as a blade , all wednesday fans were urged to get coaches so there was barely any coming in bt team/train and also they all came into shef at the same time on coaches and got put into the same couple pubs on the road then was escorted from there
Josh, what a brilliant video to show the steel city derby. Shows everything from the hostility, to what it means to the fans when winning, to in game atmosphere. I think if I ever see people trying to argue that it's not a proper derby and that "oh they like each other" that waffle, like I have this past day or 2, then I'll just point them to this
another good thing about our derby is no matter where we are in the league and everything it's still guaranteed to be a close match! We're 15th and you're second and it was still such a tight game which could've gone either way. That's how you know it's a proper rivalry, everyone puts their all in!
@ yeah it is always a close game. Like, at the moment we have the much better players, but it doesn’t matter with this fixture. The reverse will be the exact same. Cause even though we usually do better when teams don’t sit back, will mean absolutely nothing. Besides with derbies nobody ever remembers the performance, only the result
I mean, it should be a premier league derby really. But that's not how football works and both would have to earn it really. Unfortunately I would hate that, cause it'd mean Wednesday actually winning games regularly, but I'm sure it'll happen some time
You won’t see it in the premier league because the premier league is just full of fucking armchair fans. For example I bet 50% of Man City fans have fuck all ties to Manchester they are just glory hunters. No passion.
@@Nathan-rc2oiwe've spent more season's in both division 1 and the premier league, we've already made it. Your still tryna catch up little guy, your the little brother who wants to be like the eldest. Know your place x
Being a Man City fan for 31 years and had the pleasure of going to Sheffield United ground a few times. U can honestly saying their fans definitely bring the atmosphere, and up there in the top 3 in the UK for atmosphere fan . beautiful ground also. 💙🤍
Very good video. I was near the welcome committee with my lad when the Wendy turned up. It was bedlam, noisy and nasty. The game was as shite as they usually are but the noise when we scored was next level. The result is all that mattered. Every blade has a Wednesday mate or two. It takes a few days for the dust to settle before we can even talk about the game. For one weekend the hate of all things Wednesday and vice versa in this city is measurable. Now we wait till the new year for the return at their shit house. Cant wait. BTW… there’s more relief than joy winning this fixture. It’s horrible losing so the relief not losing when you win is off the scale.
Most derby rivalries in the UK are hyped up, I first went to a Sheffield derby as a 9 year old kid back in 1970 and have been to numerous since, there used to be a more fierce rivalry between the two sets of supporters and there has been some serious incidents between them over the years, which have included the death of a Sheffield United fan outside Wembley in 1993 and serious injuries to others in Sheffield, the hooligan elements used to clash quite often in Sheffield city centre on Saturday nights back in the day, and yes many of them knew each other, at least on face and sometimes name terms. Sheffield was built on steel and cutlery manufacturing, the legacy of its working class people is that they are hard but generally fair, even to this day, but most of these kids you see in the video taunting outside the ground before the match are just playing at it now, the coppers. CCTV and people using mobile phones have all but put and end to it!
I worked in Sheffield for 6 weeks about 15 years ago and during that period there was a Steel City derby. Now I`m used to Merseyside derbies and have been to more than a few Manchester ones. I`ve even been to an Old Firm game and a North Germany Derby (Bremen and Hamburg) but I have never come across such out and out hatred as I came across in Sheffield. They really do totally despise each other.
At the end of the day we are ALL Sheffield,Brothers,sisters, husbands wives,Mums,Dads,all our families are intertwined red & blue,on derby day we hate each other but rest of time we love each other,and we have our fare share of idiots who don't love anyone but majority do,feel sorry for teams like Leeds who just pretend they have a rivalry 😂❤
@@paulwalker2777 I reacted to this from OxtonSWA: "but I have never come across such out and out hatred as I came across in Sheffield". The hate between Mannheim and Kaiserslautern is the greatest I know. Even Outside of Matchdays.
no police at the station cos neither of the fans had been allocated that area, usually away fans get pubs around there but no point when they're already in the city
Don't know how small a place you live but many in sheffield get a train from the suburbs into the city centre police told them not to travel on public transport to get to the ground cos its not safe without an escort
Good review. Come to the return to get a proper atmosphere. Blades fans didn't utter peep until bannan took that blunt out and the goal. Good game, very tight- won by a peice of class. Uto.
