Sweet! Been needing to reset the to on my rig since I add a lift and bigger tires, and this looks like something to make the job simpler. Might be cutting some groceries out of the budget for this, but it will be worth it.
When my son was little, he raced go karts, and we had a similar tool to set our toe. Basically the same principle, straight edges on either spindle and measure front and back. Great video, keep it up!
Just to be clear, track bar centers the axle. Drag link adjusts steering wheel, tie rod adjusts toe. I had a shop do my alignment but they sucked at it and couldn't even tighten a jam nut tight enough lol. Great video imma have to buy some of these or make my own! Thanks Matt
Yea all the shops just "Toe and Go" That's the bad part of doing your own suspension work, no one will set the camber and caster back. at least that's how it is around here.
I know this comment is old, but I've done every single repair on my Jeep no problem, my weakness is aligning this darn thing myself!! Hate to sound dumb here but I never knew the track bar centers the axle lol No wonder why it sticks out farther on the driver side LOL!!! Thanks! After learning this simple thing I now know everything about my XJ haha
Great tool! I made something similar to this a while ago, before stuff like this really became popular/easy to find on the internet. It works great I’ve been using it for years! I have never and will never pay for an alignment. In my experience with this method and a few other tricks I have been able to align my truck more accurately then my local shop with a laser alignment rack can.. So, I know purchasing something like this can be pricey but trust me if you know how to use it it’s well worth it!!
Boy ain't that fancy" I did mine on my lifted Chevy in the parking lot of my hotel with two cinder blocks a string I use for laying brick and 4 peace of cardboard.
Excellent job Matt! I believe this to be your second tool design, ETCG used your yoke holder on a video. Any more and your going to have to start the Bleepin Tool Company Oh, I did your first method on my WJ and it's awesome! 20 k miles and tires are wearing perfectly.
Your comment regarding being more precise by using one millimeter (.039") increments instead of one sixteenth of an inch is all well and very good. My concern is you have done nothing to qualify or calibrate your two independant measuring scales. If you are going to use two different tape-measures, you should at least take a second measurement after swapping the rear tape-measure for the front and the front tape-measure to the rear. Then confirm the second measurement is the same as the first measurement. If the second measurement is different from the first measurement, your tape-measures are not calibrated equally. Maybe the hook on one tape-measure is bent or more worn than the other. It would be more precise to use a single measuring device for both front and rear measurements. Quality Assurance my friend... I enjoy your videos very much. Thank you, -Paul
Just used this today and man it was so much easier than the old half-assed method of two pipes and bungies. Love how solid and easy to read the tool is.
I just got a set of the tools via UPS yesterday. They may not be strictly necessary but it's worth the price. But I'm a data guy so personally I like things to be accurate.
BleepinJeep - Matt, you don’t know how excited I would be to be the 1st Bleepin’ Girl! I’ve watched every one of your videos, and y’all are the reason I bought my XJ 😄 I’m on it! 🐞IIII🐞
Just thought I might add, that to make sure that the tape measure's are match grade. I've used different measuring tapes and realized that some manufactures can stretch an inch. Can you use those trammels to measure camber?
Got my Tool, It looks really good. I can't wait to get my new steering installed and use the tool! Thanks for the stickers!! Not sure the mustache is going to work. LOL
What is the purpose of dropping it on the rotors vs using jack stands on the axels? Is it possible to use this tool on the rotors and support it from jack stands instead of the rotors?
Since you were (kind of) using metric for accuracy, will there be metric numbers on the alignment bars themselves? And I'm personally weary on resting the car on brakes, even though it definitely isn't hirting much. Just hurts my brain
I personally like to go to firestone wheel alignment center and get the 4 wheel alignment and they remove the wheels and shoot lazers from the back through the front. Now they can adjust the rear adjustable control arms so the rears are in alignment with the fronts and you don't get crab walk going down the freeway. After a professional 4 wheel adjustment I can see doing it this way but not for the first alignment after a complete adjustable lift kit installation.
