The fact that he deliberately chose not to take his meds after being diagnosed is enough to hold him accountable for his acts, because he chose not only to endanger himself, but the people around him
The problem with schizophrenia is that the person doesn't believe they are sick. They're delusions and hallucinations are so real to them, that it's like trying to convince everyone that the sky is not blue. Refusing meds is totally normal. As a consequence, psych nurses like myself have a constant battle with said clients. It leads to alot of violence and aggression on wards where patients are locked up and can't understand that their delusions are all in the head and they need meds. It's a genuine problem within the psych services. Some have killed and upon taken medication and becoming well, have been devastated that they killed they're family to save the family from torture by the Mafia. Or they thought their beloved grandma was a demon. Vince slipped through the net like many. But this went on far too long in this case. However, I agree with danielle...he should be held accountable in court. But this sounds like a genuine case of insanity unlike many who pretend they are insane to get off charges. Vince should never have been discharged from the system though. That is negligence from the system. It d be interesting to know if when he got "well" , how he felt about his crime.
@@leehuggett7831That's my thoughts on this - people don't get that what these people experience is REAL to them! If you hand someone meds and say 'the void of God is fake'...of course they're not going to take those meds! You're taking God from them! Why wouldn't they want to hear the voice of God?? Once regularly taking meds, they're coherent and can understand, but he should have been monitored in the first place.
@@christabelle__so oops Tim died.. tf yall get on my nerves making excuses for people.. lock his a s s up where he belongs PERIOD... and if they won't lock him up how about you volunteer and take his place... he was somebody && he definitely deserve justice no matter how they get it... this has really pisssd me off
It's easy to say this, but certain mental health disorders literally fight again treatment. It's hard to maintain medication and doctors appts especially when you've never steadily taken meds before for treatment of a disease of the brain.
@@Bianca-jf9hono one is arguing that this man should be free. A man died and that is horrible. It should have never happened, but you clearly do not understand that people like the killer aren't walking around with a sane mind or thought process
As a visual gal, I cannot express enough how thankful I am that you put up each person’s picture literally every time you mention them. The little things are highly appreciated 🙏🏻😩
Sorry for your loss. Do you have a story you could share about Tim that kind of shows who he was as a person? I always feel badly when the thing someone is most known for is how they died. Tell me how they lived!
I am so sorry for your loss and such a horrible way. He was a good man. Even the worst of men don't deserve this, and it's just atrocious that it happened to the one of the good ones like always
@Sharyn Facts I knew him in high school he was someone who made everyone feel welcome. He was extremely kind and caring. That is what I remember every time I see something on him.
Sad indeed but also infuriating. The men on that bus were cowards and poor excuses of a human. They couldn't detain a man with a knife? Are you kidding me? Grown men on that bus, some with military experience, running out "scared" and letting this psycho finish Tim off. Sickening. Humans disgust me.
@@deaurasol exactly!! Cowards! Absolutely dispicable is the only word, I'm a tiny girl but there's no way I wouldn't try! I've done it before and I'd do it again I've got the scars to show. But coward men standing around doing nothing 😡😡😡🤬 they're just as bad
@@deaurasol Yea! When she said a Guy with Military Experience i was like Thank God!!! But then she Continues and im like yes sure as soon he overcomes the Shock he wil do something.....i left disapointed
It is pretty disgusting that those men were such cowards,, it's sickening and the police as well just watching this headcase do those disgusting things to Tim. I feel such a sadness in my heart for his family. I'm sending so much love ❤️ strength 💪 and prayers 🙏 for all his loved ones. And what's even crazier is this lunatic is out and about with zero supervision probably not taking his meds and our judicial system is so beyond fucked. Sorry for the curse word but that's truly how I feel and that's my opinion so don't come for me LOL 😆😊. Actually I don't know if it was in Canada where they did his whatever they did with him but even still our judicial system is just as bad as probably in Canada but it does make me wonder if it happened here what would have been done and if it would have been done differently
Lol I know for a fact you guys would be cowards as well if you were there. People who never went through it would "fantasies" of them being the hero to save Tim. They all went through a traumatic situation in which they will never forget. Do not blame the passengers.
This case was a tough one to digest. The no justice for the victim and the way the police did nothing to stop him from mutilating his body was all upsetting to hear.
This case always makes me sick to my stomach. There is literally NOTHING good to come out of this. No new laws, losing lawsuits, not even therapy offered to the passengers.
His name is now Will Baker, what’s horrible besides Tim’s death is the amount of people including RCMP have committed suicide due to PTSD…I live in Alberta and I remember when this happened, I honestly don’t think I can listen to this story knowing how graphic it is, I’m going to have to pass on this one and I love listening to you. I feel so bad for Tim’s family, RIP Tim you didn’t deserve this 🦅
I wouldn’t listen. I live in Oklahoma and hadn’t heard of this. I’m a special education teacher and deal with lots of trauma kids, have a medical background and took forensics classes in college and this one was hard for me to stomach. I’m definitely of the belief that prison isn’t the cure all that many Americans seem to think, but some people lose their freedom when the crime they commit is so heinous and I don’t see how this is not one of those cases.
@@jenimolloy6152 our justice system sucks in Canada, you can literally kill someone and be out in six years. You throw in mental health and you’re walking free like Will Baker, Tim and his family never got justice in the end.
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR TELLING US ABOUT THE VICTIM!!! To this day I have always wondered 'who it was' that was tortured on that bus - I remember it happening! It's like there was no coverage! I'm SO grateful for you telling Tims story and saying his name. It's absolutely heartbreaking on SOOO many levels. What a beautiful person Tim was, I'm glad he experienced a beautiful life while he was here. I'm absolutely mortified that they didn't break a window and tear gas the bus - it actually seems like they should be held accountable as accessories to the desecration of a corpse. A simple tear gas bomb. And WHY didn't they move the people away?!?!?!?! They HAD to know people aren't trained to handle seeing this stuff like they are. They should be held liable for the traumas these people endure; for not moving the crowd to the other side of the building or something. They were left in harms way as well. He broke a window and jumped out, what if he did that sooner? The death toll could've been MUCH higher. It's an absolute disgrace. I support the police but these guys FAILED so many people, so miserably. Again, thank you for saying Tim's name, that poor poor soul.😭
I love how there are so many cases involving children where authorities do absolutely nothing to protect the child but here a child was taken away bc the mom got PTSD from something like this. There is so much about this case that is so messed up!
Vince may be suffering from schizophrenia, but what he did was monstrous and he is a monster. He should never have been let out of that psychiatric hospital, except to be sent to prison. How horrifying. I’m so sorry for Tim and his family and friends.
They don’t send people who murder others in a state where they couldn’t fully control themselves. Prison would do no good for him at all, prison isn’t a last ditch forever thing. It’s for rehabilitation.
@@ahtaystamcauther9376 but is it really? Rehabilitation, the way prisons are run, is a fantasy. It’s a freaking fairytale. But no, this guy probably shouldn’t be in prison. He should, however, be in the psych ward for life. If he’s capable of this atrocity because he didn’t take meds then he’s not safe enough to be allowed around other people. It’s too much of a risk.
@@ahtaystamcauther9376 there are prison hospitals for the mentally insane and dangerous people. Some people cannot be rehabilitated, some people are monsters and this man is a monster.
As someone who hears voices in their head, I can understand his battle with them especially when you’re not on medication because they feel so *real* but I just cannot believe they’d diagnose him, tell him he needs to be medicated but then just…let him go? I can’t fathom how any respectful medical professional would just leave him go. The devastation that could’ve been avoided if people just did something. I just truly hope that Tim is resting peacefully, he nor anyone deserves the pain that Vince caused. I hope everyone involved who survived are doing okay and have managed to heal 😔 I hope to god that this never happens again. This story just proves how much more needs to be done to protect not just those with mental illnesses but those who are around those with mental illnesses.
This sickens me not only because I come from a family full of medical professionals who each take their jobs seriously, but also have an older brother with severe autism who has benefited and was able to live a good life due to proper medical treatment and people who care, which demonstrates what can happen when things go right. However, Vince was severely let down by the system and loved ones, which not only led to his mental downfall, but the endangerement of the other passengers and death of Tim. This event was 100% preventable if the people in Vince’s life (including the doctors and his family) had chosen to closely monitor his situation and make sure he stayed medicated.
I don't know about Canada , but the US mental health system is so broken and extremely underfunded. Psych hospitals are essentially forced to discharge people that shouldn't be to open up beds for people who have been waiting weeks or months in the ER for one. We once had to discharge a woman who clearly wasn't ready.... she ended up squatting in an abandoned house a block away for months. She survived only off apples that fell from a tree in the yard. When winter hit, the apples stopped falling. She starved to death and kept a journal the entire time. I think there is a documentary about it somewhere.
You can't force someone into an institution unless they've proven to be a danger to themselves or others, from what I understand. Like you can't hold them against their will and I don't think you can force medication on someone either. So I'm not sure what they could have done with just the diagnosis...up until that point he hadn't physically hurt anyone. He seemed to be alone, too, divorced and had no friends or anyone close around him. I am shocked though that no one called the police about his strange behaviour at the bus station during those 24hrs. Maybe they could have gotten him assessed first, and that could have prevented it? But it doesn't seem like anyone called
I agree that there should be more done for those like Vince. Unfortunately, at least in the US and Canada, if a doctor/hospital deems a patient cognizant enough to make their own decisions they cannot be forced to be treated. It sounds like Vince wasn't ready to accept treatment.
This case hits me so hard as someone who has schizophrenia, I was diagnosed at 18 after Months of struggling with Hallucinations voices and much more. It broke me at first when I was diagnosed as I was so young. But as I started taking my meds- things got so much better! The voices stopped the hallucinations stop - I still do get them from time to time but there are no where near as Bad as they were- I know so many people are scared the meds will charge them and then do- but most of the time it’s for the better!!
So happy to hear that you were able to find a med that worked for you! I’ve only ever read about schizophrenia but it sounds like it can be truly terrifying. Major kudos to you for getting treatment 😊 I remember being really unnerved when I had to take my first antidepressant - it seemed so permanent to label myself as something so officially and then ingest something that could alter my brain…granted by now I’ve been diagnosed with major depressive disorder, anxiety disorder, borderline personality disorder..among others lol but it’s really scary at first and schizophrenia carries so much stigma. It’s really awesome that you were able to get past that and be proactive for your health and well-being ❤
I’m a nurse and schizophrenia commonly appears in later teen years. As long as you take your medicine, which judging by your comment you take regularly and are pretty self aware, things will be fine. I’m proud of you ❤
I didn’t go on meds for schizophrenia, but for BPD. I was SO AFRAID to start taking meds and even more so when I did and I noticed a change. I don’t react well to change and that change almost felt like I was losing a part of myself. It took some time to realize I was losing that part that wasn’t me and gaining back what BPD took from me. Meds aren’t the devil. They shouldn’t be loosely prescribed, but they’re so helpful when they’re necessary 🖤
hey danielle. this happened in my province. currently vince/will lives in selkirk which is about a 45-min drive from winnipeg, our capital city. this is still discussed regularly as a source of controversy. most people here do NOT support the decision to let him have so much freedom. my father actually personally knew the officer who died by suicide due to the ptsd. very tragic story all around and definitely shocking to everyone around here. i was only 10 when it happened and still remember this making national news.
@@eringwizon3939 god yeah. it's just horrible. when i was in high school we had classmates from selkirk and asking them about vince li was like, a regular "joke". not a joke, more like a local "bogeyman" for a lack of better words. i mean schizophrenia is horrible, so horrible, cannot imagine how awful it would be to live with that condition but tim's family and their concerns are 100% valid
This is not true he is no longer in Selkirk at the mental health facility and has not been in years. He is free working in the Westman area. I was friends with Tim and his death hit hard for lots of us.
As someone from Winnipeg, it’s amazing to hear this story told by someone in the UK. Tim’s story deserves to be known by everyone, and so does the fact that Vince walks free today - completely unsupervised with a very vague known whereabouts for the public 😢
To me it is horrifying that he is walking around with a new identity like nothing ever happened it totally blows my mind that they let him go with no supervision I can guarantee he's probably not taking his meds so God forbid it wouldn't surprise me if something like this happened again and I thought our judicial system was first well Canada seems to be way worse because I wonder if it took place here if things would have played out differently because then he needed to be locked in the Looney Bin forever or or prison and that's just my opinion
How in the world would the police explain their inaction to Tim's family? I can't even imagine the horror of the witnesses, but my heart goes out to Tim's family and how horrifying it would be for them to know how the life of their family member ended and the degradation of his remains. Nope, never heard of this one. Not sure how I'll get over this one. Great eye makeup BTW. Thank you so much...
Exactly what I thought too!! Tims family should be able to win a lawsuit against the cops, how dare they just do nothing and allow Vince to further decicrate Tims remains, he was clearly a threat to anyone else he would have come in contact with, he needed to be dealt with then and there regardless that Tim was already deceased. It was like the cops decided "oh well let's let him get his crazies out and finish his business with the dead man" it shook me. So horrible and wrong on many levels. Police dropped the ball.
Are you guys serious...? Why are you all so mad at the cops? The bus was locked, there's a man inside who's clearly lost his mind, with a giant knife, do you really want the cops to risk their lives to save a dead person? Do you just not view the cops lives as valuable or what? Trying to stop a corpse from getting hurt is not nearly important enough to risk the lives of more people
@jonathanjrgensen6774 I definitely don't want the cops to get hurt. However in an attempt to speak for everyone who is upset with the cops, I think there's a few points to be made in that there was more than one cop, so that's several against one. They are trained to do this, take down an armed individual and he had a knife not a gun. They have devices to break open a door and they could have shot him with a tase gun immediately which are incredibly strong he would've fallen to the ground, then they could apprehend him further. That all could've taken seconds, while he was distracted. The thing is it doesn't matter that the guy was already dead, he's in there committing a crime, a vile one and the cops are present, cops are trained to stop people committing crimes and they could've done that, in this case the crime being committed further hurt the guys family so that is why everyone us speaking out against the cops. Point being they were trained to handle a dangerous guy and stop him further committing the crime he was doing and they didn't. It doesn't matter if the crime is just rummaging through someone's house, why do you think if the cops show up to a place being robbed and no one is in danger, they stop the guy, why? Well that's simple to stop him committing a crime. It's not typical for cops to stand around and say "oh well our lives are in dabger", their lives are in danger everyday they are trained to handle it in every situation even this one. So saying people just want the cops to get hurt is ignorant and said without thinking about hat the cops are trained to do and what they should have done, sorry I'm just presenting facts.
