Just wanted to add: 1) I didn't include Puck & Shelby because I wanted to focus on Will in order to discuss how inappropriate teachers aren't just the ones who have affairs with students. Also, it was a similar plot line to Riverdale & GG so I thought I'd just be repeating the same point. I should have mentioned this because I've received a few comments asking why I didn't include that - so this is why 🤓 2) Yes, I did include a photo from Friends as an example even though it isn't a teen drama, honestly...I forgot to remove it (lol soz) so I guess we'll just have to live with that 😅
You asked if we wanted a video about the problem of the sexualisation of teen girls in the media and I think that is a conversation that should be had so I at least would like one. Thanks for all of your videos!
the most annoying things about high school set teen dramas is that they could be practically the same show but just have the students be in college and it be 90% less problematic.
You just view it as problamatic because it illegalel in your country or you are influenced by the "popular" Movie countrys in which it is illigal. No other reason. ITS not fucked up if you REALLY think about it girls "get ready" to have childs Like around 13. So why is it strange or Wrong ? Stupid. In my opinion.
A part of me is starting to believe they want to normalise it, it's gross how fine so many companies are glorifying pedophilia, and sometimes trying to make it comedic, in cases of female abusers usually. It's crazy that I've seen people saying "lucky guy" to male r*pe victims in real life, these types of shows are only gonna make it worse for any victim
@@af2876 you do realize that teenagers brains aren't fully developed right? Meaning that they can't consent and are easily manipulated. There's a power imbalance in these "relationship's". That's how people end up in abusive relationships. If you truly believe there's nothing wrong with it then you need to be locked up behind bars
Apart of me wishes teens played teens in shows because as a teenager i look at myself and wonder why I, a 16 year old, didn’t look like a teenager on tv who’s actually 27.
It's also bizarre when they do use actual teenagers, because on pretty little liars they had a 13 year old playing a 15 year old and a 31 year old playing a 16 year old IN THE SAME SEASON.
I remember starting high school and was so confused to see all those 16, 17, 18 year olds that seemed so “young” and almost childish because I was so used to those American teen shows that cast people in their mid twenties. It literally fcked my brain
yeah as a 17 year old uhhhhhh what the fuck? we really are not like that for the most part (and a lot of teens who are feel pressured into it by society and media (trust me i was one lmao) or just assume that other teens are "like that" and act the part)
Teachers who try to be “cool” just disturbs me. I remember this teacher who would make friends with popular kids, and laugh along when they blatantly bully people.
I had a French teacher who started talking about her underwear in class. A student asked what "lingerie" means since it's a French word, and the teacher was like "It's the kind of underwear I have on right now, which is red panties and a red bra with lace all over it". She also wore miniskirts and bleached her hair platinum blonde despite being in her 50's. Not sure if she was disturbed or just going through some kind of midlife crisis.
I actually got a new teacher fired for bullying in high school, I can’t really remember much because it was over 10 years ago, she was harassing me about my asthma and joined in on making fun of me with a bunch of older girls, I think I threw a ball at her or near her and broke down my friends took me to see the vice principal, I think a lot of other girls complained about her too after, she never returned.
As a young person I fell for the idea that it was possible for an adult man to be genuinely interested in me in a nonpredatory way. It took growing up and seeing men from a different perspective to recognize how fuckin predatory and tragic it is. YOUNG PEOPLE PLEASE no matter how much you think you want that relationship, it is not what you think it is.
I honestly think there are young teachers out there that are delusional enough to think that their attraction to a student isn't wrong because they might be close in age or the student seems to behave in a more "mature" way than their age would suggest. I can see where a young student could easily get swept up in the excitement of attention from a person like this because the teacher in question actually believes themselves to be in love, so why wouldn't the student? The thing is, though, young students out there, if a teacher is trying to pursue a relationship with you then they are blatantly ignoring the education on child development they had in order to become a teacher in the first place. They absolutely know better, but they are ignoring known facts in an attempt to fulfill a desire. It doesn't matter how they try to spin the situation. They have no right to express any interest in any kind of personal relationship with you.
As a teen, I thought that a relationship with adult woman was the best thing that could ever happen… thank Dog nobody ever reciprocated 😳 I now realize how horrifically gross it would have been.
YES! Especially for young people who are constantly being told how "mature" they are for their age... it makes it easy to think that its different for you because you're "more mature" and therefore basically older so its fine if grownups are interested in you :( (((((This isn't even getting into how most people who are "mature" for their age are mostly victims of abuse/parentification or all kinds of other things that made them grow up before they needed to))))))))))
I knowwww! Never understood the "fantasy". Like having a relationship with your boss too. Any authority figure that forces me to stick to a strict schedule and do something I don't want just makes me resent/create distance from them.
I mean it's attractive when they genuinely care and love their job. Homework is a bitch but it's at least more tolerable when the person giving it to you cares about your progress and teaches in a way that makes it, at the very least easy for everyone. Idk just a preference :/
I would like to say to any minors watching this; if you’re a teen who has a crush on a teacher, you are normal and not a bad/immoral person. It’s very common! What is NOT normal OR ok, is when teachers/adults/authority figures reciprocate and engage in these relationships. It doesn’t matter how big of a crush the teen has on their teacher, it is the adults responsibility to not engage or indulge their students in these fantasies. It IS normal for teens to crush on teachers. It is NOT normal for adults to enter any kind of relationship with the teen. Even if the teen is the one initiating, it’s the adults responsibility to set appropriate boundaries.
i def was that kid in highschool who liked his teachers- but now that im older i see why the idea of dating younger people is sooo skeevy. like um no why are u dating actual children stop
100% is just the chefs kiss, i stopped watching the show around season 3 and when i found out ezra and aria married a few weeks ago i honestly couldn't believe it but i also sadly could, these teen shows love to Romanize abusive/toxic relationships.
@@rave3484 I don't know if you know it but Ezra knew how old Aria was in the pilot but he still pursued her. And he had a little encounter with Alison too He's just so creepy
My Holly Trinity is Alison X Jail X Ezra, where they both get arrested and convicted, for the shit they pulled. Out of the canon ships I prefer Paily, because Paige is basically the only bedbuddy that didn't happen to betray their liar in some huge way after popping their cherry, which is a weird pattern I've noticed in the other three guys (Caleb was caught working for Jenna, Toby joined the A team and faked his death and Ezra lied about the can of beans). Honestly I didn't support most of their relationships. Not that the girls are perfect themselves but the guys they all picked were just terrible.
@@dianareynolds2446 omg! i didn't until this comment and the video that's so bad. i can't understand how they thought Romanizing a 15 or old and teacher was a good idea. i thought it was bad enough he realized in the pilot he slept with her yet still pursued her, but to know he knew the whole time and had a history is beyond creepy and grossed.
As a teacher i always find this trend creepy. As a younger female teacher I've had teenagers be a little flirty and honestly it makes me feel sick, they are CHILDREN. Edit: what i find creepy and sick is that tv shows romanticize these teacher/ student relationships. Students having crushes is normal. The adults acting on these crushes is fucked up.
Same here. It's so uncomfortable! My first year, I tried to dress fashionably and professional, but since frumping it up and wearing baggier clothes, flirty students have left me alone.
I’m studying to be a teacher and honestly, stuff like this has got me glad to be disabled. The chances of students developin a “crush” on a dude in a wheelchair seem lower than that of one blessed with bipedalism. Were you given any training on how to handle these situations? I’m not sure if it’ll be included in our curriculum and if it’s not I’m kinda afraid to ask. How do you put it to a stop on the spot?
Yeah, that must be really sickening. When I was in my high school chorus, we would often have a student teacher instruct us for a semester. During my senior year, we had a bookish 20 something year old girl with blonde hair and round glasses. Basically the female version of Isabelle from Animal Crossing All the baritones in my choir were absolutely smitten, and some of them would even write notes saying how hot she is and giving them their Snapchat and Instagram tag names to her. She didn't really say anything about it, but I can tell that she was really put off by it.
In the Pretty Little Liars book Aria & Ezras relationship gets shut down real quick and is thought of by the others as f-ing weird and illegal, they break up and Ezra moves and gets replaced in her class and no one ever talks about it again
I read the first few books but it's been years since I've read them or seen the show (I didn't watch the last couple seasons of the show either) but doesn't Ezra do the creepy writing a novel about Alison and her friends thing in the books too?
This reminds me of a Simpsons episode where lisa sort of gets a crush on her teacher but it portrays it in such an innocent way, lisa admires him and he just sees her as his little underage student with a hunger for knowledge. I think is a good example to show how to handle that kind of relationship
The soap opera, General Hospital kind of did the same. There is this teen character who had this small, innocent crush on her teacher because he was there for her in a moment when she really needed it. He never did anything. He just respected her as a person and treated her as such.
As someone who slept with their teacher in high school this video was a weird one to watch i have to admit. And just in case someone is reading this who is currently being pursued by their teacher. Don't do it. I beg you! Leave! It messed me up for years and to this day (7 years later) I am still working through it with my therapist. Even if you think you want it and think it's fine, please, don't fall for their "Wow, you're so mature for your age" BS. I know it's hard, especially because you feel like you can't tell anyone, and that's fine. You don't have to tell anyone. Just get yourself out of that situation. Take care of yourself!
I'm so sorry that happened to you! For me it wasn't a teacher, just creepy older men in general. It took me a long time to realize how badly I was manipulated. Any time an older man tells a teenage girl they are "so mature", what they are really saying is "I'm too immature for women my age and you are naive enough to fall for my bullshit".
It's way easier to believe you are in love, than to admit to yourself you were groomed and taken advantage of. I so wanted to believe we were a unique love story, a true romance 'like in the movies' 🤮🤢🤮
I’m sorry to hear that and I wish that these people would just burn and fall off the earth. While not nearly as bad as what you experienced, I had a martial arts instructor who liked to spend a lot of 1-on-1 time with me, as in going to lunch/dinner, going on day hikes, or trading massages, and he was also very handsy. While I realized it probably looked fucking gross to any outsider, I thought it was ok cause I truly believed there was no sinister intent behind any of it, no way he was ever into me. That is, until I learned that he did this to a bunch of other students too and I heard some of their stories, how others had confronted him about similar behavior, and there’s just no way that it’s “just how he is.” Most of this stuff happened when I was around 24-25 and while it didn’t get explicitly sexual or romantic I’m fucking angry about it and it’s kind of messed me up too. I imagine he sees himself as a sort of puppet master who can always get what he wants because he’s just so used to being in charge and demanding that everyone around him obeys him. Just gross.
It's all about how attractive the actors are: if any of them were not conventionally attractive, people would recognize it as creepy immediately. Edit: comments below are definitely worth a read!
It reminds me of the whole thing with the show You or 50 Shades of Grey where if those men weren't conventionally attractive their characters would 100% be seen as the villains of the week in a Criminal Minds episode.
It's also generally a younger teacher, with the actors being close in age, so it isn't creepy to see them together without context. I feel like it would be different if the teacher was visibly much older.
@@Llamanescent Most definitely. You're not going to feel the same immediate unease when the actors are only three years apart as you would if they were ten or twenty.
I never noticed how creepy Mr Shue was but I always loved how Sue antagonized his every move and now looking back as an adult, I love Sue Sylvester so much more.
The fact that they used "Teachers Pet" song for an edit romantizing a teacher/student relationship is so funny since the song is literally framing it as a bad thing
The worst part, to me at least, is that these plots tend to somehow put blame on the children for being attracted to adults. As if it's not the adults' fault for accepting/being attracted to a child's advances.
