[EU4] Aztecs Sunset Invasion Guide - Reform in 1475 without Europeans
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- Опубліковано 31 січ 2020
- Want to get reform without waiting ages for Europeans to arrive? To invade Europe in 1540? Watch this guide to learn!
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На севере есть страна под названием Яка, с ней можно улучшить отношения и закинуть ей союз. Далее у нее можно будет купить карты всей северной Америки.
(In the North, there is a country called Yaka, with which you can improve relations and throw it an Alliance. Then you can buy maps of all of North America from her.) Nice gameplay)
Where are you from my brother? Now i am your new sub. Great presentation, thanks.
@@zehir1318 Poland
I love how that one irish opm had the game of it's life,annexing scotland and northen irland only to get yeeted by some weird people with spears and a lot of money.
pls poland guide
Now when you presented this exploit to the internet, Paradox's gonna fix it.
RadioRes and Alzabo did also a Video about it. So its not Zlewikks fault if they fix it, well atleast not alone.
Miki III I was using this too...
Tactical Bacon lol yep. I put it there. 270 days ago.
Also you can always roll a patch back to do an exploit if you never got to, it can be fun
Nobody plays new world nations so Paradox has mor important things to worry about. E.g. they havent fixed the custom nation exploit
I haven't touched Mexico since before Golden Century, but when I do I'll give this a shot! Cheers, mate :)
As native mexico 'veteran' (don't think that makes me a good player though) i can give you a tip: Aztec + Maya religion.
Aztec starting traditions: +10% inf combat and idea cost reduced by 10%
Fully reformed maya religion: +1 tolerance of true faith, +1 advisor, -10% army maintenance, -2 unrest, +10% inf combat (again!), -20% coring cost (first reform you should get) and an extra colonist
I didn't try Zlewikk's exploit yet, but normally you just force the Huastec to convert you, just like he did with the animist nation. Reforming Maya is a little bit more ressource consuming than nahuatl, but no problem if you already are a 'modern' nation like in the vid.
Now you really do give it a shot...
As of 1.31, this strategy is dead. For some reason the war score cost to force the animist nations to convert your religion is over 400%. RIP, had some good times with this one.
It is still possible, but you have to take one animist province, then send a missionary to convert that province BUT put missionary maintenance to 0 and do not core the province so there will be animist rebels.
It is important to not core or the rebels will be separatist instead of animist.
Once they are rebels in the province, accept their demands to convert yourself to an animist country.
You can accept that even before they revolt.
I tryed this just yesterday and it works. So... it's even better than before because now you don't have to surrender yourself LOL
The one dislike is from the EU4 developers because they are sick of seing Zlewikk break their game
He definitely wasn't the one who found this...
Well he still broke it, he didn't say Zlewikk found it.
"Without bordering the western countries" Well that's right except that in this situation you are the western country. ^^
Informative and well edited, I like the side bar :)
comment to support ur channel, but seriously such a smart way to do it go Zlewikk:)
Nice presentation, i really appreciate it!
I've been trying so many things and thinking about releasing vassals, releasing animist vassals, developing institutions left and right. Can you imagine my headache when I thought I had THE IDEA to force me to be animist, develop the institutions and switch back to Nahuatl only to find out that I had to do the reforms all over again? hahahaha I was so done...
Now this is the way to go. Fantastic work, Zlewikk, thank you! I will try again, hopefully with less headaches. God knows there's a lot with the DOOM mechanic that was implemented haha!
My favorite religion, by far. It's so fun to rage war to keep the doom down. My heart beats so fast. And the bonuses after reforming are insane. Annexing at the beginning is a double-edged sword, so every move, every war, every invasion must be well thought.
Amazing. I will try them next time (after my Aragon campaign).
Thanks for this guide Zlewikk. It encouraged me to return to EUIV and play in a region I have never tried, Central America.
Cool guide, thanks Zlewikk.
It made me play as Aztecs again and get that achievement.
p.s H in Nahuatl is silent, so it should be read as Nauatl
That Sword of Destiny Witcher III OST in the background is a sweet touch
Great job
This was a pretty cool guide. Thanks for sharing!
