ATLAS GRINDER HONE REVISITED + BELSAW

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  • Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
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  • @ArtByLukeW
    @ArtByLukeW 11 місяців тому +14

    We all love you, Pete!

  • @duron700r
    @duron700r 11 місяців тому +1

    Probly told this story. Uncle had Foley-Belsaw machines at Bud's Saw Shop. Dad always brought his Skilsaw blades (sandwched between two pieces of plywood cut out for that purpose) up when we visited. We'd be downstairs sharpening Skilsaw blades plus he could sharpen circle sawmill blades and reset the kerf on an attachment. Swing the leg out, set the die and adjust just like the little blades.
    Neat video again! You show us options and hopefully spur other fellows thoughts about sharpening old blades.
    No sense throwing them away, let's resharpen!

  • @christurley391
    @christurley391 11 місяців тому +12

    The softer the material to be lapped, the softer the lap should be. The idea being, the abrasive imbeds and sticks in the lap and abrades the item to be lapped. This reduces the wear on the plate itself.
    Thanks again.

    • @bwyseymail
      @bwyseymail 11 місяців тому +1

      " softer the material to be lapped," Actually they use copper laps to polish the facets on diamonds using diamond dust as the abrasive.

  • @cbabb100
    @cbabb100 11 місяців тому +8

    Thanks Mr Pete, the copper plate in use would be charged with very fine abrasive, such as diamond lapping compound to polish ceramic materials.

  • @kevinkoepke8311
    @kevinkoepke8311 11 місяців тому +2

    I had an obsession with Belsaw in my youth. I would read my dad's Belsaw bulletin's and dream of being in business on my own.
    Later, I bought their 10550 sharpening machine, table saw, and took their locksmithing course.
    Thanks, Mr. Pete!

  • @evil16v1
    @evil16v1 11 місяців тому +4

    I actually found a craftsman hone, exactly like yours at a swap meet in springfield mo. I thought about buying it. Decided i didn't have the real estate to keep it set up. But thanks to your video, i knew what it was. That's another value of these videos going forward.

  • @patrickboudreau3846
    @patrickboudreau3846 11 місяців тому +4

    I just love this man. 80 years old and still passionate and going like an energizer battery. You give me hope that i can also be happy when my old age comes around the corner.

    • @mrpete222
      @mrpete222  11 місяців тому +2

      Thank you for that high compliment. You can do it. By the way, this was filmed before I had Covid, lol.

  • @bigmikex2333
    @bigmikex2333 11 місяців тому

    Those are fine for woodworkers. I prefer a CBN wheel for anything else.
    Thank you Mr. Pete for your love of machines.

  • @user-rk4zm3nb5f
    @user-rk4zm3nb5f 11 місяців тому +6

    Ingenious, Mr. Pete! I have a Clausing lathe, a 90 degree drill device, and a 12" sanding disc, it just never occurred to me to put them all together. I'll give it a shot later today. Thank you, sir.

  • @67L-88
    @67L-88 11 місяців тому +2

    Thank You Mr Pete for honing in on another subject....

  • @paulhunt598
    @paulhunt598 11 місяців тому +2

    I have a Foley Belsaw 1"x42" belt sander and 8" disc sander combo machine. It is mounted on a matching sheet metal base. It looks modern in its design, but I purchased it used and don't know its vintage. Like many modern 1x42 belt sanders the belt cannot be arranged to do inside sanding of a hole. It is a fairly light duty machine designed for the hobby market, but still of admirable quality. It is a daily user in my woodshop.
    I didn't know the history of the Foley and Belsaw merger. I have owned my machine for at least 10 years. My machine is in pristine condition in spite of regular use. It proved to be a very good $100 pawn shop purchase. I own at least 7 belt sanders from hobby grade to industrial. The Foley Belsaw gets the most frequent use in spite of it being inferior to 3 bigger and better machines.
    You did a video on a Bandsander or your copy of the Bandsander. I don't recall the video details. I own a Bandsander. It was my first 1x42 machine. I purchased it to fill that size niche, but was dismissive of it for being a cheesey machine. After enjoying the Belsaw so much and setting up the dedicated machine shop, I felt the need for a 1x42 machine in the machine shop. The long dismissive and unloved Bandsander is now frequently used. They were sold without motors. Mine is still equipped with the cheesey repurposed undersized motor that was with it when I purchased it. But it is handy enough to not warrant a proper upgrade. 2" and 6" industrial machines are only steps away. This allows me to keep dedicated grit sizes on each machine and use them in the ways that best serve my requirements.
    Baldor and Kalamazoo sold decent quality 2" belt sanders in a variety of configurations. I think that most of the belt sander parts are interchangeable. Our shop had a machine set up at virtually every workstation for deburing purposes. We always purchased our machines from Kalamazoo, but some came equipped with Kalamazoo motors and others had Baldor motors. Double shafted units allowed grinder/wire wheel/scotch Brite wheel/buffing wheel options. You have at least 2 of the Baldor 2" machines. I only have 1. They are excellent machines and are pretty moderately priced for industrial quality. Some of our Kalamazoo motor machines seemed under powered though rated the same as Baldor motors. Someone tried to save $ and purchased the same speced Dayton 2" machine. It was a joke and only lasted a few weeks before it was replaced with the Kalamazoo. I have often wondered how Baldor and Kalamazoo were married. I purchased all of my repair parts from Clausing Service Center after the Kalamazoo and Clausing merger.
    Do you know any details between the Clausing and Colchester relationship? The logo on our machines was always Clausing/Colchester. These were far superior machines to any Clausing machine that I have seen. I was in my former shop recently and saw a new Clausing/Colchester lathe sporting white and green highlight colors. I didn't examine it closely. The color combo made me wonder if this machine is now outsourced from the Orient? We had 15 or more Clausing/Colchester lathes during my employment. All of them were UK machines. Our shop was very loyal to Clausing/Colchester. During 35 years that I worked there we had a LeBlond and a Mazak Mate. But neither were as loved as much as the Clausing Colchester machines.