Not knowing these shows I couldn't really tell which characters were supposed to be the students and which were the teachers. Kinda shows the problem right there. It makes these "teen" relationships look more okay than regular romantic movies, because there the women look the same, but the men are 20 years older.
At 16, I desperately wanted to date a 24 yo because of shows and stories like these. I saw nothing wrong with it, and told all my friends I wanted someone more mature then the stupid highchoolers we were surrounded with. At 24 I look at 16 yo kids and see literal fetuses. They are still so young and have a crazy amount of development and growth ahead of them. I like working my teen coworkers cause they are old enough to have intelligent conversation with and have a developed sense of humor, but I'm constantly reminded of how young they are. The fact that these shows, written by adults, essentially groom minors into idolising these relationships is disgusting to me
At 18 I look back at even 17 year old me and I can tell how much you really mature in a year as a teenager. I can’t even imagine dating someone that’s 16 at this age.
@@Loptr177 tbh still not so sure how it got past. Like I read something trying to interpret the book as secretly condemning it, but it felt unconvincing and the movie is definitely all for it
@Etevaldo Skylab The problem isn't that teens are attracted to people over there 20 but that such relationships (if they get together) can easily mentally damage the teenager because of the power imbalance and the difference in experience e.g. a 22-year-old is much more likely to know the fetish or stuff they are into, while a teenager is still in their experimantal phase and is therefore more easy to be persuade to take part in it. Since teenagers brains are in a more emotional development phase and have little experience they are more likely to put up with something they don't like to not lose the person, thinking that this is normal or that they want to do it even if not.
Considering how much sexual abuse takes place in the entertainment industry, it is not an accident that so many teens shows portray adult/teen relationships as normal, healthy, and "sexy." The things writers put in their scripts are the same things happening on set when the cameras stop rolling.
Everything is sexual abuse now. It's to the point where we might as well have a sex agency and people register with it and the agency picks the proper age and power dynamic and monitors their consent exchanges and all sex is banned before 25 when the brain is not yet fully developed.
Ezra is awful character but I like his actor because he vocally calls out Ezra/his relationship with Aria and refuses to say anything positive about it. XD
Having actors the actual (or close to) age of their characters would probably get everyone involved arrested, and rightfully so. I don’t think it’s intentional, but hiring adult actors conveniently hides just how disgusting it is
Yeah... the "student" looks older than their character's age, and the "teacher" often looks younger than they should- especially in the storylines where it's a female teacher, the actual actors' ages are probably about the same!
It didn't get Marlene and the rest of the cast and crew of Pretty Little Liars arrested when they TOTALLY ON ACCIDENT hired a 12-3 year old to play Alison, who went on to portray some of the most dubious and adult subject matter in the show, in her early teens. Degrassi managed to cast teens and still do a great range of plotlines and stuff that relate to teens and their hiring teens just made their characters that much more relatable and realistic and did a better job of showing how disgusting or inappropriate certain things were.
Can I just mention the edit shown at 14:24 is to Teacher’s Pet by Melanie Martinez, which is a song LITERALLY ABOUT STATUTORY RAPE BY A TEACHER. They *had* to have realized.
And it’s not like the lyrics are even hiding it, “I didn’t learn a damn thing honey from you except how to lie and cheat while inside the sheets” “stop calling me your bunny I won’t hop and you don’t own me, do you. I bet you think you do, well you don’t.” and the mv ends with the victim brutally murdering the teacher after he drugs her and attempts to dissect her. Melanie couldn’t have been more obvious, she even brings up the teacher having a wife and kids he sees at the end of the day.
I can’t believe them like what ? I wanna be a teacher to encourage my ducklings to get an education and indulge in their intellectual curiosity, not to goddamn HARASS THEM
the crazy thing is that KJ Apa, who plays Archie, was only like 18 when he was in the student teacher relationship. He was still crazy young and it was still really gross...it's like the writers were going 'okay he's finally of age, let's start filming the show!'.
@@theeKPOPlover yeah the teacher lady gets murdered later in the show in a flashback for being a pedo so at least they were like THIS IS BAD compared to others. But Archie was definitely groomed.
Friendly Spaxe Ninja has a really good (but long) video about riverdale. he mentions that the showrunner has ahad a weird obsession with the archie comics, and making them sexy, looong before riverdale was greenlit so the whole thing feels sooo weird through that lens
I was absolutely DISGUSTED with the whole Ezra/Aria thing even as as 13 year old. I never understood how so many loved them as a couple, it was so gross to me.
The same happened to me at a similar age (12/13 I dont remember) with a relationship between a 16y girl with her teacher. At first it seemed like it was a one sided crush from the girl but in the end when they got together I couldnt even finish reading it.
Yeah I'm thirteen now and I read some of the books and a bit of the show when I was twelve and I was repulsed by their relationship, it made me really uncomfortable...
My younger sister's friend is obsessed with the pretty little liars ship. Unfortunately, she is 13 and was in a 'relationship' with a 17 year old for about 6 months. She said to me it made her feel grown up, like the characters in PLL. The portrayals of these relationships do cause real world issues, especially when those relationships are shown in a positive light.
Student teacher relationships even between college students and professors I think aren’t great (if they are the student’s professor) because of the power imbalance
True. Though we were several students in one subject who had a crush on our gorgeous butch lesbian professor.x) Warm memories from the uni. She didn't date us, and if she had, she would have had a harem.
@@lindahl458 It's still UNETHICAL AND UNFAIR because there's always BIAS and FAVORITISM to certain students which can RUIN students' future careers and/or make it more difficult for no reason and giving undeserved benefit to the student who's dating the professor or blackmail that student in the relationship. It's SICK either way or at least VERY PROBLEMATIC FOR EVERYONE and not just for the taboo couple.
I had a friend in highschool who actively pursued a teacher because she was attracted to him, and she was absolutely inspired by Aria and Ezra. That show probably has a lot to answer for...
it is a good thing she didn't watch Dawson's Creek, that pilot has a very similar storyline of 2 people getting together to find one in the other's class the next day and then Pacey actually tries to get the teacher to go along with the dating ever after she found out he was 15/16. It didn't last.
@@mellonmarshall If you watch Japanese movies and tv series, teacher-student relationships are common. One of the most influential tv series and social critique is a masterpiece called "Highschool Teacher" made in 1993. The tropes are so common, that in the pilot to Kindaichi Case Files in 1995, no one act in surprise or in protest. Meanwhile the societal attitudes toward those relationships are pretty much the same to this day. The teacher may had to find a new occupation, the student' s parents would be looking for a transfer and blame the school. The shows are fictions and made to entertain. Normal predictable, and emotionally healthy characters are boring to write and watch. Anyone who expect educations or good ways to live their lives from fiction should just go to the library.
@@Account.for.Comment And then I recommend Revolutionary Girl Utena. It shows an absolutley GUT WRENCHING portrayal of the trope, really hammering home how fucked up it is and how power imbalances are embedded into society.
Let's talk about sikowitz from victorious and how he constantly touched and harassed his students. And he also invited them multiple times to his house and we were supposed to think that's okay??
I was just watching that episode when sikowitz invites everyone for an acting exercise at his home, they were supossed to be in caracther at all times and spend the weekend there, some of them even got to sleeep in his house. I was thinking the whole time, how is that not viewed as inappropriate? How they let him get away with it ? Their parents knew about it too, didn't they find that suspicious?
I have no clue how they got away with letting that twelve year old sing “Lose My Breath” by Destiny’s Child. It’s usually really difficult to shock me, but that definitely did.
she is! when i saw what they did too her i was so surprised. even though she's younger now i couldn't help but imagine the original and it just added to the grossness of the relationship .
Tropes we love to see: Parents being villainized for getting angry that their minor-aged kid is "dating" an adult. Wow mom, why can't you be happy for your child and let them live their dreams /s.
I rewatched Pretty Little Liars at the beginning of 2020 while I was on vacation with my aunt in her house and I was so angry with Aria. She was so angsty and snappy and bratty when they’re parents were being extremely and surprisingly calm and generous given the fucked up situation. They could’ve reacted much worse and reported Ezra to police but they got him a job. A perfectly nice job. Tbh, I just kept watching for the rest of the girls. Aria was about to make me break out and have a rage stroke.
teen dramas literally fcked me up so much as a teen that when i was 15/16 i thought i was undesirable bc i wasn't pursued by adults and i really feel like people should talk about the sexualisation of teenagers on tv more pls make i video on it this one was great :`)
Exactly! If these shows demonstrated that teacher/student relationships were not ok, I would be all for it. But normalizing it for an audience that is so vulnerable already? Gross. It always leads me to believe writers for these shows have ulterior motives and want kids to think adults hitting on them is a good thing.
i think things like this need to be talked about more. it’s so weird how media likes to portray inappropriate relationships as sexy and desirable. it’s literally mass grooming- a child in that situation may not even realize how wrong and harmful it really is because of how normalized and romanticized it’s become which makes it all the more easy for adults to take advantage of them. these shows love to show the relationship but never like to have a scene that outright addresses how wrong it is. and they never show the character dealing with the trauma that comes after. it’s disgusting how adults write these shows for teens to watch.
After taking a female sex offender class in college and learning how much leniency they get for being women and how teenage boys are praised for being with older women makes these things in shows even worse. Let’s not encourage it further!
Yeah: a nonce male teacher gets with a 14 year old girl: "hang him by the balls and throw him into the shark pit and then into a vulcano!" (justifiably), but then the same guys commenting what follows when a nonce female teacher gets with a 14 year old boy: "I wish that were me as a teenager/where were those teachers back then/those teachers are giving a lip service to the boys teaching them how to be man" etc...
It took me until 23 to realize my high school teacher calling me cute, touching my leg, always standing super close to me, etc... was wrong :( Edit: Thank you to all the very kind and lovely humans responding to me
Sorry you went through that This never happened to me personally but apparently a teacher in my (old )school used to drop pencils near girls so he could look up their skirts. It was sad because most of them were 12
I’m a young teacher and I’m so glad you made this. It’s gross and so weird that we’ve normalized this deeply illegal thing. Especially since it usually ignores the deeper power dynamics between older male teachers and young girls (not that it doesn’t happen with female teachers). I would love to see a video about the sexualization of teens and how early it’s happens (even KJ Appa is an example of this). My parents have stories of their friends being groomed by teachers and there isn’t a standard system to report these things. Thanks for starting the conversation!
As someone who’s autistic who adored pretty little liars watching that relationship honestly made me assume it was somewhat ok and nothing was wrong with it to the point that when a grown man told me I was sexy and hot I felt amazing I felt like this was a step in the right direction and romanticised these types off relationships I was 14 at the time I was literally a child this man was 55
I love pop culture but they need to stop romanticizing relationships like this. It’s scary and dangerous because it’s against the law. This is coming from an autistic person.
@@Aries_Superstar_Army OMG I LOVE GLEE and same it sucks so much to know the shit they did because u grow a massive emotional attachment to them that I feel like it physically hurts those off us who are autistic and Yh they probably think that everyone watching this type of TV knows that these relationships are bad but the problem is is that not everyone Will be aware of the fact that they are bad because a lot of the time the people watching these programs are neurodivergent, neurotypical people need to stop creating damaging relationships and romanticising them because it’s getting to a point that people like us end up romanticising it as well
@@Anissalips Honestly I rooted for them. I know it's weird now but when you watch these shows because you think you're old enough (even though I definitely wasn't a teenager), it doesn't seem as bad. But that's why when your older you realize it's wrong. Your brain develops and you can look at stuff more critically.
