Is Intel’s BLAZING FAST i9 13900KS REALLY Worth It for Gaming?
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- Опубліковано 15 січ 2023
- Wendell checks out the Intel 13900KS, and makes the case that maybe there's more to achieving high frame rates than raw clock speed...
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This makes me look forward to the 7000X3D SKUs even more. I’m wondering how the scheduling will decide which threads profit from the increased cache and which do not. Intel’s P- and E-cores are extremely different so it’s comparably easy to differentiate, AMD’s are “almost” the same…
My guess is the 2 best cores used by Windows for ST will be on one chiplet to allow max freq, but the next threads will be on the large L3 cache chiplet. Zen4 has improved access time to the off chiplet L3, reducing penalties.
A game might be able to benefit more by creating gangs of worker threads which check what L3 is available to them and schedule work accordingly, so co-operating threads use cache while less coupled ones rely more on memory.
The P & E core were NOT easy to differentiate, Intel abandoned AVX512 and E cores didn't run AVX2 well, which is why Thread Director was conceived and Raptor bug fixes made it work as intended unlike in ADL.
back about a year ago, when the 5800x3d came out, i built what i thought would be a dominant 1440p machine with a 6800xt ,(sold my 2080 super on ebay at JUUST the right time) (wasted a bit of money going for 3600 cl 14 ram, but its fine, should have ralized the cpu cache would provide most of the same benefit so thats on me) unless the uplift for the 7800x3d vs the 5800x3d is massive, and unless amd can get the rdna 3 performance up in the XTX, I think ill be waiting for the 8000 series of both to consider an upgrade.
7800x3d won't have as many troubles with scheduling as the 7950
@@djmccullough9233 Did the same thing, and I also have the PowerColor Red Devil 6800 XT and it's an excellent 2K gaming rig. And frankly in a few years I could replace the GPU with RDNA 4, a higher tier part and move to 4K gaming with that rig and it's going to be fine.
Gaming performance has increased so much on CPUs over the last 5 years that the 5800X3D is in a comfortable spot. No, in a few years it won't be great for high fps 1080p competitive gaming, but it's going to handle 2K and 4k gaming for a good decade for open world single player gaming.
@@RobBCactive I would argue that scheduling for Intel will be easy than the upcoming zen4 X3D 12/16 core parts. With intel you schedule the big stuff on the P core till you run out of them. On 2/3 of the upcoming X3D chips... the question arises of does this thread need more clock speed or more cache? And that can change if a thread goes to do something different. Which a thread could do multiple times a second easily. Based on what I know PRE BENCHMARKS I prefer Intel's approach.
Black Friday I went for a 13700k + 7000M/T CL34 instead of a 139000k and slower memory. I still stand by my decision for doing mostly gaming with a little media editing for fun on the side.
That's what I got! Love it! The 13900K and KS are still pretty cool though.
I went to i9 13900K with my 2080 saving up for future 4090 and another RAM soon
@@DeernailtDid you manage to get a 4090?
I think the Core i7-13700K is sort of the sweet spot on the Intel side right now.
Yup.
For anyone with a 4080 and lower i agree. With a 4090 you should be looking at 13900 or the amd x3d chips coming out.
@@slhsimdesigns Did you watch the video or think about it?
In the 4080 / 4090 league gaming at 1080p is a very odd thing to do. Yes, you can of course but you can also burn money if you like the smell!
More than 90% buy these for higher resolution and there you won't get into a CPU limit, even with 11gen or 12gen CPU compared to the 13900KS identical frame results, e.g. at 4K.
@2:58, read the specs: 54.5 inch IPS LCD Panel on that motherboard. WOW!
I appreciate the memory angle. One of few (if not the only) Raptor Lake strengths this generation vs Ryzen.
If we're talking about 1%, I was hoping to see more on things like undervolting and tuning, including disabling the blasted E-cores for gaming benchmarks. Coreteks made that in a video some time ago with a 12900K if I'm not mistaken. The tuning was effective!
Of course, it might be 0.1% what I'm asking. Also, it might still be that the 13900KS would be basically the same as 13900K in this instance too. But... we don't really know. We're laking #science !
There’s an interesting video on here that shows a 13900ks running at 60W less and signficantly cooler than the 13900k when underclocked to 5.6Ghz and undervolted. Same game performance, lower power usage, cooler.
Link please? Sounds interesting
Looking good, gonna have to shop for smaller shirts now. keep up the good workouts!
Wendel the only one I trust and you Sir and the team are amazing , luv from AUS , I watch all the channels, and mate you guys are the most truthful - comprehensive on U Tube , maybe other channels should take a leaf from your book \M/....... great work team :0)
13900KS has a higher chance to run at lower temperatures thanks to the binned silicon, giving you consistent all-core speeds with no throttling. Or, you can just overclock it higher with a custom loop. Mostly to do with the V/F Curves though.