    • @mrpete222
      @mrpete222  11 місяців тому +1

      Great comment. I did, indeed on a bell, saw sounder on its own stand. Are used it for many years, and then sold it because I had duplicates. I bought it at a garage sale.
      I own two Kalamazoo Sanders, which are my favorite. I also had a Kalamazoo at the high school, it was indestructible.

  • @jodydoakes8754
    @jodydoakes8754 11 місяців тому +4

    Thanks for another interesting video. Please keep this kind of stuff coming. Love it. You have confirmed my distaste for sharpening anything. It almost always requires manually holding an angle which I never could do, and I have not found anything that consistently helps me do it. Everything I own is dull, dull, dull.

  • @lathammarx1458
    @lathammarx1458 6 місяців тому

    That Belsaw hone is nice, definitely a quality piece, you always have the good stuff Tubalcain!

  • @metalshopwithtroy5755
    @metalshopwithtroy5755 11 місяців тому +5

    Thank you Mr Pete was a great video and would like to see more.
    I remember watching clickspring when Chris was using a tin lap for his tailstock. For his small lathe.
    Lapping is such a skill by itself to learn.
    Thank you😊❤

  • @johncloar1692
    @johncloar1692 11 місяців тому +2

    Thanks Mr. Pete. Always an interesting video. Thanks for taking the time to make these wonderful videos.

  • @RRINTHESHOP
    @RRINTHESHOP 11 місяців тому +1

    Well Rube you have a lot going on there in the shop today. Nice set of grinding equipment.

  • @joelwatts9042
    @joelwatts9042 11 місяців тому +1

    I have a Foley Belsaw catalog from 1990. They have a clipper hone w/14 inch plate. At that time it was $569.00. They also carried a selection of woodworking tools such as lathes, Sanders, table saws, jointers etc. A lot of sharpening equipment too. Thanks Mr Pete.

    • @mrpete222
      @mrpete222  11 місяців тому +3

      yes, and foley even had a school in Minnesota, where you could learn how to sharpen saws. My friends, dad attended that, bought all the machinery on time, and scarcely eaked out a few dollars spending money.

  • @PhillipWilliams-hc3oj
    @PhillipWilliams-hc3oj 7 місяців тому

    I have one I inherited from my dad. I actually love it. I Have two more grinders; one with two grinding wheels and one with a grinder and a wire brush, but I really like the hone on this one. . Enjoyed your two part refurb videos. Thanks. Scott W.

  • @steveparker8723
    @steveparker8723 11 місяців тому +1

    Thanks for the video MrPete.
    My younger brother has a entire Foley-Bellsaw setup.
    He bought it from a friend that sharpened all kinds of saws for many years. He had a shop at his home.

  • @dondotson4604
    @dondotson4604 11 місяців тому

    I would love to have the honing machine you are showing, but I am also too old to matter. I do like to pass on what I know. My grandson drownd in May of this year. and I am worried about our country. I am glad he will not have to face what is coming. I may not live to see it, but I am praying for all my grand kids and great grand kids.
    Keep doing what you are doing, lots of us still watch and appreciate what you do.God bless

    • @mrpete222
      @mrpete222  11 місяців тому

      Heartbreaking to hear about your grandma son. All we can do is pray.