I have a friend on a different high school, he is a couple of years younger than me (16), and he had apparently been dating a teacher for like a year, no one had any idea. When he realized it was becoming quite toxic he reached out to his parents. They ended the relationship, the teacher was fired, and he has started therapy, but I can imagine this will hunt him for some years. As others have said, it's completely normal to have a crush on a teacher, but it's the adults responsability to set boundries that will keep you safe.
@@29jgirl92 Me too! The reason I'm writing this is because I can imagine a lot of teens would be very scared to open up about this. Scared that they'll be blamed, that they made a mistake, that the situation becomes worse... But it's very important to talk about it with someone you trust!
"Dan Humphries who thinks he's poor even though he has a massive apartment in Brooklyn" had me rofling. Really, from the "thinks he's poor" bit I was cracking up.
I would be so interested in hearing your take on the sexualization of girls in movies/ tv. You could even touch on how young singers and actresses are sexualized, like how there was a countdown for when Emma Watson came of age.
Some of my friends are teachers. When I was still in school, I thought it‘d be „cool“ to have a relationship with a teacher, but now I‘m just terrified by the pure thought. When you are a student, you think you are so grown up, but heck no you are children! Now go and sit at home, because of home schooling!
Which is even weirder when teachers actually go after students. They KNOW they're just kids that can get taken advantage of, they KNOW they don't know any better
Yes ! I sat on a desk connected to my English teacher's desk (literally right next to him lol) and he was a dude in his 40s. We would chat, swap books, reccomend movies, talk philosophy etc. I never got any creepy vibes from him, and I always felt fine about our 'closer' friendship bc we sat together and liked the same genres of books/movies. I would always have a friend with me or tell a friend where i was going, I never spent lunches with him/stayed after school with him, etc etc. He was absolutely solid and I appreciate him being a decent dude. Meanwhile, we had the police come to our school when I was 15 for the Prison me no way! Program, and the main guy in charge of the program gave me Weird Vibes. After my class's session with him, during which I'd been being picked on and watched specifically all class (like, he specifically called on me when over half the class had their hands up, or tried to pull me up for demonstrations, all of which I refused to participate in due to anxiety) as everyone filtered out of the room for lunch, he asked me to stay back and talk to him. In a room with only one exit, where the windows faced into the forest instead of the school grounds, and down a long corridor, far away from the lunch areas. I grabbed a friend and said "don't leave me here alone" she said "it's fine, he's not gonna do anything he's police" so I bribed her with my lunch to stay. When we made our way from the back of the room where we'd sat to the desk at the front, the police officer tried to dismiss her, and I gripped her arm + said "I'm not staying here if she leaves." He grunted and said "nevermind then" and we left together, and she said "idk what your problem was with him" and I said "something about his vibe is Wrong" and she dropped it. 2 years later he was in the paper being arrested for being a paedophile, which was especially concerning as his job was Youth Affairs officer, taking him to every school on the island 💀💀💀 I texted the friend who stayed with me "I told you he was off."
@@doctorwholover1012 that is genuinely terrifying wtf, I'm glad he didnt get a chance to do anything to you. and asking you stay back and talk alone is creepy as fuck, so was leaving as soon as your friend was staying. you had every right to be suspicious from the beginning
I never understood why anyone would want to make friends with teachers. I've always been afraid of them, whether they were young/cute or not, and always kept a safe distance.
The thing is Glee had this weird/comedic/ eccentric tone to it which made it that no one really took that show seriously it's like all these characters were caricatures or straight out of a cartoon
Yeah, I don't remember how far I kept watching until I fell off, but I remember the tone being so all over the place that it was hard to tell if you were supposed to be taking events seriously and literal, or if some parts were in some characters' imagination, or were metaphorical or what.
I haven’t seen much of a queer perspective on this, so I’d like to add that I feel like relationships with teachers can be extra dangerous for LGBTQ+ kids. My first ever crush as a lesbian who didn’t yet realize I was a lesbian was on my orchestra teacher, and the situation became somewhat comical when my mom, hoping to make me more invested in the violin, hired the same teacher to give me one-on-one lessons over the summer. To be fair, this teacher was fresh out of college, so it wasn’t the worst person to like, but looking back, even though I laugh at the fact that I completely misunderstood why I felt so flustered around her, I’m extremely thankful that nothing came out of it. I was in an extremely vulnerable position, not only because I was 13 years old, but also because I didn’t completely understand my attraction to women, and I can’t imagine how fucked up i would be if someone in a position of authority exploited that.
I imagine the issue of adult/children relationships are exacerbated by the fact that many queer people are in the closet and can’t/haven’t told their families about their sexuality, and then maybe feel that an adult being interested in them is the only way to express their sexuality? This is all conjecture but it seems likely :/
Oh no absolutely I wish we talked about this more. I had a friend once whose first real relationship with a woman was her teacher who groomed her. She told me all sorts of awful stories about what she’d been through. Sadly, we drifted apart, but I’m still really proud of her for making it to the other side. It’s empowering to see her embracing healthier relationships with other women now after all she’s been through.
if a queer kid gets with queer adult but isn't out or isn't safe coming out about their sexuality that puts them in so much danger. when i was being groomed (15&25) i knew it was bad but i couldn't tell anyone because then the 25 yr old would leak messages and show that im a gay trans man, and that would be dangerous in a household of Qanon religious folks, so you're definitely right
as someone who has had a teacher be creepy and gross towards them, and still has nightmares about it, i'm so sick of seeing these tropes, bc while the abuse was happening, it was so normalized i didn't see how disgusting that teacher was being to me. i still have nightmares about him almost every night :(
I hope you know that none of your actions nor physical aspects did or ever will excuse the actions of others. Your former teacher's gross behavior was entirely thier fault, and I hope you are doing okay now
As a 13 year old I had a crush on at least two teachers but I had enough sense to know that it's inappropriate to have a relationship with them. I would feel so uncomfortable if they were moving on to me.
I love that she said that she isn’t mad at the commentators, that they are just kids, but instead focuses on the writers. When you are a kid, you really don’t see things clearly, and adults have a responsibility to show good examples
Yeah, also not even actors are to blame in some cases. For example, Ezra's actor in PLL seems to be only staff/cast member to dislike the "romance" between Ezra and Aria, as he has even said it's creepy and refuses to say any positive opinions of his own about it.
One of my closest friends was 22 when our college professor (who was 43 at the time) started developing feelings for her and sending her weird texts. And even though she was technically an adult, it wasn't any less disgusting.
as a long furby mother, i would a 100% recommend birthing one. they’re a loving, huggable child. my long furby is my emotional support system and i am hers. we’re inseparable.
I am so glad you are talking about this! When shows marketed towards minors portray a sexual relationship between an adult and a minor it needs to show how creepy it is and how fucked up the power dynamic is. I was groomed by a 26 year old guy as a teen, it's stories like mine that need to be studied and portrayed so teens know what to look out for. A grown man telling a teenage girl she is 'mature for her age' should be a red flag.
@@TaraMooknee thank you for your kind words ❤️ it took me a long time to realize how wrong it was, no thanks to shows like these that glamorize adult/minor relationships.
The movie edge of seventeen does a teacher/student relationship SO much better - they start to get "close" and I was so worried the whole way through that it was gonna get gross but they're just... a teacher who's trying to help out a student and a kid who admires a teacher. I don't remember much about the movie but that was really refreshing to see, honestly
When I was senior in high school, I had a Beat Lit teacher that was super young and cute, and I had SUCH a crush on him, and even wrote some slightly lascivious poems that I hoped he would figure out were secretly about him and that we would have a romance. Now that I'm an adult, I am SOOOO grateful that he was not a predator, and never gave me the time of day beyond sounding proud of what a passionate student I was about writing.
I'm a teacher, and whenever online dating, I've had men say, "If you were my teacher, I would really learn." Or something like, "I bet the students have crushes on you." It really grosses me out, and it really isn't the compliment they think it is 😒
If I were to say the first one, I would *not* make it a body thing. I think that should be reserved for a respect thing or "you seem like a chill person" thing.
When I was younger I thought american teens simply just look more grownup, didn't understand the actors were older than characters they were playing. :D
when I was 16 I had a serious crush on my 27 year old teacher. He definitely knew (bc it was obvious lol) and I often chatted with him, alone as well. He always kept his professional distance without being mean or rude. I was disappointed back then obviously but in retrospect, I'm so glad he was a decent person bc I was very gullible and naive back then. I had problems at home and I felt drawn to him bc he was honest and kind and easy to talk to. If he'd taken advantage of my crush, he would've been the exact opposite of the reasons I liked him! And it would've messed me up even more. I'm lucky my teacher crush wasn't an Ezra 🙃✋ fun fact he was a English teacher too so when I watched PLL for the first time at 20 years old, I got uncomfortable at the parallels 😬 like ... this could've been me 💀... jesus
I think Hulu did a decent job on their show called "A Teacher". They showed that the teenage boy was actually ruined after that relationship and he did not fantasize about it.
Can we talk about how many tv/movie LGBTQ+ relationships have this teacher-student dynamic? like that doesn't play into negative stereotypes or anything...
It's weird because watching these shows as a kid and preteen, I remember thinking how grown up teenagers seemed. Then I became a teenager and felt like something must be wrong with me and my friends because we didn't look or behave like the teens on these shows. Then I became an adult and realized that I was completely normal, and that teenagers do not look or act like this, and should not act like this. Hollywood has really distorted our views about childhood and teenage-hood. I distinctly remember having no issue with Aria and Ezra the first time I watched PLL at like age 12. I rewatched the series around age 19-20 and was repulsed by the story line.
My best friend’s older sister was being groomed/abused by our XC coach in high school. It wasn’t quirky. He was 57, she was a very shy 16 year old and a prodigy at running. We thought perhaps he just wanted to help her reach her full potential but we also knew something darker was going on, they were always talking on the phone outside school hours. We found out she’d been sleeping with him for over a year. He’d bring us to his house alone after meets to “hang out” which was also weird (that’s too normalized by TV as well) and we decided to raid his bedroom one night and found a lot of weird stuff but the worst was the piles of notes between them with him asking her to run away with him and get married. Her dad confronted him yet he would still show up at the house while I’d be over crying and begging to speak to her “we’re in love!!!!”, her dad finally threatened legal action and he fled. My friend later started sleeping with our 24 year old computer teacher at 14. I never told a soul. Her dad was also creepy and would always pay extra special attention to me, inviting me to the basement alone (while there’d be 6 of us sleeping over we) to look at his motorcycle and talk about boys. My friend got herpes in freshman year after sleeping with the whole senior class (18/19 year olds included) and disappeared for a month but that whole family dynamic was so messed up. I think about this every time I see this trope play out and it’s so not realistic, but that goes without saying. Rip to her Dad though, he battled throat cancer since we were in 3rd grade and died when we were 21 leaving his 3 beautiful daughters and a wife he hated and berated constantly behind.
yes, iirc Archie was actually being pushed to break off the contact and the teacher was fired, maybe even sent out of town? Anyway she was more of a stepping stone or w/e to introduce the first murderer imo!
@@cherie..cherry Yes, I mean, it's still the CW, but I don't want it to be erased that that show did acknowledge the act and acknowledge she was a predator (they portrayed her as manipulative and predatory)
I am a teacher and I hate this trope with a burning passion. Media has made this teacher/student thing into something that teenagers might view as “desirable” when it is beyond fucked up. And because I know not all teachers have the same level of professionalism as some of us have, sadly there are some twisted individuals that take advantage of this.
Teenagers watching these shows and thinking that they want a similarly 'mature' relationship with an adult is a lot like a five year old seeing dog do tricks on TV and begging for one that they can totally train/take care of all by themselves. No, child, you're not ready for that yet, and when you ARE old enough to be ready to do those things, you'll realize that you were too young now.