Hey Matt this is Bobby big fan of yours watch as much as possible. But have a question did my alignment measurement comes out equal went 1/16 over in the front but now my driver Wheels pointed out but I got the right measurement do you know what the problem is. Pastner will look straight drivers pointing out 65 3/4 in the front + 1/16 over in the back I'm getting frustrated
how do you know which one is out or if both are,on my yj if one is straight the other points out and vice versa,just start with one straight and bring in the other or have both kinda off and adjust both?
That's cool I always Jack the truck up on jack stands spawn the tire Andrew line down the middle of tire with a pen and then use a tape measure on each side and just measured front and back that is always were perfect for me it does require two people though
Mine just showed up in the mail today and it fits the 79 F250 8 lug hub with the 9/16 studs. Looks like it's super thick stainless steel and should last a lifetime.
On my jeep stock suspension I have 1.6 toe out on drive side and .6 toe out on passenger. Even if I adjust the sleeve for toe in Wont the wheels still be off? How do I get them align up if one adjusting sleeve connects to both tie rods? Won’t one always be off? Is there a bad ball joint or anything else that could cause this? Everything seems right when I checked it and I got new tie rods on it. Any help from anyone would be appreciated
I thought this was pretty awesome, but then I saw the full video description. [Edit, because everything gets misinterpreted on the Interwebs: that was to say that the video description is even more awesomely awesomer than the video.] [Super edit: I'm being frivolous, in reverent respect to the spectacular frivolity of the video description :) :) :) ]
Hey Bleeping Matt, thanks for this video. 2 questions: are you still selling the alignment tool & what happened to all the other bleepers? I've not seen anything from any of them recently.
there's also inverted y steering, where the drag link goes from 1 tire up to the rod that connects the other tire to the steering box (such as in a XJ) Putting the vehicle down on the rotors like this is ok ONLY if your rotors have retaining screws, without that they can cant over (on some vehicles the only thing that holds the rotors in place is the wheel, or sometimes people don't put the retaining screw (s) back in) You can get the same effect using jack stands under the front axle, preferably with the vehicle as close to level as possible (though a inch or two won't make a big difference)
I was thinking the same thing. With any Jeep front suspension, the toe adjustment shouldn't be affected much by where the axle is in its vertical travel, so whatever jackstand height you have should be close enough. Ball joints shouldn't impact toe angle at all on a solid front axle unless they're so worn that you need to replace them anyway.
Used this method similar to this to successfully to align. Had issue torquing the tie rod end clamp to 45 lbs. got it to around low 30’s but no tighter. The bolt actually started bending. Any ideas?
This setup and style of tie rod adjusts both at the same time... if you have a rack and pinion style you could adjust both the same distance but when moving an 1/8th and inch or so it's not going to make much difference anyway.
Why not just set the axle on jack stands? The weight of the vehicle would be on the axle but the wheels or rotors are free to rotate when you turn the tie rod.
I thought that same thing, that's how I've done it in the past. Only thing I can think of is the ball joints might rotate ever so slightly, but even that shouldn't effect the left/right of the toe adjustment. Also, if you have drums up front on an old vehicle (think the older CJ's) then you can't just set it down on the drum.
Hey Matt, re the bloody lip photo in the intro, that transfer case to the helmet (in the long ago vid) was a wake up call for some of us lol -- I'm still enjoying your older vids
Hi Matt I sent u a Q on a track bar on my 89 xj, u never responded, anyway my Q was do I need an adjustable track bar with 235*75*15s all stock, no lift. Thanks young man.
Hey Matt, you're right about the jeep needing to have a slight toe-in, but cars with a negative scrub radius such as a typical car with a Macpherson strut suspension needs to have a slight toe out. It's one thing to for me to blab about something on the internet, but it's another thing for me to explain why i believe I know what I'm talking about. I've taken several hunter alignment classes, and also I took a steering and suspension class in school when I got my degree in automotive technology.
