Like many GM boo boos of the era, they finally got the Cimarron right in its last two years. The V6 Cimarron, along with style tweaks, was not awful. The model that really bombed for Cadillac was the Catera.
In my opinion, the Cimarron wasn't the worst because the GM J Cars weren't really that bad. The Cimarron was just guilty of bad badge engineering. The worst Cadillacs ever in my opinion wasn't the cars themselves, but it was the engines: the 1981 only V8-6-4 and the HT 4100 V8 from 1982-87. I would not include the 350 V8 Diesel because it's an Oldsmobile designed engine, not a Cadillac.
In Europe we have had the J-body as (Vauxhall) Cavalier or Opel Ascona too. It was a very reliable, useful and decent car. It's only serious issues were rust and boredom.
If the people that produced this video had done their homework they would know that the brochures and the salespeople only referred to this as “the Cimmaron by Cadillac”
*Research please!* Appalling untruth: Cadillac was NOT 2nd US car co. Duryea (1985), Oldsmobile (1897) and others predated Buick & Cadillac. Easy to find the info online!
Not worst car ever. He had three bad aspects: price (from 11k, like body-on-frame fullsize) and bad quality (assemblied in Freemont NUMMI, CA and second plant in San Diego), and light duty Hydramatic. That's my opinion.
Not sure if Cimmarron was trying to be a sports sedan, but it wasn't a bad car overall. Certainly not great- but not bad by econobox standards. The first Catera's were actually worse market wise than the Cimmarron. However, neither Cimmarron or Catera were worse than diesel powered models of the late 70's and early 80's. Early 80's Full size models had all the luxury and elegance anyone could ask for in a luxury car, but the HT4100 Powertrain was one of the worst powertrains of the entire decade. I'd say the worst Cadillacs were late 70's diesels followed by early 80's HT4100 powered cars. The Cimmarron was actually reliable and 85 on up models powered by the 2.8 performed quite well.
Fair point. I think much of the ire directed at the Cimarron is due to people perceiving Cadillac as being lazy with a rebadge instead of creating a more original model. That said, even if it's not their worst car, it's definitely still disappointing when put next to some of their best models.
@@2010HarleyDynaFXD The Escalade is a very impressive upscale version of the Tahoe, worthy of the Cadillac name. The Cimarron was an overpriced, underpowered, cheaply made, frumpy looking and totally unimpressive version of the Chevy Cavalier. The Cimarron was an embarrassment to the Cadillac name.
Bought new in 1988. The final year was okay. Mine had a bigger engine and GM pulled the plug. I traded the car in 1989 for new Mercedes. I don't believe the car was ever Cadillac quality. In. My opinion. Mine was okay and everything did work as it should. Thank you
I like to mention here we are in the 21st century and Cadillac was still at it with the elr. That was based on the volt, which itself was codeveloped on/with the Cruze which itself replaced the cobalt which replaced the cavalier. So relatively recent history tells us Cadillac is still at it. I believe that division is lost in trying to find itself in trying to be like its competitors. Few makes can pull off alphanumeric names and I dont believe Cadillac is one of them. There was a lot of clout in el Dorado, Seville, de ville, Fleetwood, names I will never forget. 20 years from now i will think, et5, xt6, what were those and who built them?
Its the plauge of the shitty podcars of the 21st century. Nothing is unique they're all identical colorless conformist angry-headlight blobs and Cadillac's personality is a casualty of that. Some say Cadillac became too depressed to fight it after GM killed Her girlfriend Oldsmobile. Others will say its something about japanese cars or whatever. But i know it, like most of the average american's problems is caused by capitalism and its infinite growth model allowing it to pretend like what customers want doesn't matter and brands pump out shittier and shittier products hyped up with garbage nobody wants and promoted by bot accounts nobody believes. But like store shelves full of migraine inducing LED light bulbs, capitalism doesn't believe in freedom of choice. Note, of course, that capitalism is an economic model that favors the rich and is only maintained by infinte growth. Its why cars and houses are unafforable and continue to get more expensive while minimum wage has stayed at the number $7.25 for decades while inflation rendered that number even less livable. Even $15 an hour is no longer livable, as it had been years ago when the fight for it began. Oh yeah and cars have been sharing models and platforms since the 1950s and earlier. To say this is just a Cadillac "fall from grace" makes ya sound like an ignorant fool with a chip on your shoulder. Idk maybe you are? If so then buy a car worth driving like the rest of us who hate this modern shit. So, blame the correct thing or muzzle your dog. End of story.