16:10 but wouldn’t she have been 13? Because this happened 2 years before. In current time, the girls were 15 or 16, but Alison “died” 2 years before, which would mean that she was like 13 years old when Ezra got involved with Alison. 19:19 also, yes I would like a video on that.
I only recently watched PLL for the first time and if I understand correctly, Alison was like 14/15 when she dated Ezra 🤢 bc she disappeared that summer and one year later the show starts with Aria coming back to Rosewood and she was 16. Then Aria and Ezra dated. (And based on Ezra's long-lost son storyline(🤡), he was 25-ish in current time so he would've been like 23 when dating Alison... wtf 🙃🙃🙃)
@@ThexDynastxQueen Seeing as I’m an incredibly private person irl, I doubt it’s relatives. Just to be safe we should quadruple down on never using Tiktok.
In the last season of Shameless Tammy meets her high school teacher and we find out she had a relationship with him when she was a teenager. When Lip tells her it's weird she defends the affair saying they had something special and that she had been mature for her age. Later they meet his fiancee - a student (who also claims to be mature for her age) - and that's when Tammy realizes her teacher has taken advantage of her. She remembers that at that time she was in a really bad place - her mother had just died and she was craving attention. I think the writers did a good job there.
I am 23 and in college but have a teacher who I think is kinda attractive and my friend was like "go for him, you're both adults" but just thinking about it is weird af to me.
@anwne i would never but it's kinda akwkward because outside of college he would be totally my type. but the fact that he's my teacher isn't attractive to me at all. it's rather a turn off
I'm 28 and I swear people think I'm 17, in a very very bad way. Like I'm an actual adult, but people are constantly like "where's your mother?". I remember watching those shows as a teen and feeling so weird about how I looked, because if now I look 17, imagine then, when I was actually 17 lol
@@shamidkpzd honestly in my experience it makes them more interested. A disproportionate amount of old creeps who have hit on me in my life have asked something like “what school do you go to” or “how’s school going?”
*NÉE-NAR 😭 NÉE NAR ✋🏾 MAYDAY 👊🏾MAYDAY💀* This is giving me HELLA P3D0 VIBES💀✋🏾 I never understood the teacher-student scenarios, it’s *extremely* disgusting.
I hate that they push this narrative so much 😭 I've had way too many friends in middle/high school that had crushes on, or even proclaimed love for, 30-50 year old teachers 😩 I feel like these shows just romanticize this dynamic too much
I mean in real life sometimes it's just an exaggeration, like a compliment, also a lot of times teens don't understand always the gravity of the things they say, the problem is when it's the teacher (an adult) to make the first moves
@@feliciaann721 yes that's kinda the point of what I said(?) , teens don't always notice immediately red flags especially from manipulators, the first move could be passed off as an misunderstanding same for the second one, that's what I meant by " first moves" not always it's simple to understand a person's bad intentions, obviously it should be shutted down right in the moment but it's not that simple to notice (especially because the targets are usually shy and insicure)
And also why are relationships in highschool between a minor and a teacher more common in media than relationships in college between an adult and a teacher that is fairly close in age? The power dynamic is still kinda icky, but is way better than a grown ass teacher and their 17 years old student.
And if they want a teacher character to have a relationship why not just build them a relationship with another teacher? In these teen dramas they usually have at least a couple of teachers but you rarely see any of them get together. It might not be as dramatic but it would be far better than making them predators. Like in Glee Will Schuester was a terrible character but his relationship with Emma was probably one of the more healthy and sensible (as in it actually made sense) of the show. Carol and Burt (two of the main characters' parents) were also one of the strongest. There were quite a few teacher couples at my school and it's kinda weird but sweet when the students ship it haha.
@@tinyblueunicorn7807 True! It's such a better route overall, they can even make them teachers in a institution that has a rule against romantic relationships between staff members if they just want the “forbidden love” thing
Sorry, had to point this out real quick but 13:53. Sue Sylvester is rightfully portrayed as a villain, she did more than just shove someone downstairs, she is a downright creepy teacher that forces body issues onto her students and she is incredibly transphobic and mildly homophobic throughout the show. Not to mention the little bits of racism sprinkled through the show here and there. Schue and Sue are both terrible teachers and terrible people. Other than that I do agree with the video, I just think its a little bit bad to undermine the terrible things that character did.
How is showing a character push someone down the stairs undermining how bad they are? When I see a character push someone down the stairs I think automatically they're a terrible human being. Tara was making a JOKE and showing us how awful Sue was. There was no defence of her.
Perfect timing. I'm currently rewatching PLL (I promised a friend we would. Mistakes were definitely made), and the narrative framing of the Ezra/Aria relationship has me wanting to hurl stuff into my screen. I especially love how the parents are portrayed as irrational and wrong for being against it. But then, older guys drooling over underage girls is kind of a running theme in the show.
As a minor i think the normalizing of adults relationships with minors disgusts me in general i remember when Nate in gossip girl when he was 15 and slept with 30 years old women n also she sleeps w her step son who is 15-16 gossip girl is full of these stories lol and strange life "a video game" when a girl like her teacher nd she's just 18 she is not even a "complete" adult just bc they look older IT DOSENT MEANT IT IS OK
Just wanted to add:
1) I didn't include Puck & Shelby because I wanted to focus on Will in order to discuss how inappropriate teachers aren't just the ones who have affairs with students. Also, it was a similar plot line to Riverdale & GG so I thought I'd just be repeating the same point. I should have mentioned this because I've received a few comments asking why I didn't include that - so this is why 🤓
2) Yes, I did include a photo from Friends as an example even though it isn't a teen drama, honestly...I forgot to remove it (lol soz) so I guess we'll just have to live with that 😅
Pt 2 where you do a deep dive into Hulus show "A Teacher" which shows the after effects of a student/teacher affair on a minor
Did you know the wife of french president Emmanuel Macron was his teacher and they "fell in love" when Macron was just 15 years old?
Hello Tara Mooknee I would love to see ur reaction to this YT video: The Perks of Dating a Dumb Girl (Animated Story-Time)
You asked if we wanted a video about the problem of the sexualisation of teen girls in the media and I think that is a conversation that should be had so I at least would like one. Thanks for all of your videos!
I second this sentiment!
the most annoying things about high school set teen dramas is that they could be practically the same show but just have the students be in college and it be 90% less problematic.
You just view it as problamatic because it illegalel in your country or you are influenced by the "popular" Movie countrys in which it is illigal. No other reason. ITS not fucked up if you REALLY think about it girls "get ready" to have childs Like around 13. So why is it strange or Wrong ? Stupid. In my opinion.
A part of me is starting to believe they want to normalise it, it's gross how fine so many companies are glorifying pedophilia, and sometimes trying to make it comedic, in cases of female abusers usually. It's crazy that I've seen people saying "lucky guy" to male r*pe victims in real life, these types of shows are only gonna make it worse for any victim
@@af2876 but we know that teenagers brains aren't fully developed yet. What are you even implying?
@@af2876 please get help weirdo.
@@af2876 you do realize that teenagers brains aren't fully developed right? Meaning that they can't consent and are easily manipulated. There's a power imbalance in these "relationship's". That's how people end up in abusive relationships. If you truly believe there's nothing wrong with it then you need to be locked up behind bars
my friend told me she had a grandma who loved cows so much, they called her 'moo-ma'
That's so adorable! :)
Tara in 50 years
@@ashikjaman1940 Tara right now LOL
she'd love the tara cow.
My heart😂💕💕
Apart of me wishes teens played teens in shows because as a teenager i look at myself and wonder why I, a 16 year old, didn’t look like a teenager on tv who’s actually 27.
It exacerbated our body image issues SO MUCH.
TV teens being in their 30's has totally permanatly fucked up my ability to gauge people's age properly.
It's also bizarre when they do use actual teenagers, because on pretty little liars they had a 13 year old playing a 15 year old and a 31 year old playing a 16 year old IN THE SAME SEASON.
Yes! And I also think the problem is that teenagers often don’t realise it :/
I remember starting high school and was so confused to see all those 16, 17, 18 year olds that seemed so “young” and almost childish because I was so used to those American teen shows that cast people in their mid twenties. It literally fcked my brain
"POV: I'm your French teacher and we start to catch feelings."
POV: You catch these hands
I'd rather throw myself into the sea than talk to a French teacher ever again.
@@thirdwheel9938 ppl fetishize french men alot-
@@stargirlabi_111 it's the romanticism of French for all these years for me😶
@@hat7475 💀
@@hat7475 actually how did that even come to be?
The “sir, this is a kindergarten” in the tic tok comment section killed me 😭✋✋
me tooo, I was hoping someone pointed that out
and who tf let you out your ash pot? back i say.... *BACK* 💢
Your pfp 💀
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2:21 if anyone is looking for a timestamp
I’m convinced Glee is a fever dream at this point
one we all want to forget
Add Riverdale to the list please
We wish
I love your content lol.
It’s the fever dream that I’ll go back to every once in a while, and then immediately regret it afterwards.
the accent. the hair. the tooth gap. the furbys. the cow print. A LEGEND
yes please talk about the over sexualization of teenagers in tv shows and movies, it’s really gross.
yeah as a 17 year old uhhhhhh what the fuck? we really are not like that for the most part (and a lot of teens who are feel pressured into it by society and media (trust me i was one lmao) or just assume that other teens are "like that" and act the part)
I want her to talk on anime too i had to stop watching this anime called sword art online cause of the oversexulization of the minors
Legit tho, I fucking hate it!
@@sasha44486 That anime as a whole is sooo weird
@@sushiroll111 it was!!!
Teachers who try to be “cool” just disturbs me. I remember this teacher who would make friends with popular kids, and laugh along when they blatantly bully people.
I had a French teacher who started talking about her underwear in class. A student asked what "lingerie" means since it's a French word, and the teacher was like "It's the kind of underwear I have on right now, which is red panties and a red bra with lace all over it". She also wore miniskirts and bleached her hair platinum blonde despite being in her 50's. Not sure if she was disturbed or just going through some kind of midlife crisis.
Not you calling out my English teacher like that
I actually got a new teacher fired for bullying in high school, I can’t really remember much because it was over 10 years ago, she was harassing me about my asthma and joined in on making fun of me with a bunch of older girls, I think I threw a ball at her or near her and broke down my friends took me to see the vice principal, I think a lot of other girls complained about her too after, she never returned.
@@peskypigeonx lingerie is a word that comes from french it's literally lingerie but pronounced different
@@ussinussinongawd516 as a French student I am experiencing so much shame that I can’t express it
As a young person I fell for the idea that it was possible for an adult man to be genuinely interested in me in a nonpredatory way. It took growing up and seeing men from a different perspective to recognize how fuckin predatory and tragic it is. YOUNG PEOPLE PLEASE no matter how much you think you want that relationship, it is not what you think it is.
I honestly think there are young teachers out there that are delusional enough to think that their attraction to a student isn't wrong because they might be close in age or the student seems to behave in a more "mature" way than their age would suggest. I can see where a young student could easily get swept up in the excitement of attention from a person like this because the teacher in question actually believes themselves to be in love, so why wouldn't the student? The thing is, though, young students out there, if a teacher is trying to pursue a relationship with you then they are blatantly ignoring the education on child development they had in order to become a teacher in the first place. They absolutely know better, but they are ignoring known facts in an attempt to fulfill a desire. It doesn't matter how they try to spin the situation. They have no right to express any interest in any kind of personal relationship with you.
Learnt that the hard way.. 3 times💀
As a teen, I thought that a relationship with adult woman was the best thing that could ever happen… thank Dog nobody ever reciprocated 😳 I now realize how horrifically gross it would have been.