  • @TheUncleRuckus
    @TheUncleRuckus 11 місяців тому +2

    Mr. Pete, the only thing I know of that Copper plates like that are used for is polishing facets on materials like Glass, Minerals like Calcite, Quartz, Turquoise etc. and on Semiprecious & Precious stones.

  • @sallybrokaw6124
    @sallybrokaw6124 11 місяців тому +1

    Pete,you may not be aware that Belsaw manufactured sawmills. They weren't the same quality as Frick and other longtime sawmill machinery builders. However, a farmer with a woodlot could cut out fence boards or whatever to repair and maintain the barns and accoutrements. AL B.

    • @mrpete222
      @mrpete222  11 місяців тому

      Yes, I was aware of that and I believe I mentioned that in this video or maybe it was another They all wish ran ads in popular mechanics

  • @victoryfirst2878
    @victoryfirst2878 11 місяців тому +1

    SO nice to see my shop teacher on UA-cam. Hope all is well and peace to you my friend !!!!

  • @dannyl2598
    @dannyl2598 11 місяців тому +1

    Thank you Mr Pete. I have a Bell Saw planer that my Dad had and the local, mom and pop hardware store has an old Bell Saw circular saw sharpener in the back room.

  • @Duckfarmer27
    @Duckfarmer27 11 місяців тому +1

    Lyle - Good video - and a good thing I've never tripped over one of those honing machines at an auction or garage sale. Had to laugh at the invasive version of the lady bug - we have the exact same problem. They drive my wife crazy this time of year. Have a good week.

    • @ronalddavis
      @ronalddavis 11 місяців тому

      i got bitten by one once. the red ones with black spots. i always thought they were harmless. hurt like hell.

  • @Siskiyous6
    @Siskiyous6 11 місяців тому

    A great look at a cool tool, and an interesting topic.

  • @TXShelbyman
    @TXShelbyman 11 місяців тому

    I've watched all the videos on this grinder hone. After seeing your Belsaw hone I hunted one down. Apparently they were used for sharpening clipper blades. I plan on using it for wood working chisels.

    • @mrpete222
      @mrpete222  11 місяців тому

      Yes, they were for barbers

  • @shawnbenson979
    @shawnbenson979 11 місяців тому

    i remember small engine repair and sharpening things in the popular mechanics dad had on the coffee table.

  • @chrischapel9165
    @chrischapel9165 11 місяців тому +1

    I am a barber and my shears are Nics brand =$$$$$ ,,, so myself and most other hair people will send their expensive" scissors"to the manufacturer to be sharpened. There was a guy with a station wagon that was a portable grinding station with a couple of grinders and various plates of different grits and leathers with a jig that held the shear. He came to my shop one day in a snowstorm and I remember him under the station wagons popped tailgate with snow swirling down around the car... That guy was as good as factory sharpening.

  • @davidt8438
    @davidt8438 11 місяців тому

    We used to make a switchable capacitor box that used a rotary switch. We’d charge it up and take turns with the leads on our tongue to see who could tolerate the most electrical shock. Loads of fun and full of screams. Shop class was the highlight of the day.

  • @orangetruckman
    @orangetruckman 11 місяців тому

    I never saw one of these before your video, was able to buy one at an auction and now a Clausing version of this hone is for sale by me. How funny. I enjoy your videos sir

  • @rickhand8228
    @rickhand8228 11 місяців тому

    You could possibly install the cast iron disk on a drill press by installing the shaft from the smooth or working side and applying your abrasive disk over the shaft then placing the shaft in the drill chuck. On some drill presses, a guide could be fabricated and bolted to the table to help with keeping a consistent angle on the tool being sharpened. Just a thought, not a recommendation! Thanks for another great video!

  • @angelramos-2005
    @angelramos-2005 11 місяців тому

    Good video,mrpete.The horizontal discs were used for faceting stones also, as were the copper discs with dyamond powder or silicone carbide grit.Very popular in the South West some decades ago.Thank you.

    • @mrpete222
      @mrpete222  11 місяців тому +1

      Thanks for the info

  • @user-ll9zd2dh6h
    @user-ll9zd2dh6h 11 місяців тому +1

    Is that like the Foley-Belsaw locksmith correspondence course offered in the back of comic books with written testimonials by such as "T.R. Davis of Detroit Mich."I am a disabled vet and your course saved my life as I was on the verge of suicide..."

    • @mrpete222
      @mrpete222  11 місяців тому

      Yes, you just crack me up. So true.

