What about the Minsk 2 agreement which was supposed to give a degree of autonomy to the ethnically Russian part of Ukraine? Why was it never implemented? PH was discussing this on GB News yesterday.
@@seanmoran2743 you have no clue about this stuff yet... You could have stayed quiet and not make a dumbf*CK of yourself. Russian not neocon military complex is way worse then the western one. Especially when you look at it as a percentage of GDP. Western military complex doesn't make it's citizens live in poverty. Russian does. Of course, if I spoke with someone with half a brain that would be it. But You're gonna claim that there's poverty in the USA. Bo it isn't, were talking absolute poverty, Russia is the most unequal country in the world, most if the citizens are very poor. And instead of solving this issue Russian are spending resources on their imperialistic wet dream.
I like the gandalf vs orcs reference. I've changed my views over recent years and now find it extremely difficult to view the west as "the good guys" Not saying I think Russia is engaged in a righteous endeavor or anything, I'm just extremely sceptical of what we are told, especially regarding war. I find myself increasingly questioning the prevailing narratives of numerous subjects and events past and present.
No western country is engaged in anything righteous either. This is just realpolitik. What frustrates me is the cloak of moral righteousness. Let’s call it what it is and then debate the pros and cons. The debate is sadly non existent, which is a great loss!
Because it appeals to the infantile and feeble minded public in the West that only knows politics and history from the childish lens of popular culture.
Presumably 50 years ago a man like Hitchens would have said this is not 'David versus Goliath' or some other such Biblical reference. But now he has adapted to the modern religions and called it 'Gandalf versus the Orcs'.
I think it's more because those are the references apparently being used by troops on the ground... With Ukrainians referring to Russian troops as Orcs.
Well as Tolkien was a devout Roman Catholic who drew on our ancient history and legends Peter is drawing on Christianity However I believe that Tolkien saw the Orcs as twisted creatures made from good beings It’s my belief that Tolkien saw how someone good could be twisted to do evil while loathing themselves for doing it while serving at the front during the Somme. The Orc is us made evil by doing evil deeds
Peter Hitchens, is in my book at least,a very rare beast,a journalist I respect.He is the ONLY person I have read that has a genuine appreciation of why the British Police Service has declined so much in the past 40 or so years.A decline precipitated and engineered by our useless and arrogant politicians who have,once the stupidity of their meddling has become apparent, then blamed the very people they charged with implimenting their so-called reforms.As a person who was in the service from 1965-2001 I had to standby as government after government slowly deconstructed what was one of this nations greatest assests.Mr Hitchens also watched as this tragedy unfolded, I suspect rather like the early 30s.
On 20 February Hitchens opinion was that there was no way Russia would invade Ukraine now he says it was wholly forseeable. Sums up this man full of BS.
Why ever not? He likes reading I general both fiction and non fiction, and enjoys the LoTR books, and has seen at least The Fellowship of the Ring at the cinema.
Careful! Freedom of speech exists only on paper. It would be a shame to lose your channel. In "the west" you are told that it is your right to say whatever you want, but when you do, you get punished. At least in Russia, you know from the start what you can and cannot say.
No, freedom of speech is a real thing in the West, in Russia, not so much. I once made some comments on a politically sensitive matter here in the US and was investigated for my trouble. I didn't break any laws and made sure what I told them was true, eventually, the whole thing went away. Does the man from Uncle monitor my comments and communications? I'm sure he does, but a lot of other parties do as well. The man from Uncle didn't tell me to shut up though.
Mihail Ghinea I agree with Mihail Ghinea. People in the West can have their bank accounts frozen, lives, reputations, and careers ruined for saying the wrong things. Dirt will be dug up on them or even fabricated. What about Julian Assange? What about Tommy Robinson? The there's the increasing raft of hate speech laws and online censorship. No, the West is nothing like what it cracks itself up to be.
If the uk government was overthrown in a coup by a foreign power and neo nazis were running amuck in Scotland then yes there would be an argument for it.....
Peter Hitchens has never said that Russia's actions in Ukraine are justified. He doesn't even say that in the video that you've commented on. You may need to rewatch it.
@@pawelpap9 Not rooting for Russia my dude. Real Politik would suggest that Russia cannot lose. Putin wants Odessa and it will be hard for anyone to stop him, barring WW3
8 years of a hideous war, and rule by revolting militias modelled on the SS. Now celebrated as heroes by the warped and deranged MSM who think the war started 3 months ago.
I used to work for SBS radio in Melbourne and could see very unprofessional approach to work not only by the employees broadcasting in different languages but also by the management. It is strange that in twenty years since than the attitude towards journalism and the task to inform people (migrants) has not changed at all even has worsened. Maybe is time ABS as a sister of SBC takes serious steps to stop that kind of copy and paste attitude practiced by the “journalists” at SBS...