Precisely!
Yep, mine is undervolted at 1.3v and it runs BETTER due to NOT thermal throttling anymore with Arctic liquid freezer 420mm II.
Spent 30 seconds in bios and first run with cinebench r23 score was 40350.
Astonishing performance and efficiency with minimal tinkering.👍
Damm mine crashes on 0.90 Cinebenchr23 shuts down
@@csguakthanks for sharing, also have the 13900ks with Arctic freezer2 aio. Where in the bios can that voltage be adjusted to under volt it , what was the default value ? Let me know if possible, thanks
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The unboxing made me chuckle.
the memory helps 1080p gaming which means if you run a 4k game with DLSS the ram is helping bc it's really rendering 1080p. I run 13700k all p-cores @ 5.7 with 7200c32 ddr5 (6400c32 m-die kit) on a 4090. It's fabulous.
Thats some sweet overclocking and ram speed. I'm worried that I will lose the silicon lottery and not hit anything like that so I'm thinking of getting the KS, not cause I want the extra cores but just to be sure I get a cpu that will do 7000 ram and at least 5.5 all p-cores. BTW what board you using ? I'm thinking about the Aurous Master as it's 8 layer/great vrm and not stupid priced.
@@jondonnelly4831 Thank you.
The board helps- It's z690 Msi Unify-x . 2 dimm slots makes ram easier to tune. This is actually an m-die kit (6400c32) but manually i run 7200c32. As for the chip, i did buy 3 and kept the best one so i cheated the bin a little bit. All 3 could do 5.5 though, so thats common and very solid. If you can find 8 layer and 2 dimm thats really great. Aorus Tachyon should be out any day now and is a dream board. The Master is able to do 7200 as it's z790 and 4-dimm is much better than it was on z690.
@@jondonnelly4831 13900ks does 5.6 all p core out of the box already.
My 13900K is hitting 6.1 with an AI overclock on the Z790 Hero with Corsair 6200 DDR5. I'm running an Asus Strix 3080ti. I upgraded from a 6th gen i7 on a Sabertooth Z170 with Corsair 3200 DDR4 running a Gi8gabyte 1080. The upgrade is INSANE. My old system is using a Dell 60hertz IPS panel. My new system was upgraded to a ROG Swift PG279QM...running 240hertz buttery smooth. I doubt I would even notice the tiny bump from the 13900KS...other than in benchmarks.
To be honest an upgrade to a 13100 would have blow you away.
@@jondonnelly4831 LOL...I don't know about that. I could probably live with it...but it wouldn't match well with the rest of my kit. I would definitely consider it for a budget build or a family build...but not for my personal rig. I usually went with i5 or i7 for past builds...but wanted an i9 so I got it.
@@Druac Well I mean i5 13600K beats i9 12900K in gaming so... Even the i5 would've been massive upgrade from that 6th gen i7.
Best decision i made is to give my 3080ti the 13600k, daily 5.1Ghz on Noctua aircooler, frametiming is now milky smooth, it wasnt this smooth with 10700k and just liberates the computer. Worth the upgrade if you playing at 3840x1600p just lifts all min fps by at least 20fps now the games are rarely under 80fps max settings
To help mitigate potential stability/degradation widely reported on flagship Raptor lake SKUs, I have changed a lot of my BIOS settings based on what I have watched and read. For my 13900k and 14900k I have done the following: MCE off, PL1 and PL2 limit to 225, limit P-core boost to 5.5 GHz and E-core boost to 4.3GHz, and use balanced power profile in Windows (although I do disable core parking to keep system highly responsive). Oh and just XMP on the RAM. I didn’t change LLC value. I have set voltage offset at a modest -0.015v and set the Core limit to 300 Amps. I have disabled the C6&C7 C states and EIST. Lastly I have locked AVX at 0 offset. I have tested on P95, CB R23 and CB R15. All great and in a mid 20 degree room, no workload exceeds 80c on package or cores. Very happy and benchmarks are very close to where they were before taming these beasts.
i had a 13900k and it ran pretty cool on a 360 mm IO cooler, it ran at around 45-50C when gaming , I’m having micro centre swap the cpu to a 13900ks at no charge due to some other issues the build had. I get Pc back tomorrow but i’m super worried the KS will run hotter or worse in gaming than my 13900k I had.
how did the i9-13900ks run?
I upgraded to i9-13900KS from a FX-8150... I couldn't wait more...wish me luck
Just installed the liquid freezer 420 on my 13900KF. managed to overclock it to 4.7 Ghz all P-cores, 4.5 All E-Cores. Beast!