@@stephaniezini if cops show up at a house where a guy is robbing it, they surround the place and make him come out with his hands up, they don't just rush him?? - what would be the point in risking officers to go tackle the guy?? And no matter how trained they are for these situations, like the one in this case, it's still a risk to go confront a man with a knife, no matter the precautions you take. He can throw it, maybe he's in a state of mind that wouldn't care about the pain of the tasers, lots of things can happen. Even if there's a 1% chance of a cop getting hurt, it's not right to take that risk. And I'm sure it's not nice for the family to know their kids corpse got fucked up so bad, but its not as bad as what had already happened, their kid dying. Why risk another death? It sounds like you're saying cause officers risk their lives sometimes that they should keep doing it in every case, and not value their lives over a crime. I understand that they have to risk their lives for others lives, but not for something not life threatening, like in this case.
I remember this clearly and the rage from the public was palpable. There was no justice in this case and it's disgusting that this monster is roaming free.
How on earth can the Canadian government get behind this decision? The general public is literally at risk with this monster walking free. Is there any petition that we can sign? Any protest we can join or at least blast to SM? I do realize this was some time ago but it doesn't change the fact of how wrong and dangerous this decision really is. I'm an American but I'd still love to sign any petition of support for you guys up north if something could be done. In my humble opinion, he should be in an institution and the key thrown away. To leave him to his own devices in choosing to take his meds every day is terrifying knowing what he was capable of, and not knowing when "God" will tell him to strike again. I can handle a lot but this story put me a little bit over the edge of what I can actually handle. I unfortunately have a really vivid imagination for good or bad so when Danielle is telling this story, my a*shole brain is throwing me these horrible, horrible violent mental pictures as this nightmare of a story goes on getting worse by the minute. My God, poor Tim!! I also cannot even begin to understand the mental anguish and horror those passengers went through. I actually do have PTSD from something that happened years back. It was pretty severe and my brain actually to this day blocks out some of the attack as a form of keeping me safe because it was too much to handle in that moment. I think the counselor called it disassociation. I can recall most of what happened with a few blanks that I know now corresponded with the worst of it. I would bet my next paycheck that some of these passengers may be going down this same road and if so, I am just so sorry for them. The knife part + the unfettered sudden violence on an innocent person he had cornered has triggered me a bit right now and I don't think I've ever said that about a YT video, much less even claimed to be 'triggered'. Yeah, I'm not doing so good right now. Most importantly, RIP Tim. The poor guy didn't deserve this. He seems like he would have been a fun and interesting person to hang out with.
@@samr1013 He made the conscious decision to stop taking his meds. He was warned of what could happen if he stopped taking them. That conscious decision led to this. He is fully responsible for what happened and he is a monster.
@@kimkardashianruinedmylife That’s not how schizophrenia works!! You can’t be held accountable to “just take your meds” lmao. They’re not in their right mind!!! Even when they do take their meds they still hallucinate sometimes and their hallucinations are just as real as anything else in the world to them. Just as real as the doctor telling them to take their meds. Their hallucinations are just as real and telling them not to. They do not understand reality! Their brains are fucking broken. I’m so sick of all the comments on here like this. My mom was schizophrenic and the only reason she took her meds is because we were there every day to make sure she did. & even then she still had hallucinations & every few years her meds would completely stop working & we’d have to get her back into the psych ward to recalibrate her dosages or switch to new meds altogether. Without a STRONG and VIGILANT support system no schizophrenic person will ever stay on their meds. Their delusions always tell them not to take them, that they’re not crazy and that what they hear and see is real. Y’all clearly have zero personal experience with schizophrenics.
A girl I worked with was on that bus. If I remember correctly he actually sat beside her before he moved and went on to do what he did. Needless to say she was off work for a while and had to go to therapy. It was horrifying finding out something like this happened & that your friend was on the bus. I can't even imagine what they all went through.
As a Canadian I think this is one of the most well known cases that happened more recently, but after listening I realized I definitely did not know the whole story. For one I feel like a lot of people thought he used a machete instead cause that’s how I was always told how it happened
This is one of the cases you have covered that I am more familiar with as I am a Canadian. My feelings are that as Vince had a diagnosis, and made the decision to not treat himself for his diagnosis, the concept of “cannot be held responsible, or didn’t know what he was doing” should be off the table. He made the decision to allow himself to become dangerous while he was still in control of his actions. The moment he chose to end his medications was the moment he accepted full culpability for anything he did going forward.
i don’t think he should’ve ever been released but don’t agree with being accountable the same way a sane person is. one of the symptoms of schizophrenia is paranoia and a lack of insight. as someone who has family and friends family members with this condition, it’s almost impossible if not possible to convince a schizophrenic that they’re schizophrenic. secondly, they almost always think their medications are some sort of poison, and you have to put it in teas, candies, etc to give it to them. the fact that he was left unsupervised by family or medical professionals (who to be fair can only do so much, i’ve had to call on psychotic episodes and most of the time you can’t get someone admitted legally if they refuse and at that present time present no danger), is the biggest issue here. there has to be a way to get people admitted before they become a present risk. but again someone with schizophrenia is never going to willingly admit themselves, take their medications, they believe in why they’re hearing is real and that they’re not sick , they don’t have insight.
I re read your response and I think I misinterpreted it the first time. I believe you are saying he SHOULD be in an institution for the criminally insane because he IS criminally insane. My first interpretation was that you believed he was institutionalized currently. My mistake and my apologies.
I think what I find most frustrating is that there were many chances to stop him and keep him under hospital care as he was a danger to himself and others and he was against taking his medications. This case has always been super frustrating to watch
Agree totally! He starts acting bizarrely and eating only potatoes and his wife does nothing? How many times was he seen with behaviors indicating there were problems and no one did anything? I don't understand. SMH. Now he's free and no one knows if he'll continue medical treatment that, had he taken meds as prescribed starting 4-years earlier, this wouldn't have happened. 😢💔 May everyone involved in this case have peace and comfort 🙏🕊️.
Ikr? A doctor in 2004 should have been informed enough to know that a person with schizophrenia who’s in psychosis isn’t just gonna go “oh, it’s all just a delusion, I’ll just take my meds and get better”. Everything about his reality, how he was experiencing himself and the world around him, was giving him false information. The dude needed serious care to get back out of the reality break by that point. It probably wouldn’t have even taken that long. This kind of thing is a prime example of systemic failure in the medical industry…what happened to him is worse than “medical limbo”. It should be criminal negligence imo.
I can't imagine Tim's massive regret and pain in that moment, thinking maybe I should have accepted the offer for the plane ticket. But maybe the plane could have crushed. We never know. Only God keeps us safe. I can't imagine his pain💔
@@wildersystem agreed! Like who talks to a patient who is in the deep end and be like “ok you are responsible for yourself and take your meds” like what! It’s like telling a suicide patient to take care and don’t do it again w/o putting them in watch or having them being seen by a specialist and be cleared. Like this person has voices telling him what to do and you expect him to listen to someone else? Nah, they should have taken responsibility, have him get treated, evaluated and then cleared once he was rehabilitated or something. But nope, they should have been sued
I truly love how you give a minute to remember each victim. Each case is sad and the way you honor them at the end Is Inspiring and I think that's why each video you do sticks with me
I have a feeling you've never met anyone with severe mental illness. Honestly, I hope you never ever do, but if you do you'll see just how impossible it is to get them to stay medicated.
@Laura Mai then he needs to be kept somewhere under supervision. You can't have it both ways where you say they can't be held responsible for what they do but then they can't be held responsible for not taking their meds. He needs to be held in a hospital indefinitely. Why should everyone around him be in constant danger because he can't be trusted to take his meds and not start mutilating people?!
Not taking meds wasn't a "choice" he made. The disease made that decision for him. I don't believe he should be unsupervised but it's not as straightforward as you seem to think.
Welcome to Canada where the police and the law don’t care about the victims. Time and time again they’ve shown they don’t care. My heart goes out to Tim, his family and all the passengers on that Greyhound bus.
This is one of those cases that has lived rent free in my head since I first heard it. Seriously, haunting is the best way to describe it. RIP Tim and thank you for covering it! I'm always surprised at how few people have.
Haunting I agree is probably the most accurate description! Chilled me to my very core when I first learned of it, so I can't imagine how traumatised all the witnesses to this tragedy feel not to mention Tim's loved ones. So sad
This case has left me a little nervous when it comes to public transportation because you just never know who comes on a bus and whether or not you were going to make it to your stop safely. I’ve heard of this story from other UA-camrs, but I didn’t know he was actually sent to a hospital and given medication for schizophrenia. I also love the extra information on Vince’s background because I never knew a lot of these things beforehand.
Yup especially lately in Chicago where I live it's gotten so bad on public transportation that my job has started paying for Lyft to and from work from 6pm to 6am everyday. But even during the day it's scary everything from people getting attacked, sexually assaulted, drug use, etc. I will not go out especially on the trains without at least a knife and pepper spray (currently working on a conceal carry permit).
Before moving to Ireland, I had never taken the bus as a form of transport. Now I take it every day to get to and from college and ever since hearing about this case, i get so paranoid
Takes a lot to make me cry. Seeing how his family got no justice, the witness victims got nothing as well, and then the woman with PTSD losing her baby… brought tears to my eyes as someone who has ptsd
This is why you're my favorite true crime channel: I watched a podcast covering this case and they completely left out the fact he was already diagnosed with schizophrenia before this crime occurred. Your research is always more indepth than anyone else I watch. It makes it all the more horrific for me they let him free and held him unaccountable. Thank you for all of your hard work!
I agree with you 💯 they let this lunatic out without supervision and probably not taking meds so it would not surprise me if something like this happened again our judicial system is beyond fucked sorry for the language but this is just how I feel. I think it happened in Canada where they did what they did with him so I wonder if it was here if things would have turned out differently but our Judicial System here is wack and it's just as wack in Canada maybe even worse
@@rachelrae860 how about you don't call people lunatics lol. i'm gonna assume you've never dealt with being diagnosed with a mental illness because it's scary as hell to go through that process and sometimes it is very hard to accept/actually take medication. every med i've been prescribed as made me worse (suicidal) so i stopped taking them and now i just have to deal with shit without them, and it's pretty hard. this is obviously a very different thing but that doesn't give you an excuse to be ableist
@user-ht1jb4wm9c I'm sorry you have to go through this but it's my opinion and I could have said a lot worse but I didn't and I'm not sure what you mean by it doesn't give me a right to be an abeliest? And you can't assume I've never been diagnosed with a mental illness cause I have and if God forbid I did something like that people could call me whatever they want because in my opinion he acted like a lunatic and again it's my opinion and we all have one but at the end of the day it doesn't mean we don't have to agree with one another. We can have different opinions and it be okay. Again this is in my eyes and if you wanna be mean or nasty about it then I'm sorry. I meant no harm to anyone,, just my opinion and I hope you can understand where I'm coming from. If not Again I'm sorry and I do wish you well 🌻
I don't remember where or when, but I have heard this case before. Schizophrenia, is a disorder that affects a person's ability to think, feel, and behave clearly. It also involves delusions (false beliefs), hallucinations (seeing or hearing things that don't exist), unusual physical behavior, and disorganized thinking and speech. It is common for people with schizophrenia to have paranoid thoughts or hear voices. When someone has this disorder, they must be supervised bc many of them don't want to take their meds, or think they don't need them. If any Dr diagnoses someone and puts them on medication, I believe they have an obligation to maintain a Dr/patient relationship to insure that the meds are taken.
Do we know for sure that Vince is not doing that or are we assuming because he is unsupervised? Who knows maybe he has a therapist or regular follow ups but that info probably can't be shared because of privacy laws.
@@changemymind06 Nope we don't, but if you read what I said you'd realize I didn't say anything about him specifically. I said that it's common for ppl who are schizophrenic to not continue their meds either bc they don't think they need them, they don't like the way they make them feel, or the voices tell them a vast array of things about the meds and what they are "really doing."
It doesn't affect every person the same way just like any other illness. Treatment varies depending on symptoms which may or may not include medication.
Bus cases are always the most brutal. I mean, what do you do in that situation? Sure in the impossible chance of a fire on the bus, or even a more common occurance like a sinking bus, they have unlockable windows and a roof hatch. But, what do you do on a hostage bus? Nothing. Most bus seats aren't big enough to crawl under or behind, there's no weapon to defend yourself, your completely trapped. I don't have any ideas, but there's gotta be SOME solution out there to help keep buses safer in hostage situations, especially with the concerning rise of them. This case is just a tragedy, and although I know it lead to Greyhound Buses being shutdown, it sadly changed very little, when it should have changed the world. Rest in peace and bless all the victims affected 🕊️
I’m from Brandon MB (2 hrs away from Winnipeg) and I can say that this absolutely rocked our community. With us being such a small community it was hard to find someone who wasn’t affected by this.
@milkweedsage They can't be top notch if they let this guy loose! For years he didn't take medication, kills someone, he spends some time in the hospital and then he is set free? What if he does it again?
@user-ue3ep7uz1k he has no reason NOT to take his meds (no bad side effects) and every reason to be compliant. He knows what's at stake. He's got lifetime monitoring. You might be afraid of him but I'm not.
Rip Tim. I was sad to hear his son will grow up without him, but on a positive note, Tim lives through him and in a way, Tim's mother has a piece of him left. I hope all the victims will find peace and be able to heal from this horror. As always, your extensive research and empathy are much appreciated. Unfortunately, I don't know if medication would have helped without constant monitoring. My friend's son has Schizophrenia and the problem is, once they start to feel better, they often stop taking their meds. With his father's constant supervision, he seems to be ok. Unfortunately, they can't be monitored constantly.