You should pop down to Vale vs Crewe derby. hasnt happened in league for a while and always a fun game to watch on and off the pitch. drama is bound to happen too with both teams in form looking to push up the league
Great video Josh. You HAVE to come to Blac*burn v Burnley 4th of Jan. Both passionate fan bases and absolute pure hatred between the 2. It's at Blackburn so there's no doubt you won't get tickets, they never sell out against us at Deadwood🤣
Most fierce uk derby is easily Celtic v rangers but we need the teams to sort out the away allocations to get it back to what it used to be but regardless it’s one of the biggest known derbies in the world so easily takes number 1 spot in the uk. Sheffield derby still looked like a decent derby experience but.
@@fusionjoshBe reyt josh, have to be stupid to support us or the blades, all it causes is a headache 😂😂... Hopefully see you in the kop at Hillsborough again 🫡
he freaked out when he seen it kicking off before the game when the fans were 2 metres away from each other. i mean this guy hasn’t seen sunderland vs newcastle as the newcastle council built a ten foot concrete wall cos of how bad it was seen as tho everyone tosses fireworks at each other not daft pyros but whatever
I worked in Sheffield in 1979 and found the United ites and Wednesday ites , as they called themselves, mixed without any problems and remember saying to them how different it was from Newcastle and the mackems, who truly loathe each other. Well it has certainly changed since then and that looked to be a real derby with a brilliant atmosphere and definitely premier league standard. I have always believed that should Sheffield get the top team that the city certainly deserves then they should merge although having seen the video the chances of that happening are less than zero
@@Tdog47123 If they want a real top team in Sheffield then that is the only way they will get one because it certainly wont happen otherwise, although I doubt this will register with the likes of you. Learn to read properly and you might be able to understand what I was getting at.
@ we’ve had top teams before. Sheffield Wednesday was one of the most successful teams in the world at one point, we just need an owner who’s going to actually help the club. Learn to research about clubs before making such a stupid suggestion
@@Tdog47123 So when was it that Sheff Wed were one of the most successful teams in the world then,you last won the league some 95 years ago for gods sake thats almost as long ago as us. And you reckon Sheff Wed could be a top premier league team on their own do you?
@ Aston Villa is slowly becoming a top team, they were in the same league as us less than 10 seasons ago so why couldn’t we? Any team can get to the top with the right ownership. Look at Wrexham, 3 years ago they hadn’t been in the EFL for 15 years, now with their new ownership they’re climbing their way up the league and will soon be in the championship.
Proper derby day.. both sets of fans know what this game means Not like the Manchester derby or even Liverpool derby Was there with mi little un.. there is hate between these two teams But lobbing bottles into groups where kids were Both sets of fans 🫣🫣
The blades have their Greasy Chip Butty song, which fair play, is a unique song to their club(though some research suggests it was actually stolen from Rotherham Utd). So why do they sing a song they nicked off Wednesday...the Hark Now chant?. That relates to the Boxing day match(police allowed that then) in 1979, when Wednesday hammered Utd 4-0? Bit poor really, its a Wednesday song.
@@stuartburgess2626 Before was banter, Rotherham, Sheffield, Barnsley etc are actually getting rejuvenation projects lately and are starting to look a lot less run down, this is football banter, and having said that, Rotherham is a shithole ;) (Sorry my grammer wasn't up to yours)
It's ok. But really not the best derby anywhere. I lived in Sheffield for a few years and went to a couple of derby games. It's decent, but not even close to something like Newcastle v Sunderland or Millwall v West Ham.
@@lewis_12102 You do realise that football existed before The Premier League? That aside, Millwall and West Ham have played plenty times since 1992. Go and look up the fixtures for yourself, you lazy sod.
@@lewis_12102 You do realise that football existed before The Premier League? That aside, since 1992, Millwall have played West Ham loads of times. You know how to use Google, right?
Seriously as a Wednesday boy we hate the pigs , we are massive and they are minnows they know it, we know it , and reading some comments on Glasgow and Birmingham derby's it's pathetic. I blocked my brother and sister 5 years ago when they won for two years and now they're blocked again By the way I'm now 68 and would still fight for the Wednesday boyz.