Out of curiosity, I attempted to see if this strategy could be modified to work if you wanted a Mayan Nation. Short Answer: Yes, but it went a lot slower. I didn't reform until 1505 or thereabout.
Main problem: Unlike Nahuatl (and Inti), Mayan doesn't have a backdoor into converting to Mayan, and Animist countries cannot force-convert using rebels. That means the only way to return to Mayan is to "lose" a second war and be force converted. And the problem with this is you need to have a value of less than 100% war score, meaning your power base is very constrained. On my second attempt (before learning I couldn't rebel-convert), I didn't conquer a single province until I had returned to Mayan, given that I had to force develop two provinces to get two institutions.
Other roadblocks were the spread of nations around you. Huasatec has easy access to the animist for the first step, but no Mayan targets without going No-CB. The other Mayan countries have the reverse problem, as there is only one Animist country nearby that starts off just out of range. So I went with one of the nations on the Yucatan proper, and I was fortunate that Miskito migrated into range to fabricate a claim.
Next problem was monarch points: None of the countries in range of Miskito start with very good leaders, and there is no gold in the Yucatan, so my ability to generate power points was limited, especially when I lose all my possible rivals turning animist. So that, combined with tropical development penalties meant I hadn't embraced both institutions until around 1460. And then much like yourself, I fought a war with a Mayan, and someone else declared on him before I could occupy every province, so I was stuck sitting and waiting.
I think the next delay was much more a mistake on my part. I was hoovering up provinces in the local area, knowing I was gonna lose ten of them, but that meant when I did enact a reform I was trucelocked and out of range of the Nahuatl countries to fabricate a claim. I should have snaked my way through the Aztecs and stockpiled claims I could make use of.
Finally, I was once again lucky that I was still bordering Miskito, after it took a trip down to Panama and back, but when I caught-and-released it, I had to knowledge share feudalism with it, which was another couple of years waiting around. My more localised conquest also meant I wasn't making bank until I finally plunged into Central Mexico in the 1520s, once again trucelocked.
Conclusion: In my Aztec game using your strategy, I had a complete grasp of Mexico, Carribean and Panama trade nodes, and spawned Global Trade there. In Maya, I only had Mexico and bits of Panama just conquered Carribean from the Europeans, and the admin points spent coring and re-coring really slowed down my admin tech progression, meaning I had a lot less manufacturies, so Global Trade popped in London as usual. So there are some benefits to using this strategy as a Mayan nation, but there will probably be more waiting around. It was still interesting to try
Bonus Round: What about the Inti? Could they do this? Well probably, but it's much more luck based. Like the Nahuatl they do have a province-based event to convert back to Inti, but the only nearby animist nations are migratory tribes that I'm not sure you can even see at the game, so step one becomes a lot harder. Another problem is that the Inti reforms are based on a monthly tick, so unlike Aztecs or Mayan where (in theory) you could gather the reform requirements while you're animist and be ready to pass the first reform once you flip back, you will start at 0 and it will be slow to tick up, as it's based on total development and local autonomy. You could (and will have to) do some conquering in the meantime, but it still means you're getting no reform progress for 15-20 years.
I tried it with Inca, I screwed it uo because when I got the chance to declare war to an animist country I was too powerful and I couldn't choose forcing religion goal because it was more than 100% war score
Nobody gonna comment on that one Irish minor somehow conquering all of Scotland and most of Ireland? Ok, guess I will
probably inherited a personal union to get scotland
Usually when you don't play in Europe it becomes cursed and strange things happen lol
Update June 2020. paradox has still not fixed this Pog
I needed that
I'm happy that I could help :)
This guide was great you earned a sub from me.
Thanks! I hope you will like other videos! :)
Best tuber. My regards
Just what I wanted before starting the campaign
I was lucky in my run at First, but then the texcoco goldmine collapsed before it even had it fully developed
I was made Maya, I had wait to 1700 so this is verry useful
to anyone still wanting to do this u can still do all this except u now have to take an animist province and send your missionary there, wait a month then accept the demands of the animist rebels to convert yourself rather than getting 100% warscore to do it
The names of the regions in this game are names of actual modern day cities and states in Mexico, which have always sounded normal and trivial to me. But when this guy says “Otomí” and “Tlaxcala” with his russian accent, it sounds like the most exotic and interesting thing in the world.