I don't know. If this is the worst Cadillac ever - and it was just a dreadful, dreadful car - the Caterra and the RIDICULOUSLY absurd identity-crisis-on-wheels called the Alanté are tied for a very close second worst.
The Cimarron was the same as all other GM "J" body cars they did the GM thing and went after BMW and other European cars (brought a pocket knife to a gun fight). The full size Caddys of the 70's that started to rust before the 36 mo. Loan was up would be call for worst.
Так и есть. У платформы J-body кузова асконовские (правда, подвеска и мелочи вроде моторного щита свои). Идея-то интересная, но он стоил от 11 тысяч долларов, как рамный фуллсайз в минималке. Салон не люксовый - у соплатформенных Кавальера и Фиренцы он почти такой же, но они в два раза дешевле. Вообще, эту платформу стоило отдать "спортивному" Понтиаку, пусть делает народный хотхетч и соревнуется с БМВ. А Кадиллаку - перейти на передний привод не в 85-86 году, а в 80-82, когда Х-боди поступила в массовое пр-во. Пораньше начать делать алюминиевый НТ-4000 серий и главное - не забрасывать технологию отключения цилиндров, а модернизировать её.
'... hit its peak in the '60s" with *photos of 1950s cars!!?* Creating posts must demand more than just aiming a camera. Do your homework PLEASE. Respect the topic.
Like many GM boo boos of the era, they finally got the Cimarron right in its last two years. The V6 Cimarron, along with style tweaks, was not awful. The model that really bombed for Cadillac was the Catera.
In my opinion, the Cimarron wasn't the worst because the GM J Cars weren't really that bad. The Cimarron was just guilty of bad badge engineering. The worst Cadillacs ever in my opinion wasn't the cars themselves, but it was the engines: the 1981 only V8-6-4 and the HT 4100 V8 from 1982-87. I would not include the 350 V8 Diesel because it's an Oldsmobile designed engine, not a Cadillac.
It wasn't that bad if you kept it in perspective. It was a comfy Chevrolet Cavalier.
It should have been way cheaper.
In Europe we have had the J-body as (Vauxhall) Cavalier or Opel Ascona too. It was a very reliable, useful and decent car. It's only serious issues were rust and boredom.
Boredom can be deadly.
I don't know why but the fact that you said boredom is an issue makes me stupidly happy.
If the people that produced this video had done their homework they would know that the brochures and the salespeople only referred to this as “the Cimmaron by Cadillac”
*Research please!* Appalling untruth: Cadillac was NOT 2nd US car co. Duryea (1985), Oldsmobile (1897) and others predated Buick & Cadillac. Easy to find the info online!
A correction has been added to the description. Cadillac is the 2nd oldest car company that still produces cars today.
Um, Arn, you may want to revisit and correct your post.. I think the Duryea Bros. were long gone by 1985.. 👍
Perhaps- but still better than anything out of Asia.
Perhaps the most eye popping statement in this video is that the Cavalier was once a competitor to the Accord. What a joke that has proven to be.
Not worst car ever. He had three bad aspects: price (from 11k, like body-on-frame fullsize) and bad quality (assemblied in Freemont NUMMI, CA and second plant in San Diego), and light duty Hydramatic. That's my opinion.
Not sure if Cimmarron was trying to be a sports sedan, but it wasn't a bad car overall. Certainly not great- but not bad by econobox standards. The first Catera's were actually worse market wise than the Cimmarron. However, neither Cimmarron or Catera were worse than diesel powered models of the late 70's and early 80's. Early 80's Full size models had all the luxury and elegance anyone could ask for in a luxury car, but the HT4100 Powertrain was one of the worst powertrains of the entire decade. I'd say the worst Cadillacs were late 70's diesels followed by early 80's HT4100 powered cars. The Cimmarron was actually reliable and 85 on up models powered by the 2.8 performed quite well.
Fair point. I think much of the ire directed at the Cimarron is due to people perceiving Cadillac as being lazy with a rebadge instead of creating a more original model. That said, even if it's not their worst car, it's definitely still disappointing when put next to some of their best models.
