Most of the versions I have heard have given me pause because they sound like an easy way for Buddhist leaders to avoid punishment or criticism for their actions. I think don't gossip covers it pretty well without having some misleading implications.
Not dwelling on the past mistakes seems to coincide well with being in the moment. Focusing ones attention here, not worrying about the past or future..Namaste
Me too, Brad. I push this back to not dwelling on my own past mistakes. It takes me out of the moment here and now, and can’t be changed. Yes, not to dwell or talk about others’ mistakes as well. Either way, ‘you still thinking of me carrying that woman across the stream? I put her down back at the stream, but you’re still carrying her!’ 🙏
This sounds focused on morality, gossip, judgementalism. But, to me, the simple answer is "don't live in the past. Move on." If you have accusing to do, do it and move on. Living in the past is part of "self talk." That narration impedes being in the moment, concerned with the moment authentically, not ruminating on things that can't be changed.
I think the secret here is trying not to judge. One is less likely to talk shit about others if one doesn’t judge them. That and compassionate understanding of others, and oneself. If we can truly forgive ourselves, it becomes easier to forgive others. And visa versa.
The eating precept which basically comes down to intermittent fasting is one of the most important ones in my opinion. It would help prevent much of the disease that is prevalent in the western world.
That's the problem. I think the precept was originally made to try to provide a sense of community among the sangha. But I can see how it could be abused. I think this is why most people nowadays don't make it about limiting the precept to Buddhist monks and laypeople.
@@HardcoreZen widening it up is okay but reality in Sanghas is many people ....women in particular...have been abused or isolated or kicked out when they have spoken out. It's hard to see that happening. ...especially given the vow re:sexuality.
Brad this precept applies to everyone and it is about self-cherishing. Dromtonpa says, "We cover our faults with our palms while we unearth the frailties of others with our fingers." We are constantly pointing out others flaws to make ourselves look better. So, of course you should speak up if your teacher does something bad. But you shouldn't spread rumors about others or boast about your own accomplishments.
That is true, but it sounds more like the seventh precept, i.e. "Do not praise yourself and critize others", which seems but very close to the sixth precept, but it is not the same.
Why wouldn't Brad boast about himself? Haven't you noticed that he is all about Brad, all of the time? People are so misguided and gullible that they think this self centered, fake Zen teacher is the real deal. He isn't. Just sit in meditation when you can and live a simple life. That is Zen. You can't make a buck off the rubes doing that though.
@@stevemarino5745, I'm sure that Brad can defend himself but I'm a little confused by your comment and would like some clarity. Just sitting in mediation and living a simple is, as far as I can tell, the essence of what Brad talks about. So you're in agreement with him on that. Would you be able to explain further what makes Brad a fake Zen teacher? What would qualify someone to be a real Zen teacher and could you give me some examples so that I can check them out?
I like Kobun Chino's version; glad I came across it in this video. I can fall into just abject self-hatred sometimes when my mind gets into a rumination track about stuff I've done. (It's a real blast to have bipolar disorder and have the rare manic episode where you can do really uncharacteristic stuff that you regret later.) And even with stupid little shit day to day, I guess the only thing you can do is try to do better next time.
rewatching this series about the precepts you did a couple years ago Brad and there are tons of sound advice in here in particular this one... I like that you compare different interpretations of the precepts and the surrounding context explaining them
when you are dealing with the mistakes of others, you are forcibly, though usually unintentionally involved with the repair, which, as the repair is paramount, assistance wants to be as smooth (not quite invisible, but close) as possible over-visibility is always a hazard and in many areas of life visibility is very consuming and has an extremely high ongoing maintenance cost
Your comment feels really right to me, like maybe I remember having a similar internal sort of nonverbal commentary at some point about a situation, but because I haven’t heard or read this distinct idea put into language I’m having trouble understanding the mechanics of how “visibility” functions?
@@HardcoreZen I'm not sure what your name is. But i know you are a person created in the image of God. Heaven is paradise where those who have forgiveness of sins by believing in Jesus will live forever. Death is what happens when your immaterial spirit leaves your physical body.