This may sound stupid but the reason there was no one at the station maybe because both teams are in the city but idk? Great video as always 👍🏼
Exactly what i was thinking tbh, dont see a reason for many travelling fans
Was going comment that myself
Yeah that would explain it pretty well haha
as a blade , all wednesday fans were urged to get coaches so there was barely any coming in bt team/train and also they all came into shef at the same time on coaches and got put into the same couple pubs on the road then was escorted from there
I thought exactly the same, lol. It ain't rocket science
Josh, what a brilliant video to show the steel city derby. Shows everything from the hostility, to what it means to the fans when winning, to in game atmosphere. I think if I ever see people trying to argue that it's not a proper derby and that "oh they like each other" that waffle, like I have this past day or 2, then I'll just point them to this
another good thing about our derby is no matter where we are in the league and everything it's still guaranteed to be a close match! We're 15th and you're second and it was still such a tight game which could've gone either way. That's how you know it's a proper rivalry, everyone puts their all in!
@ yeah it is always a close game. Like, at the moment we have the much better players, but it doesn’t matter with this fixture. The reverse will be the exact same. Cause even though we usually do better when teams don’t sit back, will mean absolutely nothing. Besides with derbies nobody ever remembers the performance, only the result
I'm not gonna lie, as a non-British, I want to see this derby in the Premier League.
I mean, it should be a premier league derby really. But that's not how football works and both would have to earn it really. Unfortunately I would hate that, cause it'd mean Wednesday actually winning games regularly, but I'm sure it'll happen some time
You won’t see it in the premier league because the premier league is just full of fucking armchair fans. For example I bet 50% of Man City fans have fuck all ties to Manchester they are just glory hunters. No passion.
yeah but wednesday will never make it there
@@Nathan-rc2oi I'm sure they'll get there at some point. Probably not in the near future but at some point
@@Nathan-rc2oiwe've spent more season's in both division 1 and the premier league, we've already made it. Your still tryna catch up little guy, your the little brother who wants to be like the eldest. Know your place x
Being a Man City fan for 31 years and had the pleasure of going to Sheffield United ground a few times. U can honestly saying their fans definitely bring the atmosphere, and up there in the top 3 in the UK for atmosphere fan . beautiful ground also. 💙🤍
Hahahaha hahahaha hahahaha.... Top 3 😬💀
@lewis_12102 My opinion. You have yours
Very good video. I was near the welcome committee with my lad when the Wendy turned up. It was bedlam, noisy and nasty. The game was as shite as they usually are but the noise when we scored was next level. The result is all that mattered. Every blade has a Wednesday mate or two. It takes a few days for the dust to settle before we can even talk about the game. For one weekend the hate of all things Wednesday and vice versa in this city is measurable. Now we wait till the new year for the return at their shit house. Cant wait. BTW… there’s more relief than joy winning this fixture. It’s horrible losing so the relief not losing when you win is off the scale.
Proper derby and rivalry ⚔️⚔️
Always enjoy your VLOGs Josh - so glad you came to see The Blades!!
Glad you like them! Thank you, was a great afternoon! Enjoyed it 😅
Most derby rivalries in the UK are hyped up, I first went to a Sheffield derby as a 9 year old kid back in 1970 and have been to numerous since, there used to be a more fierce rivalry between the two sets of supporters and there has been some serious incidents between them over the years, which have included the death of a Sheffield United fan outside Wembley in 1993 and serious injuries to others in Sheffield, the hooligan elements used to clash quite often in Sheffield city centre on Saturday nights back in the day, and yes many of them knew each other, at least on face and sometimes name terms. Sheffield was built on steel and cutlery manufacturing, the legacy of its working class people is that they are hard but generally fair, even to this day, but most of these kids you see in the video taunting outside the ground before the match are just playing at it now, the coppers. CCTV and people using mobile phones have all but put and end to it!
I worked in Sheffield for 6 weeks about 15 years ago and during that period there was a Steel City derby. Now I`m used to Merseyside derbies and have been to more than a few Manchester ones. I`ve even been to an Old Firm game and a North Germany Derby (Bremen and Hamburg) but I have never come across such out and out hatred as I came across in Sheffield. They really do totally despise each other.
You should visit the derby Kaiserlautern vs Mannheim. THIS is pure hate.
We dont even hate them individually, I know and love a few blunts... but as a collective we 'ate em and them us.