@G Money do 5.7 all cores
i think me means 5.7 all P-core. 4.7 is slower than stock.
@@jondonnelly4831 yeah 5.7 🙏
Good lord, Wendell's straight to the point takes with some minor rambliness on either side is why I love this channel.
_engagement_
I likw watching your channel. I am a gamer turned IT Director and you talk about Ent
Getting a 4090 and ultra high end CPU may be worth it under a particular circumstance:
- You largely play1080p on desktop, but you also do heavily engage in VR
that is exactly my case, have a valve index and i want to extract the most out of it
Okay this is cute and all, but is this the best CPU to run Dwarf Fortress at 60 FPS after 10 years in game?
Is a Asus rog Strix LC ll 360mm good for the 13900k? i can get a good deal on one but i want to make sure its gonna be enough to cool this beast of chip
5:30 what does he mean “here and here the benchmarks are quite a bit higher?”
13900ks does not have a bump in e core boost clocks, they are both at 4.3 GHz
Upgraded from a 12700kf to a 13900ks. Fixed a lot of stuttering problems and now my Strix 4080 OC can be shovel fed. It’s been a nice upgrade honestly.
holy rich
Does anyone know why it's so hard to find particular GSkills kits in the UK?
You should ask the stores.
Gotta love triumvirate term you used.
im running a 13900ks, 7800mhz DDR-5 and a 4090 on a custom loop. My rig is a power hungry monster but I love it hahah All jokes aside, tuned right, its pretty efficient at normal tasks.
bloody hell, any secret to getting the ram to go that fast?
@@jondonnelly4831 Asus z790 Apex lol I actually got a kit of Hyniz A-die running at 8000mhz stable yesterday lol I tried other boards and anything over 7200mhz was hit or miss but no higher than 7600. If you want to go 7800+ you need a z790 Apex, Tachyon or Dark.
@@WiFeYBurGLeR1 did you try the MSI Meg ACE?
I'll stick with my original plan and upgrade to Zen5 in another year or so.
I remember when AMD used to be the "wild and crazy" brand usually marketing with their high clock speeds , whilst Intel were the "cool and collected"
Holy crap dude you've lost a ton of weight. Good job
What are the negatives of using a overkill power supply besides the price?
Weight.
@@CycahhaCepreebha lol
I have a 4090 and operate using an i5-13600k CPU and it's good enough, especially when I'm not out to be a creator but only be a gamer.
should really be in a solid gold case....
I just finished building my R9 7950X, 32GB DDR5 6000, RTX 4090 system right before they announced the X3D's. I probably would've built a 7800 or 7900X3D has I known it was coming out so soon. Oh well.
I also just finished building an identical spec 7950x system. I was planning on upgrading just the cpu this February when the 7950x3D comes out. I can always sell my 7950x if I need to.
@@hadleys.4869 I built the exact same system as y’all. I even got a x670e Crosshair extreme, sadly I’ll be returning it all and going Intel. My rig was nothing but a headache like previous AMD interactions, long boot times, most of the time I couldn’t even get into bios due to mem testing, etc. just not a good time
@@antoniok52 that’s funny, because I ended up buying an Intel 13900ks/MSI Meg Z790 Ace MB combo to put in my Corsair 1000D case I’ve had for a while. It just runs like a dream is all I can say. I’m not so sure the new 7000x3D CPU will be much faster than the 13900k in but just a handful of games. Any game that doesn’t take advantage of higher L3 cache is going to do better on the 13900k cpu. I’ll be very interested in seeing what the benchmarks turn out to be towards the end of this month.
Thanks for the premium content.
Just wondering, how many of your game while waiting for compute to spew results ?
I do have tab of old factorio, and as it takes at least 20 min for me to see anything, I wonder if anyone can run 12threads of y-cruncher and then compare red vs blue for me...
I game while waiting for Fluent to produce results, and the 7950X is fine for that.
You shouldn't be using these processors for compute though. Two channels of RAM just isn't enough bandwidth to saturate 32 threads, regardless of whether you have 16 bigs or 8 bigs and 16 littles.
@@CycahhaCepreebha it's second choice, and I look at mobile ones, as 90% I do on aws, local is rare, but still I have 6/12 and its aging fast.
@@deilusi I don't have much experience with cloud, because Russian government doesn't trust the west to not saboutage our infrastructure, but in a conversation with a western friend in the same field, he suggested that AWS is a poor candidate for CFDs, as it doesn't scale nearly as well as infiniband due to much higher latencies. He suggested Azure and a cloud service Dell is rolling out instead.
I would suggest a last generation Threadripper. The memory bandwidth will benefit you a lot more than the higher clocks Ryzen can accomplish, because with only two channels of memory you just won't be able to stuff enough data into the CPU to run it at those higher clocks anyway. CFD stops benefitting beyond about 32 cores, so I'd look at a 24 or 32 core CPU, depending on how much you want to spend on your local machine.