I tried to recalculate the info stamped into the plates, and it seems like the calculations are not considering that both sides need .16 degrees of toe in. I come up with double the amount for x. Here is my calculation: distance front to back on plates = 23", times pi to get full circumference = 72.22", divided by 360 to get the movement in inches of the front of one plate for one degree = .2006 this would need to be multiplied by four to convert to front measurement minus rear measurment, (front moves .2006, back moves .2006, then times that by 2 because this is happening on both sides, equals .8024 for one degree. Multiply by .16 (desired toe in degrees, = .1284, or one eight of an inch diff between front and rear measurements.
I was going to buy this tool but your video says do not try at home. Do I guess I have to find someone else who has an alignment tool I can use at home
Will this work on 6x5.5 lug pattern? I don’t own a Jeep personally, but your vids are helpful all round. Keep up the great content.
Yes it will, here are all the tested lug patterns: Made to fit almost any axle including: 5×4.5, 5×5, 5×5.5, 6×5.5, 8×6.5, 8x170mm, UTV/ATV- 4/156
Sweet! Been needing to reset the to on my rig since I add a lift and bigger tires, and this looks like something to make the job simpler. Might be cutting some groceries out of the budget for this, but it will be worth it.
@@JH-jx7xs Jankie Hooker?
@@DrHavok1 wtf no
Your rotors and rust accumulation might account for a 1/2”
3 years later and you’re helping me prep for doing my own alignment, thank you sir!
First step, compare your two tape measures to ensure they measure the same. You’d be surprised how often they’re off 1/16” or more.
Bread996 or use a laser measuring tool?
That hooky thing at the end is what causes variance. But that IS a good recommendation.
You could just swap the same tape back and forth eliminate that variable right there.
Yep every guy who's ever measured once and cut twice knows... that, I think it's the way they did my circumcision
When my son was little, he raced go karts, and we had a similar tool to set our toe. Basically the same principle, straight edges on either spindle and measure front and back. Great video, keep it up!
im a broke asshole and cant buy the tools but i used this to do my alignment. SOO easy saved me 120 bucks. thanks for the videos.. big fan
Real throwback to the old days. "All the best off-road videos none of the boring stuff."
True that.
Just to be clear, track bar centers the axle. Drag link adjusts steering wheel, tie rod adjusts toe. I had a shop do my alignment but they sucked at it and couldn't even tighten a jam nut tight enough lol. Great video imma have to buy some of these or make my own! Thanks Matt
Yea all the shops just "Toe and Go"
That's the bad part of doing your own suspension work, no one will set the camber and caster back. at least that's how it is around here.
@@ChannelZeroOne
I have an alignment shop nearby that mostly does race cars. The owner competes in autocross.
Lucky me 😁
I know this comment is old, but I've done every single repair on my Jeep no problem, my weakness is aligning this darn thing myself!! Hate to sound dumb here but I never knew the track bar centers the axle lol No wonder why it sticks out farther on the driver side LOL!!! Thanks! After learning this simple thing I now know everything about my XJ haha
No! You guys are the best!
Saving this and putting this on my "buy" list!!!
That's the most comprehensive explanation I've found and it took minutes to understand, Thanks!!!
Your vids and especially your DELIVERY are getting better and better all the time! Great job!
BEST ALIGNMENT VIDEO I'VE SEEN SO FAR. I'LL BE ORDERING THIS TOOL..THANK YOU..
Love you videos because you show how to do it as a normal person. Normal people don't have a lift and what not.
Great tool! I made something similar to this a while ago, before stuff like this really became popular/easy to find on the internet. It works great I’ve been using it for years! I have never and will never pay for an alignment. In my experience with this method and a few other tricks I have been able to align my truck more accurately then my local shop with a laser alignment rack can.. So, I know purchasing something like this can be pricey but trust me if you know how to use it it’s well worth it!!
Even waiting for a prefab tool like this! Awesome.
I don’t have a jeep, but my buddy does so I will let him know about this because this is pretty clever and awesome!
Boy ain't that fancy" I did mine on my lifted Chevy in the parking lot of my hotel with two cinder blocks a string I use for laying brick and 4 peace of cardboard.