And sadly they can’t be trusted…it’s the same with bipolar people think the are ok stop taking meds then have manic episodes. If people could be trusted to take their meds it wouldn’t be such a problem but they don’t ! I have found through people I know of who have had both of these mental health issues they have ALL stopped taking meds, no matter their age or lifestyle. I know one said to me I will never be like my mum but of course she has done exactly the same thing. The thing is they change to completely different people and seem to have super human abilities in distances they walk to the crazy things they do, it’s so scary. This guy should have been sent to jail he still killed an innocent young man, he clearly denies he has any health issues he should be kept locked up either in jail or mental hospital. Heck they could always deport him back to China and red flag him so he’s not allowed in any country except China where he came from. Why should the people of Canada or anywhere else be subjected to this clearly crazy individual who can’t be trusted to take his med’s. Who knows what the heck he’s done since. Be at peace Tim, so sorry you were brutalised by this crazy psycho you didn’t deserve it. 🕊️🕊️🕊️💔🙏🏻
This is the case for a lot of mental illnesses, my bipolar sister recently stopped her meds too because she thought she was better. People need to realise that the reason you feel better is *because* of the meds! I'm definitely scared that Vince will stop his, and I can't wait for the impending hullabaloo with my sister 😮💨
@lauraanderson8785 that is exactly how I feel they let this lunatic go with no supervision and I can guarantee he's probably not taking meds because he's not being monitored and it wouldn't surprise me if God forbid something like this happened again and our judicial system is beyond fucked I just don't understand how they could have let him go he needed to pay for what he did to Tim and his family and this is probably one of the most grotesque heinous and depraved case that I've ever heard. I was just realizing that it took place in Canada and I guess their system is just as broken or if not worse than ours and I really wonder if it happened here if things would have played out differently
Y’all please don’t use mental illnesses as an adjective. Instead use “person with”. Using it as an adjective reduces us to our illness when we’re so much more.
Did they really just put the other passengers in another Greyhound bus and let them go with their lives, just like that, as if nothing happened? I mean, I would be SO traumatised that I'd never take a bus ever in my life... I can't imagine the PTSD they must have all had. This case is truly disgusting, making me sick to my stomach. How can the world be so crazy??? That frightens me so much. Thanks for covering this case, for Tim and the brave men that tried their best to help him.
I too, believe, that the police should've paid for some kind of taxi for the victims to avoid them being in the same situation, in a bus, locked, full of strangers. This probably was a horror to everyone there and given the short time that had happened it's likely that their PTSD got worse after having to travel again in such despair... There was no kind of justice to anyone here.
schizophrenia is not an excuse for what this man did... but man, it is a horrible condition. Watched a good friend become a stranger over a handful of months.
I can't believe I'd never heard of this one. Frankly, I'm glad I didn't hear about it before I took a greyhound bus with my 18 year old daughter from Georgia to Arkansas in October. It was terrifying enough to be on constant high alert. Thank you for the way you deliver these stories. What a horrific way to die, and to witness! Just awful.
I always look to see what color her nail polish is since she always matches her eye shadow color to her nail color. I wondered if I was the only 1 who noticed & appreciated this little fact. Lol. Glad I'm not the only 1 to find enjoyment to Danielle's dedication to the little details.
Most of y’all have been following her longer than me but I watched a video and she mentioned that viewers loved it when she matched her nails and shadow, so now she does it for all of us ❤
He should be in jail, for life. Thank you for telling these stories with the respect they deserve. My heart goes out to Tim & his family. I hope his mam is able to find some comfort in raising her grandson ❤
This case has always infuriated me. When it happened, the entire country was horrified and outraged, and it just amplified when he was released. To think that a man as depraved as this has been allowed to be set free is disgusting. He refused to take his medication once and his irresponsible actions resulted in the end of a beautiful soul; who's to say he won't stop taking it again? I absolutely agree that he should've received the psychiatric help he needed. However, at the end of the day, he still committed one of the most grotesque murders I have ever heard of. He should be in prison for life, and the fact that he is now free to walk around terrifies me
That’s not how schizophrenia works at all. It’s not that he was depraved and refused them. It’s that he was incredibly ill and truly, 100% believed he was not schizophrenic and didn’t need them. That’s what schizophrenia does. It makes you distrustful and delusional in your thought. It doesn’t matter if 1000 doctors say you’re schizophrenic. If you say you’re not, you’re not. That’s the mindset. He shouldn’t have been locked up in a prison. He shouldn’t have been released either. He should’ve been helped psychologically. I do wish people attempted to understand schizophrenia.
This case shook all of Canada. I live in BC and I remember the fear it struck... which only worsened when Vince was released. Between that and Karla Homolka, we really have released some of the worst and most dangerous out to be free in society. RIP Tim, I hope his son knows how wonderful his father seems and I hope that Tim's family is finding peace in having some of Tim still with them via his child.
I know alot of ppl say it but I'll repeat it, I LOVE LOVE LOVE that you spend so much time focusing on the victims, tim sounds fucking awesome and it brought a big smile to my face when you talked about him, despite knowing his future. He deserves to be remembered.
I'm going thru your videos and I do want to say I love the detail you put into describing these cases. I wouldn't normally comment, but this one hit really close to home. My mother has schizophrenia and all the symptoms you described is definitely what she experiences. She's luckily still in treatment, but the path to get that treatment was (and still has been) extremely difficult. If Vince had gotten an ounce of that help, if anyone in authority had stepped up, none of this would have happened. People with severe mental health are rarely treated to the standards they need. It's a huge problem in our society that I really wish was better. My heart goes out to Tim's family. This entire case was absolutely horrific and could have been avoided. I hope his family has been able to cope and grieve in a healthy way. None of them deserved this.
It was horrifying and incomprehensible. I was iffy about watching this video because I still to this day can't believe something so horrible happened, especially to someone who sounds like a great dude. I think I'm sorry I watched it.
i love listening to you while working in homeoffice..its meanwhile like sitting with a good friend hearing incredible (horrible) stories ..and i really love your empathy while telling them
Binging all of Danielle's vids! I knew about this case and it is one of the most heartbreaking for sure. Something that always bothers me is why didn't the passengers try help?? Like do something, do anything! Imagine being attacked like this on public transport and watching everyone just flee instead of helping you, it sounds like a nightmare. It's no wonder they are traumatised, I don't know how I would sleep either knowing I watched someone get killed and did absolutely nothing to help
I watch true crime videos every night before bed and I’m fine with it but hearing this case has seriously made me uneasy. Rest in peace Tim, it’s truly awful what happened to him 😔 Thank you Danielle for being so respectful in telling us about this case ❤
I remember this case, it was on the news here in the US. I actually took a greyhound after this and they were searching the carry-on bags for weapons and glass because of this. It was very sad what happened to him and his family may he rest in peace and his family never forgets to celebrate his life
I’ve heard of this story before, but I had no idea the details you’ve told here. Thank you, Danielle!! You truly are incredible!! And so compassionate which I love also!!!!
This case traumatised me when I first heard of it (not long after it happened) and I didn't realise just how much it still hits me 😞 Tim was such a beautiful soul and because one selfish man refused to accept his illness he lost his life and the ability to watch his baby boy come into the world and grow up! The fact he was released made me so so angry! One of my closest friends actually didn't live too far from where Vince was living with Anna and it really affected him when this happened too, my heart goes out to all the passengers on that bus who had to witness this horror scene and shame on the police for literally not giving a s**t about Tim! But most of all my heart breaks for Tim's family, friends and his Son who will never meet his amazing Daddy. Sleep Peacefully Tim 😇❤️🌹
I think both men that went on the bus at first would have been able to take him down but they were cowards just like the fucking police like how can you stand outside this bus and watch with this lunatic did to poor Tim it makes me sick to my stomach 🤮
.."and because one selfish man refused to accept his illness" - I'm suprised there seems to still be some many people unaware of paranoid schizophrenia. In general, paranoid schizophrenics are not sick, theres nothing wrong with them, there is everything wrong with everyone else who claims that they are sick and need medicine. Try working or dealing with someone who suffers from the illness before you comment. In Vince's case he was far from selfish, he was trying to save a bus load of people from a demon. "One of my closest friends actually didn't live too far from where Vince was living with Anna and it really affected him when this happened too" So..he was affected because he lived 'not too far' from where Vince no longer lived with Anna..but he didnt know or meet vince.or anna..or tim..but he did live in Canada.
@@rachelrae860 I wouldn't say they were cowards because they did more than the police did, and in a situation like that they were brave to even attempt stopping him, unfortunately they likely would have been really hurt or killed too because when someone with severe schizophrenia goes into that state they become machine like and don't feel anything.
@englishrose8013 that's your opinion and we all have one,,I just don't agree with yours but at the end of the day we can still get along 🤗. We don't have to agree with each other but that's what makes us all different. I hope you have a good night 🌻
Danielle, please consider this case from Northern British Columbia - Cody Legebokoff is one of Canada's youngest serial killers. He lived a double-life, everyone thought he was this normal, charming guy from a good family, but secretly he'd murdered several local sex workers and was only caught and apprehended after murdering one of my, at the time, 9th grade classmates, down a backroad only a few KM from my house. It shook every community in the area. It would be a great opportunity to tie in talking about the Highway of Tears. The HoT is something that grips Northern BC, a connection spanning 50+ years of mostly unsolved murders and disappearances, majority of which were indigenous women. It's impossible to drive through the area without seeing Madison Scott's Missing billboards. I have personal connections to several of the women on the HoT list and it's frustrating/baffling to me how little the HoT is talked about in true crime.
This case is so horrifying! There's absolutely no reason the killer should be walking free. It makes no sense. A grave injustice! I'm so angry at how this case was handled so I can only imagine how Tim's family must feel. May his poor soul rest in peace.
I have heard of this case before, but you are the first one to have actual video of Tim included. It is so incredibly heartbreaking and terrifying what happened to him. Hearing that his mother prayed for the victim's family, not knowing it was her own son, brought tears to my eyes. I can't even imagine the grief.
Amplifying the grief, horror, and shock for MOST Canadians is that this crazy violent nutcase is walking around freely in Canada with a new identity! IF they didn't punish him with a life sentence then at least they should have shipped him back to China! [NO I'm not racist, I just think crazy people who commit such violent crimes shouldn't be allowed to be free]
I just have to say I’ve listened to multiple people tell this case and this is by far the best one I’ve heard so far. Extra info, really getting to know both the victim and the perpetrator, and just altogether told so well, seriously brought tears to my eyes twice. Really scary that this guys has a new name and just gets to be free :/
How heartbreaking!! Tim's poor family. My husband was killed 3.9 yrs ago. Just the thoughts of how horrific his death was was so traumatic. I can't imagine the thoughts that go through his family's minds, nor the poor souls who witnessed this horror. I'm so sorry Tim's loved ones have nothing to cremate or bury. The fact that the police didn't stop the guy and watched him desecrate Tim's body is just awful. Thank you for doing what you do. We all look forward to seeing you every Sunday. I so appreciate the time you take to be so thorough. As a relatively new widow, you have no idea how much your work helped me along the way... and still did today. Take care and be safe. Xo
Ugh poor Tim and his family 😢and the passengers on the bus. How awful to experience that. How horrifying that Vince was released. I’d be terrified that he could stop taking his meds. Your coverage of these cases is so thorough and compassionate. Thanks for all you do ❤
That's the exact comments that I have been leaving it would not surprise me if he stopped taking his meds since he is not under any type of supervision and God forbid something like this could totally happen again and I kept saying that our judicial system is fucked but it seems Canada is just as bad if not worse and I wonder if it played out here if it would have been done differently because that lunatic should have had to pay for what he did to Tim because that was the most grotesque depraved and heinous crime that I have probably ever heard
Tim was so handsome. And he left this world in such a traumatic way. This story could have been prevented if this man had gotten the help he needed. It's just awful all around and so scary.
Tim is a wonderful person he was in the wrong place at the wrong time!! This case is horrific, and very very sad!! Cris,and Garnet are awesome!! Vince is one of the craziest people I’ve ever heard of!! Vince should have never ever ,got out of mental hospital,or prison!! Thanks Danielle for this wild case ❤❤❤❤❤
Tim comes to my mind more often than any other victim. He seemed like a great guy and the hell he went through was just so unneccessary and preventable. This case has affected me more than any other case I've heard of. Thinking about his family finding out the way they lost Tim brings tears to my eyes. Rest well Tim, you should still be here ❤
This was truly a heartbreaking case! I’m from Canada, and think of this often. Definitely brings up some interesting controversial conversations due to the mental health aspect. Thanks for bringing attention to this case Danielle ❤️ seeing your videos pop up always make my sundays!
I'm not even halfway through, and my heart is breaking at how Tim had the opportunity to not be at the wrong place at the wrong time, but he had no idea. He just wanted adventure, and that led to this. This is so sad.
Random violence is hard to grasp. This is the third time I watch a video about it, and I love the way you narrated both men's path towards the final denouement. It is baffling that mental health treatment and follow up (especially follow up) is so underrated.
i HATE when people say "there's no need for sunglasses so that's STRANGE and SUSPICIOUS"" my dad wears sunglasses even at night because he has light triggered migraines people have accused him of all sorts of stuff, especially being on drugs but no, he just doesn't want to get a serious migraine at the grocery store or when he sees a cop car flashing in his face, which makes him have to pull over AND SLEEP ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD until he's able to drive home or to a hotel or something - it's a serious safety hazard if he can't wear them when he wants to blind people often wear them too i've worn sunglasses inside in stores and stuff because sometimes i get an allergic reaction that makes my eyes all red and puffy (i'm allergic to basically everything outdoors) other stuff is suspicious in this case obviously but sunglasses help people exist in the world, as an accessibility aid like regular glasses for people with bad vision please don't continue to spread this stigma of "people wearing sunglasses inside/when they're not "needed (read-i specifically wouldn't wear sunglasses in this way, so nobody needs to because my experiences are universal)" are weird and suspicious" most of the time they're just people trying to go about their daily life 😩 same as like, autistic and Deaf people wearing headphones out in public autistic people because sensory overload with lots of sounds, Deaf people often so people don't assume they can hear them and get angry for the Deaf person ignoring them (yeah that's because they didn't hear you... easier for hearing people to get it if someone is wearing headphones 🙄)
Shooooo kudos to his parents. If my son’s killer was walking around free he wouldn’t be doing it for long! I pray they find peace and happiness since that is what Tim would want for them ❤️
I remember when this happened, and I'll never forget. Absolutely horrific. I struggle with the idea of punishing a person who had a major mental break because of something like schizophrenia. The system is so broken. You can't tell someone who's severely schizophrenic that they have a major mental disorder then send them on their way to manage it themselves. The system is responsible for not getting him the treatment he needed at initial diagnosis, imo.
He refused to take his medication. In most jurisdictions here in the US, someone who refuses to take their meds and commits a crime are held legally responsible. I think that's the correct call.