When people think everything east of Elbe is Russian
Zlewikk TV You’re not? Sorry for making that assumption. Must have been because of that nice slavic intonation of yours.
I'm Polish :)
@@ZlewikkTVNaah my map from 1912 tells me you’re from Russia.
This is some 3D chess shit except instead of sacrificing pieces you are sacrificing rulers :)
Waaaa, i never thought it is possible to do that with releasing animist vassals.
This should be like a bug or an overlook from the developers becouse it is a little bit cheaty :)
I will try this trick
Are you still planning to do an unplanned bankruptcy guide?
Step 1: Don't.
I did it with a small change - I became animist and later instead of returning to Nahuatl I used Huastec to convert to Mayan. It took more time but I prefer Mayan reforms.
Yeah, whatever one prefers :)
I tried the same step as you did in this video and the ai just been ai that not to embrace any institution, even with 300+ gold!
Are you sure you fully annexed them and released as vassal? Without that AI cant embrace because they are primitives
@@ZlewikkTV yes, I full annex and release, I did it with chichimeca first, he didn't embrace, then I release huastec and return province to guamar with embraced province to see if they can embrace, and neither of them did...
How do I do it without the ability to chain wars and win them consistently like you though :))
U build more mercs 🤷♀️
If it was serious, then you can just rush everything into mil tech 3 and because you are aztecs and the ai cant really focus you will be there first and tech 2 is one of the best techs to fight on. its like having tech 4 in europe 20 years before anyone else.
Can you do a Big Blue Blob achievment guide? I would be really glad
apparently its best to conquer ports east to get coring range and expand in novgorod and lithuania as land thier is cheaper
Cool
Awesome guide, but I doubt that you are really able to get the first reform that early.
Mostly due to not having enough mana to actually get the second institution too spawn that early.
Thanks for the guide! I know I'm a little late but can you please tell me which dlcs do you have? It seems that I don't have some mechanics that you use here((
All of them :)
@@ZlewikkTV oh I see. Thank you for reply. Such a shame the dlcs are so expensive.
You can get all of them for 5$ monthly subscription
@@ZlewikkTV oh thank you once again)
could a similar strategy be used to reform Inti?
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In Polish Zlewikk means Littlesinkk
@@hjsvekkt7428 xd
What is the reason behind switching back to the initial religion?
Way better bonuses
Were do you find the doom tab?
Nahuatl religion window next to minimap
When you sacrifice your own population so hard that you gotta go west overseas to find new ones.
Maybe it is because of the new Patch but how can I get enough monarch points to embrace both institutions as he did in the video... whenever I am trying this I cannot embrace before 1463 because of my missing monarch points. Can anybody help me?
I'm showing pp management quite nicely in my lets plays, especiqlly non european ones. I recommend checking them out :)
Is this also possible for Inca if you border Muisca then do the same thing?
Not sure, totally depends if they have same religion switch event (I know Mayas do)
@@ZlewikkTV Inti Religion has the event from the taking province of Lima. The biggest problem with Inti nations is the reforms accrue over time from the number of provinces you own. You should be able to do it for the institutions but i think the reforms still take several years each, and unlike Aztecs, the longer you wait the longer it takes since its not up to player skill.
No to teraz mozna speedrunowac
So is this actually more effective than reforming off the Europeans even though you don't get all of those free techs for no monarch power you normally would.
Unfortunately, couldn't do Step 3. War score only goes to 99% and I can force religion myself. Is has -1000 reason something like "They do not want part of the peace deal" :(
Edit: tried to fabricate claim on Guamares and managed to get 100% warscore and successfully force converted.
I did as you said, but i dint get the colula reconverison event.....I dont know if its my game or if there are more condition to be met.....