YES! Especially for young people who are constantly being told how "mature" they are for their age... it makes it easy to think that its different for you because you're "more mature" and therefore basically older so its fine if grownups are interested in you :( (((((This isn't even getting into how most people who are "mature" for their age are mostly victims of abuse/parentification or all kinds of other things that made them grow up before they needed to))))))))))
@@potatopotatoeOG
Why couldn't you learn the lesson sooner?
There’s nothing attractive about an authority figure that makes me do school 😫😩
Lmaoooooo 😂😂
I knowwww! Never understood the "fantasy". Like having a relationship with your boss too. Any authority figure that forces me to stick to a strict schedule and do something I don't want just makes me resent/create distance from them.
I mean it's attractive when they genuinely care and love their job. Homework is a bitch but it's at least more tolerable when the person giving it to you cares about your progress and teaches in a way that makes it, at the very least easy for everyone. Idk just a preference :/
There are good teachers who care out there...they are just rare ://
@@raspberrycrowns9494 Oh yes, I’ve had some good teachers in my life that influenced me for the better. I meant it as a joke.
I would like to say to any minors watching this; if you’re a teen who has a crush on a teacher, you are normal and not a bad/immoral person. It’s very common! What is NOT normal OR ok, is when teachers/adults/authority figures reciprocate and engage in these relationships. It doesn’t matter how big of a crush the teen has on their teacher, it is the adults responsibility to not engage or indulge their students in these fantasies. It IS normal for teens to crush on teachers. It is NOT normal for adults to enter any kind of relationship with the teen. Even if the teen is the one initiating, it’s the adults responsibility to set appropriate boundaries.
OMG YES
i def was that kid in highschool who liked his teachers- but now that im older i see why the idea of dating younger people is sooo skeevy. like um no why are u dating actual children stop
This! This is so well said and definitely something young people need to hear.
Louder for the "well the teen pursued the teacher!!" People in the back
As a woman that was told "you're really mature for your age" a lot growing up... Thank you
My fav ship from Pretty Little Liars is ✨Ezra × Jail✨ They belong together till death do them apart
You misspelled Erza and Jellal
100% is just the chefs kiss, i stopped watching the show around season 3 and when i found out ezra and aria married a few weeks ago i honestly couldn't believe it but i also sadly could, these teen shows love to Romanize abusive/toxic relationships.
@@rave3484 I don't know if you know it but Ezra knew how old Aria was in the pilot but he still pursued her. And he had a little encounter with Alison too He's just so creepy
My Holly Trinity is Alison X Jail X Ezra, where they both get arrested and convicted, for the shit they pulled. Out of the canon ships I prefer Paily, because Paige is basically the only bedbuddy that didn't happen to betray their liar in some huge way after popping their cherry, which is a weird pattern I've noticed in the other three guys (Caleb was caught working for Jenna, Toby joined the A team and faked his death and Ezra lied about the can of beans). Honestly I didn't support most of their relationships. Not that the girls are perfect themselves but the guys they all picked were just terrible.
@@dianareynolds2446 omg! i didn't until this comment and the video that's so bad. i can't understand how they thought Romanizing a 15 or old and teacher was a good idea. i thought it was bad enough he realized in the pilot he slept with her yet still pursued her, but to know he knew the whole time and had a history is beyond creepy and grossed.
As a teacher i always find this trend creepy. As a younger female teacher I've had teenagers be a little flirty and honestly it makes me feel sick, they are CHILDREN.
Edit: what i find creepy and sick is that tv shows romanticize these teacher/ student relationships. Students having crushes is normal. The adults acting on these crushes is fucked up.
Same here. It's so uncomfortable! My first year, I tried to dress fashionably and professional, but since frumping it up and wearing baggier clothes, flirty students have left me alone.
I’m studying to be a teacher and honestly, stuff like this has got me glad to be disabled. The chances of students developin a “crush” on a dude in a wheelchair seem lower than that of one blessed with bipedalism.
Were you given any training on how to handle these situations? I’m not sure if it’ll be included in our curriculum and if it’s not I’m kinda afraid to ask.
How do you put it to a stop on the spot?
Yep, same. It's so gross!
Yeah, that must be really sickening.
When I was in my high school chorus, we would often have a student teacher instruct us for a semester. During my senior year, we had a bookish 20 something year old girl with blonde hair and round glasses. Basically the female version of Isabelle from Animal Crossing
All the baritones in my choir were absolutely smitten, and some of them would even write notes saying how hot she is and giving them their Snapchat and Instagram tag names to her.
She didn't really say anything about it, but I can tell that she was really put off by it.
@@oppaloopa3698 idk teenage me fancied cats and lions
In the Pretty Little Liars book Aria & Ezras relationship gets shut down real quick and is thought of by the others as f-ing weird and illegal, they break up and Ezra moves and gets replaced in her class and no one ever talks about it again
Wait, so Ezra and Aria never end up together in the book?
@@asiyahasoui2965 Yes and this is why the books are better also because the final A actually makes sense
@@caspermcgoangle975 I really want to know the final in book version
@@asiyahasoui2965 Aria actually ended up with Noel
I read the first few books but it's been years since I've read them or seen the show (I didn't watch the last couple seasons of the show either) but doesn't Ezra do the creepy writing a novel about Alison and her friends thing in the books too?
This reminds me of a Simpsons episode where lisa sort of gets a crush on her teacher but it portrays it in such an innocent way, lisa admires him and he just sees her as his little underage student with a hunger for knowledge. I think is a good example to show how to handle that kind of relationship
Yes, kudos to whoever wrote that episode!! 👏
Furthermore LISA IS 8 IF IT WENT FURTHER IT WOULD BE LOLITA 2 not written by Vladimir Nabokov but by Matt Groening
@@dorothyallspice1862 matt groening did
Heck, it’s not even really a crush. She more just thinks of him like the father she should have had.
The soap opera, General Hospital kind of did the same. There is this teen character who had this small, innocent crush on her teacher because he was there for her in a moment when she really needed it. He never did anything. He just respected her as a person and treated her as such.
As someone who slept with their teacher in high school this video was a weird one to watch i have to admit. And just in case someone is reading this who is currently being pursued by their teacher. Don't do it. I beg you! Leave! It messed me up for years and to this day (7 years later) I am still working through it with my therapist. Even if you think you want it and think it's fine, please, don't fall for their "Wow, you're so mature for your age" BS. I know it's hard, especially because you feel like you can't tell anyone, and that's fine. You don't have to tell anyone. Just get yourself out of that situation. Take care of yourself!
I'm so sorry you went through that. I hope you're healing and sending you love. None of it was your fault. ❤️
I'm sorry you were taken advantage of
I'm so sorry that happened to you! For me it wasn't a teacher, just creepy older men in general. It took me a long time to realize how badly I was manipulated.
Any time an older man tells a teenage girl they are "so mature", what they are really saying is "I'm too immature for women my age and you are naive enough to fall for my bullshit".
It's way easier to believe you are in love, than to admit to yourself you were groomed and taken advantage of. I so wanted to believe we were a unique love story, a true romance 'like in the movies' 🤮🤢🤮
I’m sorry to hear that and I wish that these people would just burn and fall off the earth. While not nearly as bad as what you experienced, I had a martial arts instructor who liked to spend a lot of 1-on-1 time with me, as in going to lunch/dinner, going on day hikes, or trading massages, and he was also very handsy. While I realized it probably looked fucking gross to any outsider, I thought it was ok cause I truly believed there was no sinister intent behind any of it, no way he was ever into me. That is, until I learned that he did this to a bunch of other students too and I heard some of their stories, how others had confronted him about similar behavior, and there’s just no way that it’s “just how he is.” Most of this stuff happened when I was around 24-25 and while it didn’t get explicitly sexual or romantic I’m fucking angry about it and it’s kind of messed me up too. I imagine he sees himself as a sort of puppet master who can always get what he wants because he’s just so used to being in charge and demanding that everyone around him obeys him. Just gross.
It's all about how attractive the actors are: if any of them were not conventionally attractive, people would recognize it as creepy immediately.
Edit: comments below are definitely worth a read!
so true
It reminds me of the whole thing with the show You or 50 Shades of Grey where if those men weren't conventionally attractive their characters would 100% be seen as the villains of the week in a Criminal Minds episode.
It's also generally a younger teacher, with the actors being close in age, so it isn't creepy to see them together without context. I feel like it would be different if the teacher was visibly much older.
@@Llamanescent Most definitely. You're not going to feel the same immediate unease when the actors are only three years apart as you would if they were ten or twenty.
Which is why many serial killers are ‘successful’....media always portrays the bad guy as ‘ugly’.
Anyway, cows are pretty ❤️😍 🐄 😍❤️
I never noticed how creepy Mr Shue was but I always loved how Sue antagonized his every move and now looking back as an adult, I love Sue Sylvester so much more.
Sue CARRIED the show. 👏
I didn't watch the show much, but when I did it was just for Sue Sylvester.
The fact that they used "Teachers Pet" song for an edit romantizing a teacher/student relationship is so funny since the song is literally framing it as a bad thing
Yeah ikr after the song plays in the k-12 movie Angelita litreally kills the creepy teacher
Ewww. As a teenager, all I wanted from my teachers was leniency about my late or missing assignments.
That's more unrealistic than Riverdale :[
I'm a teenager but same.
For real. As a teen now, I get super uncomfortable and flustered when a teacher even says hi to me in the hallway.
The worst part, to me at least, is that these plots tend to somehow put blame on the children for being attracted to adults. As if it's not the adults' fault for accepting/being attracted to a child's advances.
@@mewmew6158 Exactly! I stand answer should be "NOPE you are a child."
Not knowing these shows I couldn't really tell which characters were supposed to be the students and which were the teachers. Kinda shows the problem right there. It makes these "teen" relationships look more okay than regular romantic movies, because there the women look the same, but the men are 20 years older.
YEP
At 16, I desperately wanted to date a 24 yo because of shows and stories like these. I saw nothing wrong with it, and told all my friends I wanted someone more mature then the stupid highchoolers we were surrounded with. At 24 I look at 16 yo kids and see literal fetuses. They are still so young and have a crazy amount of development and growth ahead of them. I like working my teen coworkers cause they are old enough to have intelligent conversation with and have a developed sense of humor, but I'm constantly reminded of how young they are. The fact that these shows, written by adults, essentially groom minors into idolising these relationships is disgusting to me
At 18 I look back at even 17 year old me and I can tell how much you really mature in a year as a teenager. I can’t even imagine dating someone that’s 16 at this age.
I feel the same way as a 24. I remember watching cmbyn for the first time and feeling so uncomfortable at the age gap.
@@Loptr177 same...it didnt feel right
@@Loptr177 tbh still not so sure how it got past. Like I read something trying to interpret the book as secretly condemning it, but it felt unconvincing and the movie is definitely all for it
@Etevaldo Skylab The problem isn't that teens are attracted to people over there 20 but that such relationships (if they get together) can easily mentally damage the teenager because of the power imbalance and the difference in experience
e.g. a 22-year-old is much more likely to know the fetish or stuff they are into, while a teenager is still in their experimantal phase and is therefore more easy to be persuade to take part in it. Since teenagers brains are in a more emotional development phase and have little experience they are more likely to put up with something they don't like to not lose the person, thinking that this is normal or that they want to do it even if not.
Considering how much sexual abuse takes place in the entertainment industry, it is not an accident that so many teens shows portray adult/teen relationships as normal, healthy, and "sexy." The things writers put in their scripts are the same things happening on set when the cameras stop rolling.