Excellent job Matt!
I believe this to be your second tool design, ETCG used your yoke holder on a video.
Any more and your going to have to start the Bleepin Tool Company
Oh, I did your first method on my WJ and it's awesome! 20 k miles and tires are wearing perfectly.
Your comment regarding being more precise by using one millimeter (.039") increments instead of one sixteenth of an inch is all well and very good. My concern is you have done nothing to qualify or calibrate your two independant measuring scales.
If you are going to use two different tape-measures, you should at least take a second measurement after swapping the rear tape-measure for the front and the front tape-measure to the rear. Then confirm the second measurement is the same as the first measurement. If the second measurement is different from the first measurement, your tape-measures are not calibrated equally. Maybe the hook on one tape-measure is bent or more worn than the other.
It would be more precise to use a single measuring device for both front and rear measurements. Quality Assurance my friend... I enjoy your videos very much.
Thank you, -Paul
Cool tool guys!
Great for us diy mechanics.
About to do heim steering. Definitely be getting this soon!
Just used this today and man it was so much easier than the old half-assed method of two pipes and bungies. Love how solid and easy to read the tool is.
Thanks! Would love a review on Amazon if you have the time.
BleepinJeep - Just reviewed it on Amazon. Glad to have it!
@@dennisneu6494 thanks man!
This should help me a bunch, Thanks!
Great tool!that looks like it makes it way easier
I just got a set of the tools via UPS yesterday. They may not be strictly necessary but it's worth the price. But I'm a data guy so personally I like things to be accurate.
Great video. I'll check it out on your store. I cant wait to see what else you do to that JL.
Order Placed! Thanks Matt!
I love you guys i think you should make a video on how you unwarp metal
Much better than using 2x4s like I learned with.
Pretty badass tool you've made there
Would this work on a Chevy Aveo with 4x100mm bolt pattern? Looks like a handy piece of metal there! 👌
Well that straightened that out 👍😀
Great info. Thank you.
Gonna have to get one soon.. Good to know I don't have to do a shop now!
Where I live if you want to adjust your tierod you best just go buy a new one. Rust city!
Great idea and tool!
How should I look up the correct measurements for my 99xj alignment?
Many moons ago I used a broom stick to align a 54' truck.. Lol It work.
Great video Matt. And yes, being a kiwi, the metric measurement is way easier to read and a bit more accurate.
Not only am I fan!!! I plan on continuing my skills and becoming the first Bleepin Jeep girl ! 🐞IIII🐞
do it, we need one!
BleepinJeep - Matt, you don’t know how excited I would be to be the 1st Bleepin’ Girl! I’ve watched every one of your videos, and y’all are the reason I bought my XJ 😄
I’m on it! 🐞IIII🐞
@@GoatOffroad
You're hired 😁
X Mo - 🤣😊😊
This tool is on my list
Just thought I might add, that to make sure that the tape measure's are match grade. I've used different measuring tapes and realized that some manufactures can stretch an inch. Can you use those trammels to measure camber?
Does this device work on all vehicles?
Ordered some on the 27th waiting for them to ship , I seen the post on IG , and was like " I gotta get that " .
Got my Tool, It looks really good. I can't wait to get my new steering installed and use the tool! Thanks for the stickers!! Not sure the mustache is going to work. LOL
I've been doing this on my FZJ80 Series with a few different types of straight edge material. Do you know if your jigs will fit a six-lug Toyota??
For an IFS how would you modify the procedure besides adjusting Both tie rods?
What is the purpose of dropping it on the rotors vs using jack stands on the axels? Is it possible to use this tool on the rotors and support it from jack stands instead of the rotors?
Sprung vs unsprung weight chances alignment
Does it work for all cars?
I changed my drag link to a flip rough country drag link I noticed a Lot more play on steering wheel any suggestions
That's pretty Genius I will have to order one when the time comes
thanks Jerry!
I still cant find where to buy that tool. , anyone??
