Why Policemen Used Non-Curved Katana (The History of Katana Swordsmanship)

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  • @LetsaskShogo
    @LetsaskShogo  7 місяців тому +37

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    • @DontPretendtoCare
      @DontPretendtoCare 3 місяці тому

      I bet it was a dream come true to be sponsored by the state for your kendo skills.

  • @angelosilva342
    @angelosilva342 9 місяців тому +417

    Nice to have you back Shogo!

    • @macruz8503
      @macruz8503 9 місяців тому +2

      I call him chocko!

  • @Serenity_Dee
    @Serenity_Dee 9 місяців тому +1010

    One of the fun things about the curved katana is that the curve isn't forged in with the hammer, but created during the quench, through the careful use of the clay through differential hardening. You can find footage online of bladesmiths quenching such a blade in a clear tank and see the curve developing. It's eerie and fascinating.

    • @erniemathews5085
      @erniemathews5085 9 місяців тому +30

      you said it first and best.

    • @Uryendel
      @Uryendel 9 місяців тому +22

      it's not the clay that make the curve, it's how you put the blade in the bath of coolant

    • @M0rb
      @M0rb 9 місяців тому +60

      It's both the result of the forging process and the selective quenching actually. The blade's curvature is also refined afterwards, using a hot block of copper for example. There are many more variables that influences the blade's curvature. Interestingly during the quenching process the blade curves frontside before going back and settling to the intended shape. You can see this in the fishtank quenching videos you mentionned.

    • @5co756
      @5co756 9 місяців тому +25

      ​@@UryendelNo , the clay let the blade cool down slower were the clay is thicker . It colls down slower at the back and faster at the edge and this creates the curve .

    • @Uryendel
      @Uryendel 9 місяців тому +8

      @@5co756 if that was the case you wouldn't be able to make a straight blade. And the clay doesn't prevent cooling, it prevent heating
      Katana blade are drop t in a bassin parallel to the ground with a movement that create the curve. Now if you want a straight, you drop the blade at once in a tube perpendicular to the ground

  • @tehchikon
    @tehchikon 9 місяців тому +88

    I've been playing Like a Dragon: Isshin! lately and have been learning all about the Shinsengumi and the Meiji period. Thank you for providing more information about this very tumultuous and interesting point in Japan's history. And welcome back Shogo!

  • @IkedaHakubi
    @IkedaHakubi 9 місяців тому +11

    It's been a while. Glad to see you back!

  • @kalandarkclaw8892
    @kalandarkclaw8892 9 місяців тому +329

    I love how you not only broke down the reasons for the blades but also the political and social issues so clearly.
    Japans eras never cease to amaze me

  • @adriellightvale8140
    @adriellightvale8140 9 місяців тому +2416

    You're telling me that they aren't ninja blades, but cop blades?!

    • @MasterOfBaiter
      @MasterOfBaiter 9 місяців тому +416

      What is a ninja but a cop undercover.

    • @Makingnewnamesisdumb
      @Makingnewnamesisdumb 9 місяців тому +177

      What if ACAB includes ninjas?

    • @MasterOfBaiter
      @MasterOfBaiter 9 місяців тому +142

      @@Makingnewnamesisdumb reject feudal lord ideology and ninja simping!

    • @vids595
      @vids595 9 місяців тому +25

      @@MasterOfBaiter What do cops have to do with assassins?

    • @MasterOfBaiter
      @MasterOfBaiter 9 місяців тому +227

      @@vids595 ninja were not really assassins in history they were more intelligence gatherers and a lot of them were actually samurai. Literal undercover officers of the state.

  • @MercenaryJames
    @MercenaryJames 9 місяців тому +43

    Shogo remains my favorite channel in regards to Japanese culture and understanding. Love your videos.

  • @jayrice5736
    @jayrice5736 9 місяців тому +31

    Arigatou gozaimasu, Shogo-San! Your videos are always helpful!

  • @ARKYmouse
    @ARKYmouse 9 місяців тому +17

    This was indispensably informative, Shogo-san! This clears up a lot of my own confusion and misconceptions about the change in blade styles during the Meiji Restoration Period.

  • @sportstermissions
    @sportstermissions 9 місяців тому +41

    Nobody does it better than Shogo! 👍🏽

  • @sageofsixpathskakashi3742
    @sageofsixpathskakashi3742 9 місяців тому +108

    As an overseas kendoka I was super surpried to learn so much about it in a non kendo video. It also funny that kendo was used both by the Shogunate in the form of the Shinsengumi and by the Government with the Battoutai.
    "We may have our differences but we agree on one thing. Kendo wins wars"

    • @23Disciple
      @23Disciple 9 місяців тому +12

      I cannot agree. Shinsegumi used classic gekiken (free sparring), look at Tenen rishin ryu. Yes, they used similar gear, it is ancestor of kendo, but whole gekiken is ancestor of kendo, which is sport with rules, and gekiken is training method. Yes, i see videos with "old school kendo", but thats practicaly gekiken before rules was setted.