@@CycahhaCepreebha I know it all, I know, thing is locally I only run poc's to make sure it does not error out, so threadripper is to much. I also want it in fairly mobile form factor, but I just hopped to get comparison of architectures, closer to my use-case, and then I would buy strongest unit I can, that I could commute with(once a month commute so I might even take desktop with me if laptops will suck), or if nothing fits, I will have to make stationary 2 desktops to replace it. Not ideal.
I wait 20 min because it runs on 6 core mobile intel now, so anything really would be an upgrade.
@@deilusi I don't think there are any laptops with a suitable cooling solution for this. Even the bulky "gaming desktop replacement laptops" rely on only needing to be at boost frequencies for brief intervals, there's just not enough cooler. Huge dual towers like the NH-D15 can barely keep up, let alone the tiny things you can fit in a laptop.
What you could do is put a 7950X on an ITX motherboard with a 240+mm AIO. A (admittedly thick) 280mm radiator is enough to keep my 7950X and a 6900XT cool during full load on both, so a slimmer 240mm probably should be enough to handle just the CPU. Use Noctua's 3000rpm fans, they'll be whisper quiet while the machine isn't doing compute, and can spin up to ultra cooling mode when you do put a load on it. Mine don't need to go over 50% to keep the computer cool. 7950X has internal graphics that are strong enough to handle the graphical loads you'd need. There are some very good SFF cases that fit radiators, so it would be a portable setup. Lian Li Dan A4 H20 or Loque Ghost are the cases I'd start looking at, they're both relatively easy to build in and will fit a 240mm radiator, and they'll easily fit in a backpack or bag.
It's not the ideal setup because I still think you should prefer extra memory channels, but it's the highest performance you can get in a mobile form factor. You do only get 64GB of RAM because the most memory you can fit on a single DDR5 DIMM is currently 32GB, but you're not going to find any 128GB laptops regardless.
Absolutely worth it
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For the 1% who want the most out of their systems, so far both my buddy and I have been able to stabilize 8000mt ddr5 on a 4 dimm z790 Maximus hero using the 13900ks. 7200, any 13th gen processor can manage this and he's right in that regard. What I can tell you is this: on the standard 13900k, the average silicon could NOT run what these KS chips are running. Most users are running 5.8-5.9ghz all core on the p cores/4.6-4.7ghz on the e cores/ and 5.0-5.2 on the ring all while running 7800+ mt ddr5 (with some voltage tuning of course). Those are clocks with reasonable voltages and on a 420 aio, my own temps are in the 70c range when gaming even in the most intensive CPU bound games. If you can cool this which you can with a 360mm aio and up, these RAM speeds with those core overclocks will net you 15-20% in your lows in CPU bound scenarios and when you're running a 4090, you'll run into that more than you think, even at 4k with a 13th gen processor.
I haven't done any in depth memory tuning but I have noticed a huge difference doing voltage tuning on my now "old" 12900ks. Stock settings in the bios always seem terrible. After playing around a little bit I was able to overclock and undervolt my CPU so now it is faster, cooler and uses less power. I agree with you, it definitely made a difference in the lows. I'd like to pick up a 13th gen to play around with in the future seeing the kind of overclocks people are able to get.
@@dracer35 I think with a high binned 13900ks that it's possible to run 6ghz all core even on an AIO. 5.9 seems to be fairly easy to run with a high ring clock but if you lower the ring, 6ghz might be doable at a reasonable vcore. Glad you got to tuning that 12900k and you were able to get the most out of it. These tech tubers don't do the chip justice. Robytech knows his stuff though, he probably just hasn't invested any time into ddr5 tuning. It makes a huge difference. 7200 seems insanely fast to most people but it's actually possible to run 8000 with tight timings on the ks and a die ram (you need a decent mobo though). People are hitting 8200-8800mt on the z790 Maximus apex.
You sure all 13700k will do 7200MHz RAM ? if so I'd just get that I think. Or are those numbers just assumed?
@@jondonnelly4831 There aren't any guarantees unfortunately. The 13700k *should* be able to achieve 7200mt speeds (on A-die ddr5, noting that 7200mt M-die exists). I don't own a 13700k so I can't speak to it specifically. I have owned a 13900k and currently own 3 13900ks and on these skus, there's quite a bit of variance in silicon quality but all of them have been able to run 7200mt ddr5 with ease on my z790 maximus hero motherboard. The motherboard you have will play a factor as well.
I am just assembling my first computer, I thought ASUS ROG MAXIMUS Z790 HERO motherboard is top tier but MSI MEG Z790 GODLIKE just blew my head off.