@@ShannonR1969 The US system is flawed as well. A person such as Vince Li doesn't believe the voices he's hearing aren't real. How can you expect a person who believes his psychosis isn't really psychosis to take medication?
@@ShannonR1969 It’s definitely a crime, but people with mental illnesses such as Schizophrenia often believe they aren’t ill and that medication is a governmental ploy to control them as part of their delusions. In the U.K., if you refuse to take your medication, there are things such as a Depot, where the medical professionals give you an injection every month which you have to attend or else you’ll be sectioned. The doctors shouldn’t have just let him go.
you should check out the kim sungjae case from 1995! he was found dead/murdered in his hotel room the day after his solo debut performance. he was covered in needle marks and they found animal anesthesia in his blood. everyone believes it was his girlfriend who murdered him bc she bought the anesthesia but wasn't charged with his death bc lack of evidence, it's a really interesting case! it's considered one of the most mysterious cases in the korean music industry
I saw the title for this and I groaned. Having heard this story before I was loathe to visit it again. It makes me sob for Tim and his family. But at the same time I want to be supportive to you, Danielle, so I knew I had to watch it. And I did two days later playing a game on my phone so I wouldn’t pay close attention to it. But when you mentioned Tim’s mom being at work I started to sob again. ( I’m doing it again as I type this because I just cannot fathom the level of shock and pain … It scares me that Vince is out there free. I have a sister that’s much like her. She had a great job and home and a daughter. But she had also been diagnosed with bi polar paranoid ( or something to that extent). Well she decided to go off her meds and she went downhill quickly. Now she jumps around from womens shelter to womens shelter all across America and leaves as soon as she perceives someone works for the government ( they never are) because she is sure the government thinks she’s a Russian spy. Her daughter has a beautiful son but my sister never sees him because of her paranoia. And she gets worse because she will not take meds.
I can sympathise with you on this. I have CPTSD and after I had my son I just lied when they asked me mental health questions because I was scared that my son might be taken off me. I've had depression and anxiety my whole life. My son is diagnosed autistic and I'm now being assessed for autism and ADHD.
i understand you but in some cases people with were suvere ptsd the person can’t take care of themselves because of the suvere trauma and maybe she could not take care of her child. it’s so terrible
You aren't so debilitated by your PTSD that you feel you can be a decent parent, some people unfortunately are not in the same boat. What is best for the child is the most important thing here people. I think a child being raised by someone who could be inadvertently doing damage because they are struggling so hard mentally is more scary than that person having their child taken from them.
I have it too. But I can admit that there are limited circumstances when a mother's symptoms appear more like post partum psychosis and she could be a danger to her child. It's extremely rare but it does happen. If your PTSD is under control, though, you're fine.
This case is such a heartbreaking one. Especially for Tim’s son. Hoping for healing and good health for Tim’s family, and for all of us to be safe on our daily commute.
As Canadians, we are disgusted by this. He made a choice not to take his meds, where's the accountability for that?! Tim and his family were disregarded and disrespected from start to finish. The only person who's welfare was considered is the murderer. Now he's out with no monitoring of him taking his meds... Shocking Incompetence by our justice system. There is no possible was this can be seen as protecting public safety.
This case happened when I was a child and since I heard of it I’ve been terrified even thinking about it. The things that this man did to Tim is so vile and disgusting. the fact that this man walks free and the justice system won’t even really release WHERE he is is terrifying and whenever I think about it to much I feel like I’m going to throw up. It’s so scary that this happened, mental health help and medication should be medically forced on people like this
I'm sure this is obvious to most everyone; but the likelihood of someone with schizophrenia committing a violent crime is very low. We only hear about the violent people who either refused/were unable to get treatment. There is a stigma about people with hallucinations being unpredictable and violent and this is just not true. Thanks again Danielle for another amazing video!
@Lorraine Armstrong My point was in no way discrediting the suffering of people who were affected by this crime or any other. My point is that people with schizophrenia are often stereotyped as violent murderers and portrayed that way in the press which leads to unfair treatment of them in society. My point was attempting to remind people not to take the actions of one violent man and apply it to an entire population.
@@lorrainearmstrong7587 Thank you!! My exe's son was a paranoid schizophrenic who, after I left, I read had violently rap*d a woman, after trying to break into another apartment. Excuse me that I don't want to hear the whole white-knight need to virtue signal. Many actually DO commit crimes and lacking a filter, can be incredibly aggressive and dangerous. There's a reason there is a stigma. Sure some of it is unfair, but is also based in a little truth.
No bc ive listened to every murder podcast under the sun with a poker face but THIS. THIS was the one that truly got me. How. How did the universe arrange itself for this to happen with such precision and affect so many lives. It’s just. It baffled me and Christy your research and story telling made justice for Tim. Thank you for sharing his story with the world. I learned so much. It moved me to the point of commenting and thats a lot.
This was traumatic for a lot of people here in Canada that didn’t know the poor guy and then you think how traumatic it must have been for his family and loved ones.
I was on a Greyhound from Calgary to Winnipeg to visit family just a week before this incident. I was supposed to take a Greyhound to go back to Calgary a couple weeks later. My mom was so freaked out that she bought me a plane ticket instead 😅 This case is so heartbreaking. The state of mental Healthcare in Canada is... bad, to say the least. As someone who has been both a patient and a volunteer at crisis centres, it really crushes me.
I’m from Canada this case is infamous here. I’ve gone on that exact same bus route via greyhound from bc to Alberta. Makes this story all the more haunting and it paints a clearer image. Absolutely terrifying. His underdevelopment/ struggle to stop peeing the bed says child abuse to me.
Bed-wetting is indicative of numerous learning delays and disabilities. You should be aware that you’re basically accusing many parents of abuse for their kids wetting the bed for those things
@@Author.Noelle.Alexandria especially considering that Vince was born a month premature. Premature births bring a higher risk of developmental issues and musculoskeletal anomalies, so I can see this as a weaker bladder and development delay
That's a bit harsh..bed wetting on its own can mean nothing,it's if it is combined with,apparently,killing animals as a youngster & theirs another element I can't think of but yh,all 3 of these combined can be indicative of said point but on its own bedwetting can be harmless!..don't spread misinformation as you could be pointing the finger at alot of innocent parents there!..Not cool..
@@Author.Noelle.Alexandria there’s been countless evidence proving bed wetting issue’s persisting beyond being a Toddler being an effect of trauma / child abuse. Jon benet for example. Had it been caught earlier * the obvious abuse she might still be alive. Instead family ignored the signs. Them getting punished for wetting the bed it makes it worse . Which happens. To think otherwise is ignorant. Doesn’t mean every grown child peeing the bed means abuse but it could be means to pay closer attention for other suss signs of abuse. Most killers didn’t have happy normal childhoods. They were usually abused / neglected. Again because apparently I need to explain logic, doesn’t mean every abused child will go onto kill. Ie myself. But people deal with trauma differently. Some cope better than others. Doesn’t excuse them of consequences for their actions. But a person being abused during the years they are developing into the person they will become can have huge effects on the rest of their life aka mine.
@@fionamcfadden5772 no offence ,what a stupid comment. lol No shiz it doesn’t always mean abuse. But it’s linked to many killers childhoods. As are developmental and social issues… sooo…. I also know it’s a thing social workers look for . Would they take a child away just for that one thing? No but they may look into it further because that’s there job. There’s cases of social workers not acting on these signs and it ending n abused children dying so eff off with that nonsense mmkay 👌🏻✨💫
I've had a friend who has schizophrenia, and he did end up having a very bad psychotic episode in a different country and was sort of lost for either months or years, I'm not sure, I just remember that it took his family a long time to find him again. He didn't murder anybody, sure, but he had lost control and done all kinds of stuff that would seem weird or unsettling to the rest of us. After treatment and with medication, he's been able to live a mostly normal life, but he still sometimes suffers from psychotic episodes, especially when he sometimes decides to not take his meds for one reason or another (tbh that seems like a pattern with all the people I know that have schizophrenia) and he ends up destroying property or just has a mental breakdown or something. Treatment and medication are important, and I hope that during the stay in the psychiatric hospital he learned to understand his condition more and became more responsible with taking his meds and all that. Yes, what he did was wrong, but he wasn't of sane mind at all when he committed the absolutely horrible act. Tbh I'd point the finger at the people who originally diagnosed him and just let him go about his life without making sure that he learns what's going on and why he needs to take the meds and so on. Blaming people with mental health issues just makes it harder for them to go get help, because there's a lot of stigma if you hear voices or see things that aren't there. I've known a lot of people like that over the years, and it's so sad when they don't get treated properly. And yes, it is scary that there's some very violent people out there, but tbh I'd be more scared of the people that have control over their actions and they want to hurt people because they enjoy causing suffering and all that shit. Pretty good video otherwise though, I've seen videos of this case before, and I don't remember hearing about the man's childhood before.
When they released their monster into the public in Winnipeg, I protested most vehemently. I sent a few emails to all those pigs... and the politician threatened to sick the Mounties one me!
I saw the disturbing pictures of the head on the internet and they still haunt me to this day. Poor man. He was so handsome and seemed so nice... what a stupid loss that could be prevented if this man had just got the proper treatment he needed...
@@abebuckingham8198 It could have. He was diagnosed to have this illness way before and even found him roaming in the highway with clear signs. In my country by law someone like this is inmediately put into a hospital to be treated. I worked in a mental hospital and I have put medication on patients that refuse to take pills "cause they arent sick".. and improve. This clearly would have gotten him better mentaly and stay more stable and understanding to take medication. He would also be force to have legally meetings with a psychiatrist to evaluate his progress with power to put him back in an institution if needed or have him have a warrant if he fails to show to the appointment.
@@Alejojojo6 It can be difficult to tell the difference between schizophrenia and religiosity at times. In my experience people with religious delusions are skeptical of anything that would stop them from hallucinating because it's an accepted part of the religion. Having visions and hearing the voice of God are major themes in the Bible. The Book of Revelations reads like the ramblings of a schizophrenic too so you can see that the mentally ill were key members of the church in the past. It's only recently in human history that we've begun to see it as an illness and not a gift.
-DON’T COME FOR ME BC IM BEING HEARTFELT AND GENUINE- 🤣 I hesitated giving Danielle’s channel a serious chance because before I couldn’t stannnndddd British/UK accents. For no reason other than my own ears I suppose. BUT I was like, “ok one day I just gotta get over this I can do it.” ….. and now, Danielle is the reason I’m now FOND of the accent. I can actually watch other shows without getting irritated. So, thank you Danielle, for softening these ears of mine 😂❤
The police absolutely should be held liable for their inaction.
The fact that he deliberately chose not to take his meds after being diagnosed is enough to hold him accountable for his acts, because he chose not only to endanger himself, but the people around him
The problem with schizophrenia is that the person doesn't believe they are sick. They're delusions and hallucinations are so real to them, that it's like trying to convince everyone that the sky is not blue.
Refusing meds is totally normal. As a consequence, psych nurses like myself have a constant battle with said clients. It leads to alot of violence and aggression on wards where patients are locked up and can't understand that their delusions are all in the head and they need meds.
It's a genuine problem within the psych services.
Some have killed and upon taken medication and becoming well, have been devastated that they killed they're family to save the family from torture by the Mafia. Or they thought their beloved grandma was a demon.
Vince slipped through the net like many. But this went on far too long in this case.
However, I agree with danielle...he should be held accountable in court.
But this sounds like a genuine case of insanity unlike many who pretend they are insane to get off charges.
Vince should never have been discharged from the system though. That is negligence from the system.
It d be interesting to know if when he got "well" , how he felt about his crime.
@@leehuggett7831That's my thoughts on this - people don't get that what these people experience is REAL to them! If you hand someone meds and say 'the void of God is fake'...of course they're not going to take those meds! You're taking God from them! Why wouldn't they want to hear the voice of God?? Once regularly taking meds, they're coherent and can understand, but he should have been monitored in the first place.
@@christabelle__so oops Tim died.. tf yall get on my nerves making excuses for people.. lock his a s s up where he belongs PERIOD... and if they won't lock him up how about you volunteer and take his place... he was somebody && he definitely deserve justice no matter how they get it... this has really pisssd me off
It's easy to say this, but certain mental health disorders literally fight again treatment. It's hard to maintain medication and doctors appts especially when you've never steadily taken meds before for treatment of a disease of the brain.
@@Bianca-jf9hono one is arguing that this man should be free. A man died and that is horrible. It should have never happened, but you clearly do not understand that people like the killer aren't walking around with a sane mind or thought process
The fact that the police allowed Vince to desecrate Tim's body is absolutely disgusting and enrages me!!
As a visual gal, I cannot express enough how thankful I am that you put up each person’s picture literally every time you mention them. The little things are highly appreciated 🙏🏻😩
Agreed! Same here
Lmao okayyy🙄
Same 😊
Agree!
@@Bbydoll90
What the hell is so funny!?!?
I knew Tim and he was a good man, he didnt deserve what happened to him. May he rest in peace always!
😢🙏❤️
So extremely sad. My heart goes out to you, his family and friends.
Sorry for your loss. Do you have a story you could share about Tim that kind of shows who he was as a person? I always feel badly when the thing someone is most known for is how they died. Tell me how they lived!
I am so sorry for your loss and such a horrible way. He was a good man. Even the worst of men don't deserve this, and it's just atrocious that it happened to the one of the good ones like always
@Sharyn Facts I knew him in high school he was someone who made everyone feel welcome. He was extremely kind and caring. That is what I remember every time I see something on him.
I think this is one of the saddest stories you have told. Thank you for giving Tim the dignity the police did not afford him.
Sad indeed but also infuriating. The men on that bus were cowards and poor excuses of a human. They couldn't detain a man with a knife? Are you kidding me? Grown men on that bus, some with military experience, running out "scared" and letting this psycho finish Tim off. Sickening. Humans disgust me.