    • @Ianmar1
      @Ianmar1 9 місяців тому +13

      @@23Disciple Gekiken was a gamification of the uchikomi keiko of the jikishinkage ryu, which was first made into a sport within the Nakanishi-ha itto ryu and popularised by the 14th headmaster of jikishinkage ryu Sakakibara Kinkichi, who founded the Gekken Kogyo. Uchikomi keiko was a corrective measure for "dead" kata, gekiken since renamed to kendo was always an extracurricular sport.
      Free sparring is a very modern concept, the people of that time would have had duels, the purpose of which was to prove their system and skill. The word for a duel between students of different schools is taryu jiai not gekiken.

  • @chopperchuck
    @chopperchuck 9 місяців тому +71

    I have always been fascinated by Japan it's people it's culture it's history I've got a lot of books on the subject
    Your channel has greatly expanded my knowledge thank you

    • @i6power30
      @i6power30 9 місяців тому +4

      It's its. Not it's

  • @liquidminddesign1367
    @liquidminddesign1367 9 місяців тому +260

    Just a small nit-pick about the purpose of the curve. Although said curve DOES make for a better cutting/slashing implement vs a straight blade, it is NOT actually any sharper (assuming equal craftsmanship). The improved cutting dynamic has to do with the relationship between the blade shape and the natural arc that a human body will produce when swinging it. Think leverage, surface area, and ergonomics rather than inherent mechanical sharpness.
    Great video! Super interesting!

    • @rogerp4612
      @rogerp4612 8 місяців тому +6

      Correct.

    • @deltrex
      @deltrex 8 місяців тому +14

      This is actually not true. a light curve does not impact cutting capacity of a sword directly in most cases, the only impact is in the fact that it makes it easier to feel the edge alignment.
      Curves do (stronger curves more) increase the ability to draw cut, but draw cuts are very uncommon in Kenjitsu or Iaido and are only common (as far as I know) in fighting styles with very curved sabres.

    • @Ikaros---
      @Ikaros--- 8 місяців тому +7

      @@deltrex on top of this, a curved blade also increases the pressure at the edge, the smaller the contact area, the better the cut, it's why scissors have their distinctive shape, rather than just clamping 2 parallel blades together, and why axes usually have curved edges.

    • @chaosXP3RT
      @chaosXP3RT 8 місяців тому

      I don't trust you. What's your source?

    • @Talon19
      @Talon19 8 місяців тому +18

      @@deltrex
      Drawing cuts occur whenever a blade moves in an arc. Swing a blade, creates a draw cut, more curve, more draw cut.

  • @tsoonklah
    @tsoonklah 9 місяців тому +14

    Your videos are the best & most enjoyable! Don’t mind the less frequency at all, if anything it makes me even happier to see a new one. ❤

  • @_fawkes
    @_fawkes 9 місяців тому +18

    This video makes me want to go and watch Rurouni Kenshin again. Great content as always. And welcome back!

    • @-elle-o.o
      @-elle-o.o 3 місяці тому

      Same! (Particularly the live action films) :D

  • @heronwireo1085
    @heronwireo1085 9 місяців тому +8

    I think you are right about the 'ninja sword' not to mention the whole ninja panoply. Movies aside, a spy/scout and a commando are very different things. If a spy does his job right, no violence ever happens; he or she blends in, does nothing suspicious and sticks to his story. Much safer if he isn't armed at all. Most special 'gadgets' if any are reserved for the most dangerous parts, which would rarely include assassination (e.g., Operation Valkyrie) but more commonly communication with his handlers. Ninja commandos if they existed, no doubt trained for night raids and wore camouflage, but their weapons and gear was likely not otherwise different.

  • @monicab204
    @monicab204 9 місяців тому +49

    Thanks Shogo! Wonderful presentation on the straight katana. ❤

  • @sidequest_studio
    @sidequest_studio 4 місяці тому +11

    This is really cool because so many blade "experts" have said that the straight blade katana is a product of Hollywood.

  • @ichibanbento
    @ichibanbento 9 місяців тому +8

    Yay Shogo is back! It was very informative thank you!

  • @CarterElkins
    @CarterElkins 9 місяців тому +7

    I love the presentation style of this channel and Seki Sensei’s. Showing me a table of contents seems like it would steal the video’s thunder, but in reality, it usually piques my interest, while setting an expectation of what’s to come. It’s remarkably relaxing.

  • @stevenfriedman2902
    @stevenfriedman2902 9 місяців тому +8

    A very informative video. Love hearing about Japanese history (along with history of weapons in general) and hope to some day visit. You've just gotten another subscriber from me!

  • @richt63
    @richt63 9 місяців тому +8

    Love this video ❤ I'm glad you're back. 👍

  • @ericthompson3982
    @ericthompson3982 9 місяців тому +90

    The curve also increases the length of the cutting edge without increasing the overall length of the sword, making it slightly more convenient for carrying and close fighting.