At the end of the day we are ALL Sheffield,Brothers,sisters, husbands wives,Mums,Dads,all our families are intertwined red & blue,on derby day we hate each other but rest of time we love each other,and we have our fare share of idiots who don't love anyone but majority do,feel sorry for teams like Leeds who just pretend they have a rivalry 😂❤
@@paulwalker2777 I reacted to this from OxtonSWA: "but I have never come across such out and out hatred as I came across in Sheffield". The hate between Mannheim and Kaiserslautern is the greatest I know. Even Outside of Matchdays.
The arrogant pigs from S6 are hated by all other local fans.
Class video Josh,as a Wednesdayite (and Lazio fan) it obviously hurts a bit,but we'll be back,hopefully see you at Hillsborough in March.
Wait hang on.. thought that was just me. Wednesday fan and Member at lazio. Good to know it's not just me
Wawaw
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One of your best videos ever. 👍
Seeing videos of Chris Wilder's chant about Danny Rohl makes me laugh 😂
Sausage roll, sausage roll
Nice video. Quite tame these days compared to when i was young
Great video. UTB ⚔️
no police at the station cos neither of the fans had been allocated that area, usually away fans get pubs around there but no point when they're already in the city
Why would people from Sheffield be getting the train from Sheffield TO Sheffield?
sheffield wednesday are a good couple hour walk , they have to get a tram which is in the train station
@@harrygamezztrams aren’t in the train station, completely separate
@harrygamezz police never let them get that far into city. Always get blocked off and met before they get near town
@ mate i’m a shef u fan … from sheffield 😂😂
the tram stop is in the same building as the train station that people get to the ground frim
@@harrygamezzThey get off at west street pal
😂😂😂 2:05 stoped watching when he was wondering where the police were at the station when it’s a home derby 😅
hahahah good point, whose taking a train....
Don't know how small a place you live but many in sheffield get a train from the suburbs into the city centre police told them not to travel on public transport to get to the ground cos its not safe without an escort
@@thaknows2503 I was born in Sheffield you complete sausage 😂
What suburbs would they be catching the train from chesterfield, dore & totley, Rotherham or Doncaster? The tram maybe but not the train station pal
@@thaknows2503 Litrually next to meadowhall.
Can we just get this man 100k his content is class 🎉
Great video mate
ABSOLUTE BRILLIANT Video Thankyou (subscribed)
Josh loving you being back in the EFL matches keep it going 😊
Love the vids mate!
Proper derby ⚔️⚔️
Fantastic vlog mate 👍
Ive just subscribed to ya josh. Great video and as a blade was a great day
As a blade and a subscriber for ages, loved this😍
Good review. Come to the return to get a proper atmosphere. Blades fans didn't utter peep until bannan took that blunt out and the goal. Good game, very tight- won by a peice of class. Uto.
Loving the English football games recently Josh, Big up to you!
Vanishingly rare as it is, when Port Vale play Stoke, it is not for the faint hearted.
Come to hillsborough next🦉
Think this was hectic...come back for the one at Hillsborough
Shame you had to leave early. There was a good 15 minutes of celebrations in the stadium after the final whistle.
I sat 2 row's up for for u I didn't like to come up say hi 😂😂
proper derby 🦉
the best derby anywhere
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Close game to be fair, only one shot on target in the whole match, could it get any tighter?
"I'll tell you what"
"I'm not gonna lie"
Good vid mate
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You should pop down to Vale vs Crewe derby. hasnt happened in league for a while and always a fun game to watch on and off the pitch. drama is bound to happen too with both teams in form looking to push up the league
Well it certainly wasn’t ferocious on the pitch one tackle and blades call for a sending off ! Set of Nancy’s
No police at the train station because we all live in ya walloper 😂
Great video Josh. You HAVE to come to Blac*burn v Burnley 4th of Jan. Both passionate fan bases and absolute pure hatred between the 2. It's at Blackburn so there's no doubt you won't get tickets, they never sell out against us at Deadwood🤣
The Danny Dyer Vlogz are back 🤣
Josh when are you coming to Cambuur Leeuwarden mate?
Go on Blades ⚔️⚔️⚔️
Most fierce uk derby is easily Celtic v rangers but we need the teams to sort out the away allocations to get it back to what it used to be but regardless it’s one of the biggest known derbies in the world so easily takes number 1 spot in the uk. Sheffield derby still looked like a decent derby experience but.