@@deaurasol exactly!! Cowards! Absolutely dispicable is the only word, I'm a tiny girl but there's no way I wouldn't try! I've done it before and I'd do it again I've got the scars to show. But coward men standing around doing nothing 😡😡😡🤬 they're just as bad
@@deaurasol Yea! When she said a Guy with Military Experience i was like Thank God!!! But then she Continues and im like yes sure as soon he overcomes the Shock he wil do something.....i left disapointed
It is pretty disgusting that those men were such cowards,, it's sickening and the police as well just watching this headcase do those disgusting things to Tim. I feel such a sadness in my heart for his family. I'm sending so much love ❤️ strength 💪 and prayers 🙏 for all his loved ones. And what's even crazier is this lunatic is out and about with zero supervision probably not taking his meds and our judicial system is so beyond fucked. Sorry for the curse word but that's truly how I feel and that's my opinion so don't come for me LOL 😆😊. Actually I don't know if it was in Canada where they did his whatever they did with him but even still our judicial system is just as bad as probably in Canada but it does make me wonder if it happened here what would have been done and if it would have been done differently
Lol I know for a fact you guys would be cowards as well if you were there. People who never went through it would "fantasies" of them being the hero to save Tim. They all went through a traumatic situation in which they will never forget. Do not blame the passengers.
This case was a tough one to digest. The no justice for the victim and the way the police did nothing to stop him from mutilating his body was all upsetting to hear.
This case always makes me sick to my stomach. There is literally NOTHING good to come out of this. No new laws, losing lawsuits, not even therapy offered to the passengers.
His name is now Will Baker, what’s horrible besides Tim’s death is the amount of people including RCMP have committed suicide due to PTSD…I live in Alberta and I remember when this happened, I honestly don’t think I can listen to this story knowing how graphic it is, I’m going to have to pass on this one and I love listening to you.
I feel so bad for Tim’s family, RIP Tim you didn’t deserve this 🦅
I too had to skip over the horrific things that Vince did. I could not listen to it.
I wouldn’t listen. I live in Oklahoma and hadn’t heard of this. I’m a special education teacher and deal with lots of trauma kids, have a medical background and took forensics classes in college and this one was hard for me to stomach. I’m definitely of the belief that prison isn’t the cure all that many Americans seem to think, but some people lose their freedom when the crime they commit is so heinous and I don’t see how this is not one of those cases.
@@jenimolloy6152 our justice system sucks in Canada, you can literally kill someone and be out in six years. You throw in mental health and you’re walking free like Will Baker, Tim and his family never got justice in the end.
@@jenimolloy6152then why do you actually watch true crime channel? just curious
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR TELLING US ABOUT THE VICTIM!!! To this day I have always wondered 'who it was' that was tortured on that bus - I remember it happening! It's like there was no coverage! I'm SO grateful for you telling Tims story and saying his name. It's absolutely heartbreaking on SOOO many levels. What a beautiful person Tim was, I'm glad he experienced a beautiful life while he was here. I'm absolutely mortified that they didn't break a window and tear gas the bus - it actually seems like they should be held accountable as accessories to the desecration of a corpse. A simple tear gas bomb. And WHY didn't they move the people away?!?!?!?! They HAD to know people aren't trained to handle seeing this stuff like they are. They should be held liable for the traumas these people endure; for not moving the crowd to the other side of the building or something. They were left in harms way as well. He broke a window and jumped out, what if he did that sooner? The death toll could've been MUCH higher. It's an absolute disgrace. I support the police but these guys FAILED so many people, so miserably. Again, thank you for saying Tim's name, that poor poor soul.😭
And that WAS the problem. They cared more about Li's safety after he was release than they EVER cared about Tim
I love how there are so many cases involving children where authorities do absolutely nothing to protect the child but here a child was taken away bc the mom got PTSD from something like this. There is so much about this case that is so messed up!
Vince may be suffering from schizophrenia, but what he did was monstrous and he is a monster. He should never have been let out of that psychiatric hospital, except to be sent to prison.
How horrifying. I’m so sorry for Tim and his family and friends.
They don’t send people who murder others in a state where they couldn’t fully control themselves. Prison would do no good for him at all, prison isn’t a last ditch forever thing. It’s for rehabilitation.
@@ahtaystamcauther9376 but is it really? Rehabilitation, the way prisons are run, is a fantasy. It’s a freaking fairytale. But no, this guy probably shouldn’t be in prison. He should, however, be in the psych ward for life. If he’s capable of this atrocity because he didn’t take meds then he’s not safe enough to be allowed around other people. It’s too much of a risk.
@@ahtaystamcauther9376 there are prison hospitals for the mentally insane and dangerous people. Some people cannot be rehabilitated, some people are monsters and this man is a monster.
What he DID while very sick with schizophrenia was monstrous but that does not make HIM a monster. Big difference!
@@robcc21 I disagree
As someone who hears voices in their head, I can understand his battle with them especially when you’re not on medication because they feel so *real* but I just cannot believe they’d diagnose him, tell him he needs to be medicated but then just…let him go? I can’t fathom how any respectful medical professional would just leave him go. The devastation that could’ve been avoided if people just did something. I just truly hope that Tim is resting peacefully, he nor anyone deserves the pain that Vince caused. I hope everyone involved who survived are doing okay and have managed to heal 😔 I hope to god that this never happens again. This story just proves how much more needs to be done to protect not just those with mental illnesses but those who are around those with mental illnesses.
This sickens me not only because I come from a family full of medical professionals who each take their jobs seriously, but also have an older brother with severe autism who has benefited and was able to live a good life due to proper medical treatment and people who care, which demonstrates what can happen when things go right. However, Vince was severely let down by the system and loved ones, which not only led to his mental downfall, but the endangerement of the other passengers and death of Tim. This event was 100% preventable if the people in Vince’s life (including the doctors and his family) had chosen to closely monitor his situation and make sure he stayed medicated.
Sadly it isn't shocking. People who are seriously mentally ill are released all the time.
I don't know about Canada , but the US mental health system is so broken and extremely underfunded. Psych hospitals are essentially forced to discharge people that shouldn't be to open up beds for people who have been waiting weeks or months in the ER for one. We once had to discharge a woman who clearly wasn't ready.... she ended up squatting in an abandoned house a block away for months. She survived only off apples that fell from a tree in the yard. When winter hit, the apples stopped falling. She starved to death and kept a journal the entire time. I think there is a documentary about it somewhere.
You can't force someone into an institution unless they've proven to be a danger to themselves or others, from what I understand. Like you can't hold them against their will and I don't think you can force medication on someone either. So I'm not sure what they could have done with just the diagnosis...up until that point he hadn't physically hurt anyone. He seemed to be alone, too, divorced and had no friends or anyone close around him. I am shocked though that no one called the police about his strange behaviour at the bus station during those 24hrs. Maybe they could have gotten him assessed first, and that could have prevented it? But it doesn't seem like anyone called
I agree that there should be more done for those like Vince. Unfortunately, at least in the US and Canada, if a doctor/hospital deems a patient cognizant enough to make their own decisions they cannot be forced to be treated. It sounds like Vince wasn't ready to accept treatment.
This case hits me so hard as someone who has schizophrenia, I was diagnosed at 18 after Months of struggling with Hallucinations voices and much more.
It broke me at first when I was diagnosed as I was so young.
But as I started taking my meds- things got so much better! The voices stopped the hallucinations stop - I still do get them from time to time but there are no where near as Bad as they were-
I know so many people are scared the meds will charge them and then do- but most of the time it’s for the better!!
So happy to hear that you were able to find a med that worked for you! I’ve only ever read about schizophrenia but it sounds like it can be truly terrifying. Major kudos to you for getting treatment 😊 I remember being really unnerved when I had to take my first antidepressant - it seemed so permanent to label myself as something so officially and then ingest something that could alter my brain…granted by now I’ve been diagnosed with major depressive disorder, anxiety disorder, borderline personality disorder..among others lol but it’s really scary at first and schizophrenia carries so much stigma. It’s really awesome that you were able to get past that and be proactive for your health and well-being ❤
Thank you for being brave enough to share your story. May your life continue to be nothing but good for you.
Good for you!
I’m a nurse and schizophrenia commonly appears in later teen years. As long as you take your medicine, which judging by your comment you take regularly and are pretty self aware, things will be fine.
I’m proud of you ❤
I didn’t go on meds for schizophrenia, but for BPD. I was SO AFRAID to start taking meds and even more so when I did and I noticed a change. I don’t react well to change and that change almost felt like I was losing a part of myself. It took some time to realize I was losing that part that wasn’t me and gaining back what BPD took from me.
Meds aren’t the devil. They shouldn’t be loosely prescribed, but they’re so helpful when they’re necessary 🖤
So ridiculous, it was HIS choose to not take his medication so he should have been held accountable.
May Tim rest in peace. My heart is so sad for this young man. May his family find peace, as well as all the additional victims.
Cud anyone find peace after witnessing such horrific acts? I doubt it
hey danielle. this happened in my province. currently vince/will lives in selkirk which is about a 45-min drive from winnipeg, our capital city. this is still discussed regularly as a source of controversy. most people here do NOT support the decision to let him have so much freedom. my father actually personally knew the officer who died by suicide due to the ptsd. very tragic story all around and definitely shocking to everyone around here. i was only 10 when it happened and still remember this making national news.
My heart goes out to you all.
@@truthseeker1954 thank you ❤️ we lost a great guy in tim
This is a story all Manitobans will never forget.
@@eringwizon3939 god yeah. it's just horrible. when i was in high school we had classmates from selkirk and asking them about vince li was like, a regular "joke". not a joke, more like a local "bogeyman" for a lack of better words. i mean schizophrenia is horrible, so horrible, cannot imagine how awful it would be to live with that condition but tim's family and their concerns are 100% valid
This is not true he is no longer in Selkirk at the mental health facility and has not been in years. He is free working in the Westman area.
I was friends with Tim and his death hit hard for lots of us.
As someone from Winnipeg, it’s amazing to hear this story told by someone in the UK. Tim’s story deserves to be known by everyone, and so does the fact that Vince walks free today - completely unsupervised with a very vague known whereabouts for the public 😢
To me it is horrifying that he is walking around with a new identity like nothing ever happened it totally blows my mind that they let him go with no supervision I can guarantee he's probably not taking his meds so God forbid it wouldn't surprise me if something like this happened again and I thought our judicial system was first well Canada seems to be way worse because I wonder if it took place here if things would have played out differently because then he needed to be locked in the Looney Bin forever or or prison and that's just my opinion
The supervision of his medication should have been implemented for life. Absolutely unreal 😢
Sounds about right for Canadian Justice.
@@DylanPWN yes, as this case came to symbolize, Canada has no idea what to do with violent mentally ill people.
WHAT 😮
How in the world would the police explain their inaction to Tim's family? I can't even imagine the horror of the witnesses, but my heart goes out to Tim's family and how horrifying it would be for them to know how the life of their family member ended and the degradation of his remains. Nope, never heard of this one. Not sure how I'll get over this one. Great eye makeup BTW. Thank you so much...
Royal Corrupt Malpractice Pigs? :-(
Exactly what I thought too!! Tims family should be able to win a lawsuit against the cops, how dare they just do nothing and allow Vince to further decicrate Tims remains, he was clearly a threat to anyone else he would have come in contact with, he needed to be dealt with then and there regardless that Tim was already deceased. It was like the cops decided "oh well let's let him get his crazies out and finish his business with the dead man" it shook me. So horrible and wrong on many levels. Police dropped the ball.
Are you guys serious...? Why are you all so mad at the cops? The bus was locked, there's a man inside who's clearly lost his mind, with a giant knife, do you really want the cops to risk their lives to save a dead person? Do you just not view the cops lives as valuable or what? Trying to stop a corpse from getting hurt is not nearly important enough to risk the lives of more people
@jonathanjrgensen6774 I definitely don't want the cops to get hurt. However in an attempt to speak for everyone who is upset with the cops, I think there's a few points to be made in that there was more than one cop, so that's several against one. They are trained to do this, take down an armed individual and he had a knife not a gun. They have devices to break open a door and they could have shot him with a tase gun immediately which are incredibly strong he would've fallen to the ground, then they could apprehend him further. That all could've taken seconds, while he was distracted. The thing is it doesn't matter that the guy was already dead, he's in there committing a crime, a vile one and the cops are present, cops are trained to stop people committing crimes and they could've done that, in this case the crime being committed further hurt the guys family so that is why everyone us speaking out against the cops. Point being they were trained to handle a dangerous guy and stop him further committing the crime he was doing and they didn't. It doesn't matter if the crime is just rummaging through someone's house, why do you think if the cops show up to a place being robbed and no one is in danger, they stop the guy, why? Well that's simple to stop him committing a crime. It's not typical for cops to stand around and say "oh well our lives are in dabger", their lives are in danger everyday they are trained to handle it in every situation even this one. So saying people just want the cops to get hurt is ignorant and said without thinking about hat the cops are trained to do and what they should have done, sorry I'm just presenting facts.
@@stephaniezini if cops show up at a house where a guy is robbing it, they surround the place and make him come out with his hands up, they don't just rush him?? - what would be the point in risking officers to go tackle the guy?? And no matter how trained they are for these situations, like the one in this case, it's still a risk to go confront a man with a knife, no matter the precautions you take. He can throw it, maybe he's in a state of mind that wouldn't care about the pain of the tasers, lots of things can happen. Even if there's a 1% chance of a cop getting hurt, it's not right to take that risk. And I'm sure it's not nice for the family to know their kids corpse got fucked up so bad, but its not as bad as what had already happened, their kid dying. Why risk another death? It sounds like you're saying cause officers risk their lives sometimes that they should keep doing it in every case, and not value their lives over a crime. I understand that they have to risk their lives for others lives, but not for something not life threatening, like in this case.
If your well enough to be let out on the street your well enough to be transferred to a prison
I remember this clearly and the rage from the public was palpable. There was no justice in this case and it's disgusting that this monster is roaming free.
How on earth can the Canadian government get behind this decision? The general public is literally at risk with this monster walking free. Is there any petition that we can sign? Any protest we can join or at least blast to SM? I do realize this was some time ago but it doesn't change the fact of how wrong and dangerous this decision really is. I'm an American but I'd still love to sign any petition of support for you guys up north if something could be done. In my humble opinion, he should be in an institution and the key thrown away. To leave him to his own devices in choosing to take his meds every day is terrifying knowing what he was capable of, and not knowing when "God" will tell him to strike again.
I can handle a lot but this story put me a little bit over the edge of what I can actually handle. I unfortunately have a really vivid imagination for good or bad so when Danielle is telling this story, my a*shole brain is throwing me these horrible, horrible violent mental pictures as this nightmare of a story goes on getting worse by the minute. My God, poor Tim!! I also cannot even begin to understand the mental anguish and horror those passengers went through.