Too easy....thank you for the video
Since you were (kind of) using metric for accuracy, will there be metric numbers on the alignment bars themselves?
And I'm personally weary on resting the car on brakes, even though it definitely isn't hirting much. Just hurts my brain
Do you have a video for caster and camber?
Amazing thank you!
This is a tool I’ll be buying
I personally like to go to firestone wheel alignment center and get the 4 wheel alignment and they remove the wheels and shoot lazers from the back through the front. Now they can adjust the rear adjustable control arms so the rears are in alignment with the fronts and you don't get crab walk going down the freeway. After a professional 4 wheel adjustment I can see doing it this way but not for the first alignment after a complete adjustable lift kit installation.
Hey Matt this is Bobby big fan of yours watch as much as possible. But have a question did my alignment measurement comes out equal went 1/16 over in the front but now my driver Wheels pointed out but I got the right measurement do you know what the problem is. Pastner will look straight drivers pointing out 65 3/4 in the front + 1/16 over in the back I'm getting frustrated
how do you know which one is out or if both are,on my yj if one is straight the other points out and vice versa,just start with one straight and bring in the other or have both kinda off and adjust both?
nice! ordering.
my steering kit got delivered the same time this video was uploaded
stock wrangler yj pulls to the right. leaf sprung no sway or track bars. new ball joints old tie rod ends. any ideas?
My question is how do you know in inches what the amount is supposed to be is it in my owners manual or online etc
I’ve done a angle iron aligner way back to 2005 to align a samurai then I used to align a few CJ that I had
Will this work on a lifted Jeep, and does it work on all Jeep's CJ, TJ, JK JL, and other vehicles?
Yep
That's cool I always Jack the truck up on jack stands spawn the tire Andrew line down the middle of tire with a pen and then use a tape measure on each side and just measured front and back that is always were perfect for me it does require two people though
Hey, I get what you are doing here, but how about making sure front axle is centered in the wheel well from front to back.
Thumbs up for the Metric System and smackin’ it around a lil’ bit.
Mine just showed up in the mail today and it fits the 79 F250 8 lug hub with the 9/16 studs. Looks like it's super thick stainless steel and should last a lifetime.
On my jeep stock suspension I have 1.6 toe out on drive side and .6 toe out on passenger. Even if I adjust the sleeve for toe in Wont the wheels still be off? How do I get them align up if one adjusting sleeve connects to both tie rods? Won’t one always be off? Is there a bad ball joint or anything else that could cause this? Everything seems right when I checked it and I got new tie rods on it. Any help from anyone would be appreciated
I thought this was pretty awesome, but then I saw the full video description. [Edit, because everything gets misinterpreted on the Interwebs: that was to say that the video description is even more awesomely awesomer than the video.] [Super edit: I'm being frivolous, in reverent respect to the spectacular frivolity of the video description :) :) :) ]
Why? You do know that the description is a joke right? Read the whole thing
Kids, please be sure to read the video description, ya hear now?
And order the cool gizmo while you're there.
Hey Bleeping Matt, thanks for this video. 2 questions: are you still selling the alignment tool & what happened to all the other bleepers? I've not seen anything from any of them recently.
Yes he is. I just bought it off Amazon.
there's also inverted y steering, where the drag link goes from 1 tire up to the rod that connects the other tire to the steering box (such as in a XJ)
Putting the vehicle down on the rotors like this is ok ONLY if your rotors have retaining screws, without that they can cant over (on some vehicles the only thing that holds the rotors in place is the wheel, or sometimes people don't put the retaining screw (s) back in)
You can get the same effect using jack stands under the front axle, preferably with the vehicle as close to level as possible (though a inch or two won't make a big difference)
I was thinking the same thing. With any Jeep front suspension, the toe adjustment shouldn't be affected much by where the axle is in its vertical travel, so whatever jackstand height you have should be close enough. Ball joints shouldn't impact toe angle at all on a solid front axle unless they're so worn that you need to replace them anyway.
Once the lug nuts are tightened the rotors are not going to cant!