@@seanpaulfallon1463 Highest police costs Rangers VS Celtic. Second United vs Wednesday. The bigger club derbies in England are tame by comparison.
The city is ours F off Wednesdays the city is ours mind the gap mind the gap ⚔️❤️
fuck off sheffield blues
Knob 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
@ ur calling me a knob?
@@emmamoxon2749 no he just replied to your post where you were being a knob and said knob
See how you do on a cold night in Hillsborough, should of wiped the floor with us, yet you didn't bring it on!!!
Have to tell you pal, it seems pretty pointless fans getting the train from Sheffield to Sheffield😂 All the fans are already in the city
ahahahaha why has it taken me till now to understand this 🤣 - wow I'm stupid ahaha
@@fusionjoshBe reyt josh, have to be stupid to support us or the blades, all it causes is a headache 😂😂...
Hopefully see you in the kop at Hillsborough again 🫡
Why would there be people at the train station. Everyone already lives in sheffield?
You wanted to have seen the rivalry back in the day......very tame now in comparison ⚔️🔴⚪⚫⚔️
Why did you not put the min of silent
No police at the station because very few people will travel by train to this game.
Grande Josh 🦅💙🤍
Try coming to the lincoln Grimsby nearby that's fiery
he freaked out when he seen it kicking off before the game when the fans were 2 metres away from each other. i mean this guy hasn’t seen sunderland vs newcastle as the newcastle council built a ten foot concrete wall cos of how bad it was seen as tho everyone tosses fireworks at each other not daft pyros but whatever
I thought Country John wrote that song for Nottingham Forest
Maybe in hungary next some underated county derbies coming up ? You enjoyed the budapest derby
Harrow borough v Wealdstone is the fiercest Rivalry in the UK 🇬🇧 mate.
I worked in Sheffield in 1979 and found the United ites and Wednesday ites , as they called themselves, mixed without any problems and remember saying to them how different it was from Newcastle and the mackems, who truly loathe each other.
Well it has certainly changed since then and that looked to be a real derby with a brilliant atmosphere and definitely premier league standard.
I have always believed that should Sheffield get the top team that the city certainly deserves then they should merge although having seen the video the chances of that happening are less than zero
Suggesting that 2 rivalling teams should merge is one of the worst things ive ever read in a comments section 🤣
@@Tdog47123 If they want a real top team in Sheffield then that is the only way they will get one because it certainly wont happen otherwise, although I doubt this will register with the likes of you.
Learn to read properly and you might be able to understand what I was getting at.
@ we’ve had top teams before. Sheffield Wednesday was one of the most successful teams in the world at one point, we just need an owner who’s going to actually help the club. Learn to research about clubs before making such a stupid suggestion
@@Tdog47123 So when was it that Sheff Wed were one of the most successful teams in the world then,you last won the league some 95 years ago for gods sake thats almost as long ago as us.
And you reckon Sheff Wed could be a top premier league team on their own do you?
@ Aston Villa is slowly becoming a top team, they were in the same league as us less than 10 seasons ago so why couldn’t we? Any team can get to the top with the right ownership. Look at Wrexham, 3 years ago they hadn’t been in the EFL for 15 years, now with their new ownership they’re climbing their way up the league and will soon be in the championship.
In all fairness I think every club (more or less) can say their derby is the fiercest but great to see nonetheless 👍
The majority of the lager swilling United fans don't know what a pint of magnet is, or even drink a gallon of the stuff
You’re right about Barnsley and Rotherham
Proper derby
Great video but that made me laugh at the train station of cause no one’s at the station not far to travel all in pubs
Proper derby 😂😂😂. The Tyne and Wear derby is the most fierce rivalry. This is just tame 😂😂😂
You've never been though, so how do you know.
Look at the poor kid crying at 3 mins
ROTHERHAM MENTIONED RAHHHHH 🦅🦅
Proper derby day.. both sets of fans know what this game means
Not like the Manchester derby or even Liverpool derby
Was there with mi little un..
there is hate between these two teams
But lobbing bottles into groups where kids were
Both sets of fans 🫣🫣
Shea Charles injured arblaster and burrows got clattered by Wednesday
You may have watched the UK fiercest derby, but it wasn't featured in this video.