    • @sinisterthoughts2896
      @sinisterthoughts2896 9 місяців тому +6

      That is covered both by the aids in cutting/sharpness segment, and the balance and drawing segments he went over. So he covered those points.

    • @lmclrain
      @lmclrain 9 місяців тому +3

      I'd say the metal becomes stronger, just as a bow that can project energy at a point with the help of curvature.

    • @mrkiky
      @mrkiky 9 місяців тому +10

      None of those things make sense. What's the advantage in having more cutting edge without more reach?
      The metal definitely doesn't become stronger because it's curved. There's absolutely no principle that would make that happen, unless the sword was extremely curved, like an arch supporting the weight of the wall above it. The curve in a katana is way too slight to have that effect. And what does it have to do with a bow? A bow bends to store energy, which is then released into an arrow, which has a point. That's the only sense the bow uses curvature to project energy at a point, but none of those mechanics are in common with the katana.
      The only advantage to the curve is that when you swing a sword, you move it in an arc, and a curved blade more readily follows the arc as you draw it across the thing you're cutting, therefore making the cut easier. Also if you're hitting a flat surface, less of the blade comes in contact at a time, so it exerts higher pressure. But you never hit a flat surface with a sword, so that doesn't really matter. It matters when cutting veggies on a flat cutting board.

    • @ericthompson3982
      @ericthompson3982 9 місяців тому +2

      @@mrkiky You do increase the cutting length. Geometry, dude.

    • @AdamOwenBrowning
      @AdamOwenBrowning 9 місяців тому +7

      @@ericthompson3982 you don't increase *effective* cutting length - cutting length that you can use. Why? Because the curve retreats towards you! This reduces the extra reach you're technically given.
      You're absolutely right about geometry, but you can't suddenly "straighten the sword" during a fight to make effective use of that extra cutting length.
      A straight-blade with a couple inches LESS BLADE would have the same *effective* cutting length as a curved sword with a couple inches more blade, if you follow what I'm saying

  • @lax9586
    @lax9586 9 місяців тому +2

    Glad to see you back Shogo.

  • @Kaiyanwang82
    @Kaiyanwang82 9 місяців тому +8

    Loved this one.
    Also, with the utter respect, and also revealing my venerable age - Saigo Takamori gives me a sort of Golgo vibe.

  • @dashtfied8508
    @dashtfied8508 9 місяців тому +3

    It's really awsome to watch your videos again.Also looking forward for more Kyoto family vlogs.

  • @christopherharris6005
    @christopherharris6005 9 місяців тому +7

    Awesome video as always Shogo. Shogo I always look forward to watching your videos on all kinds of topics about Japanese 🇯🇵 culture keep up the great work.

  • @reinesmelloid3468
    @reinesmelloid3468 9 місяців тому +24

    I still remember Sakamoto Ryoma had a straight sword called Mutsunokami Yoshiyuki. I hope I'm right because I've been playing Touken Ranbu for a long time.

  • @hasensaurus
    @hasensaurus 7 місяців тому +3

    As always, really interesting. One thing though. The katana or the odachi were curved not just to be safely drawn on horseback, as you say, but to deliver deeper cuts while moving. One of the reasons why the monouchi was the sharpest part of the blade, for the reach.

    • @joejones9520
      @joejones9520 4 місяці тому

      no, they were curved so they wouldnt hang up and pull out of the rider's hand when slashing at a gallop, curved makes blade slide across target rather than bury or grab

  • @alycewonderland5824
    @alycewonderland5824 8 місяців тому +5

    All I want is for you to continue creating these videos and including as much information as you possibly can! It is always exciting to learn something new, especially from someone knowledgeable about the topic. Thank you very much. ☺️

  • @HelghastDiver
    @HelghastDiver 8 місяців тому +2

    Found my new favorite channel on yt. Love Japan and Japanese History!

  • @fabiofelix2809
    @fabiofelix2809 8 місяців тому +3

    First of all curve does not increase sharpness, the thing is single edged swords allow greater and smoother transition from the core of the blade to the edge increasing cutting capability, in second the curve minimizes the contact point concentrating more force in a smaller surface that, as well, increseas cutting capability. Cutting Capability=/= Sharpness, sharpness is one factor of many that cutting capability has.

  • @drifter-donosadventureobsc9565
    @drifter-donosadventureobsc9565 4 місяці тому +1

    This is why I love studying Japanese history, it's so intricate. Everytime I think I know everything about the Bakkamatsu, I find something like this.

  • @Icemanactual
    @Icemanactual 9 місяців тому +23

    A curved blade doesn’t make it “sharper”. Rather, it assists in slashing ability as a separate factor from sharpness. Sharpness is simply the quality of thinness in a blade.