I always use metric when accuracy is needed. :)
Matt do you know why it is recommended to have any toe in?
Whered ya get the jeep fan shirt!?
My website, Bleepinjeep.com
Does this work for jeep wrangler jk ?
Basic question here, I have the same JL Steer Smarts set up. How do I adjust the Steering wheel the proper way with there drag link?
My previous video on installing the steer smarts kit explains it!
BleepinJeep Thanks I appreciate the info
Nice tool....If it was in mm that would be sweet
Can you do this aliment using your tool if the Jeep is on a two posts lift?
It would be better to be on the weight of the vehicle because if any components are slightly warn it will cause the alignment to change slightly.
@@bleepinjeep ok great thank you 👍
Used this method similar to this to successfully to align. Had issue torquing the tie rod end clamp to 45 lbs. got it to around low 30’s but no tighter. The bolt actually started bending. Any ideas?
If it's not a jl maybe it's a lower torque spec.
2015 jku. Thought that’s what it said for my year model.
Link?
*How do you know not to adjust the left tie rod more than the right tie rod?*
This setup and style of tie rod adjusts both at the same time... if you have a rack and pinion style you could adjust both the same distance but when moving an 1/8th and inch or so it's not going to make much difference anyway.
Much improved video
What about camber and caster angle?
This tool only does toe.
This jeep hasn't got the other adjustments.
What if the passenger side wheel is towed out how do you get the right side to be straight
Will this. Work good. For 31 inch tires?
Yes of course!
@@bleepinjeep Thank you
Why not just set the axle on jack stands? The weight of the vehicle would be on the axle but the wheels or rotors are free to rotate when you turn the tie rod.
I thought that same thing, that's how I've done it in the past. Only thing I can think of is the ball joints might rotate ever so slightly, but even that shouldn't effect the left/right of the toe adjustment. Also, if you have drums up front on an old vehicle (think the older CJ's) then you can't just set it down on the drum.
What if your stabilizerbracket is welded on the bar?
That's unfortunate. Should never let someone do that. You cant ever adjust while its welded.
I dont understand. The jeep is hold by the break disk? What are the ramps for?
Verify nothing moved ? A tool like this?
Hey Matt, re the bloody lip photo in the intro, that transfer case to the helmet (in the long ago vid) was a wake up call for some of us lol -- I'm still enjoying your older vids
Yes, it woke me up for sure 😄
Hi Matt I sent u a Q on a track bar on my 89 xj, u never responded, anyway my Q was do I need an adjustable track bar with 235*75*15s all stock, no lift. Thanks young man.
No, you don't need it for tires. It's to keep the axle center after a lift kit is added.
@@TheAmericanUhate Thank You Sir.
So I'll Need To Order Two?
Website says sold in pairs. $75
What about camber and caster?
This jeep doesn't have those other adjustments
what do you do when it wont turn
That will do your toe in and out for straight axels.
Hey Matt, you're right about the jeep needing to have a slight toe-in, but cars with a negative scrub radius such as a typical car with a Macpherson strut suspension needs to have a slight toe out.
It's one thing to for me to blab about something on the internet, but it's another thing for me to explain why i believe I know what I'm talking about. I've taken several hunter alignment classes, and also I took a steering and suspension class in school when I got my degree in automotive technology.
1/16 on each side for toe in or 1/16 divide in both sides
I tried to recalculate the info stamped into the plates, and it seems like the calculations are not considering that both sides need .16 degrees of toe in. I come up with double the amount for x. Here is my calculation:
distance front to back on plates = 23", times pi to get full circumference = 72.22", divided by 360 to get the movement in inches of the front of one plate for one degree = .2006 this would need to be multiplied by four to convert to front measurement minus rear measurment, (front moves .2006, back moves .2006, then times that by 2 because this is happening on both sides, equals .8024 for one degree. Multiply by .16 (desired toe in degrees, = .1284, or one eight of an inch diff between front and rear measurements.
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I was going to buy this tool but your video says do not try at home. Do I guess I have to find someone else who has an alignment tool I can use at home