with the tone x though correct
@@gravelrocks5588 well it also has a gate, reverb and compressor, you're just not going to get any variations of those or other effects.
@@MetalHeadProductions Pretty happy on my set up now.But maybe I'll pick one up
@@gravelrocks5588 what's great is these are so inexpensive that they're low risk to try out and mess with.
I quite simply have a problem with any modeler as they simply do not and can not have any nuance. Mathematically in the time it takes to strum one quick chord to get that sound you hear from a real amp you would have to strike it 1.3 million times for that sound to come around again. If you strike a chord through a modeler the tone is the same on every time for the 1.3 million times. This folks is a mathematical fact. as a tool the ToneX One is great. Late night practice, demos of new tunes etc. and at the price of an ordinary stomp box or 2 it is hard not to justify it.
I get that for sure, and I love my tube amps, plus I don't have to sit there and mess with a plugin and make sure I'm hitting that plugin at the exact right level to how I'm hitting it with the hardware, but at the same time, some players how insanely consistent digital versions of stuff are. It's great that it's becoming more and more accessible too.
I understand what you are saying, but I'm not sure how you came up with the 1.3 million? I'm not saying its wrong, but even if its true, there's no possible way we can actually hear a variance as fine as 1.3 million. If you go by the minimum variance that we can actually hear, you're going to loose over 99% of the 1.3 million, and that's if someone can actually hear any difference at all. Realistically, some people may be able to hear a difference, while others won't. Or its possible that I don't full understand the point you're trying to make. This topic doesn't come up very often, so I can't rule out a miscommunication.
One other thing that I do know for certain, is with your comment on using a "real" amp. When you say real, I think you mean a real guitar amp and not something more generic like a regular pro amp used for a PA system. Either way, all we're talking about here is DSP. Real amps are not optional. You always need an analog amp and preamp. If you want to hear sound, its not optional. Using the ToneX as an example, the analog signal from the guitar goes to the ToneX and is converted to digital. The signal gets processed, then gets converted back to analog and is sent to the analog preamp circuitry in the ToneX. (Preamps are power amps, just very small, low power amps.). Then the analog signal can be sent to an analog power amp to drive a speaker. You can, of course, have a more complicated signal chain with more components, but these rules apply all systems, simple or complicated. One last thing worth mentioning, is marketing tends to complicate people's understanding of how all this stuff works. For example, digital amps. There's no such thing as a digital amp. Its a marketing term. You can't amplify a bunch of 1's and 0's, and you can't transfer a signal in the digital domain. Both have to be analog.
I just want to be clear in that it sounds like you know what you're talking about. I would be very surprised if you didn't already know a good portion of what I touched on in my post. Possibly all of it. I went into detail because a lot of people read these posts and I usually get a lot of questions. Most of the confusion is from how companies market they're products. It can be very deceptive. Non of this is to say you don't know what you're talking about. I just wanted to make sure that's clear.