Damn, thats a very good point
Everything is sexual abuse now. It's to the point where we might as well have a sex agency and people register with it and the agency picks the proper age and power dynamic and monitors their consent exchanges and all sex is banned before 25 when the brain is not yet fully developed.
The Pretty Little Liars one really aggravated me when I originally watched it 😩🥴 like not only is it wrong, but he was also just annoying
AND the fact that he knew she was underage and her identity and her friends...yet she forgives him?!?!?! WTF?!?!?!
Also he helped A lol 😂
@@theeKPOPlover but it’s ok you see, he got shot for her. /s that fixes everything!
SO annoying
Ezra is awful character but I like his actor because he vocally calls out Ezra/his relationship with Aria and refuses to say anything positive about it. XD
Having actors the actual (or close to) age of their characters would probably get everyone involved arrested, and rightfully so. I don’t think it’s intentional, but hiring adult actors conveniently hides just how disgusting it is
Yeah... the "student" looks older than their character's age, and the "teacher" often looks younger than they should- especially in the storylines where it's a female teacher, the actual actors' ages are probably about the same!
truth.
It didn't get Marlene and the rest of the cast and crew of Pretty Little Liars arrested when they TOTALLY ON ACCIDENT hired a 12-3 year old to play Alison, who went on to portray some of the most dubious and adult subject matter in the show, in her early teens. Degrassi managed to cast teens and still do a great range of plotlines and stuff that relate to teens and their hiring teens just made their characters that much more relatable and realistic and did a better job of showing how disgusting or inappropriate certain things were.
Can I just mention the edit shown at 14:24 is to Teacher’s Pet by Melanie Martinez, which is a song LITERALLY ABOUT STATUTORY RAPE BY A TEACHER. They *had* to have realized.
FOR REAL FOR REAL😶
And it’s not like the lyrics are even hiding it, “I didn’t learn a damn thing honey from you except how to lie and cheat while inside the sheets” “stop calling me your bunny I won’t hop and you don’t own me, do you. I bet you think you do, well you don’t.” and the mv ends with the victim brutally murdering the teacher after he drugs her and attempts to dissect her.
Melanie couldn’t have been more obvious, she even brings up the teacher having a wife and kids he sees at the end of the day.
Just finished my education degree and I genuinely can't watch shows where students and teachers have relationships cuz it makes me heckin uncomfy 🥴🤮
I also finished last year and I relate too much with you
saaaaame!!! k-12 students are BABIES
I can’t believe them like what ? I wanna be a teacher to encourage my ducklings to get an education and indulge in their intellectual curiosity, not to goddamn HARASS THEM
@@meghansullivan6812 This!! 17-18 year olds shouldn't be allowed to drive or go out alone after night tbh.
the crazy thing is that KJ Apa, who plays Archie, was only like 18 when he was in the student teacher relationship. He was still crazy young and it was still really gross...it's like the writers were going 'okay he's finally of age, let's start filming the show!'.
At least the show kinda addressed how creepy it was and the parents did intervene. In PLL, they kinda just accept Ezra and Aria's relationship....
@@theeKPOPlover yeah the teacher lady gets murdered later in the show in a flashback for being a pedo so at least they were like THIS IS BAD compared to others. But Archie was definitely groomed.
Friendly Spaxe Ninja has a really good (but long) video about riverdale. he mentions that the showrunner has ahad a weird obsession with the archie comics, and making them sexy, looong before riverdale was greenlit so the whole thing feels sooo weird through that lens
I was absolutely DISGUSTED with the whole Ezra/Aria thing even as as 13 year old. I never understood how so many loved them as a couple, it was so gross to me.
The same happened to me at a similar age (12/13 I dont remember) with a relationship between a 16y girl with her teacher. At first it seemed like it was a one sided crush from the girl but in the end when they got together I couldnt even finish reading it.
I read the books when I was around 12/13, and that very much bothered me. It was so awkward to read about and was really uncomfortable with it 😬
Yeah I'm thirteen now and I read some of the books and a bit of the show when I was twelve and I was repulsed by their relationship, it made me really uncomfortable...
@@puff3154 it should make you uncomfotble
Only good thing about that """""ship""""" is that Ezra's actor seems to dislike it greatly.
My younger sister's friend is obsessed with the pretty little liars ship. Unfortunately, she is 13 and was in a 'relationship' with a 17 year old for about 6 months. She said to me it made her feel grown up, like the characters in PLL. The portrayals of these relationships do cause real world issues, especially when those relationships are shown in a positive light.
It took me too long to realise her name was 'blaire' and you weren't just calling her 'bleh'
i gotta say, i very rarely laugh out loud at comments but this one got me. Real life laugh out loud moment. Thank you for your service.
This comment chain makes me ridiculously happy
@@barelyfunctioning3982 same
I'm sorry but 😂😂😂.
thanks for giving me an excuse to procrastinate on my English homework!
Same lol
Gym for me
Same
Do y'all home work
Yes I'm in texas
Student teacher relationships even between college students and professors I think aren’t great (if they are the student’s professor) because of the power imbalance
True. Though we were several students in one subject who had a crush on our gorgeous butch lesbian professor.x) Warm memories from the uni. She didn't date us, and if she had, she would have had a harem.
Why would a woman seek out an equal when she could do better?
But at least they aren't minors
@@lindahl458 It's still UNETHICAL AND UNFAIR because there's always BIAS and FAVORITISM to certain students which can RUIN students' future careers and/or make it more difficult for no reason and giving undeserved benefit to the student who's dating the professor or blackmail that student in the relationship. It's SICK either way or at least VERY PROBLEMATIC FOR EVERYONE and not just for the taboo couple.
@@virz4432 Yes, I just meant that it isn't inherently rape
I had a friend in highschool who actively pursued a teacher because she was attracted to him, and she was absolutely inspired by Aria and Ezra. That show probably has a lot to answer for...
Not her parents?
it is a good thing she didn't watch Dawson's Creek, that pilot has a very similar storyline of 2 people getting together to find one in the other's class the next day and then Pacey actually tries to get the teacher to go along with the dating ever after she found out he was 15/16. It didn't last.
@@mellonmarshall If you watch Japanese movies and tv series, teacher-student relationships are common. One of the most influential tv series and social critique is a masterpiece called "Highschool Teacher" made in 1993. The tropes are so common, that in the pilot to Kindaichi Case Files in 1995, no one act in surprise or in protest. Meanwhile the societal attitudes toward those relationships are pretty much the same to this day. The teacher may had to find a new occupation, the student' s parents would be looking for a transfer and blame the school. The shows are fictions and made to entertain. Normal predictable, and emotionally healthy characters are boring to write and watch. Anyone who expect educations or good ways to live their lives from fiction should just go to the library.
I've heard Ezra and Aria caused a lot of young girls trying to pursue their teachers. 😬
@@Account.for.Comment And then I recommend Revolutionary Girl Utena. It shows an absolutley GUT WRENCHING portrayal of the trope, really hammering home how fucked up it is and how power imbalances are embedded into society.
Let's talk about sikowitz from victorious and how he constantly touched and harassed his students. And he also invited them multiple times to his house and we were supposed to think that's okay??
I was just watching that episode when sikowitz invites everyone for an acting exercise at his home, they were supossed to be in caracther at all times and spend the weekend there, some of them even got to sleeep in his house. I was thinking the whole time, how is that not viewed as inappropriate? How they let him get away with it ? Their parents knew about it too, didn't they find that suspicious?
@@Nabo-h2x right! If a teacher invited hs sophomores to his house with NO guardian supervision, I'd report him immediately.
Sikowitz = Psycho witz
to be fair that was made by dan schneider............and dan schnieder wouldn't see anything wrong with that.................cause dan schneider.
Not to mention constantly doing “psychedelics” in front of the kids and never trying to hide it lol wtf was that
“how and why did glee get away with this” could be said about basically episode
Mr Waistcost is ALARMING.
I used to watch it and I kinda agree, I feel kinda bad for his wife.
I have no clue how they got away with letting that twelve year old sing “Lose My Breath” by Destiny’s Child. It’s usually really difficult to shock me, but that definitely did.
In Archie comics Miss Grundy is like 60 years old 😭
What 💀
She dead is
she is! when i saw what they did too her i was so surprised. even though she's younger now i couldn't help but imagine the original and it just added to the grossness of the relationship .
Yep. I used to read Archie comics as a kid and Miss Grundy is old like she's in her 60s. She even has white hair ffs.
Tropes we love to see: Parents being villainized for getting angry that their minor-aged kid is "dating" an adult. Wow mom, why can't you be happy for your child and let them live their dreams /s.
I rewatched Pretty Little Liars at the beginning of 2020 while I was on vacation with my aunt in her house and I was so angry with Aria. She was so angsty and snappy and bratty when they’re parents were being extremely and surprisingly calm and generous given the fucked up situation. They could’ve reacted much worse and reported Ezra to police but they got him a job. A perfectly nice job. Tbh, I just kept watching for the rest of the girls. Aria was about to make me break out and have a rage stroke.
teen dramas literally fcked me up so much as a teen that when i was 15/16 i thought i was undesirable bc i wasn't pursued by adults and i really feel like people should talk about the sexualisation of teenagers on tv more pls make i video on it this one was great :`)
Can't wait to get out of that mindset when I'm older, good on you!
Yikes that's awful
portraying a student/teacher relationship is one thing, but romanticizing and normalizing such a gross power imbalance is not it
Exactly! If these shows demonstrated that teacher/student relationships were not ok, I would be all for it. But normalizing it for an audience that is so vulnerable already? Gross. It always leads me to believe writers for these shows have ulterior motives and want kids to think adults hitting on them is a good thing.
I’m a simple person, I see Tara’s post, I click and I’m never disappointed
You are a pretty person too, your skin it's beautiful
i think things like this need to be talked about more. it’s so weird how media likes to portray inappropriate relationships as sexy and desirable. it’s literally mass grooming- a child in that situation may not even realize how wrong and harmful it really is because of how normalized and romanticized it’s become which makes it all the more easy for adults to take advantage of them. these shows love to show the relationship but never like to have a scene that outright addresses how wrong it is. and they never show the character dealing with the trauma that comes after. it’s disgusting how adults write these shows for teens to watch.
After taking a female sex offender class in college and learning how much leniency they get for being women and how teenage boys are praised for being with older women makes these things in shows even worse. Let’s not encourage it further!
Yeah: a nonce male teacher gets with a 14 year old girl: "hang him by the balls and throw him into the shark pit and then into a vulcano!" (justifiably), but then the same guys commenting what follows when a nonce female teacher gets with a 14 year old boy: "I wish that were me as a teenager/where were those teachers back then/those teachers are giving a lip service to the boys teaching them how to be man" etc...
Between you and Tom Harlock, my British sarcasm and sass quota is well and truly filled.
Please set them up
YES exactly what i was thinking, they're both amazing
Amen
I feel like this is the cross over we deserve at this point.
Oh my god yes (also notice how both of them are attractive style icons, like come ON lol)
I understand Cow™, I too dislike highschool teachers from teen drama shows.
It took me until 23 to realize my high school teacher calling me cute, touching my leg, always standing super close to me, etc... was wrong :(
Edit: Thank you to all the very kind and lovely humans responding to me
Goodness that’s scary, hope you’re doing okay
@@madismith1884 I am!! Thank you
Sorry you went through that
This never happened to me personally but apparently a teacher in my (old )school used to drop pencils near girls so he could look up their skirts. It was sad because most of them were 12
I hope you're good now, that most be so traumatic
I hope you're getting the support and help you need. That's awful. ❤️
I’m a young teacher and I’m so glad you made this. It’s gross and so weird that we’ve normalized this deeply illegal thing. Especially since it usually ignores the deeper power dynamics between older male teachers and young girls (not that it doesn’t happen with female teachers). I would love to see a video about the sexualization of teens and how early it’s happens (even KJ Appa is an example of this). My parents have stories of their friends being groomed by teachers and there isn’t a standard system to report these things. Thanks for starting the conversation!