Since I’m getting into the discipline of practicing zazen just before dawn , I need to make such an effort to keep posture still while pain and more pain is coming out , that The Precepts sound far away. Cleaning little home in my self is pretty hard work.
depending on your age, personal health and family health history, the restricted posture of zazen/seated mediation can be a problem, especially if you spend much of the day at a desk full lotus is the worst of any world
Andrew Levin : I was borne with an injury in my lower back right side. With age has worsened adding a nerve damage in right leg, knee area. Both feet are also affected. So the full lotus won’t ever be possible . However, It’s really remarkable that with practice I can sit down on a cushion in a yoga asana posture ( the one in which both legs are bend towards the center touching the ground. The area in last bone in the spine, the tilt free from the muscles surrounding remain open to the cushion. Very important this little detail as I’ve noticed that is what gives stability. It also helps breath energy circulation). I pay special attention not to produce more injuries. Well on the contrary, allowing zazen itself take good care of everything. There are two types of pain: one is arrogant and will produce injury in the body and the other pain is a healer. One knows how to distinguish them both through the natural awareness that comes through mindfulness or zazen. The healer pain is a very effective cleaner, a torch lighting our Buddha nature. No kidding.
@@lorenacharlotte8383 you are prone to projecting where you lack experience and have a poor intuitive "feel" for? something that has bitter fruit for sure
The tantric explanation is that everyone else are already complete Buddhas and if you see a fault in anything, that fault exists only within yourself. So you use that little fault you found inside yourself to develop compassion and perform whatever activities you have to in order to remove the stain of that fault.
Wade Cleveland : You could be right. I was subscribed to two Spanish Tibetan channels and followers swallow everything the “Guru Lama” says. Most comments are based in flattering to the Lama, almost adoration to the Guru as if the Guru was a kind of superman or superwoman...Zero dharma discussion. No critics accepted even if the Guru were gonna speculate. I mean, people choose to be commanded. They don’t want to face their own little self and because of that they make themselves easy targets for manipulation.
@@lorenacharlotte8383 In the Lion's Dance meditation, there's two gurus. There's the perfect guru that exists only in your mind and then there's the guru that is the actual heap of flesh and bones. The two gurus are the same but separate. The better your karma, the more clearly the real guru appears to you.
Breaking the 6th precept makes me break the 5th one.
I had to think about that for a minute before I got it.
Good one!
Most of the versions I have heard have given me pause because they sound like an easy way for Buddhist leaders to avoid punishment or criticism for their actions. I think don't gossip covers it pretty well without having some misleading implications.
Not dwelling on the past mistakes seems to coincide well with being in the moment. Focusing ones attention here, not worrying about the past or future..Namaste
Me too, Brad. I push this back to not dwelling on my own past mistakes. It takes me out of the moment here and now, and can’t be changed. Yes, not to dwell or talk about others’ mistakes as well. Either way, ‘you still thinking of me carrying that woman across the stream? I put her down back at the stream, but you’re still carrying her!’ 🙏
This sounds focused on morality, gossip, judgementalism. But, to me, the simple answer is "don't live in the past. Move on." If you have accusing to do, do it and move on. Living in the past is part of "self talk." That narration impedes being in the moment, concerned with the moment authentically, not ruminating on things that can't be changed.
I always thought this was just "don't gossip" in general. Or don't talk freely about others and their issues
I think the secret here is trying not to judge. One is less likely to talk shit about others if one doesn’t judge them. That and compassionate understanding of others, and oneself. If we can truly forgive ourselves, it becomes easier to forgive others. And visa versa.
The eating precept which basically comes down to intermittent fasting is one of the most important ones in my opinion. It would help prevent much of the disease that is prevalent in the western world.
It's only straight forward if it is not used for hiding behind it to sexual misconduct.
That's the problem. I think the precept was originally made to try to provide a sense of community among the sangha. But I can see how it could be abused. I think this is why most people nowadays don't make it about limiting the precept to Buddhist monks and laypeople.
@@HardcoreZen widening it up is okay but reality in Sanghas is many people ....women in particular...have been abused or isolated or kicked out when they have spoken out. It's hard to see that happening. ...especially given the vow re:sexuality.
It's a good precept when thinking if one's own past mistakes...
During retreats, I often review all the things I did that hold some strong feelings of shame or guilt. This helped me!
Great! Thanks!
Brad this precept applies to everyone and it is about self-cherishing. Dromtonpa says, "We cover our faults with our palms while we unearth the frailties of others with our fingers." We are constantly pointing out others flaws to make ourselves look better. So, of course you should speak up if your teacher does something bad. But you shouldn't spread rumors about others or boast about your own accomplishments.
That is true, but it sounds more like the seventh precept, i.e. "Do not praise yourself and critize others", which seems but very close to the sixth precept, but it is not the same.
Why wouldn't Brad boast about himself? Haven't you noticed that he is all about Brad, all of the time? People are so misguided and gullible that they think this self centered, fake Zen teacher is the real deal. He isn't. Just sit in meditation when you can and live a simple life. That is Zen. You can't make a buck off the rubes doing that though.