I would've went with eVGA's Z790 DARK or even the new Z790 CLASSIFIED. The new CLASSIFIED looks like a really cool board.
Yeah, the i7 13700K is $380 and is like a binned i9 12900KS with more cache. Even though i built a new 13th Gen system i still use my 5GHz+ 8700K in the Aorus Gaming 7 with Sapphires 6900XT TOXIC "AIR" on the OLED. I just picked up another 6900XT X Trio for $600 brand new.... definitely happy about that find.
im pretty sure i will get this for my next built paired with 4080 it will be an ultimate pc
Price to performance wise no, but high end gpu's and cpu's will give you insane fps at any resolution and graphics settings.
@@luukherfst1209 This seems like too much but i have 2x 144hz monitor and 1x 244hz monitor all 1440p so i need a strong PC
all cores 100% load without thermal throtling possible only with LN2
am I the only one that's not seeing what he's seeing at 5:30? he says the performance is a bit higher but I don't any significant changes on the screen.
I mostly don't have time to waste on wondering how new products will affect my PC so I just buy more than I need until it no longer works
2:58 54" screen, welp
It's been over a month now on my 13900KS and it games like a champ! I have no regrets upgrading from a 13900K. It sure does clock higher than the 13900K. Gaming wise I am squeezing out a few more FPS and NO stuttering this is with MSFS BTW. I like the "KS" ❤❤
Hey I use MSFS. I have a 7950X3D and I am not a fan of it at all, first time trying AMD. What CPU cooler are you running for your 13900KS! Glad to hear you have no stutters as that’s been my issue with the X3D
@@richardcastrigano8094 Hello fellow simmer, I am cooling the beast with the Asus Ryujin II 360 AIO, on a Z690E strix mobo. They make 2 Ryujins, one with Asus RGB fans and the other with Noctua fans I have the Noctua. Keeps Temps cool enough for me, how cool? cool enough that I can claim the high FPS and minimal to NO stuttering. Don't know if there is a difference but I went with Noctua as I already have plenty RGB on my PC.. Lol
@@rccosplay3249 nice! I currently have a Corsair H150i elite LCD XT (360mm) and was thinking of upgrading to the H170i (420mm). Do you know if there’s a difference in cooling performance with the H170 and the Ryujin? Also, did you undergolt your CPU or are you letting it run as default
Dang, a chip with 300ghz integrated graphics and a motherboard with a 54.5 inch lcd screen. These marketers goin crazy
I really can’t wait to see how the 7950x3d stacks up against this.
probadly will give you like 5 fps more . or intel will win whit a few fps more . last gen 3d and 12900ks it was this way , and now the 13 gen have more core and more of everything so im sure it will reduce a lot the 3d win if it win at all
@@TheJimyyy 7950x3d is rumoured to be around 30% faster in most games than I9-13900k. Yea I saw amd benchmarks on the 7950x3d in that presentation, but I don't trust benchmarks of amd themselves.
@@luukherfst1209 what they say dont worth sh!t only the real test by user are worth something
@@luukherfst1209 I really really really doubt the 30% figure for multiple reasons. That sweet extra cache is only added to half of the cores 7900/7950x and the cores that it has it added run 300MHz lower, have waaay lower power and temp limits. It's was also supposed to be fully unlocked but AMD has how changed that to only PBO and even then 89oC max limit. So 8 cores with more clockspeed or 8 cores with more cache. Somehow windows 11 scheduler has to figure out where to put your gaming processes, HOW? Ryzen master profiles ? game patches? Then theres the problem of retriving data over to the infinity bus between the cores which means currently the 7700x IS ALREADY FASTER than the 7950x in gaming. Thats without the differences in the cache! It's going to get WORSE. Then there is the 6000MHz ram limit. That 30% is is cherry picked, over an unoptimised , non overclocked and thermally limited intel build with slow ram. It cannot be physically possible any other way.
This comment didn't age well... the split CCD's really ruined zen 4 3d...
Dude, I'm more interested in what you did to lose so much weight. You look great! Please advise on your weight loss journey.
You know, powersupplies of 1200W were ridiculous 5 years from now, but now with a CPU and a GPU sucking 800W together, an ATX 3.0 1200W is what I would recommend for any enthusiast setup. Anything over 1200W is useless... because your home breaker will trip at 1800W anyway.
Maybe only in the states. 240v country can pull 3,000+ watts easy
Assuming you're using standard 16A fuses you can draw almost 3700W from an outlet. Even a quad 4090 rig isn't going to come close to that.