As someone who’s autistic who adored pretty little liars watching that relationship honestly made me assume it was somewhat ok and nothing was wrong with it to the point that when a grown man told me I was sexy and hot I felt amazing I felt like this was a step in the right direction and romanticised these types off relationships I was 14 at the time I was literally a child this man was 55
I love pop culture but they need to stop romanticizing relationships like this. It’s scary and dangerous because it’s against the law.
This is coming from an autistic person.
I used to love Glee and 7th Heaven and the news about the actors who did those horrible things hurt me.
@@Aries_Superstar_Army OMG I LOVE GLEE and same it sucks so much to know the shit they did because u grow a massive emotional attachment to them that I feel like it physically hurts those off us who are autistic and Yh they probably think that everyone watching this type of TV knows that these relationships are bad but the problem is is that not everyone Will be aware of the fact that they are bad because a lot of the time the people watching these programs are neurodivergent, neurotypical people need to stop creating damaging relationships and romanticising them because it’s getting to a point that people like us end up romanticising it as well
What's more cursed: long furby or Will thumbnail...
i think long furby,,
will thumbnail
the will thumbnail for sure
Will he's the grossest
Long furbies are awesome, bow to your new overlords
I remember getting into pll, hating every second of ezra and aria together and being ecstatic when they broke up
Same. I never understood why people shipped it
Samee he annoyed me
@@Anissalips Honestly I rooted for them. I know it's weird now but when you watch these shows because you think you're old enough (even though I definitely wasn't a teenager), it doesn't seem as bad. But that's why when your older you realize it's wrong. Your brain develops and you can look at stuff more critically.
I used to think it was right, then when I grew up I was like... Wait a damn minute, and I started to make the math, and well, it is so fucked up.
@@pagolainaki7175 Yeah I didn't realize how young she was until tara pulled google up and I was like, damn
I have a friend on a different high school, he is a couple of years younger than me (16), and he had apparently been dating a teacher for like a year, no one had any idea.
When he realized it was becoming quite toxic he reached out to his parents. They ended the relationship, the teacher was fired, and he has started therapy, but I can imagine this will hunt him for some years.
As others have said, it's completely normal to have a crush on a teacher, but it's the adults responsability to set boundries that will keep you safe.
Glad he managed to reach out for help, that's already a huge step!
@@29jgirl92 Me too! The reason I'm writing this is because I can imagine a lot of teens would be very scared to open up about this. Scared that they'll be blamed, that they made a mistake, that the situation becomes worse...
But it's very important to talk about it with someone you trust!
"Dan Humphries who thinks he's poor even though he has a massive apartment in Brooklyn" had me rofling. Really, from the "thinks he's poor" bit I was cracking up.
“On one condition. You and the Glee Club stop twerking. For good.” I’ve never seen Glee, nor do I know much about it, and this killed me XD
everyone should watch your content
Agreed
the world would be in a much better place
Yes, even the cows
yeah
I would be so interested in hearing your take on the sexualization of girls in movies/ tv. You could even touch on how young singers and actresses are sexualized, like how there was a countdown for when Emma Watson came of age.
I remember the countdown for the Olson twins too :(
there was also a countdown for billie Eilish : /
Some of my friends are teachers. When I was still in school, I thought it‘d be „cool“ to have a relationship with a teacher, but now I‘m just terrified by the pure thought. When you are a student, you think you are so grown up, but heck no you are children! Now go and sit at home, because of home schooling!
Which is even weirder when teachers actually go after students. They KNOW they're just kids that can get taken advantage of, they KNOW they don't know any better
Yes ! I sat on a desk connected to my English teacher's desk (literally right next to him lol) and he was a dude in his 40s. We would chat, swap books, reccomend
movies, talk philosophy etc. I never got any creepy vibes from him, and I always felt fine about our 'closer' friendship bc we sat together and liked the same genres of books/movies. I would always have a friend with me or tell a friend where i was going, I never spent lunches with him/stayed after school with him, etc etc. He was absolutely solid and I appreciate him being a decent dude.
Meanwhile, we had the police come to our school when I was 15 for the Prison me no way! Program, and the main guy in charge of the program gave me Weird Vibes. After my class's session with him, during which I'd been being picked on and watched specifically all class (like, he specifically called on me when over half the class had their hands up, or tried to pull me up for demonstrations, all of which I refused to participate in due to anxiety) as everyone filtered out of the room for lunch, he asked me to stay back and talk to him. In a room with only one exit, where the windows faced into the forest instead of the school grounds, and down a long corridor, far away from the lunch areas. I grabbed a friend and said "don't leave me here alone" she said "it's fine, he's not gonna do anything he's police" so I bribed her with my lunch to stay.
When we made our way from the back of the room where we'd sat to the desk at the front, the police officer tried to dismiss her, and I gripped her arm + said "I'm not staying here if she leaves." He grunted and said "nevermind then" and we left together, and she said "idk what your problem was with him" and I said "something about his vibe is Wrong" and she dropped it.
2 years later he was in the paper being arrested for being a paedophile, which was especially concerning as his job was Youth Affairs officer, taking him to every school on the island 💀💀💀 I texted the friend who stayed with me "I told you he was off."
@@doctorwholover1012 that is genuinely terrifying wtf, I'm glad he didnt get a chance to do anything to you. and asking you stay back and talk alone is creepy as fuck, so was leaving as soon as your friend was staying. you had every right to be suspicious from the beginning
I never understood why anyone would want to make friends with teachers. I've always been afraid of them, whether they were young/cute or not, and always kept a safe distance.
The thing is Glee had this weird/comedic/ eccentric tone to it which made it that no one really took that show seriously it's like all these characters were caricatures or straight out of a cartoon
Yeah, I don't remember how far I kept watching until I fell off, but I remember the tone being so all over the place that it was hard to tell if you were supposed to be taking events seriously and literal, or if some parts were in some characters' imagination, or were metaphorical or what.
True, statutory rape is completely fine because the media it's in is goofy 🤔🤔🤔
You're gonna end a sa victim if that's your mental framework
I haven’t seen much of a queer perspective on this, so I’d like to add that I feel like relationships with teachers can be extra dangerous for LGBTQ+ kids. My first ever crush as a lesbian who didn’t yet realize I was a lesbian was on my orchestra teacher, and the situation became somewhat comical when my mom, hoping to make me more invested in the violin, hired the same teacher to give me one-on-one lessons over the summer. To be fair, this teacher was fresh out of college, so it wasn’t the worst person to like, but looking back, even though I laugh at the fact that I completely misunderstood why I felt so flustered around her, I’m extremely thankful that nothing came out of it. I was in an extremely vulnerable position, not only because I was 13 years old, but also because I didn’t completely understand my attraction to women, and I can’t imagine how fucked up i would be if someone in a position of authority exploited that.
I imagine the issue of adult/children relationships are exacerbated by the fact that many queer people are in the closet and can’t/haven’t told their families about their sexuality, and then maybe feel that an adult being interested in them is the only way to express their sexuality? This is all conjecture but it seems likely :/
Oh no absolutely I wish we talked about this more. I had a friend once whose first real relationship with a woman was her teacher who groomed her. She told me all sorts of awful stories about what she’d been through. Sadly, we drifted apart, but I’m still really proud of her for making it to the other side. It’s empowering to see her embracing healthier relationships with other women now after all she’s been through.
if a queer kid gets with queer adult but isn't out or isn't safe coming out about their sexuality that puts them in so much danger. when i was being groomed (15&25) i knew it was bad but i couldn't tell anyone because then the 25 yr old would leak messages and show that im a gay trans man, and that would be dangerous in a household of Qanon religious folks, so you're definitely right
You’re the british version of Strange Aeons and i can’t believe i never saw it until now 😳
Holy shit you're right the even the hair and the furbys. We gotta have a Tara/Teya crossover
I wanna say no but I'm finding it difficult to argue
Strange Æons is gay, no, she is the gay. Tara Mooknee can own furbys, but can Tara Mooknee be the gay?
Holy shit
@@Никодя I think Tara has mentioned before that she's gay? (Or at least likes women, I don't remember specifically)
as someone who has had a teacher be creepy and gross towards them, and still has nightmares about it, i'm so sick of seeing these tropes, bc while the abuse was happening, it was so normalized i didn't see how disgusting that teacher was being to me. i still have nightmares about him almost every night :(
I send many hugs
I hope you know that none of your actions nor physical aspects did or ever will excuse the actions of others. Your former teacher's gross behavior was entirely thier fault, and I hope you are doing okay now
@@ovenknees4410 thanks
It's absolutely not your fault. These people are horrible predators and it doesn't reflect on you at all. You're still so worthy and lovely 💞 hugs
As a 13 year old I had a crush on at least two teachers but I had enough sense to know that it's inappropriate to have a relationship with them. I would feel so uncomfortable if they were moving on to me.
I love that she said that she isn’t mad at the commentators, that they are just kids, but instead focuses on the writers. When you are a kid, you really don’t see things clearly, and adults have a responsibility to show good examples
Yeah, also not even actors are to blame in some cases. For example, Ezra's actor in PLL seems to be only staff/cast member to dislike the "romance" between Ezra and Aria, as he has even said it's creepy and refuses to say any positive opinions of his own about it.
One of my closest friends was 22 when our college professor (who was 43 at the time) started developing feelings for her and sending her weird texts. And even though she was technically an adult, it wasn't any less disgusting.
as a long furby mother, i would a 100% recommend birthing one. they’re a loving, huggable child. my long furby is my emotional support system and i am hers. we’re inseparable.
I'm worried Siggy would get jealous though
birthing a long furby... not the nicest thing I've imagined lmao
@@bm1259 I think long furby probably has a smaller head and weighs less than most newborns so it probably wouldn’t be bad after the head crowned
@@llcdrdndgrbd lmao but it's a long furby...it goes on forever
I am so glad you are talking about this! When shows marketed towards minors portray a sexual relationship between an adult and a minor it needs to show how creepy it is and how fucked up the power dynamic is. I was groomed by a 26 year old guy as a teen, it's stories like mine that need to be studied and portrayed so teens know what to look out for. A grown man telling a teenage girl she is 'mature for her age' should be a red flag.
I'm so sorry that happened to you. I hope you're healing, sending hugs. And yes, that phrase is used to justify such awful shit.
@@TaraMooknee thank you for your kind words ❤️ it took me a long time to realize how wrong it was, no thanks to shows like these that glamorize adult/minor relationships.
I can't wait for Cow to finally grace us with their presence because they have great editing skills
headcanon: the cow uses she/them 🥰🥰
@@paadoxal all cows are biologically female (this is a neutral statement btw I just think it's interesting)
@@mannymoctopusREAL hahah what are u serious?
@@paadoxal I mean, male cows are called bulls..
@@paadoxal yeah that's true, cows are female cattles that have given birth at least once
The movie edge of seventeen does a teacher/student relationship SO much better - they start to get "close" and I was so worried the whole way through that it was gonna get gross but they're just... a teacher who's trying to help out a student and a kid who admires a teacher. I don't remember much about the movie but that was really refreshing to see, honestly
When I was senior in high school, I had a Beat Lit teacher that was super young and cute, and I had SUCH a crush on him, and even wrote some slightly lascivious poems that I hoped he would figure out were secretly about him and that we would have a romance. Now that I'm an adult, I am SOOOO grateful that he was not a predator, and never gave me the time of day beyond sounding proud of what a passionate student I was about writing.