The ABC regularly posts blatant Ukrainian propaganda on Facebook. Also, for example, the ABC is never allowed to criticize Israel and it still tells listeners that Syria used 'chemical weapons against its own people'.
If Australia fails, if democracy in Australia fails, if the protection of human rights in Australia fail, where to? Freedom from arbitrary detention is different to freedom of movement, however, freedom from arbitrary detention by the state, unless according to law, is guaranteed by ICCPR Art 9, and is "applicable to all deprivation of liberty", with possible compensation for unlawful arrest or detention. When it comes to mandates for rat test(s), or social distancing, how are competing medico-legal issues, like medical trespass and consent, resolved - have adults had the ability to decide for themselves, as any adult over 18 might, and or, has that been taken away: in general, in health/medical, and or, in government? It sounds like so far, people have been advised of expectations, needs, requirements, but, are those opinions on rules according to laws, and if they are, where can the legislation for those rules be found; and, Can it be said that those rules are not inconsistent with established prevailing laws, (such as Freedom from arbitrary arest, informed consent, entitlement to refuse treatment, freedom of movement between states provided by the Australian Constitution, etc.); and, If Australia fails, if democracy in Australia fails, if the protection of human rights in Australia fail, where to? When it comes to Health Law, affecting health service practice, informed consent is needed, otherwise, it could be considered assault; and, This is part of the Australian Constitution .... Chapter 1: The Parliament: Part V: Powers of the Parliament. Section 51 "... subject to this Constitution, ... to make laws for the peace, order, and good government of the Commonwealth ... "; and, (xxiiiA) "... medical ... (but not so as to authorize any form of civil conscription)"; and, Chapter V: The States Section 116 ("Commonwealth not to legislate in respect of religion") "The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth."; and, There is an entitlement to refuse treatment at common law - for example, medical consent, Medical Treatment Act 1988(Vic); and, This is part of the Australian Constitution .... Section 109: When a law of a State is inconsistent with a law of the Commonwealth, the latter shall prevail, and the former shall, to the extent of the inconsistency, be invalid. www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Senate/Powers_practice_n_procedures/Constitution/chapter5 If Australia fails, if democracy in Australia fails, if the protection of human rights in Australia fail, where to? "International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR) - OHCHR (The Office of the High Commissioner for Human Right)" ... ? Common Siracusa Principles - "restrictions on human rights under the ICCPR must meet standards of legality, evidence-based necessity, proportionality, and gradualism."(.gov articles); and, While, "In time of public emergency which threatens the life of the nation and the existence of which is officially proclaimed, State Parties to the present Covenant may take measures derogating from their obligations under the present Covenant to the extent strictly required by the exigencies of the situation, provided that such measures are not inconsistent with their other obligations under international law and do not involve ... " Part II, Article 4, paragraph 1; and, "4. Anyone who is deprived of his liberty by arrest or detention shall be entitled to take proceedings before a court, in order that that court may decide without delay on the lawfulness of his detention and order his release if the detention is not lawful." Part III, Article 9, paragraph 4. www.ohchr.org/en/instruments-mechanisms/instruments/international-covenant-civil-and-political-rights If Australia fails, if democracy in Australia fails, if the protection of human rights in Australia fail, where to? Given the health/medical advice, how can the legislation be obtained for clarification of the law? Democracy without courts or access to courts and representation, is not a democracy. Courts are part of democracy. Even if, as a stand alone system or branch within democracy, some are not perceived to be democratic in process, if courts or access to courts and representation, disappeared, then, there would no longer be three branches of government nor a functioning democracy. Democracy without courts or access to courts and representation, is not a democracy. Courts are part of democracy. Which branches write the laws that the court's follow and for access to courts and representation? Democracy without courts or access to courts and representation, is not a democracy. Courts are part of democracy. It looks like interference of court processes from other countries, states, external, in a functioning democracy would be interference in government; and, With those involved in inteference, possibly seen as partaking in a category distinct and separate to things like, procedural fairness/due process, perverting the course of justice/the administration of the law/denial of natural justice ... obstruction); and, With those involved in inteference, possibly seen as partaking in terrorism: and, As individuals; Individual criminals; Not as a state; and With no immunity; even if, - sponsored by a state and working officially, - employed by a state, and or, - as a team. Otherwise: If courts or access to courts and representation, disappeared, then, there would no longer be three branches of government nor a functioning democracy; and, A sort of state where it seems, the situation and circumstances would make it possible, for: Another country to take over; and or, Other countries, states, external, to intervene. Democracy without courts or access to courts and representation, is not a democracy. Courts are part of democracy. If Australia fails, if democracy in Australia fails, if the protection of human rights in Australia fail, where to? Stay well. Peace. Eleonora Formato née Szczepanowski South Australia
Well he did say that the "Russia = evil Ukraine/west = good" narrative is not correct. Also there are several videos on UA-cam of Peter Hitchens saying that the Eastern expansion of NATO was in part responsible for making the conflict more likely.