I wanted the be Quite! Dark Power Pro 12 1200W...but it was not in stock ANYWHERE I was comfortable buying it when I was ready to buy...so I got the 1500W 🤪
TL;DR My Ryzen 7700x clocks 6 GHz at 86 PPT. 😛
Nice chips, those Intels. But too powerhungry for my setup. YMMV
7:37 TBH desktop chips should ditch E-cores, no reason for their existence in that segment....
for gaming, 13600k is where it’s at
I don’t know what to do. I have a 7950x system I just built with an RTX 4090. I don’t know whether to wait for the 7950x3D or sell my parts and just get a 13900ks with 7200mhz ddr5?
whats the issue with 7950x? What gains you expecting from 13900ks/ X3d. Cause it's not going to be more than 10%. You really going to notice it? Do you game at 1080p still?
@@jondonnelly4831 to be honest there is no real issue other than the psychological aspect of just wanting the fastest Gaming System on the market. I exclusively Game at 4K, so i know there isn’t much gains to be made there. However, I do use DLSS quality mode often which runs the game at 1440p and up converts back to 4k. So DLSS uses the cpu a Little more than 4k especially on the 4090. I Ended up keeping my x670e/7950x setup and just bought an Intel 13900ks/z790 motherboard. One thing I have realized now using both systems, is that the 13900k is a faster cpu when it comes to brute force, but the x670e motherboard has better upgradability, More pcie lanes, and a little faster SSD Performance that I noticed.
As a owner of the original 13900k I am disappointed as it is power starved when volting with Intels specs. Amps and short term watts duration with 307a and 253 watts underclocks by 400 mhz during cinebench. It never overheats
Sure you can go unlimited power if you want to ruin your hardware and degrade it and it will underock to 600 mhz in cinebench as it overheats 🤷.
The intel graphic 770 is a super fast BOI
MSI has some trash aio 360 coolers. I bought (twice) the 360 AIO from MSI last year with the in the cooling fins pump. Both did within months of use.
Same issue I had with a 240mm msi AIO. It just died after not long at all. I’ll stick with brands like Corsair, Arctic, and Alphacool for AIOs from now on.
Even with an i9-13900KS and a RTX 4090 going full tilt, my room was still a bit too chilly. Thankfully, Intel has an off the shelf solution -- their NUC 13 Extreme Compute Element running an i9-13900K. Once that baby was slapped into its PCIe slot, I could feel the chill melt away. It's timesaving and economical too, since I can bar-b-que brisket and bake bread while I stream my games on Twitch.
A power monster - 13900KS.
The only price is different between the two CPUs.
I want desktop pcs with quad ram and 256gb ram
Yes it’s worth it. Just went from a 12900k to the 13900k. A lot faster and pairs great with my Rtx 4090.
It's faster if you use 1080p 4k is like 30fps 20fps 15 fps maybe 40fps increase in optimised titles but 1080p is where this chip is way better
Wholly tamale, Wendell, you've lost tons of weight. I hope you're well.
Is it worth it for gaming? No, but it's pretty cool.
As a bang-for-the-buck evangelist, I am offended by the choice of components in such a 1% build and in 1% builds in general. :D
7900 xtx AIB use more watts then a 4090
Some people are willing to pay for the best no matter what. And Intel use this as an opportunity to milk these costumers to the max. i think. Not that it bother me though
You really don't have to produce the best of anything, you just need to succeed in marketing it as if it was the best.
Is any high end component worth it for only gaming though?
4090
Nothing will uplift Ubisofts horrible coding.
I assumed as much. 12900KS was also kind of meh compared to 12900K(F). I dunno why people would buy TOTL CPU for games, but that is my 2 cents rly.
Same reason why people bought golden sample CPUs from Silicon Lottery back in the day. People play a lot to have the best, even if the best is barely better than 2nd place
Silicon lottery. We just want to BE SURE the 7200MHz ram we got actually runs at that and the P cores are decent. I don't feel like getting a dozen 13700ks, binning them and reselling the dudes. I really don't.
All that msi stuff when it gets old you feel weird about all that gimiccky features lol
will i feel a difference if i upgrade my 2600k system to this 13900ks?
Depends on gpu, but like he said, for gaming just go with the i7 and put the money saved towards other components
no, cause if your using a 2600k and never bother to upgrade since you won't appreciate the difference.
Is any highend CPU worth it for gaming?
Yea, i7 and the upcoming X3D chips from amd are great for gaming. The former for high single core performance, the latter for the increased l3 cache.
@@isaacbejjani5116the question is “worth it” for gaming. Why spend $400 on a cpu when a 12100 can game just fine at 1440p+ where most games are gpu limited anyways
My 7950X is great at Stellaris, CK3, HOI4, and Civ V. Turns/Time literally flies. But if gaming is all you're going to be doing, no, fancy processors don't make any sense. Cheaper processors like the 12400 are more than enough for 99% of games, and the 5800X3D will be almost as quick as the much more expensive 7950X on CPU-heavy titles like my strategy games.