@@stevemarino5745, I'm sure that Brad can defend himself but I'm a little confused by your comment and would like some clarity. Just sitting in mediation and living a simple is, as far as I can tell, the essence of what Brad talks about. So you're in agreement with him on that. Would you be able to explain further what makes Brad a fake Zen teacher? What would qualify someone to be a real Zen teacher and could you give me some examples so that I can check them out?
I like Kobun Chino's version; glad I came across it in this video. I can fall into just abject self-hatred sometimes when my mind gets into a rumination track about stuff I've done. (It's a real blast to have bipolar disorder and have the rare manic episode where you can do really uncharacteristic stuff that you regret later.) And even with stupid little shit day to day, I guess the only thing you can do is try to do better next time.
In the old sutras the Buddha gives his okay to blame the blameworthy.
rewatching this series about the precepts you did a couple years ago Brad and there are tons of sound advice in here in particular this one... I like that you compare different interpretations of the precepts and the surrounding context explaining them
Thank you!
when you are dealing with the mistakes of others, you are forcibly, though usually unintentionally involved with the repair, which, as the repair is paramount, assistance wants to be as smooth (not quite invisible, but close) as possible
over-visibility is always a hazard and in many areas of life
visibility is very consuming and has an extremely high ongoing maintenance cost
Your comment feels really right to me, like maybe I remember having a similar internal sort of nonverbal commentary at some point about a situation, but because I haven’t heard or read this distinct idea put into language I’m having trouble understanding the mechanics of how “visibility” functions?
@@pinkfloydguy7781 this is"the real work"
you just plug away and it will resolve and open up a new vista, and it pretty well applies to anything
If you died today, are you 100% sure you have everlasting life?
It depends what you mean by "you." And what you mean by "everlasting."
All things are impermanent, so there's no everlasting anything.
@@HardcoreZen You = the person i'm talking to.
Everlasting = live forever in Heaven after death
@@justified-by-faithcom Who is the person you are talking to? What am I? What sort of an entity? What is Heaven? What is death?
@@HardcoreZen I'm not sure what your name is. But i know you are a person created in the image of God. Heaven is paradise where those who have forgiveness of sins by believing in Jesus will live forever. Death is what happens when your immaterial spirit leaves your physical body.
Since I’m getting into the discipline of practicing zazen just before dawn , I need to make such an effort to keep posture still while pain and more pain is coming out , that The Precepts sound far away. Cleaning little home in my self is pretty hard work.
When you do zazen you are enacting all of the precepts.
depending on your age, personal health and family health history, the restricted posture of zazen/seated mediation can be a problem, especially if you spend much of the day at a desk
full lotus is the worst of any world
Hardcore Zen : Good of you to give me that reassurance. Thank you. Glad to know that for once I’m not going officially against the current.
Andrew Levin : I was borne with an injury in my lower back right side. With age has worsened adding a nerve damage in right leg, knee area. Both feet are also affected. So the full lotus won’t ever be possible . However, It’s really remarkable that with practice I can sit down on a cushion in a yoga asana posture ( the one in which both legs are bend towards the center touching the ground. The area in last bone in the spine, the tilt free from the muscles surrounding remain open to the cushion. Very important this little detail as I’ve noticed that is what gives stability. It also helps breath energy circulation).
I pay special attention not to produce more injuries. Well on the contrary, allowing zazen itself take good care of everything. There are two types of pain: one is arrogant and will produce injury in the body and the other pain is a healer. One knows how to distinguish them both through the natural awareness that comes through mindfulness or zazen. The healer pain is a very effective cleaner, a torch lighting our Buddha nature. No kidding.
@@lorenacharlotte8383 you are prone to projecting where you lack experience and have a poor intuitive "feel" for?
something that has bitter fruit for sure
Jamgön Kongtrül's Treasury of Knowledge is the best book on these precepts.
Only Sith ...
The tantric explanation is that everyone else are already complete Buddhas and if you see a fault in anything, that fault exists only within yourself. So you use that little fault you found inside yourself to develop compassion and perform whatever activities you have to in order to remove the stain of that fault.
Wade Cleveland : You could be right. I was subscribed to two Spanish Tibetan channels and followers swallow everything the “Guru Lama” says. Most comments are based in flattering to the Lama, almost adoration to the Guru as if the Guru was a kind of superman or superwoman...Zero dharma discussion. No critics accepted even if the Guru were gonna speculate. I mean, people choose to be commanded. They don’t want to face their own little self and because of that they make themselves easy targets for manipulation.
@@lorenacharlotte8383 In the Lion's Dance meditation, there's two gurus. There's the perfect guru that exists only in your mind and then there's the guru that is the actual heap of flesh and bones. The two gurus are the same but separate. The better your karma, the more clearly the real guru appears to you.