@@carcommemoration1409 Look at the Cadillac Escalade it's just a rebadged Tahoe/Suburban
@@2010HarleyDynaFXD The Escalade is a very impressive upscale version of the Tahoe, worthy of the Cadillac name. The Cimarron was an overpriced, underpowered, cheaply made, frumpy looking and totally unimpressive version of the Chevy Cavalier. The Cimarron was an embarrassment to the Cadillac name.
Bought new in 1988. The final year was okay. Mine had a bigger engine and GM pulled the plug. I traded the car in 1989 for new Mercedes.
I don't believe the car was ever Cadillac quality. In. My opinion. Mine was okay and everything did work as it should. Thank you
Oldsmobile was the oldest 1897
I like to mention here we are in the 21st century and Cadillac was still at it with the elr. That was based on the volt, which itself was codeveloped on/with the Cruze which itself replaced the cobalt which replaced the cavalier. So relatively recent history tells us Cadillac is still at it. I believe that division is lost in trying to find itself in trying to be like its competitors. Few makes can pull off alphanumeric names and I dont believe Cadillac is one of them. There was a lot of clout in el Dorado, Seville, de ville, Fleetwood, names I will never forget. 20 years from now i will think, et5, xt6, what were those and who built them?
Its the plauge of the shitty podcars of the 21st century. Nothing is unique they're all identical colorless conformist angry-headlight blobs and Cadillac's personality is a casualty of that.
Some say Cadillac became too depressed to fight it after GM killed Her girlfriend Oldsmobile. Others will say its something about japanese cars or whatever.
But i know it, like most of the average american's problems is caused by capitalism and its infinite growth model allowing it to pretend like what customers want doesn't matter and brands pump out shittier and shittier products hyped up with garbage nobody wants and promoted by bot accounts nobody believes. But like store shelves full of migraine inducing LED light bulbs, capitalism doesn't believe in freedom of choice.
Note, of course, that capitalism is an economic model that favors the rich and is only maintained by infinte growth. Its why cars and houses are unafforable and continue to get more expensive while minimum wage has stayed at the number $7.25 for decades while inflation rendered that number even less livable. Even $15 an hour is no longer livable, as it had been years ago when the fight for it began.
Oh yeah and cars have been sharing models and platforms since the 1950s and earlier. To say this is just a Cadillac "fall from grace" makes ya sound like an ignorant fool with a chip on your shoulder. Idk maybe you are? If so then buy a car worth driving like the rest of us who hate this modern shit.
So, blame the correct thing or muzzle your dog. End of story.
I don't know.
If this is the worst Cadillac ever - and it was just a dreadful, dreadful car - the Caterra and the RIDICULOUSLY absurd identity-crisis-on-wheels called the Alanté are tied for a very close second worst.
The Cimarron was the same as all other GM "J" body cars they did the GM thing and went after BMW and other European cars (brought a pocket knife to a gun fight). The full size Caddys of the 70's that started to rust before the 36 mo. Loan was up would be call for worst.
Catera has to be close contender.
Nice car
Yep
or the catera
Take your pick
I vote for the Caddy diesels👎
CADILLAC..MANY FAILURES IN THE LAST 40 YEARS..
"Опель Аскона" + немного люкс = "Кадиллак Симаррон". В то время недооценили компакт-лакшери. Идея была интересной
Так и есть. У платформы J-body кузова асконовские (правда, подвеска и мелочи вроде моторного щита свои). Идея-то интересная, но он стоил от 11 тысяч долларов, как рамный фуллсайз в минималке. Салон не люксовый - у соплатформенных Кавальера и Фиренцы он почти такой же, но они в два раза дешевле. Вообще, эту платформу стоило отдать "спортивному" Понтиаку, пусть делает народный хотхетч и соревнуется с БМВ. А Кадиллаку - перейти на передний привод не в 85-86 году, а в 80-82, когда Х-боди поступила в массовое пр-во. Пораньше начать делать алюминиевый НТ-4000 серий и главное - не забрасывать технологию отключения цилиндров, а модернизировать её.
I was thinking about the Cadillac Cimeran and now it was the worst. I put it in u tube and out came the Cimeran.
*Research please!* Oldsmobile was founded in 1897.
No The 864 engine was the worst
Thst's not a car, it's an engine. This vid is about the worst car.
'... hit its peak in the '60s" with *photos of 1950s cars!!?* Creating posts must demand more than just aiming a camera. Do your homework PLEASE. Respect the topic.