I actually do have PTSD from something that happened years back. It was pretty severe and my brain actually to this day blocks out some of the attack as a form of keeping me safe because it was too much to handle in that moment. I think the counselor called it disassociation. I can recall most of what happened with a few blanks that I know now corresponded with the worst of it. I would bet my next paycheck that some of these passengers may be going down this same road and if so, I am just so sorry for them.
The knife part + the unfettered sudden violence on an innocent person he had cornered has triggered me a bit right now and I don't think I've ever said that about a YT video, much less even claimed to be 'triggered'. Yeah, I'm not doing so good right now.
Most importantly, RIP Tim. The poor guy didn't deserve this. He seems like he would have been a fun and interesting person to hang out with.
I never knew this story but hearing it from this video makes me so mad.
Lisa, he's not a monster. He's a man living with schizophrenia. He has since expressed deep regrets.
@@samr1013 He made the conscious decision to stop taking his meds. He was warned of what could happen if he stopped taking them. That conscious decision led to this. He is fully responsible for what happened and he is a monster.
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That’s not how schizophrenia works!! You can’t be held accountable to “just take your meds” lmao. They’re not in their right mind!!! Even when they do take their meds they still hallucinate sometimes and their hallucinations are just as real as anything else in the world to them. Just as real as the doctor telling them to take their meds. Their hallucinations are just as real and telling them not to. They do not understand reality! Their brains are fucking broken.
I’m so sick of all the comments on here like this. My mom was schizophrenic and the only reason she took her meds is because we were there every day to make sure she did. & even then she still had hallucinations & every few years her meds would completely stop working & we’d have to get her back into the psych ward to recalibrate her dosages or switch to new meds altogether. Without a STRONG and VIGILANT support system no schizophrenic person will ever stay on their meds. Their delusions always tell them not to take them, that they’re not crazy and that what they hear and see is real. Y’all clearly have zero personal experience with schizophrenics.
A girl I worked with was on that bus. If I remember correctly he actually sat beside her before he moved and went on to do what he did. Needless to say she was off work for a while and had to go to therapy. It was horrifying finding out something like this happened & that your friend was on the bus. I can't even imagine what they all went through.
I can’t fathom it
As a Canadian I think this is one of the most well known cases that happened more recently, but after listening I realized I definitely did not know the whole story. For one I feel like a lot of people thought he used a machete instead cause that’s how I was always told how it happened
Yeah there was basically no coverage beyond “the victim was beheaded”
The way the mother acted before knowing it was her son… gives me chills. So sad :(
This is one of the cases you have covered that I am more familiar with as I am a Canadian. My feelings are that as Vince had a diagnosis, and made the decision to not treat himself for his diagnosis, the concept of “cannot be held responsible, or didn’t know what he was doing” should be off the table. He made the decision to allow himself to become dangerous while he was still in control of his actions. The moment he chose to end his medications was the moment he accepted full culpability for anything he did going forward.
Exactly. Therefore he should be accountable for his actions. He should be in the prison for the criminally insane, which he is.
@@JesusismyRock773 Last I heard he was out and about. New identity and such. I think the video touched on that.
i don’t think he should’ve ever been released but don’t agree with being accountable the same way a sane person is. one of the symptoms of schizophrenia is paranoia and a lack of insight. as someone who has family and friends family members with this condition, it’s almost impossible if not possible to convince a schizophrenic that they’re schizophrenic. secondly, they almost always think their medications are some sort of poison, and you have to put it in teas, candies, etc to give it to them. the fact that he was left unsupervised by family or medical professionals (who to be fair can only do so much, i’ve had to call on psychotic episodes and most of the time you can’t get someone admitted legally if they refuse and at that present time present no danger), is the biggest issue here. there has to be a way to get people admitted before they become a present risk. but again someone with schizophrenia is never going to willingly admit themselves, take their medications, they believe in why they’re hearing is real and that they’re not sick , they don’t have insight.
I re read your response and I think I misinterpreted it the first time. I believe you are saying he SHOULD be in an institution for the criminally insane because he IS criminally insane. My first interpretation was that you believed he was institutionalized currently. My mistake and my apologies.
I just commented something similar and have now seen your comment. You say it far better than I did 😂
I think what I find most frustrating is that there were many chances to stop him and keep him under hospital care as he was a danger to himself and others and he was against taking his medications. This case has always been super frustrating to watch
Agree totally! He starts acting bizarrely and eating only potatoes and his wife does nothing? How many times was he seen with behaviors indicating there were problems and no one did anything? I don't understand. SMH. Now he's free and no one knows if he'll continue medical treatment that, had he taken meds as prescribed starting 4-years earlier, this wouldn't have happened. 😢💔 May everyone involved in this case have peace and comfort 🙏🕊️.
Ikr? A doctor in 2004 should have been informed enough to know that a person with schizophrenia who’s in psychosis isn’t just gonna go “oh, it’s all just a delusion, I’ll just take my meds and get better”. Everything about his reality, how he was experiencing himself and the world around him, was giving him false information. The dude needed serious care to get back out of the reality break by that point. It probably wouldn’t have even taken that long.
This kind of thing is a prime example of systemic failure in the medical industry…what happened to him is worse than “medical limbo”. It should be criminal negligence imo.
I can't imagine Tim's massive regret and pain in that moment, thinking maybe I should have accepted the offer for the plane ticket. But maybe the plane could have crushed. We never know. Only God keeps us safe. I can't imagine his pain💔
@@Princess_Orla I doubt it ever occurred to him. He was busy trying to save his own life
@@wildersystem agreed! Like who talks to a patient who is in the deep end and be like “ok you are responsible for yourself and take your meds” like what! It’s like telling a suicide patient to take care and don’t do it again w/o putting them in watch or having them being seen by a specialist and be cleared. Like this person has voices telling him what to do and you expect him to listen to someone else? Nah, they should have taken responsibility, have him get treated, evaluated and then cleared once he was rehabilitated or something. But nope, they should have been sued
I truly love how you give a minute to remember each victim. Each case is sad and the way you honor them at the end Is Inspiring and I think that's why each video you do sticks with me
Amen!
This whole case is sickening, My heart breaks for Tim, his family, loved ones and all those effected by this horrific event🖤
He made the choice not to take his medication, yes he was very ill but he should be held accountable for murder. My heart breaks for both families 💔
I have a feeling you've never met anyone with severe mental illness. Honestly, I hope you never ever do, but if you do you'll see just how impossible it is to get them to stay medicated.
@Laura Mai then he needs to be kept somewhere under supervision. You can't have it both ways where you say they can't be held responsible for what they do but then they can't be held responsible for not taking their meds. He needs to be held in a hospital indefinitely.
Why should everyone around him be in constant danger because he can't be trusted to take his meds and not start mutilating people?!
@@LNGamble I never said otherwise
@@LNGamble agreed.
Not taking meds wasn't a "choice" he made. The disease made that decision for him. I don't believe he should be unsupervised but it's not as straightforward as you seem to think.
Time for my sunday routine of watching danielle kirsty
Me too !
Me too.too❤
Me 3 🤗
@@pinkpixie6917 hahaha 😆 🤣
Samee ❤️❤️
Welcome to Canada where the police and the law don’t care about the victims. Time and time again they’ve shown they don’t care.
My heart goes out to Tim, his family and all the passengers on that Greyhound bus.
I’ve seen first hand how horrific schizophrenia is . As much as this is terrible, I think it needs to be a law that medication is court ordered.
This is one of those cases that has lived rent free in my head since I first heard it. Seriously, haunting is the best way to describe it.
RIP Tim and thank you for covering it! I'm always surprised at how few people have.
Haunting I agree is probably the most accurate description! Chilled me to my very core when I first learned of it, so I can't imagine how traumatised all the witnesses to this tragedy feel not to mention Tim's loved ones. So sad
This case has left me a little nervous when it comes to public transportation because you just never know who comes on a bus and whether or not you were going to make it to your stop safely. I’ve heard of this story from other UA-camrs, but I didn’t know he was actually sent to a hospital and given medication for schizophrenia. I also love the extra information on Vince’s background because I never knew a lot of these things beforehand.
Women aren't even allowed to carry pepper spray in Canada 😬
Public transport is actually about the safest way to travel. Don’t fear these odd occurrences-they make headlines cuz they are so unlikely
@@e_i_e_i_bro What?!?! That’s crazy!
Yup especially lately in Chicago where I live it's gotten so bad on public transportation that my job has started paying for Lyft to and from work from 6pm to 6am everyday. But even during the day it's scary everything from people getting attacked, sexually assaulted, drug use, etc. I will not go out especially on the trains without at least a knife and pepper spray (currently working on a conceal carry permit).
Before moving to Ireland, I had never taken the bus as a form of transport. Now I take it every day to get to and from college and ever since hearing about this case, i get so paranoid
Takes a lot to make me cry. Seeing how his family got no justice, the witness victims got nothing as well, and then the woman with PTSD losing her baby… brought tears to my eyes as someone who has ptsd
I’m Canadian and this story changed the way I travel for sure. Still to this day. RIP Tim. 😢
This is why you're my favorite true crime channel: I watched a podcast covering this case and they completely left out the fact he was already diagnosed with schizophrenia before this crime occurred. Your research is always more indepth than anyone else I watch. It makes it all the more horrific for me they let him free and held him unaccountable.
Thank you for all of your hard work!
Yes! I heard this awhile ago and they made it out that he had a psychotic break due to divorce!
I agree with you 💯 they let this lunatic out without supervision and probably not taking meds so it would not surprise me if something like this happened again our judicial system is beyond fucked sorry for the language but this is just how I feel. I think it happened in Canada where they did what they did with him so I wonder if it was here if things would have turned out differently but our Judicial System here is wack and it's just as wack in Canada maybe even worse
@@rachelrae860 how about you don't call people lunatics lol. i'm gonna assume you've never dealt with being diagnosed with a mental illness because it's scary as hell to go through that process and sometimes it is very hard to accept/actually take medication. every med i've been prescribed as made me worse (suicidal) so i stopped taking them and now i just have to deal with shit without them, and it's pretty hard. this is obviously a very different thing but that doesn't give you an excuse to be ableist
@user-ht1jb4wm9c I'm sorry you have to go through this but it's my opinion and I could have said a lot worse but I didn't and I'm not sure what you mean by it doesn't give me a right to be an abeliest? And you can't assume I've never been diagnosed with a mental illness cause I have and if God forbid I did something like that people could call me whatever they want because in my opinion he acted like a lunatic and again it's my opinion and we all have one but at the end of the day it doesn't mean we don't have to agree with one another. We can have different opinions and it be okay. Again this is in my eyes and if you wanna be mean or nasty about it then I'm sorry. I meant no harm to anyone,, just my opinion and I hope you can understand where I'm coming from. If not Again I'm sorry and I do wish you well 🌻
I don't remember where or when, but I have heard this case before. Schizophrenia, is a disorder that affects a person's ability to think, feel, and behave clearly. It also involves delusions (false beliefs), hallucinations (seeing or hearing things that don't exist), unusual physical behavior, and disorganized thinking and speech. It is common for people with schizophrenia to have paranoid thoughts or hear voices. When someone has this disorder, they must be supervised bc many of them don't want to take their meds, or think they don't need them. If any Dr diagnoses someone and puts them on medication, I believe they have an obligation to maintain a Dr/patient relationship to insure that the meds are taken.
Do we know for sure that Vince is not doing that or are we assuming because he is unsupervised? Who knows maybe he has a therapist or regular follow ups but that info probably can't be shared because of privacy laws.
@@changemymind06 Nope we don't, but if you read what I said you'd realize I didn't say anything about him specifically. I said that it's common for ppl who are schizophrenic to not continue their meds either bc they don't think they need them, they don't like the way they make them feel, or the voices tell them a vast array of things about the meds and what they are "really doing."
It doesn't affect every person the same way just like any other illness. Treatment varies depending on symptoms which may or may not include medication.
Exactly!!
He should've went to prison for that alone. That's negligent homicide
@@changemymind06 nobody has ANY idea how he is, if he got care. He was given a new identity and let loose on the world
Bus cases are always the most brutal. I mean, what do you do in that situation?
Sure in the impossible chance of a fire on the bus, or even a more common occurance like a sinking bus, they have unlockable windows and a roof hatch.
But, what do you do on a hostage bus? Nothing. Most bus seats aren't big enough to crawl under or behind, there's no weapon to defend yourself, your completely trapped.
I don't have any ideas, but there's gotta be SOME solution out there to help keep buses safer in hostage situations, especially with the concerning rise of them.
This case is just a tragedy, and although I know it lead to Greyhound Buses being shutdown, it sadly changed very little, when it should have changed the world. Rest in peace and bless all the victims affected 🕊️
I’m from Brandon MB (2 hrs away from Winnipeg) and I can say that this absolutely rocked our community. With us being such a small community it was hard to find someone who wasn’t affected by this.
Selkirk here. Having him in town bothered a lot of residents. The psych team here is top notch though.
@milkweedsage They can't be top notch if they let this guy loose! For years he didn't take medication, kills someone, he spends some time in the hospital and then he is set free? What if he does it again?
@user-ue3ep7uz1k he has no reason NOT to take his meds (no bad side effects) and every reason to be compliant. He knows what's at stake. He's got lifetime monitoring. You might be afraid of him but I'm not.
Rip Tim. I was sad to hear his son will grow up without him, but on a positive note, Tim lives through him and in a way, Tim's mother has a piece of him left. I hope all the victims will find peace and be able to heal from this horror. As always, your extensive research and empathy are much appreciated. Unfortunately, I don't know if medication would have helped without constant monitoring. My friend's son has Schizophrenia and the problem is, once they start to feel better, they often stop taking their meds. With his father's constant supervision, he seems to be ok. Unfortunately, they can't be monitored constantly.
And sadly they can’t be trusted…it’s the same with bipolar people think the are ok stop taking meds then have manic episodes. If people could be trusted to take their meds it wouldn’t be such a problem but they don’t ! I have found through people I know of who have had both of these mental health issues they have ALL stopped taking meds, no matter their age or lifestyle. I know one said to me I will never be like my mum but of course she has done exactly the same thing. The thing is they change to completely different people and seem to have super human abilities in distances they walk to the crazy things they do, it’s so scary.