    • @Icemanactual
      @Icemanactual 9 місяців тому +14

      @@LimaXIII huh? My comment has nothing to do with history or culture 🤣. It’s the English language. How ironic

  • @shanel4348
    @shanel4348 9 місяців тому +1

    As someone who has always known Japanese culture but always been somewhat in the dark about many of the customs of the feudal/imperial period, I really appreciate your videos! Thank you! Subscribed!

  • @carluyabut1461
    @carluyabut1461 9 місяців тому +4

    The Return of the King

  • @nelsinki5177
    @nelsinki5177 9 місяців тому +2

    Thanks for your explanations on non-curved Katanas.

  • @codycarter7638
    @codycarter7638 9 місяців тому +5

    As a lifelong kendo/iado student, I truly appreciate your reverence for the katana and the various disciplines that have evolved over the passage of years.

  • @mrcatchingup
    @mrcatchingup 9 місяців тому +2

    As a former keno practitioner in high school, I am embarrassed I either never knew this or forgot over the last 25 years.

  • @deltrex
    @deltrex 8 місяців тому +15

    Curves do nothing for balance and certainly don't increase sharpness.
    1: Balance is impacted by the profile taper and distal taper of a blade and also by the weight of the handle in relation to the blade, a curve does nothing to make a sword feel lighter, especially a light curve as it is on the Katana. It does however make you feel the edge alignment better.
    2: Sharpness is a combination of edge profile (or thinness) and level of polishing. A curve does not make anything sharper.

    • @alexisrivera200xable
      @alexisrivera200xable 8 місяців тому +1

      The curve does mechanically help in cutting. Think of it as a kinetic energy transfer, with a straight edge if you hit something the entire edge makes contact with the object at the same time, imparting its kinetic energy evenly across the object's surface, cutting it in the process but diffusing the energy a cross a larger area. Now consider the curve of the sword. You are still imparting the same kinetic energy as long as the are the same lenght and weight right? Yes but the difference is that the moment the curved sword makes contact only a very small part of the edge makes contact first concentrating the kinetic energy into a verty small point. This increases the cutting power dramatically despite both examples involving the same potential kinetic energy.

    • @deltrex
      @deltrex 8 місяців тому +1

      @@alexisrivera200xable that would only be true if the object you are cutting is flat and the edge hits it perfetly perpendicular. In reality almost nothing you'd want to cut with a sword is flat and also any area on a Katana that is about the length of a hand (so the size of a target) will seem basically streight because the curve is so small it is almost imperceivable. And most targets are at least a bit soft and elastic taking away even the last bit of theoretical advantage such a slight curve may have.

  • @sternentigerkatze
    @sternentigerkatze 9 місяців тому +2

    This was very informative and it is so nice to see videos from you again!

  • @arquentur6226
    @arquentur6226 9 місяців тому +3

    Does the forging technique and fact that katana are forged straight and curve when they're quenched have anything to do with it as well?

    • @jamesfrankiewicz5768
      @jamesfrankiewicz5768 9 місяців тому +8

      No, that's a misunderstanding; they are forged curved. The quench does briefly cause a reverse curve, but it comes back to the same curvature when the temperature equalizes.

    • @snegglepuss6669
      @snegglepuss6669 9 місяців тому +4

      This period would be one where the ancient techniques were coexisting with modern Western metallurgy, so it's possible swords could have been used that were made from cheap imported steel billets rather than tamahagane, which is easier to track and control. IIRC part of the reason for the curve is a hedge against impurities in the blade, you have to slice along the length of the blade rather cut or hack with one point of contact, and this wouldn't be needed in a more uniform, industrial product, so they were free to match the form of the swords used in kendo, though the need to hedge against impurities had long passed by this point in history
      So, yes, especially as the differential quenching using clay was a specialised technique, the fact that curved katana needed specialised techniques to both make and use and straight ones less so, it was easier to supply a rebellion with straight blades, similar to how large European armies generally used straight blades and curved blades where for specialists or officers. Thinking about it, this might also be why ninjato(if they actually existed and weren't, perhaps, inspired by the Battotai) were straight. A curved katana with a hamon might as well be fingerprinted, so connections could be made to who made it, and then to who might have bought it, whereas a straight blade with a simple handle is essentially anonymous and easier to discard during an escape and replace

  • @peterharrison5833
    @peterharrison5833 8 місяців тому +1

    Thank you for posting, Shogo-san. You videos are always entertaining and very educational.

  • @nigelprendergast2595
    @nigelprendergast2595 9 місяців тому +3

    I thought the curve in a katana was due to the iron spine of the blade shrinking more in quenching than the steel core. how then do you prevent this to make a straight blade?

    • @adamwu4565
      @adamwu4565 8 місяців тому +1

      You can just make a counter curve in the blade prior to quenching, instead of starting with it straight. That way, when you quench, the differential shrinkage reverses the counter curve to end up with a straight blade,

  • @SmokeyBacons
    @SmokeyBacons 8 місяців тому +1

    I am thankful to have watched this! Your knowledge of history is something I would like to see more of. I will be checking out stuff from time to time. Well done!