Shinshine, yes If you want to game with Ray Tracing at high refresh rate FPS you need a top end CPU. The BVH structure building and traversal for the RT is heavy, we see this in many titles (Spiderman and Cyberpunk), if you never want to drop below 100FPS you need the top tier products.
2:58 it says the screen is 54.5 inches lol
For gaming? Of course not. Not even the regular i9s make sense for gaming. You're FAR better off taking all the premium you pay for these as well as DDR5 over DDR4 and dump it towards GPU for gaming.
These KS parts were never intended for regular consumers. They're for extreme overclockers just like $1200 Godlike motherboards that make just as little sense. Sure it's a rip off but considering overclockers used to pay _DOUBLE MSRP+_ for silicon lottery golden samples they're a bargain for the user it's intended for. The only thing I'd be interested in seeing but never buying, is since it _is_ binned silicon I bet it would hit stock speeds while still being undervolted.
I'll never buy an overpriced Threadripper or Sapphire Rapids either, but it's cool they exist for the people that will use them.
Man my 9900k is still great for gaming
Day 4 of asking Wendell for more OpenShift content
What is OpenShift
@@albinoalpaca1059 Red Hats distro of Kubernetes. You get a lot of creature comforts out of the box like a dashboard, operator catalog, and sane RBAC
When did he make OpenShift content?
@@ryanslab302 he briefly mentioned it a time or two. Idk if he's done a video about it directly
I’ve done a bit of work with it. A lot of kubernetes. It’d be cool if he did some distributed systems coverage. Kubernetes examples.
Well yeah Wendel, you could get all of that and get a CineBench R23 score of around 39,607 or 40,239 at nutty temps.
Or you could get a GigaByte AORUS Elite AX board, Corsair Vengeance 6000 36-36-36-76 EXPO RAM and a 7950X and with a 24/7 configuration get a CineBench R23 score of 40,860 - that is always assuming you know how to configure Ryzen.
I'm considering a similar build, that board seems amazing value and the 7950x has dropped again in price last week. Then again I am also considering the 13700k, 7200 ram as I mostly games, though I can certainly afford a KS and already own the PSU/custom loop to cool it with 360 + 240mm rads dedicated for cpu from my days overclocking Intel 7900/20/80x. Things have not really changed!
@@jondonnelly4831 The problem is that Wendel still hasn't figured out how to configure Ryzen from 3ed Gen onwards.
One thing that will impress you is that my 7950X exceeds the CineBench R23 multicore score of my 5950X (which was 31,105 at 180 Watts CPU power) using only 48 Watts of CPU power.
I have offered many times over the past three years to show Wendel and other members of the Tech Media/UA-camrs how to configure Ryzen, but they are determined to wallow in their ignorance and stupidly configure 3rd, 4th and now 5th Gen Ryzen as if they were Intel CPUs.
As an example, JayzTwoCents delidded his 7950X and used direct die cooling, but even at that, his CineBench R23 score was still way behind mine (by over 1,000 points), but not only that, his CPU was still running 5 degrees Celsius hotter than my 7950X.
This is the pathetic state of affairs and shows that Wendel and his peers have been either too lazy or too stupid to learn.
@@michaelnager6059 What kind of tweaks do you perform
@@2intheampm512 I wrote a guide and you can find the latest version of the guide if you search for my name on the Ryzen reddit forum and "Definitive Guide to Configuring 3rd/4th Gen Ryzen CPUs on any Ryzen Motherboard".
The only difference between configuring 7nm and 5nm Ryzen is that the max voltage for 7nm is 1.3 Volts and for 5nm it is 1.2 Volts.
If I put a link to it in the comment here then it will get deleted.
I think this CPU is purely for LN2, its makes no sense otherwise.
300Ghz. well our top of of the line liquid cooler in this planet gonna burn, or rather melt.
I still think the KSes are a mistake. I'm actively wary of buying a *900K, because I know there's no chance of winning the silicon lottery because all the actually good ones go in the KS bin instead. The 12900K I bought, despite its high price point, was absolutely awful, even if you disregard the constant scheduling errors (which obviously weren't the fault of the hardware). It couldn't overclock at all, it ran insanely hot unless I disabled the E-cores, and the memory controller couldn't handle my DDR5 DIMMs at their rated XMP speeds, I had to downclock them just to boot. And that was after I removed the default frame that contributed to the excessive heat by bending the IHS away from the coldplate at the most critical point.