This guy should have been sent to jail he still killed an innocent young man, he clearly denies he has any health issues he should be kept locked up either in jail or mental hospital. Heck they could always deport him back to China and red flag him so he’s not allowed in any country except China where he came from. Why should the people of Canada or anywhere else be subjected to this clearly crazy individual who can’t be trusted to take his med’s. Who knows what the heck he’s done since.
Be at peace Tim, so sorry you were brutalised by this crazy psycho you didn’t deserve it. 🕊️🕊️🕊️💔🙏🏻
This is the case for a lot of mental illnesses, my bipolar sister recently stopped her meds too because she thought she was better. People need to realise that the reason you feel better is *because* of the meds! I'm definitely scared that Vince will stop his, and I can't wait for the impending hullabaloo with my sister 😮💨
Exactly true! It's pure hell.
@lauraanderson8785 that is exactly how I feel they let this lunatic go with no supervision and I can guarantee he's probably not taking meds because he's not being monitored and it wouldn't surprise me if God forbid something like this happened again and our judicial system is beyond fucked I just don't understand how they could have let him go he needed to pay for what he did to Tim and his family and this is probably one of the most grotesque heinous and depraved case that I've ever heard. I was just realizing that it took place in Canada and I guess their system is just as broken or if not worse than ours and I really wonder if it happened here if things would have played out differently
Y’all please don’t use mental illnesses as an adjective. Instead use “person with”. Using it as an adjective reduces us to our illness when we’re so much more.
Did they really just put the other passengers in another Greyhound bus and let them go with their lives, just like that, as if nothing happened? I mean, I would be SO traumatised that I'd never take a bus ever in my life... I can't imagine the PTSD they must have all had. This case is truly disgusting, making me sick to my stomach. How can the world be so crazy??? That frightens me so much. Thanks for covering this case, for Tim and the brave men that tried their best to help him.
They had to based on the location to get then to Winnipeg to get help and treatment.
What are they supposed to do?
Set up a mental hospital on the side of the road?
Did you watch the video? They went to the police station first, we’re gotten clothes and a hotel first
I too, believe, that the police should've paid for some kind of taxi for the victims to avoid them being in the same situation, in a bus, locked, full of strangers. This probably was a horror to everyone there and given the short time that had happened it's likely that their PTSD got worse after having to travel again in such despair... There was no kind of justice to anyone here.
@@ninaninapasadena5687 it's fine to disagree, I was just giving my opinion :)
schizophrenia is not an excuse for what this man did... but man, it is a horrible condition. Watched a good friend become a stranger over a handful of months.
I can't believe I'd never heard of this one. Frankly, I'm glad I didn't hear about it before I took a greyhound bus with my 18 year old daughter from Georgia to Arkansas in October. It was terrifying enough to be on constant high alert.
Thank you for the way you deliver these stories. What a horrific way to die, and to witness! Just awful.
anyone else noticed how danielle always matches her nails to her look? commitment to the cause, i see you girl 💅🏼
Yes I have. You go girl ❤️.
I always look to see what color her nail polish is since she always matches her eye shadow color to her nail color. I wondered if I was the only 1 who noticed & appreciated this little fact. Lol. Glad I'm not the only 1 to find enjoyment to Danielle's dedication to the little details.
Haha yeah, I noticed right away when I first discovered her! =)
Of course
Most of y’all have been following her longer than me but I watched a video and she mentioned that viewers loved it when she matched her nails and shadow, so now she does it for all of us ❤
He should be in jail, for life. Thank you for telling these stories with the respect they deserve. My heart goes out to Tim & his family. I hope his mam is able to find some comfort in raising her grandson ❤
This case has always infuriated me. When it happened, the entire country was horrified and outraged, and it just amplified when he was released. To think that a man as depraved as this has been allowed to be set free is disgusting. He refused to take his medication once and his irresponsible actions resulted in the end of a beautiful soul; who's to say he won't stop taking it again? I absolutely agree that he should've received the psychiatric help he needed. However, at the end of the day, he still committed one of the most grotesque murders I have ever heard of. He should be in prison for life, and the fact that he is now free to walk around terrifies me
That’s not how schizophrenia works at all.
It’s not that he was depraved and refused them. It’s that he was incredibly ill and truly, 100% believed he was not schizophrenic and didn’t need them.
That’s what schizophrenia does. It makes you distrustful and delusional in your thought. It doesn’t matter if 1000 doctors say you’re schizophrenic. If you say you’re not, you’re not. That’s the mindset.
He shouldn’t have been locked up in a prison. He shouldn’t have been released either. He should’ve been helped psychologically.
I do wish people attempted to understand schizophrenia.
This makes me cry every time. I can't understand what the hell was going on in that man's head. 😢
This case shook all of Canada. I live in BC and I remember the fear it struck... which only worsened when Vince was released. Between that and Karla Homolka, we really have released some of the worst and most dangerous out to be free in society. RIP Tim, I hope his son knows how wonderful his father seems and I hope that Tim's family is finding peace in having some of Tim still with them via his child.
Right!?! I am embarrassed those two are out living amongst us hard working Canadians. I have zero faith in our Canadian government 😢
Karla was working with kids at a private school in Quebec!
@@kittys-edits819 WOW. Just WOW.
@@kittys-edits819 Thats terrifying!!
@@kittys-edits819 I’m pretty sure she still is working in school with children. Not to mention she was at a girls only school. Absolutely terrifying.
I know alot of ppl say it but I'll repeat it, I LOVE LOVE LOVE that you spend so much time focusing on the victims, tim sounds fucking awesome and it brought a big smile to my face when you talked about him, despite knowing his future. He deserves to be remembered.
This was so preventable. The hospital should not have let him out initially with that diagnosis and no one to monitor his medication.
I'm going thru your videos and I do want to say I love the detail you put into describing these cases. I wouldn't normally comment, but this one hit really close to home. My mother has schizophrenia and all the symptoms you described is definitely what she experiences. She's luckily still in treatment, but the path to get that treatment was (and still has been) extremely difficult.
If Vince had gotten an ounce of that help, if anyone in authority had stepped up, none of this would have happened. People with severe mental health are rarely treated to the standards they need. It's a huge problem in our society that I really wish was better.
My heart goes out to Tim's family. This entire case was absolutely horrific and could have been avoided. I hope his family has been able to cope and grieve in a healthy way. None of them deserved this.
You have no idea how this has affected us Canadian OMG!!!!
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Thank you for covering this for Tim ❤
Oh I remember Meg. I believe the country was in horror disbelief
It was horrifying and incomprehensible. I was iffy about watching this video because I still to this day can't believe something so horrible happened, especially to someone who sounds like a great dude. I think I'm sorry I watched it.
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@@trinacostar7772 Trina, put the comma in the right place because I was trying to figure out for a minute who Meg was who you remembered...
@@VB-lc4xz sorry sticky fingers
I live in Ontario and hearing of this horrible story shook and terrified us all. Thank you for covering this Danielle.
i love listening to you while working in homeoffice..its meanwhile like sitting with a good friend hearing incredible (horrible) stories ..and i really love your empathy while telling them
Binging all of Danielle's vids! I knew about this case and it is one of the most heartbreaking for sure. Something that always bothers me is why didn't the passengers try help?? Like do something, do anything! Imagine being attacked like this on public transport and watching everyone just flee instead of helping you, it sounds like a nightmare. It's no wonder they are traumatised, I don't know how I would sleep either knowing I watched someone get killed and did absolutely nothing to help
I watch true crime videos every night before bed and I’m fine with it but hearing this case has seriously made me uneasy. Rest in peace Tim, it’s truly awful what happened to him 😔 Thank you Danielle for being so respectful in telling us about this case ❤
I remember this case, it was on the news here in the US. I actually took a greyhound after this and they were searching the carry-on bags for weapons and glass because of this. It was very sad what happened to him and his family may he rest in peace and his family never forgets to celebrate his life
It pisses me off that the military Canadian man stood there and did nothing while he watched someone get murdered 😤
I’ve heard of this story before, but I had no idea the details you’ve told here. Thank you, Danielle!! You truly are incredible!! And so compassionate which I love also!!!!
This case traumatised me when I first heard of it (not long after it happened) and I didn't realise just how much it still hits me 😞 Tim was such a beautiful soul and because one selfish man refused to accept his illness he lost his life and the ability to watch his baby boy come into the world and grow up! The fact he was released made me so so angry! One of my closest friends actually didn't live too far from where Vince was living with Anna and it really affected him when this happened too, my heart goes out to all the passengers on that bus who had to witness this horror scene and shame on the police for literally not giving a s**t about Tim! But most of all my heart breaks for Tim's family, friends and his Son who will never meet his amazing Daddy. Sleep Peacefully Tim 😇❤️🌹
I think both men that went on the bus at first would have been able to take him down but they were cowards just like the fucking police like how can you stand outside this bus and watch with this lunatic did to poor Tim it makes me sick to my stomach 🤮
.."and because one selfish man refused to accept his illness" -
I'm suprised there seems to still be some many people unaware of paranoid schizophrenia.
In general, paranoid schizophrenics are not sick, theres nothing wrong with them, there is everything wrong with everyone else who claims that they are sick and need medicine.
Try working or dealing with someone who suffers from the illness before you comment. In Vince's case he was far from selfish, he was trying to save a bus load of people from a demon.
"One of my closest friends actually didn't live too far from where Vince was living with Anna and it really affected him when this happened too"
So..he was affected because he lived 'not too far' from where Vince no longer lived with Anna..but he didnt know or meet vince.or anna..or tim..but he did live in Canada.
@@rachelrae860 I wouldn't say they were cowards because they did more than the police did, and in a situation like that they were brave to even attempt stopping him, unfortunately they likely would have been really hurt or killed too because when someone with severe schizophrenia goes into that state they become machine like and don't feel anything.
@englishrose8013 that's your opinion and we all have one,,I just don't agree with yours but at the end of the day we can still get along 🤗. We don't have to agree with each other but that's what makes us all different. I hope you have a good night 🌻
@@rachelrae860 oh absolutely ❤️ everyone is entitled to their opinion and I can 100% see why you feel the way you do 😊 take care beautiful 🌹❤️
THAT'S VERY DISTURBING THAT HE WAS EVER RELEASED UNSUPERVISED...JUSTICE FOR TIM PLEASE 🙏🏽🥺❤️ AND A FATHER... I AM SO HEARTBROKEN BEHIND THIS ONE.
Danielle, please consider this case from Northern British Columbia - Cody Legebokoff is one of Canada's youngest serial killers.
He lived a double-life, everyone thought he was this normal, charming guy from a good family, but secretly he'd murdered several local sex workers and was only caught and apprehended after murdering one of my, at the time, 9th grade classmates, down a backroad only a few KM from my house. It shook every community in the area. It would be a great opportunity to tie in talking about the Highway of Tears.
The HoT is something that grips Northern BC, a connection spanning 50+ years of mostly unsolved murders and disappearances, majority of which were indigenous women. It's impossible to drive through the area without seeing Madison Scott's Missing billboards. I have personal connections to several of the women on the HoT list and it's frustrating/baffling to me how little the HoT is talked about in true crime.
This case is so horrifying! There's absolutely no reason the killer should be walking free. It makes no sense. A grave injustice! I'm so angry at how this case was handled so I can only imagine how Tim's family must feel. May his poor soul rest in peace.
He's free because he's no longer insane and as long as he takes his meds he won't have any more hallucinations, tragic for the victims family
The reason was clearly insanity why are you so cruel? He needs rehabilitation, therapy and to be meds and have guidance.
I live close to Edmonton and this story rattled the whole country. Heartbreaking. Thank you for covering and giving Tim respect. Love, us Albertans
I have heard of this case before, but you are the first one to have actual video of Tim included. It is so incredibly heartbreaking and terrifying what happened to him. Hearing that his mother prayed for the victim's family, not knowing it was her own son, brought tears to my eyes. I can't even imagine the grief.
Amplifying the grief, horror, and shock for MOST Canadians is that this crazy violent nutcase is walking around freely in Canada with a new identity! IF they didn't punish him with a life sentence then at least they should have shipped him back to China! [NO I'm not racist, I just think crazy people who commit such violent crimes shouldn't be allowed to be free]
SAME, I’ve never seen the Tim video.
Danielle you’ve told this story beautifully, despite the horrific details! 🥰☹️The tribute to Tim, very apt! 💫 Insane video! Thank you 🌸
I just have to say I’ve listened to multiple people tell this case and this is by far the best one I’ve heard so far. Extra info, really getting to know both the victim and the perpetrator, and just altogether told so well, seriously brought tears to my eyes twice. Really scary that this guys has a new name and just gets to be free :/
How heartbreaking!! Tim's poor family. My husband was killed 3.9 yrs ago. Just the thoughts of how horrific his death was was so traumatic. I can't imagine the thoughts that go through his family's minds, nor the poor souls who witnessed this horror. I'm so sorry Tim's loved ones have nothing to cremate or bury. The fact that the police didn't stop the guy and watched him desecrate Tim's body is just awful.
Thank you for doing what you do. We all look forward to seeing you every Sunday. I so appreciate the time you take to be so thorough. As a relatively new widow, you have no idea how much your work helped me along the way... and still did today.
Take care and be safe.
Xo
Ugh poor Tim and his family 😢and the passengers on the bus. How awful to experience that. How horrifying that Vince was released. I’d be terrified that he could stop taking his meds. Your coverage of these cases is so thorough and compassionate. Thanks for all you do ❤
That's the exact comments that I have been leaving it would not surprise me if he stopped taking his meds since he is not under any type of supervision and God forbid something like this could totally happen again and I kept saying that our judicial system is fucked but it seems Canada is just as bad if not worse and I wonder if it played out here if it would have been done differently because that lunatic should have had to pay for what he did to Tim because that was the most grotesque depraved and heinous crime that I have probably ever heard
Tim was so handsome. And he left this world in such a traumatic way. This story could have been prevented if this man had gotten the help he needed. It's just awful all around and so scary.
Tim is a wonderful person he was in the wrong place at the wrong time!! This case is horrific, and very very sad!! Cris,and Garnet are awesome!! Vince is one of the craziest people I’ve ever heard of!! Vince should have never ever ,got out of mental hospital,or prison!! Thanks Danielle for this wild case ❤❤❤❤❤
Tim comes to my mind more often than any other victim. He seemed like a great guy and the hell he went through was just so unneccessary and preventable. This case has affected me more than any other case I've heard of. Thinking about his family finding out the way they lost Tim brings tears to my eyes. Rest well Tim, you should still be here ❤
This was truly a heartbreaking case! I’m from Canada, and think of this often. Definitely brings up some interesting controversial conversations due to the mental health aspect. Thanks for bringing attention to this case Danielle ❤️ seeing your videos pop up always make my sundays!