  • @Demnus
    @Demnus 9 місяців тому +18

    Well actually, regardless of the "katana" topic, you are perpetuating a myth of curvature making it sharper. Yes curvature do lower a proportion of the blade contact length which in theory should multiply the force. But It works only with much stronger curves. With something like Shamshir blades. And still the test shows negligible effectiveness compared to straight blades. According to scientific experimental data, curve of the katana blade does literally nothing to make it perform better in term of cutting ability.

    • @kaiser-365
      @kaiser-365 9 місяців тому +1

      It also helps with aligning the blade during a cut, which also perpetuates that myth. It makes it easier for people to use even without as much training with blade alignment.

    • @HappyBuffalo347
      @HappyBuffalo347 9 місяців тому

      Which tests? I would like to read them

    • @Ose-here
      @Ose-here 8 місяців тому +1

      swords with stronger curvature were a thing, but afaik, not common among the katana you're probably thinking about since those are a result of sword regulation during the 1600s or 1700s?

    • @galamotshaku
      @galamotshaku 3 місяці тому +1

      I've also heard this but one thing a lot of people often miss when talking about it is that fighting techniques make essential to the shape of the Katana. They are easier to draw with the curvature for example. This doesn't make it superior in cutting power or anything and indeed they are harder to handle than a long sword for example.

  • @massacreking
    @massacreking 9 місяців тому +1

    Thanks for being back some content!!!!

  • @stevealford230
    @stevealford230 8 місяців тому +29

    *sigh* No.
    The curve came about because smiths in the 8th century started making blades with a low Carbon steel core so that there would be fewer broken Chokuto in battle... and they discovered that that new composition caused the blade to curve in the quench, creating the Tachi. Straight Chokuto and curved Tachi of that period were identical in every way except for the composition that caused the curve. The curve wasn't the goal in the beginning: it was a happy accident that they found had advantages for horseback and draw, so it replaced the Chokuto, but the reason for the change in composition was to have blades whose spine would bend without breaking, NOT to have a curved blade. And the later era policemen's blades were straight because they were made fast and cheap with one grade of steel instead of two or more, so the differential hardening from the clay would still give a hamon but the blade would not curve in the quench, because the core steel wasn't a different Carbon content than the edge steel.

  • @mjdelrosario9189
    @mjdelrosario9189 2 місяці тому +1

    in other samurai references, Samurais usually carry bow as their primary weapon, specially when they are horse mounted, then the Uchigatana secondary, some wield Naginata spear,

  • @sailingsibongile
    @sailingsibongile 8 місяців тому +5

    It's been widely reported and proven that the curvature was as a result of the dissimilar metals used in the production process, for the back and the cutting edge, and how they contracted differently when quenched. The cutting edge was the primary focus, and then the balance between flexibility and rigidity.
    The easier draw, better cutting, etc, was secondary benefits; and the became the reasons why the production process stayed.

  • @roymarron7622
    @roymarron7622 8 місяців тому +1

    I am so grateful to live in a time when I can get this knowledge from my room, thanks Shogo!!!

  • @Greenftor
    @Greenftor 9 місяців тому +3

    Video starts at 1:30

  • @seanfrancishenry
    @seanfrancishenry 7 місяців тому

    Fantastic video! You shed some light the popularity kendo and the use of straight shinai for sword practice. I have to admit, Im pleasantly stunned.

  • @SilatBegin
    @SilatBegin 8 місяців тому +7

    "Curved Sword only belongs to Hammerfell" - Whiterun Guard

  • @TTwistie
    @TTwistie 7 місяців тому +1

    I always thought the curve was an accidental discovery at first due to the metal deformation during tempering process. By the time advancements were made in the forging technology, the curved blades had not only become the identity, but the users had also developed tactics unique to its shape.

  • @shinmentakezo6258
    @shinmentakezo6258 9 місяців тому +2

    Video after a long time Shogo love from India 🇮🇳❤️🇯🇵

  • @Handles_AreStupid
    @Handles_AreStupid 4 місяці тому +2

    The true reason for the curve is the quench. Clay is put on the spine of the blade to cool it slower and make it softer. The edge is extremely hard, but if they whole sword was, it would snap. The slower cooling causes the metal to bend on it's own. They are made straight, the quench makes them curved.

  • @jonwesick2844
    @jonwesick2844 9 місяців тому +4

    The best explanation I've heard for a curved blade, is that when slashing, it concentrates force on a smaller area than a straight blade. Hence, it's better for slashing cuts.