  • @familyd5952
    @familyd5952 11 місяців тому

    Good Sunday Morning Mr Pete!!!
    The Tennessee Mole Man
    👍🇺🇸🍊🍊🍊🙏✝️
    PS:Had Cataract Surgery Last Week…
    One Down, One to Go!!!
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    • @mrpete222
      @mrpete222  11 місяців тому +1

      I go to the eye doctor in three weeks

    • @familyd5952
      @familyd5952 11 місяців тому

      @@mrpete222
      👍🤞🙏✝️😊

  • @edl5074
    @edl5074 11 місяців тому

    Great video Mr pete always look forward to them .keep up the good work !!! Hope you have a great day God bless

  • @hersch_tool
    @hersch_tool 11 місяців тому

    Hey Mr Pete, your voice is sounding much better in this vid. In the last vid, power feed drilling, you sounded a bit rough. After the whole flu thing you went through, it's good to hear you back to your healthy sounding self. Love your vids, always enjoy a new Mr Pete vid on a weekend morning, it's the adult version of sat morn cartoons. Have learned and continue to learn so much from you.

    • @mrpete222
      @mrpete222  11 місяців тому +2

      That’s because I made this video one month before I had Covid, lol

    • @hersch_tool
      @hersch_tool 11 місяців тому

      @@mrpete222 Ah, well dang... 😂

  • @rogertaylor1589
    @rogertaylor1589 11 місяців тому

    I believe that BS & Foley also made saw blade and reel lawnmower sharpening equipment. The pastor that married us had a Renault that caught on fire and nearly wiped out his kids seated in the rear.

    • @mrpete222
      @mrpete222  11 місяців тому +1

      When I sold that car, the new owner stopped to pick up a hitchhiker. The hitchhiker was smoking, and threw the cigarette out the window, and it went into the backseat and a fire soon began. Luckily, he had his thermos bottle and poured it on the fire, lol. No loss, he should have let it burn on the shoulder of the road.

  • @EVILDR235
    @EVILDR235 11 місяців тому

    I had a 1958 Renault Dauphine like that I bought in 1968 for $15.00 dollars with a bad engine. I removed the bucket seats and put them in my 1950 Ford sedan and along with the battery. I also removed the heavy duty battery cable that ran from the front of the car to the rear. Also found a 11mm combo wrench under the drivers seat and that sold the car for scrap to a wrecking yard for $15.00 and a used muffler for the Ford.

    • @mrpete222
      @mrpete222  11 місяців тому +1

      The wrecking yard is a great place for a dauphine

    • @EVILDR235
      @EVILDR235 11 місяців тому

      They were famous for turning over on their sides if you drove them to hard around corners. I saw several over the years with body damage on one side of the car or the other. @@mrpete222

  • @michaelcerkez3895
    @michaelcerkez3895 11 місяців тому

    Lyle I believe you're like me. We just live machines of any type and if need be we'll even bring them back into working condition. Have a good day.

  • @robertwalker7457
    @robertwalker7457 11 місяців тому

    Thanks for that, you are pretty sharp as always.

  • @jimdean7335
    @jimdean7335 11 місяців тому

    I happen to be looking thru a 1953 Popular Mechanics Magazine and saw an ad for this Grinder Hone. It says “Slickest Tool you’ve ever seen”. Price was $31.50.

  • @danbreyfogle8486
    @danbreyfogle8486 11 місяців тому

    I was given a Foley BelSaw wood planer/rip saw and have never used it. Well I guess I used it to set other useless things on. The design of this would allow you to plane wood and rip it to width at the same time. It also allowed using profile blades in the planer to make trim. I want to sell the dumb thing or perhaps run it to the scrap yard as it has no ability for dust control and based on its construction it probably sounds like a combine when running.

    • @mrpete222
      @mrpete222  11 місяців тому

      Lol. Put it on craigslist yeah.

  • @chrism4008
    @chrism4008 11 місяців тому

    I would love to have one of those, i love the look of the old belt driven tools. I how that one day i can have some acres with a barn work shop. Ill have it running on a hit and miss engine for fun.
    Im worried about the things we're forgetting, some of it is pretty useful

  • @virtualmarc2383
    @virtualmarc2383 11 місяців тому

    What I was about 11 years old I put a 7-inch sanding discs on an angle grinder and mounted it in the vise and proceeded to sharpen my large axe. I learned what a bad idea it is to sharpen in the wrong direction when the disc and the rubber backing went by my left ear and the acts went by my right ear.

  • @rogertaylor1589
    @rogertaylor1589 11 місяців тому +1

    At our school. the auto teacher would charge up a distributor condenser and leave it on his desk as a deterrent to students messing with his desk.