I'm a teacher, and whenever online dating, I've had men say, "If you were my teacher, I would really learn." Or something like, "I bet the students have crushes on you." It really grosses me out, and it really isn't the compliment they think it is 😒
If I were to say the first one, I would *not* make it a body thing. I think that should be reserved for a respect thing or "you seem like a chill person" thing.
When I was younger I thought american teens simply just look more grownup, didn't understand the actors were older than characters they were playing. :D
I love this! 💘 now, address the teen dramas where the characters are 200 year old supernatural beings dating highschool students!
and have a cgi baby?
when I was 16 I had a serious crush on my 27 year old teacher. He definitely knew (bc it was obvious lol) and I often chatted with him, alone as well. He always kept his professional distance without being mean or rude. I was disappointed back then obviously but in retrospect, I'm so glad he was a decent person bc I was very gullible and naive back then. I had problems at home and I felt drawn to him bc he was honest and kind and easy to talk to. If he'd taken advantage of my crush, he would've been the exact opposite of the reasons I liked him! And it would've messed me up even more. I'm lucky my teacher crush wasn't an Ezra 🙃✋ fun fact he was a English teacher too so when I watched PLL for the first time at 20 years old, I got uncomfortable at the parallels 😬 like ... this could've been me 💀... jesus
it's like mr shue forgot he was a teacher... he legit thought he was a student like them lmao
I think Hulu did a decent job on their show called "A Teacher". They showed that the teenage boy was actually ruined after that relationship and he did not fantasize about it.
Can we talk about how many tv/movie LGBTQ+ relationships have this teacher-student dynamic? like that doesn't play into negative stereotypes or anything...
It's weird because watching these shows as a kid and preteen, I remember thinking how grown up teenagers seemed. Then I became a teenager and felt like something must be wrong with me and my friends because we didn't look or behave like the teens on these shows. Then I became an adult and realized that I was completely normal, and that teenagers do not look or act like this, and should not act like this. Hollywood has really distorted our views about childhood and teenage-hood.
I distinctly remember having no issue with Aria and Ezra the first time I watched PLL at like age 12. I rewatched the series around age 19-20 and was repulsed by the story line.
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My best friend’s older sister was being groomed/abused by our XC coach in high school. It wasn’t quirky. He was 57, she was a very shy 16 year old and a prodigy at running. We thought perhaps he just wanted to help her reach her full potential but we also knew something darker was going on, they were always talking on the phone outside school hours. We found out she’d been sleeping with him for over a year. He’d bring us to his house alone after meets to “hang out” which was also weird (that’s too normalized by TV as well) and we decided to raid his bedroom one night and found a lot of weird stuff but the worst was the piles of notes between them with him asking her to run away with him and get married. Her dad confronted him yet he would still show up at the house while I’d be over crying and begging to speak to her “we’re in love!!!!”, her dad finally threatened legal action and he fled. My friend later started sleeping with our 24 year old computer teacher at 14. I never told a soul. Her dad was also creepy and would always pay extra special attention to me, inviting me to the basement alone (while there’d be 6 of us sleeping over we) to look at his motorcycle and talk about boys. My friend got herpes in freshman year after sleeping with the whole senior class (18/19 year olds included) and disappeared for a month but that whole family dynamic was so messed up. I think about this every time I see this trope play out and it’s so not realistic, but that goes without saying. Rip to her Dad though, he battled throat cancer since we were in 3rd grade and died when we were 21 leaving his 3 beautiful daughters and a wife he hated and berated constantly behind.
The only time it’s okay to sleep with a teacher is when you’re an adult and they didn’t actually teach YOU
Miss Grundy is called a child predator in Riverdale more than once and is given as the reason for her death. So credit were the credit is due.
ok riverdale you riverdid good.
yes, iirc Archie was actually being pushed to break off the contact and the teacher was fired, maybe even sent out of town? Anyway she was more of a stepping stone or w/e to introduce the first murderer imo!
True, but they still glorified their relationship whether or not they said it was wrong
@@cherie..cherry Yes, I mean, it's still the CW, but I don't want it to be erased that that show did acknowledge the act and acknowledge she was a predator (they portrayed her as manipulative and predatory)
*It makes me so happy when I see "includes paid promotion" in my fav UA-camr's videos; get that bag sis*
I never watched gossip girl but I always assumed they were in their 20s and 30s. I didn't even know it was in a school setting.
That two second long furby edit will haunt me
2010s: Noone hates Twilight more than the Twilight cast
2020s: 1:32 Noone hates Riverdale more than the Riverdale cast
Omg I forgot about Archie and the teacher from season 1 in riverdale it’s been so long
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Tbh I kinda miss the "real life" scenarios, however messed up those were. I can't with the gargoyle king and serial killer dynasty lmao
so much cursed shit has happened since
@@itzmomo9 fucking what lmao
I am a teacher and I hate this trope with a burning passion. Media has made this teacher/student thing into something that teenagers might view as “desirable” when it is beyond fucked up. And because I know not all teachers have the same level of professionalism as some of us have, sadly there are some twisted individuals that take advantage of this.
Teenagers watching these shows and thinking that they want a similarly 'mature' relationship with an adult is a lot like a five year old seeing dog do tricks on TV and begging for one that they can totally train/take care of all by themselves. No, child, you're not ready for that yet, and when you ARE old enough to be ready to do those things, you'll realize that you were too young now.
0:02 *Strange Æons fandom arises from the depths*
My first thought haha!
16:10 but wouldn’t she have been 13? Because this happened 2 years before. In current time, the girls were 15 or 16, but Alison “died” 2 years before, which would mean that she was like 13 years old when Ezra got involved with Alison.
19:19 also, yes I would like a video on that.
Jesus Christ. Pretty Little Liars fucked up their timeline so I'm really hoping it was the case with that as well but if not I can't - 🤢
I only recently watched PLL for the first time and if I understand correctly, Alison was like 14/15 when she dated Ezra 🤢 bc she disappeared that summer and one year later the show starts with Aria coming back to Rosewood and she was 16. Then Aria and Ezra dated.
(And based on Ezra's long-lost son storyline(🤡), he was 25-ish in current time so he would've been like 23 when dating Alison... wtf 🙃🙃🙃)
Tara: you know there’s some tiktok POVs that are just...well I’ll just show you.
Me: **cringing to my bones** must you, though??
me: yeah fbi you might wanna arrest me just to make sure........what i'm watching has to be illegal somehow.
@yassi jass
They WHAT
@yassi jass Kin as in related or something else? Just wannabe sure before I triple down on never going on TikTok.
Being out of straight tiktok has saved me from cringey pov content like this tbh
@@ThexDynastxQueen
Seeing as I’m an incredibly private person irl, I doubt it’s relatives.
Just to be safe we should quadruple down on never using Tiktok.
In the last season of Shameless Tammy meets her high school teacher and we find out she had a relationship with him when she was a teenager. When Lip tells her it's weird she defends the affair saying they had something special and that she had been mature for her age. Later they meet his fiancee - a student (who also claims to be mature for her age) - and that's when Tammy realizes her teacher has taken advantage of her. She remembers that at that time she was in a really bad place - her mother had just died and she was craving attention. I think the writers did a good job there.
I am 23 and in college but have a teacher who I think is kinda attractive and my friend was like "go for him, you're both adults" but just thinking about it is weird af to me.
@anwne i would never but it's kinda akwkward because outside of college he would be totally my type. but the fact that he's my teacher isn't attractive to me at all. it's rather a turn off
I'd watch those friends
I'm 28 and I swear people think I'm 17, in a very very bad way. Like I'm an actual adult, but people are constantly like "where's your mother?". I remember watching those shows as a teen and feeling so weird about how I looked, because if now I look 17, imagine then, when I was actually 17 lol
Honestly same. I have a baby face and always get mistaken for a student. But it never stopped older men from hitting on me. 😤
@@shamidkpzd honestly in my experience it makes them more interested. A disproportionate amount of old creeps who have hit on me in my life have asked something like “what school do you go to” or “how’s school going?”
I can relate.
@@danicleckley5404 You can relate.
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This is giving me HELLA P3D0 VIBES💀✋🏾 I never understood the teacher-student scenarios, it’s *extremely* disgusting.
Nee nar 😂 I can't 🤦
Omg I need this on a shirt ASAP. 😂
I hate that they push this narrative so much 😭 I've had way too many friends in middle/high school that had crushes on, or even proclaimed love for, 30-50 year old teachers 😩 I feel like these shows just romanticize this dynamic too much
I mean in real life sometimes it's just an exaggeration, like a compliment, also a lot of times teens don't understand always the gravity of the things they say, the problem is when it's the teacher (an adult) to make the first moves
@@Aaditri44 not just the first moves but any moves and the moves better be shut down immediately.
@@feliciaann721 yes that's kinda the point of what I said(?) , teens don't always notice immediately red flags especially from manipulators, the first move could be passed off as an misunderstanding same for the second one, that's what I meant by " first moves" not always it's simple to understand a person's bad intentions, obviously it should be shutted down right in the moment but it's not that simple to notice (especially because the targets are usually shy and insicure)
And also why are relationships in highschool between a minor and a teacher more common in media than relationships in college between an adult and a teacher that is fairly close in age? The power dynamic is still kinda icky, but is way better than a grown ass teacher and their 17 years old student.
And if they want a teacher character to have a relationship why not just build them a relationship with another teacher? In these teen dramas they usually have at least a couple of teachers but you rarely see any of them get together. It might not be as dramatic but it would be far better than making them predators. Like in Glee Will Schuester was a terrible character but his relationship with Emma was probably one of the more healthy and sensible (as in it actually made sense) of the show. Carol and Burt (two of the main characters' parents) were also one of the strongest. There were quite a few teacher couples at my school and it's kinda weird but sweet when the students ship it haha.
@@tinyblueunicorn7807 True! It's such a better route overall, they can even make them teachers in a institution that has a rule against romantic relationships between staff members if they just want the “forbidden love” thing
Sorry, had to point this out real quick but 13:53. Sue Sylvester is rightfully portrayed as a villain, she did more than just shove someone downstairs, she is a downright creepy teacher that forces body issues onto her students and she is incredibly transphobic and mildly homophobic throughout the show. Not to mention the little bits of racism sprinkled through the show here and there. Schue and Sue are both terrible teachers and terrible people. Other than that I do agree with the video, I just think its a little bit bad to undermine the terrible things that character did.
*truth*
How is showing a character push someone down the stairs undermining how bad they are? When I see a character push someone down the stairs I think automatically they're a terrible human being. Tara was making a JOKE and showing us how awful Sue was. There was no defence of her.
I stopped watching the day she just slammed some kid into a locker because she was in a bad mood. F her and F that show.
Perfect timing. I'm currently rewatching PLL (I promised a friend we would. Mistakes were definitely made), and the narrative framing of the Ezra/Aria relationship has me wanting to hurl stuff into my screen. I especially love how the parents are portrayed as irrational and wrong for being against it. But then, older guys drooling over underage girls is kind of a running theme in the show.
As a minor i think the normalizing of adults relationships with minors disgusts me in general i remember when Nate in gossip girl when he was 15 and slept with 30 years old women n also she sleeps w her step son who is 15-16 gossip girl is full of these stories lol and strange life "a video game" when a girl like her teacher nd she's just 18 she is not even a "complete" adult just bc they look older IT DOSENT MEANT IT IS OK