    • @kissing88
      @kissing88 9 місяців тому +4

      In my view, that is not entirely true. Straight blades can cut just as well in open spaces, and the katana only has a mild curve so it doesn't really contribute to this supposed cutting "power".
      What is more plausible is when you start looking at actual fencing techniques and systems. In Historical European fencing, straight swords and curved swords utilize different techniques to accentuate their strengths.
      Broadly speaking, straight bladed swords (longsword, rapier, smallsword, etc) use 'long distance fencing' strategies to take advantage of the sword's tip to hew and thrust. The longer your straight sword, the further distance your strike can hit.
      Curved bladed swords (sabers, cutlass, etc) use 'short distance fencing' strategies to take advantage of the sword's ability to slash at short distances. That is the real purpose of the curve. Imagine a sword fight happening in an elevator where there isn't a lot of room to fight. A curved sword can slash using lateral movements, whereas a straight sword is more restricted in its movements.
      Curved swords are more adaptable to close-distance fight situations, such as indoors. Katana is probably curved for this reason. Straight swords have a reach advantage in wider-distance fight situations. That's why it's very hard to fight against a longsword or rapier using a curved sword. It's not impossible to win, but it definitely feels like an uphill battle for the curved sword wielder. I surmise that the Japanese wielders of straight katanas realised this advantage.

    • @jonwesick2844
      @jonwesick2844 9 місяців тому +1

      @@kissing88 I'm thinking physics. In a slash, the entire straight sword makes contact with the target while only a portion of the curved sword makes contact. Same force over a smaller area for the curved sword means more pressure. I recall the explanation coming from James Williams, the aikijutsu teacher in Encinitas, California.

    • @kissing88
      @kissing88 9 місяців тому +5

      I'm saying in practice that is not very relevant. A sharp straight blade cuts as effectively as needed as a curved blade of equivalent breadth, edge geometry and mass. Where the true difference between straight vs curved becomes apparent is when you actually view them as weapons to fence with (swordsmanship) rather than viewing them as simple a cutting tool. Sharp straight swords cut tatami, etc just fine. But they have different fencing properties once you learn the techniques and pressure test them through contact sparring.

    • @jonwesick2844
      @jonwesick2844 9 місяців тому

      @@kissing88 Thanks for the interesting discussion.

    • @2adamast
      @2adamast 8 місяців тому +1

      I think it is a target size thing. If you have to fruit ninja a 200-800 pound pumpkin or equivalent, a curved blade will flow better

  • @blindcrow849
    @blindcrow849 9 місяців тому +2

    It's not really related, but I while I was attending a martial art class on juttejutsu in Japan last october, the teacher (who allegedly come from a samurai family) told us that some Edo era magistrate used custom made katana to arrest criminals. Apparently, only the first half from the guard was sharp and the second part was blunt to allow non lethal strikes. I don't rememeber if he was talking about yoriki or doshin, sadly.

  • @warpdriveby
    @warpdriveby 9 місяців тому +5

    It's a fascinating thing to consider as a western fencer and Blacksmith used to wielding mostly straight blade swords. The simplest answer is that they are FAR easier for new troops to learn quickly, as they can focus on the thrust in a fight. While Tachi and Katana are powerful cutting weapons they are VERY difficult to thrust with powerfully. I am NOT saying they can't or that practiced wielders are unable to thrust effectively, just that it's far more difficult for someone used to a straight weapon to do. I have zero kenjutsu training, and only a minimal number of times doing kendo, but I did fence in college and then got into Hema (SCA back then) about 20 years ago. I have cut and handled Katana many times too so I'm only offering an account of the experience of going from an arming sword, jian, and long sword. Nothing I'm saying is to contradict or overrule the information presented here.

    • @atom8248
      @atom8248 9 місяців тому +2

      My personal experience is that straight and lightly curved sabers thrust about the same, katana are usually pretty lightly curved so I doubt it makes much difference.

    • @warpdriveby
      @warpdriveby 9 місяців тому +1

      @@atom8248 I found it significantly harder to be accurate and to pierce the same target to nearly the same depth (stacked tatami mats or other materials). It might be much easier for anyone who does hema sabre or another sport/MA that uses swords with more arc. I do feel a difference with some Dao that have a straight lower ⅓ to ½ and keep most of the mass centered on the grip. I notice the weight of Katana/tachi that's behind my hands throwing me off, or at least that's the best I can describe it. It's possible I've only handled Katana on the longer more curved side, closer to Tachi than a late Edo period blade would be as well, I've seen a number of blades in museums as well that would tend to be older and original made as Tachi so my impression of them may also be skewed to the ones I used being representative of Katana generally?

  • @Meanness_Scar
    @Meanness_Scar 8 місяців тому

    Thank you for mentioning Shinsengumi! It kinda makes me happy when someone mentions them^^

  • @rbranham8062
    @rbranham8062 9 місяців тому +6

    The curve in katana is a byproduct of the differential hardening process, and is not necessary for drawing the blade. It also does not significantly change the point of balance of the blade, and it definitively does not make it sharper.

    • @XerrolAvengerII
      @XerrolAvengerII 9 місяців тому

      not directly sharper, but someone wielding a curved sword vs a straight sword of the same weight and sharpness will find the curved sword to cut more readily from slashing motion than the straight sword.

    • @Ose-here
      @Ose-here 8 місяців тому +1

      it does occur during heat treatment, but the curvature is decided upon by the smith through shaping before quenching.