A 12700K would have been a better experience, and at a much lower price, because there you actually have a good chance of getting good silicon, and you're not sacrificing so much potential P-core clocks to the ridiculous heat output of the E-cores. The KS bin's existance means that instead of buying Intel's highest performance processor, I'm actually buying the budget version of Intel's highest performance processor. It's a thoroughly unpleasant experience. I'm similarly disappointed with AMD for making the 7950X out of one highly binned chiplet and one garbage chiplet, but at least the X3D line is unique hardware and AMD are open about Ryzen being made from EPYC leftovers.
TBH I still think the KS versions are only designed for those people who want the best binned CPUs. Mostly for overlocking competitions I guess. Which makes it at least easier to get a binned cpu if thats what you want.
Ouch, Intel!
But I don't see why AMD should provide 2 chiplets that reach max freq, when Windows wants 2 fast cores sharing L3 for the max ST performance.
Once you're looking at lower freq of MT then it doesn't need the same binning for ST peak freq.
@@RobBCactive I don't care what Windows wants, I don't run that garbage directly on metal anyway, I just want to overclock, because it's fun. Better bins means I can push higher multi core curve offsets without having to raise voltage, and thus the cooling requirements, excessively.
The work I do is more dependent on memory capacity and bandwidth anyway. RAM through HBM is a thousand times more interesting than 6+GHz clocks, or even 3D-vcache. The ideal workstation processor for me has 32 cores, 64GB of HBM2E memory, and an additional 128GB of DDR5 (over four channels).
@@CycahhaCepreebhaif you're so reliant on memory bandwidth, you should probably compress the data tightly, process chunks that fit in L1 and reduce branches. I've achieved 100x speed ups on a clean algorithm that way.
The pipeline processing is essentially free, stalls cost far more.
@@RobBCactive Would that I were a programmer and knew how to write algorithms beyond basic implementations of quicksort or Dijkstra's shortest path in C.
I actually just run CFDs. Things like Fluent, Solidworks Flow, OpenFoam etc. They're probably all horribly inefficient in one way or another, but there's not a lot I can do about that. I know for sure they could be sped up significantly if they were rewritten just to take advantage of AVX512, but to my knowledge they don't.
i havent seen anyone that tested it that managed to see the 6.0ghz what so ever
I did. With an EK Cryo delta tec cooler 6.7 ghz on all core temps are in the mid 60's
@@jessicasa211 ah yes there is always someone
@@jessicasa211 6.7 GHZ needs benchmark and gaming performance streams!
Those 300 jiggahertz
Great Scott!!!!!
i hate europe...here is available for 837.6 and for that CPU when someone asked me which memory is the best for money and then i said NO why? you have CPU for 800 get simply the best
13900ks is simply not worth the price. Only thing I would say is good is it uses the same power as the normal 13900k. Due to the high quality chip binning 🤷🏻♂️
The regular k is limited to 253 watts short term boost. This one at +300 can prevent it from underclocking which mine keeps doing. It underclocks not due to heat but for lack of power as I put all the power settings within Intel specs to avoid degradation. The mobo settings lie on recommended
@@timothygibney159 What makes you think it will degrade if you cool it right? I ran a 7920x for 3 years with non degrade pushed above 400watts and 4.7GHz daily. It never degraded. That was years ago, surely things have improved since?
Every tech reviewer who doesn’t understand highest fps possible is so dumb. I have a 390hz and I want to get as close to its limit as possible. Warzone 2 only hits 240 when less than 50 in lobby.
Also to everyone in this chat..... No one from the channel replies to comments.
The 13900KS isn't worth it period. If you're in the intel camp, just stick to a 13700 or even a 13900. The KS is a money grab.
300ghz? Fuck ya
In gaming with 4K actually no.
Is it worth it.... short answer: no.
For the people who missed it...
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You did mistake, 0.1% build :)
Me watching on Intel pentium Gold G5400 😐
Computer will be great until the cooler stutters for just a second, then you'll have a meltdown and a breach of your concrete flooring until the CPU hits the water table and then ... CHINA SYNDROME !!!
wtf are you even talking about dude
engagement
NO. The 13900K isn't even worth it. Techpowerup does detailed power consumption tests, checking multiple applications, games, idle, etc. and the 13900K is about the worst CPU for power consumption during gaming is about 115W on average, while the 5800X3D is using around 47W on average. So about 2.5X the power consumption of the 5800X3D during gaming. No I don't want the 13900K or KS. If I went Intel I'd at least step it down to the 13700K which gets you down to about 90W on avg., but really the Zen4 Vcache parts are going to be far superior for gaming power consumption while giving top notch performance. With the 7700X using around 62W on avg. and the 7800X3D has to clock a little slower, I'm thinking it's safe to say it won't use more than about 55W on avg. in gaming, just like the 5800X3D uses less power than a 5800X in gaming.
mine was $1300 lol
This is more like 0.01%
Sheeeessssh