I'm not even halfway through, and my heart is breaking at how Tim had the opportunity to not be at the wrong place at the wrong time, but he had no idea. He just wanted adventure, and that led to this. This is so sad.
As a winnipeger myself I find it incredibly stupid and scary that he is now able to walk the streets of my city as a normal person.
I hate wearing makeup and haven’t worn it in 10 years, but watching you makes me want to try wearing it again.
Random violence is hard to grasp. This is the third time I watch a video about it, and I love the way you narrated both men's path towards the final denouement. It is baffling that mental health treatment and follow up (especially follow up) is so underrated.
You used "denouement" in a sentence. I know nothing else about you, but I still think you're awesome.
@@mimiadams247 thank you Mimi
As a Canadian, it terrifies me to know that this guy's walking around free. Gotta love our lenient "justice" system.
i HATE when people say "there's no need for sunglasses so that's STRANGE and SUSPICIOUS""
my dad wears sunglasses even at night because he has light triggered migraines
people have accused him of all sorts of stuff, especially being on drugs
but no, he just doesn't want to get a serious migraine at the grocery store or when he sees a cop car flashing in his face, which makes him have to pull over AND SLEEP ON THE SIDE OF THE ROAD until he's able to drive home or to a hotel or something - it's a serious safety hazard if he can't wear them when he wants to
blind people often wear them too
i've worn sunglasses inside in stores and stuff because sometimes i get an allergic reaction that makes my eyes all red and puffy (i'm allergic to basically everything outdoors)
other stuff is suspicious in this case obviously but sunglasses help people exist in the world, as an accessibility aid like regular glasses for people with bad vision
please don't continue to spread this stigma of "people wearing sunglasses inside/when they're not "needed (read-i specifically wouldn't wear sunglasses in this way, so nobody needs to because my experiences are universal)" are weird and suspicious"
most of the time they're just people trying to go about their daily life 😩
same as like, autistic and Deaf people wearing headphones out in public
autistic people because sensory overload with lots of sounds, Deaf people often so people don't assume they can hear them and get angry for the Deaf person ignoring them (yeah that's because they didn't hear you... easier for hearing people to get it if someone is wearing headphones 🙄)
Shooooo kudos to his parents. If my son’s killer was walking around free he wouldn’t be doing it for long! I pray they find peace and happiness since that is what Tim would want for them ❤️
Agree 💯%
@@rachelrae860 Exactly.
Agreed. He'd need to start running
I remember when this happened, and I'll never forget. Absolutely horrific.
I struggle with the idea of punishing a person who had a major mental break because of something like schizophrenia. The system is so broken. You can't tell someone who's severely schizophrenic that they have a major mental disorder then send them on their way to manage it themselves. The system is responsible for not getting him the treatment he needed at initial diagnosis, imo.
He refused to take his medication. In most jurisdictions here in the US, someone who refuses to take their meds and commits a crime are held legally responsible. I think that's the correct call.
even then, he should’ve at least been in a mental institution for the rest of his life.
@@ShannonR1969 The US system is flawed as well. A person such as Vince Li doesn't believe the voices he's hearing aren't real. How can you expect a person who believes his psychosis isn't really psychosis to take medication?
@@futuredisneystar2 never said otherwise. I'm referring to prison time and punishment.
@@ShannonR1969 It’s definitely a crime, but people with mental illnesses such as Schizophrenia often believe they aren’t ill and that medication is a governmental ploy to control them as part of their delusions. In the U.K., if you refuse to take your medication, there are things such as a Depot, where the medical professionals give you an injection every month which you have to attend or else you’ll be sectioned. The doctors shouldn’t have just let him go.
you should check out the kim sungjae case from 1995! he was found dead/murdered in his hotel room the day after his solo debut performance. he was covered in needle marks and they found animal anesthesia in his blood. everyone believes it was his girlfriend who murdered him bc she bought the anesthesia but wasn't charged with his death bc lack of evidence, it's a really interesting case! it's considered one of the most mysterious cases in the korean music industry
I saw the title for this and I groaned.
Having heard this story before I was loathe to visit it again. It makes me sob for Tim and his family.
But at the same time I want to be supportive to you, Danielle, so I knew I had to watch it.
And I did two days later playing a game on my phone so I wouldn’t pay close attention to it. But when you mentioned Tim’s mom being at work I started to sob again. ( I’m doing it again as I type this because I just cannot fathom the level of shock and pain …
It scares me that Vince is out there free. I have a sister that’s much like her. She had a great job and home and a daughter. But she had also been diagnosed with bi polar paranoid ( or something to that extent). Well she decided to go off her meds and she went downhill quickly.
Now she jumps around from womens shelter to womens shelter all across America and leaves as soon as she perceives someone works for the government ( they never are) because she is sure the government thinks she’s a Russian spy.
Her daughter has a beautiful son but my sister never sees him because of her paranoia.
And she gets worse because she will not take meds.
How can that woman with ptsd lose her child? That’s insane to me! As a person with PTSD and a mother that is the scariest thing I’ve ever heard.
I can sympathise with you on this. I have CPTSD and after I had my son I just lied when they asked me mental health questions because I was scared that my son might be taken off me. I've had depression and anxiety my whole life. My son is diagnosed autistic and I'm now being assessed for autism and ADHD.
i understand you but in some cases people with were suvere ptsd the person can’t take care of themselves because of the suvere trauma and maybe she could not take care of her child. it’s so terrible
You aren't so debilitated by your PTSD that you feel you can be a decent parent, some people unfortunately are not in the same boat.
What is best for the child is the most important thing here people.
I think a child being raised by someone who could be inadvertently doing damage because they are struggling so hard mentally is more scary than that person having their child taken from them.
Hello 👋 I’m autistic and have adhd ( audhd). Welcome to the club 😁
I have it too. But I can admit that there are limited circumstances when a mother's symptoms appear more like post partum psychosis and she could be a danger to her child. It's extremely rare but it does happen. If your PTSD is under control, though, you're fine.
This case is such a heartbreaking one. Especially for Tim’s son. Hoping for healing and good health for Tim’s family, and for all of us to be safe on our daily commute.
As Canadians, we are disgusted by this. He made a choice not to take his meds, where's the accountability for that?! Tim and his family were disregarded and disrespected from start to finish. The only person who's welfare was considered is the murderer. Now he's out with no monitoring of him taking his meds... Shocking Incompetence by our justice system. There is no possible was this can be seen as protecting public safety.
This case happened when I was a child and since I heard of it I’ve been terrified even thinking about it. The things that this man did to Tim is so vile and disgusting. the fact that this man walks free and the justice system won’t even really release WHERE he is is terrifying and whenever I think about it to much I feel like I’m going to throw up. It’s so scary that this happened, mental health help and medication should be medically forced on people like this
I'm sure this is obvious to most everyone; but the likelihood of someone with schizophrenia committing a violent crime is very low. We only hear about the violent people who either refused/were unable to get treatment. There is a stigma about people with hallucinations being unpredictable and violent and this is just not true.
Thanks again Danielle for another amazing video!
I've heard that too, that they're actually much more likely to have crimes committed upon them.
Regardless, it ruins a lot of people’s lives including their own. I’ve seen it first hand.
NOBODY cares if the 'stats say offenses are very low'. If it affects YOUR life, you do NOT care about 'stats'
@Lorraine Armstrong My point was in no way discrediting the suffering of people who were affected by this crime or any other. My point is that people with schizophrenia are often stereotyped as violent murderers and portrayed that way in the press which leads to unfair treatment of them in society. My point was attempting to remind people not to take the actions of one violent man and apply it to an entire population.
@@lorrainearmstrong7587 Thank you!! My exe's son was a paranoid schizophrenic who, after I left, I read had violently rap*d a woman, after trying to break into another apartment. Excuse me that I don't want to hear the whole white-knight need to virtue signal. Many actually DO commit crimes and lacking a filter, can be incredibly aggressive and dangerous. There's a reason there is a stigma. Sure some of it is unfair, but is also based in a little truth.
That case is shocking! I cannot believe the miscarriage of justice! My prayers are with the family of Tim!
No bc ive listened to every murder podcast under the sun with a poker face but THIS. THIS was the one that truly got me. How. How did the universe arrange itself for this to happen with such precision and affect so many lives. It’s just. It baffled me and Christy your research and story telling made justice for Tim. Thank you for sharing his story with the world. I learned so much. It moved me to the point of commenting and thats a lot.
This was traumatic for a lot of people here in Canada that didn’t know the poor guy and then you think how traumatic it must have been for his family and loved ones.
I was on a Greyhound from Calgary to Winnipeg to visit family just a week before this incident. I was supposed to take a Greyhound to go back to Calgary a couple weeks later. My mom was so freaked out that she bought me a plane ticket instead 😅
This case is so heartbreaking. The state of mental Healthcare in Canada is... bad, to say the least. As someone who has been both a patient and a volunteer at crisis centres, it really crushes me.
I’m from Canada this case is infamous here. I’ve gone on that exact same bus route via greyhound from bc to Alberta. Makes this story all the more haunting and it paints a clearer image. Absolutely terrifying. His underdevelopment/ struggle to stop peeing the bed says child abuse to me.
Bed-wetting is indicative of numerous learning delays and disabilities. You should be aware that you’re basically accusing many parents of abuse for their kids wetting the bed for those things
@@Author.Noelle.Alexandria especially considering that Vince was born a month premature. Premature births bring a higher risk of developmental issues and musculoskeletal anomalies, so I can see this as a weaker bladder and development delay
That's a bit harsh..bed wetting on its own can mean nothing,it's if it is combined with,apparently,killing animals as a youngster & theirs another element I can't think of but yh,all 3 of these combined can be indicative of said point but on its own bedwetting can be harmless!..don't spread misinformation as you could be pointing the finger at alot of innocent parents there!..Not cool..
@@Author.Noelle.Alexandria there’s been countless evidence proving bed wetting issue’s persisting beyond being a Toddler being an effect of trauma / child abuse. Jon benet for example. Had it been caught earlier * the obvious abuse she might still be alive. Instead family ignored the signs. Them getting punished for wetting the bed it makes it worse . Which happens. To think otherwise is ignorant. Doesn’t mean every grown child peeing the bed means abuse but it could be means to pay closer attention for other suss signs of abuse. Most killers didn’t have happy normal childhoods. They were usually abused / neglected. Again because apparently I need to explain logic, doesn’t mean every abused child will go onto kill. Ie myself. But people deal with trauma differently. Some cope better than others. Doesn’t excuse them of consequences for their actions. But a person being abused during the years they are developing into the person they will become can have huge effects on the rest of their life aka mine.
@@fionamcfadden5772 no offence ,what a stupid comment. lol No shiz it doesn’t always mean abuse. But it’s linked to many killers childhoods. As are developmental and social issues… sooo…. I also know it’s a thing social workers look for . Would they take a child away just for that one thing? No but they may look into it further because that’s there job. There’s cases of social workers not acting on these signs and it ending n abused children dying so eff off with that nonsense mmkay 👌🏻✨💫
I've had a friend who has schizophrenia, and he did end up having a very bad psychotic episode in a different country and was sort of lost for either months or years, I'm not sure, I just remember that it took his family a long time to find him again. He didn't murder anybody, sure, but he had lost control and done all kinds of stuff that would seem weird or unsettling to the rest of us. After treatment and with medication, he's been able to live a mostly normal life, but he still sometimes suffers from psychotic episodes, especially when he sometimes decides to not take his meds for one reason or another (tbh that seems like a pattern with all the people I know that have schizophrenia) and he ends up destroying property or just has a mental breakdown or something.
Treatment and medication are important, and I hope that during the stay in the psychiatric hospital he learned to understand his condition more and became more responsible with taking his meds and all that. Yes, what he did was wrong, but he wasn't of sane mind at all when he committed the absolutely horrible act. Tbh I'd point the finger at the people who originally diagnosed him and just let him go about his life without making sure that he learns what's going on and why he needs to take the meds and so on.
Blaming people with mental health issues just makes it harder for them to go get help, because there's a lot of stigma if you hear voices or see things that aren't there. I've known a lot of people like that over the years, and it's so sad when they don't get treated properly.
And yes, it is scary that there's some very violent people out there, but tbh I'd be more scared of the people that have control over their actions and they want to hurt people because they enjoy causing suffering and all that shit.
Pretty good video otherwise though, I've seen videos of this case before, and I don't remember hearing about the man's childhood before.
When they released their monster into the public in Winnipeg, I protested most vehemently. I sent a few emails to all those pigs... and the politician threatened to sick the Mounties one me!
I saw the disturbing pictures of the head on the internet and they still haunt me to this day. Poor man. He was so handsome and seemed so nice... what a stupid loss that could be prevented if this man had just got the proper treatment he needed...
@@abebuckingham8198 It could have. He was diagnosed to have this illness way before and even found him roaming in the highway with clear signs. In my country by law someone like this is inmediately put into a hospital to be treated. I worked in a mental hospital and I have put medication on patients that refuse to take pills "cause they arent sick".. and improve. This clearly would have gotten him better mentaly and stay more stable and understanding to take medication. He would also be force to have legally meetings with a psychiatrist to evaluate his progress with power to put him back in an institution if needed or have him have a warrant if he fails to show to the appointment.
@@Alejojojo6 It can be difficult to tell the difference between schizophrenia and religiosity at times. In my experience people with religious delusions are skeptical of anything that would stop them from hallucinating because it's an accepted part of the religion. Having visions and hearing the voice of God are major themes in the Bible. The Book of Revelations reads like the ramblings of a schizophrenic too so you can see that the mentally ill were key members of the church in the past. It's only recently in human history that we've begun to see it as an illness and not a gift.
The sad part is Vince has been released back into the public 😡 WHY!??? Our justice system is stupid
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I hesitated giving Danielle’s channel a serious chance because before I couldn’t stannnndddd British/UK accents. For no reason other than my own ears I suppose. BUT I was like, “ok one day I just gotta get over this I can do it.” ….. and now, Danielle is the reason I’m now FOND of the accent. I can actually watch other shows without getting irritated. So, thank you Danielle, for softening these ears of mine 😂❤
The sadness of this case makes me scared to ride on buses.