The steps have too be exactly the same. 1. Vassalize Tlaxcala 2. Convert to animist 3. Take cholula from tlaxcala (event should pop out in a few months)
@@ZlewikkTV Thanks for the reply, yeah i finally got the event, but for some reason it took several years, i dont know why since it says jmean time to happen 1 year.
I also just conquered cholula and didnt vassalize tlaxcala
I'm glad it worked after all :)
@@ZlewikkTV yeah thanks for your guide!
I keep getting a 'break Truce' Penalty from my former vassals and can't turn around and attack them. Is it because I acquired some of them while I was animist?
You simply still have truce with them :>. In most of the cases it's probably original truce that you gained after vassalizing them. You dont get new truce after taking reforms, but you keep the original one
@@ZlewikkTV Yeah, that must be it. I'm having a devil of a time getting this to work even on 'Easy'. Money is always tight, monarch points are low and Doom accumulates too fast. I embraced the institutions and reconverted back to Nahuatl but getting those reforms pushed thru in that time frame seems impossible with the AI constantly allying with everyone around me and gobbling up former vassals before I can reconquer them. It's 1489 and I've only got 3/5 reforms pused thru and doom is climbing too fast. I've given some of the additional provinces to their former owners/my vassals to slow it down, but not enought events are popping to bring it down. I've only gotten this far by multiple reloads from former saves.
@@brianfox771 just a heads up, you lose one doom point for every enemy unit you stackwipe ie 3k troops is 3 doom points. The development from the institutions should give you a force limit of 12-15 when you switch back to Nahuatl and you should be up a mil tech. From there you can actually fight over twice your number of troops, just pick an alliance thats seperated from each other with you in the middle, then pick one side and keep fighting to stackwipe, leaving individual regiments on each province to keep them from reinforcing and you getting stretched too thin. Once you've beaten their armies you can farm stackwipes by leaving one untouched province for each opponent and leaving 3 or 4k of your own troops next to them and killing their new units as they spawn.
Furthermore, if you need to slow it down to practice, native countries will white peace if you occupy their non fort provinces and siege their capitals, so you can go for an early knockout on one or two if needed to even out the war, you do not actually need to take any of their forts.
@@IronWarsmith Wow! Thank you, this is great. Thanks for taking the time to write this out in such detail. Much appreciated!!
Can the estates part still work in the emperor update?
They work a little bit differently
@@ZlewikkTV Yeah there's a new beginning strat I've seen to take advantage of estate's powers in the new update, gonna give it a go with Portugal
How do I "force them to force us to become animist"? I don't see any peace term for that.
You need to go to tab where you offer them to give something. Then as in the video you go to last tab and choose enforce religion.
Xalisco= ha-lees-go
They REALLY should give some of or most of the American nations unique ideas and missions. It's easily the most boring region in the entire game, besides the Siberian natives maybe. Why the hell do the Iroquois, Apache, Pueblo, Aztecs, and Inca not have unique mission trees when fuckin TAUNGOO does?
Because Taungoo conquered an empire during the timeline of the game, while the native americans didn't do much in terms of conquest, so their mission tree would be rather boring.
@@Johannes-br6zn they could do anything they want with the natives, they mostly had no written history. That's endless possibilities. And the Aztec maya Inca and their neighbors have interesting histories, theres plenty of material for mission trees.
@@Johannes-br6zn Yet they add a bunch of flavor and missions for countries that disappear soon after game start. Or other ahistorical ones to historical winners, like forced PUs.
Does this still work in 1.30?
Yes! :)
@@ZlewikkTV can you help me? When taking a reform I loose all my vassals, it makes it really hard to reform before 1500 because of the truces
@@ZlewikkTV and now I cant get Moctezuma strict -.-, makes it impossible to crush tlaxcala's whole army without getting an adviser, and I cant get one because I dont have money :/
Both should be quite easy if done well. Try repeating my steps here ua-cam.com/play/PLQYwQrZmzDdLwfGVTaMiMHcda6teLwgEA.html :)
infinite money?