  • @donkeno247
    @donkeno247 9 місяців тому +1

    Welcome back! Thanks for this amazing lesson

  • @jacobstaten2366
    @jacobstaten2366 8 місяців тому +7

    So a curved sword should be a symbol of elitism while straight swords and short swords should be a symbol of equality.

  • @megapangolin1093
    @megapangolin1093 3 місяці тому

    Very interesting, enlightening and appealing explanation of a curiosity. I really enjoyed the summary at the end. Rare, but valuable. Arigato gosaimasu.

  • @NatureZone101
    @NatureZone101 9 місяців тому +49

    The curve has absolutely nothing to do with "increased sharpness". "SHARPNESS" is a result of proper sharpening. I know you actually mean "cutting ability", but call it what it is - "Increased Cutting Ability".

    • @OldManPaxusYT
      @OldManPaxusYT 9 місяців тому +3

      THANK YOU! Ugh so frustrating when _anyone_ can cast themselves as experts!
      I wish all yt creators would be clear when they believe or think something or guess at something, rather than stating it as matter of fact.

    • @The0uts1der-1
      @The0uts1der-1 8 місяців тому +5

      I get what you mean, and I might have missed this in the video, but the curve comes from the differential hardening process yes? Would a straight blade not have had the same hardening process and result in a less hard edge that can't hold the edge as well? It's entirely possible your both right and he wasn't precise enough in his phrasing in that statement.

    • @2adamast
      @2adamast 8 місяців тому

      @@The0uts1der-1 Didn't see it that way, but Indeed, trying to keep the blade straight would make it less sharp.

    • @Bluefalconspiracies
      @Bluefalconspiracies 8 місяців тому +2

      Sharpness is ability to cut. Curve increases ability to cut.

    • @taylankammer
      @taylankammer 8 місяців тому +11

      The word "sharpness" may not have been the best choice for what he was explaining, but there's no reason you had to be so rude about it. It was clear what he meant.

  • @MelaninCosplay
    @MelaninCosplay 9 місяців тому +1

    Happy to see a video!! ❤❤

  • @MadmanJnr
    @MadmanJnr 7 місяців тому

    As always, really well explained Shogo!

  • @denniswahlstedt4420
    @denniswahlstedt4420 3 місяці тому

    Your a kind and humble person, sharing your culture... I have nothing but respect fot this!! :)

  • @drumetu71
    @drumetu71 9 місяців тому

    Thank you for this and welcome back! 😉

  • @unrussleablejimmies4428
    @unrussleablejimmies4428 9 місяців тому +1

    Battoutai?! that's so badass! This is a very informative explanation. It is amazing how far kendo has travelled across the world.

  • @roderickrivera1104
    @roderickrivera1104 9 місяців тому

    Welcome back shogo 🎉 and love the new looks 😊

  • @guyblew1733
    @guyblew1733 9 місяців тому

    Loved this history lesson about Japan. Enjoyed learning about the different katana swords.

  • @JoeBoydIII-yy8ih
    @JoeBoydIII-yy8ih 9 місяців тому

    I'm enjoying our Chanel Shogo and thank you for showing us the great Katanas

  • @MaxGolden
    @MaxGolden 8 місяців тому

    I really, really, like this format. It is an interesting story followed by a review. This is professional quality instructional video.

  • @MissesWitch
    @MissesWitch 9 місяців тому +1

    This was a great history lesson!!

  • @christopherross1027
    @christopherross1027 9 місяців тому

    Just want to say, I love your videos and have always been fascinated by Japanese culture.. love it.. wish I could visit someday

  • @centurybeta2112
    @centurybeta2112 9 місяців тому

    Great video! So glad to have you back and always love your well explained format.

  • @koolconnoriskool3406
    @koolconnoriskool3406 3 місяці тому

    Great video I love how a niche topic about weapons lead to a fascinating history lesson and explained the reasoning that influenced the shape of the blade

  • @Tattooed-bs4cm
    @Tattooed-bs4cm 9 місяців тому

    A really interesting post on this topic. Explained by a friendly person. Videos like these are really fun to watch as a fan of Asian culture and as a sword lover!
    Best regards from Vienna

  • @BrendonHuor
    @BrendonHuor 9 місяців тому

    Another amazing video, Shogo! Love the mix of martial arts and history. :)

  • @slayeralmighty
    @slayeralmighty 8 місяців тому

    your editor is doing an amazing job btw

  • @HelyaRavn
    @HelyaRavn 9 місяців тому +1

    This was so interesting! Thank you for sharing, Shogo

  • @ronsorage78
    @ronsorage78 9 місяців тому

    Nice to see you back to doing your own channel a bit too.