*Cambridge united win 3 on the bounce inform*
“On derby day, form goes out the window” isn’t that the truth 😂 UP THE POSH 🎩
The arc cinema is a new cinema btw
The blades have their Greasy Chip Butty song, which fair play, is a unique song to their club(though some research suggests it was actually stolen from Rotherham Utd). So why do they sing a song they nicked off Wednesday...the Hark Now chant?. That relates to the Boxing day match(police allowed that then) in 1979, when Wednesday hammered Utd 4-0? Bit poor really, its a Wednesday song.
why would you have a large police presence at the train station when 99% of the people going to the game live here?
Great video...utb
Come for Lazio - Bologna Josh!
How you get a ticket?
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You never seen an old firm match have you?
Yeah mate because nobody knows what that is 😂
Rotherham nice? must of been looking in the direction of Sheffield!
Must of????
@@stuartburgess2626 yes, wasn't looking at a taxi ring of......
@@ShinobeNinjaMonk It's always 'must have' and never 'must of' though. 👍
@@stuartburgess2626 Before was banter, Rotherham, Sheffield, Barnsley etc are actually getting rejuvenation projects lately and are starting to look a lot less run down, this is football banter, and having said that, Rotherham is a shithole ;) (Sorry my grammer wasn't up to yours)
10:13 mr pollard what are you doing here
How can Campbell deliver for them but not for us
should have never joined them 🤡
best derby anywhere, went utb
It's ok. But really not the best derby anywhere. I lived in Sheffield for a few years and went to a couple of derby games. It's decent, but not even close to something like Newcastle v Sunderland or Millwall v West Ham.
@curiousmind.537 I went to rocker park to see new castle in eighties it was not good
@@curiousmind.537Millwall have never played in the premier league so when was the last time they played eachother?
@@lewis_12102 You do realise that football existed before The Premier League? That aside, Millwall and West Ham have played plenty times since 1992. Go and look up the fixtures for yourself, you lazy sod.
@@lewis_12102 You do realise that football existed before The Premier League? That aside, since 1992, Millwall have played West Ham loads of times. You know how to use Google, right?
What’s a “Bala-ka-lava” ?
There's no 'V' in Rotherham!
Now go to the one at hillsborough
Fiercest 😂😂😂😂😂
Funny what you youtubers class as “kicking off” a few pyros and shouts while there’s a police escort is fuck all😂😂😂
@fusion Josh How did you get a ticket?
It seems OK for youtubers to get a ticket BUT not proper fans ffs
Hiya Josh, from a Wednesday fan, you could have shown more from the owls!
Why 🤣🤣🤣👏⚔️⚔️⚔️
We played better than you think! UTO 🦉 🦉 🦉
Lower xg less of the ball and not a shot on targe. He doesn't do cgi@@Hfoodreviews
@@heythisisminenotyoursu had 1 shot on target don't flatter yourself 😂
And that shot went in and it's called a goal and it wins football games!!! So here Edith the football lesson PS Mind the gap ⚔️ @@lewis_12102
we hate each other josh good job ur in the blades end i am a blade
Bruh this ain’t the biggest rival in uk 😂😂😂😂
Good vlog but that a poor atmosphere .... come up to Glasgow for celtoc and rangers pal
Maybe in England but certainly not the UK
Most fierce derby😂😂
How would you know, you never been bro.
@ I have actually back in 2017. When Sheffield United scored 4 away against Wednesday. But of course man you make the assumption.
most Fierce 🤣🤣
Come Blackpool vs Bolton
Seriously as a Wednesday boy we hate the pigs , we are massive and they are minnows they know it, we know it , and reading some comments on Glasgow and Birmingham derby's it's pathetic. I blocked my brother and sister 5 years ago when they won for two years and now they're blocked again
By the way I'm now 68 and would still fight for the Wednesday boyz.
You sound like a right sausage roll. How old are you, 12.
YOU BLOCKED YOUR BROTHER AND SISTER? My god you are so sad
Who wants some?!!!
Typical Wendy ite 😂
@@stephenshepherd7483 Sounds about 12 the sausage rohl
What’s a balacalava
A mask that covers your face, but not your eyes
Also called ski masks
that’s a Balaclava not a Balacalava 👀
Good neutral coverage