Idk how animist isnt primitive lol
Here I am again, web scrapping guides because my latest Ironman save is invalid. Oof. I will have that achievement
losing 3 out 5 vassals was a bug. You lose all 5 now.
Nah, it was invented and always this way. Patched in 1.29 to make it harder
i tried this, forcing to convert animist religious ws was %459
They changed the cost in the last patch, you need to be opm to make it work now :v
Is this exploit still possible?
It should work the same, just when enacting a reform now you lose 5 subiects instead of 3 so it's slower
+How can I reform my religion ?
- By @Zlewikk TV
you lose 5 vassals now when you choose a reform :(
It should be 3
@@ZlewikkTV nope I just checked and they changed it to all of your vassals getting released ;(
Last info I have is from 2 weeks after release. Maybe lack of dlcs?
@@ZlewikkTV i dont have all the dlcs but I asked the streamer viking nephilim if he knew what was wrong and he said ye they changed it to all your vassals getting released instead of 3
@@ZlewikkTV I have el dorado btw
it doesn't work in 1.30 patch
It does ;)
@@ZlewikkTV there is no temple of chollula event for aztecs
Oh there is, I tested it lately and have a few more people that can confirm. There might be a few reasons why you didnt get that:
1. There is mean time to happen of 1 year - so it might even take a few years
2. The province lost 'Cholula Temples' modifier, which might only happen if you get the event and refuse to convert
@@ZlewikkTV wow thank you, I didn't get it for around 2 years and then euwiki fooled me ;)
Holy fuck I'm losing manpower and they have so many fuckin allies holy fuck
Welp I tried this and got smashed in the first war... Guess I should just stick to playing european majors like the scrub that I am.
There's a bit of luck involved too, if Tlaxcala allies weaker or stronger neighbors, and whether or not someone nearby offers you condottieri in the first few wars. Generally if you only use your normal troop limit of 10 and don't use mercs(aka wait for normal recruits to build up),tlax will get more allies and you won't have nearly enough to stackwipe Tlaxcala and siege their stuff while also keeping up with their allies. Going into debt heavily isn't a problem, you can easily deal with 20-ish loans because after you convert to animist, you will be able to take a small breather and pay them all off with the gold income you will get. Inflation will go around 30% in the meanwhile but eh, not much you can do about it. Important is to not take the temple province too early, or while still nahuatl(I did this once), because if you do, after you convert to animist, you won't have enough time to pay off your debts, event fires really soon sometimes.
@@vartosu11 Yeah thanks. I actually tried again and made it this time, reformed real late though, but I'm still up there in great powers, won 4 defensive wars against spain but sadly still haven't done anything but blob in the new world, plus my economy game can't quite suppourt my military. (mid 1600s) So it's not going that great still.
Doesn't work no more. Can't force religion on myself.
Ofc it works and you can. You just have to do it while having very low dev
what event lets you switch back? i am stuck in animist
Take province of Cholula from vassal. I said that in video :v
@@ZlewikkTV i did...and then 10 years passed and nothing happened :(
There are a few things that might have caused that. Most importantly, you should not control this province before switching to animist. You should take it after switching to animist. The event (one about temple in Cholula) gives you choice to destroy temple or dwitch back to nahuatl. Maybe you missclicked the event?
@@ZlewikkTV no, i saw it on your video. unfortunately i am just sitting here waiting for it to fire :| is it possible that the check can bug out if i am on speed 5?
@@2009worstyearever did you take the province when instructed? I take it you did.
Does the province have the modifier temple of cholula? If not then that will be your problem.
I played Aztec this week and I lost all Vassals for every reform I took. I even tried to acquire 7 Vassals. But they were all lost once I choose a reform. Maybe paradox adjust it in the new patch
yeah they harden it a bit i think i'll tryin it for 1 week all days but its a real headache
Its patched. No fun allowed.
Western countries? You are a western country
Tysm! But please, be careful not to call people "primitives" because they are not the ones who killed people daily in religious sacrifices, the europeans were ;)
Bruh, I'm purely using in-game terminology. It's a gaming channel, not history or politics one - eu4.paradoxwikis.com/index.php?title=Primitives&redirect=no