  • @stupidburp
    @stupidburp 7 місяців тому +1

    I suspect that an additional reason is because at this time foreign military swords were moving away from curved blades to use more straight thrusting blades as a result of experience in many more recent battles. Despite being closed for many years, Japanese leaders did try to follow global military trends. During the Meiji era in particular this was expanded upon and led to greater reforms. Thus the leadership in the Meiji government was likely aware that the traditional curved katana was suboptimal when fighting against thrusting swords such as a straight saber. The straight katana was somewhat similar to the UK 1796 heavy cavalry sword which was derived from an earlier Austrian pattern and several Eastern European patterns such as pallasch used by the Polish Hussars. These numerous examples could have given them confidence in the wisdom of shifting to straight cut and thrust style blades to leverage the kendo training while using a sword pattern that was a logical option and contemporary for the period.

  • @Hugo.345
    @Hugo.345 6 місяців тому

    Beautiful katanas in the back, great informative video!

  • @JaxGames6421
    @JaxGames6421 5 місяців тому

    Shogo, you have taught me so much. Many thanks.

  • @globetrotter147
    @globetrotter147 9 місяців тому

    Very awesome. The Meiji Restoration is an interesting time period for sure. Lots of intriguing history there that can be traced to Japan as we see it today.

  • @robertgerow670
    @robertgerow670 9 місяців тому

    Really interesting video! It gave me all kinds of flashbacks to watching Kenshin like 20 years ago. Insane it’s been that long, wow

  • @visasha
    @visasha 8 місяців тому

    your videos are somehow both so incredibly thorough and so incredibly succinct !! you have a real talent for writing and editing. i don't know if you are a native english speaker and i don't want to incorrectly assume, but i noticed you tend to say "formal" where i think you probably mean "former." just wanted to mention in case you weren't aware. thank you so much for your uploads, your content is amazing !!!!

  • @KirBirger
    @KirBirger 7 місяців тому

    Great video. I have one minor minor clarification. Unless I misunderstood, it does not seem like you actually meant to say that the blades become sharper from being curved. A blade's sharpness has to do with the geometry of the apex (where both sides of the metal come to a point). That is, generally, how fine the point is, and the angle at which the two sides meet. The curvature of the blade wouldn't affect the sharpness, but it would aid in the slicing motion, where you press the apex of the blade against the object you are cutting, and drag it along the surface of the object, slicing it.
    With a straight blade, the entire motion of slicing would have to come from your elbows and shoulders, pulling the blade towards (or away from) your body, which is a compound motion. With a curved blade, the arc that is formed, means that when you swing the sword, using a combination of your shoulders, elbows and waist, some of the motion already translates into the slice.
    In the videos that show slicing bamboo, mats, and other objects, neither blade would perform as well if wielded like an axe, simply chopping the object. An ax makes use of the heft of its head, as well as a rather relatively obtuse sharpening angle, to cleave the object. A sword, such as a katana, does not have the same amount of heft to it, so it would not be able to chop as well. On the other hand, both bladed weapons might be equally sharp, if you were to, for example, take a piece of fruit, or a stick, place it on a table, and try to saw it in half. The katana would do a better job due to its more aggresive (acute) sharpening angle, which would allow it to separate the sides of the object as it cuts deeper. This can be explained by trigonometry, but that's another post.
    Thanks for all of the research you did for this video.

  • @Ezekiel_Allium
    @Ezekiel_Allium 9 місяців тому

    This is a totally new subject to me, I learned a lot from this video, I'm gonna go read up more on the end of the Edo period now because this all sounds really interesting.

  • @Banchetph
    @Banchetph 4 місяці тому

    Great video! Really interesting.

  • @TheHoneyBadgerDUDE
    @TheHoneyBadgerDUDE 7 місяців тому

    I just happened to see the statue of Saigo in a recent trip - I believe they refer to him as the "last samurai". The surrounding park was beautiful, and I enjoyed the museums as well.

  • @tempusvult4413
    @tempusvult4413 4 місяці тому

    Very interesting!!! Thank you for that video (ありがとう)! ☺

  • @wolfphantomanimations_official
    @wolfphantomanimations_official 9 місяців тому +1

    Very interesting history, i like it 👍🏽

  • @baluba006
    @baluba006 8 місяців тому

    Fantastic video so full of valuable information and very clearly explained.

  • @anglerfish4161
    @anglerfish4161 9 місяців тому

    This is a great video as always, Shogo, although I did hope for some dive into how differently the straight katana and the traditional ones fared in combat, how they matched against each other and changed tactics and the like!

  • @HidaAtarasi
    @HidaAtarasi 9 місяців тому +2

    This was interesting; I had always been under the impression that the curvature of katana was a side effect of the forging process, and had never been intentional.

    • @RannonSi
      @RannonSi 9 місяців тому

      TBH, I think that's closer to the truth (at least in the beginning).

    • @2adamast
      @2adamast 8 місяців тому

      All over the world most sabers are curved. I think it is by choice

    • @joejones9520
      @joejones9520 4 місяці тому

      @@2adamast it's so when slashing from horseback the blade slides across the target rather than hanging up and slipping out of the rider's hand or pulling the rider off the horse