  • @RambozoClown
    @RambozoClown 11 місяців тому +1

    Nice dog!

  • @azlandpilotcar4450
    @azlandpilotcar4450 11 місяців тому +2

    Copper lapping plate may be used for stone, ceramic, and glass? Would a jacobs chuck fit on the hone drive shaft of the Atlas?

  • @gabewhisen3446
    @gabewhisen3446 11 місяців тому +1

    I hate to say it but your Renault is a set of toasters in a sears in Shreveport by now

  • @ernerstowerdum3942
    @ernerstowerdum3942 11 місяців тому

    Excelent vídeo, master

  • @dankotos61
    @dankotos61 11 місяців тому +1

    also made a key machine for cutting keys

  • @joelmollenkopf3767
    @joelmollenkopf3767 11 місяців тому

    Excellent

  • @dankotos61
    @dankotos61 11 місяців тому +1

    Craftsman Atlas 109 lathe that I'm rebuilding

  • @bluetoad2001
    @bluetoad2001 11 місяців тому

    Belsaw made handsaw Toothers, Planers and other tools

  • @CalPil0t
    @CalPil0t 11 місяців тому

    The 10 inch disc may be from a Shopsmith 10E or Mark V.

  • @fourfortyroadrunner6701
    @fourfortyroadrunner6701 11 місяців тому

    I'm another, have the one my Dad bought when I was a kid. I'm 75 now. Like everyone else, LOL I need a hone stone. Mine is actually stuck in the machine, seems to be swollen from oil?

  • @seanobrien7169
    @seanobrien7169 11 місяців тому

    Grandiose plans...lots of grandiose plans...
    Every year is getting shorter
    Never seem to find the time
    Plans that either come to naught
    Or half a page of scribbled lines...

    • @mrpete222
      @mrpete222  11 місяців тому

      Lots of truth to that.

  • @MrShobar
    @MrShobar 11 місяців тому

    A firetruck should've been sold with each Dauphine. Folei-Belsaw also marketed handsaw and circular saw sharpening machines promoted as a way "to be your own boss" and "to make money in your spare time". Who uses handsaws anymore, let alone sharpens them? (I own about fifteen of them and sharpen and set them by hand. Truly a lost art).

    • @mrpete222
      @mrpete222  11 місяців тому +1

      Very true. There used to be countless ads at the back of popular mechanics, magazine telling you how you could get rich. Sharpen saws, sharpen, lawnmower, blades, make keys, bronze, your baby shoes, and many other scams as well. No one got rich except the promoters, fix television sets, fix, radiators, learn, air conditioning, and get rich

    • @alro2434
      @alro2434 11 місяців тому

      @@mrpete222 Was the King Midget as scam? The cheap tools I got from those ads sure killed my kid optimism. Hardly strayed from the Sears Roebuck catalog after that.

    • @MrShobar
      @MrShobar 11 місяців тому

      @@mrpete222 My favorite was the jet engine-powered bicycle.

  • @tgfcujhb7583
    @tgfcujhb7583 11 місяців тому +1

    👍👍👍🎃

  • @allencurley5953
    @allencurley5953 11 місяців тому

    Copper side diemond dust 6000 grit and mineral oil

  • @danielcoleman3111
    @danielcoleman3111 11 місяців тому

    There was an Atlas motorized version.

    • @mrpete222
      @mrpete222  11 місяців тому

      Really? I have never seen or heard of one.

    • @danielcoleman3111
      @danielcoleman3111 11 місяців тому

      It pass through our Guild shop as an estate donation. I think it lives at New Haven, MO, now.

  • @roylucas1027
    @roylucas1027 11 місяців тому +1

    It must have been a grind making this video.

  • @allencurley5953
    @allencurley5953 11 місяців тому

    Use water jet cutter

  • @chrischapel9165
    @chrischapel9165 11 місяців тому +1

    FYI, stropping can be done on your pant leg etc.. cutting up a deer and your knife is getting dull ...stropp it on your pant leg .. and lay that burr edge straight

  • @chrischapel9165
    @chrischapel9165 11 місяців тому

    "consistent angle" a straight razor is designed with a consistent angle,so alls you have to do is lay the razor onto the hone and it will have the perfect angle.... and when the razor wont cut whiskers no matter how many times you sharpen it ... that angle is worn and the razor is junk

  • @ebenbildable
    @ebenbildable 11 місяців тому +1

    Since you're "Never gonna use this..." why not just throw it in the trash.

    • @Ekanselter
      @Ekanselter 11 місяців тому +1

      ??????????

    • @bwyseymail
      @bwyseymail 11 місяців тому +1

      PeteBay. PeteBay. Petebay.