I think Peter needs to read and know Tolkien better. Tolkien’s work wasn’t just simple surface good and evil But then maybe he does know but this is not the time for such things The Orcs were once good beings twisted by Evil to do Evil Things even though they despised themselves for doing it ! They came to loath beauty and a higher purpose and sought to twist beauty when ever they could so that they could only mock. My personal belief is that Tolkien saw what good people did in the trenches and at the Somme during The Great War (Remember most men were ordinary volunteers and then Conscripts) There are many accounts of people being shocked back in Britain at how once good people talked about the casual killing and maiming of others and that some enjoyed it while realising what they had become capable of The Orc is in all of us given the right circumstances 😢 This was shocking to many at the time. Remember Tolkien’s work is Catholic Theology wrapped up in myth and legends For more there’s an acted out discussion between Tolkien and C S Lewis on UA-cam Ps I am aware that Peter is talking about how virtuous our elites are and that they believe they are good while Russians are the Orcs
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The media leaves out who actually owns the media
Excellent men.
What about the Minsk 2 agreement which was supposed to give a degree of autonomy to the ethnically Russian part of Ukraine? Why was it never implemented? PH was discussing this on GB News yesterday.
What about it? Your understanding is that
Russia fulfilled it in any way? Well, you're dead wrong, you felt victim to propaganda, I'm sorry for you.
@@6Oko6Demona6 Says the voice of the military industrial complex and its Neo Liberal and Neo Con Allies
@@seanmoran2743 you have no clue about this stuff yet... You could have stayed quiet and not make a dumbf*CK of yourself. Russian not neocon military complex is way worse then the western one. Especially when you look at it as a percentage of GDP. Western military complex doesn't make it's citizens live in poverty. Russian does. Of course, if I spoke with someone with half a brain that would be it. But You're gonna claim that there's poverty in the USA.
Bo it isn't, were talking absolute poverty, Russia is the most unequal country in the world, most if the citizens are very poor. And instead of solving this issue Russian are spending resources on their imperialistic wet dream.
I like the gandalf vs orcs reference.
I've changed my views over recent years and now find it extremely difficult to view the west as "the good guys"
Not saying I think Russia is engaged in a righteous endeavor or anything, I'm just extremely sceptical of what we are told, especially regarding war.
I find myself increasingly questioning the prevailing narratives of numerous subjects and events past and present.
the west is far from perfect but compared to China and Russia the west are definitely are the 'good' guys.
No western country is engaged in anything righteous either. This is just realpolitik. What frustrates me is the cloak of moral righteousness. Let’s call it what it is and then debate the pros and cons. The debate is sadly non existent, which is a great loss!
The West is decaying. Everything about it is false and rigged.
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It is not about righteous it is about which empire you want running the World. Do you want the West to run it or the others?
This should be shouted from the rooftops!
(Have you noticed recorded evidence for these many wrongdoings are now memory holed?)
Coverage of the war is one sided and they make it sound like it's Gandolf vs the Orcs .
Because it appeals to the infantile and feeble minded public in the West that only knows politics and history from the childish lens of popular culture.
Gandalf versus the orcs
Putin versus the CIA
The media are on the wrong side
@@clivecowlard7098 Are you in the pay of the enemy, putin?
It's Polish vs. Germans in 1939.
And don't forget what happened after Poland fell.
@@Kurtlane you been there?
Presumably 50 years ago a man like Hitchens would have said this is not 'David versus Goliath' or some other such Biblical reference. But now he has adapted to the modern religions and called it 'Gandalf versus the Orcs'.
Possibly yes, but David and Goliath would not work, as Hitchens reference was to a good vs evil scenario, rather than a big vs small one.
I think it's more because those are the references apparently being used by troops on the ground... With Ukrainians referring to Russian troops as Orcs.
Well as Tolkien was a devout Roman Catholic who drew on our ancient history and legends
Peter is drawing on Christianity
However I believe that Tolkien saw the Orcs as twisted creatures made from good beings
It’s my belief that Tolkien saw how someone good could be twisted to do evil while loathing themselves for doing it while serving at the front during the Somme.
The Orc is us made evil by doing evil deeds
Peter Hitchens, is in my book at least,a very rare beast,a journalist I respect.He is the ONLY person I have read that has a genuine appreciation of why the British Police Service has declined so much in the past 40 or so years.A decline precipitated and engineered by our useless and arrogant politicians who have,once the stupidity of their meddling has become apparent, then blamed the very people they charged with implimenting their so-called reforms.As a person who was in the service from 1965-2001 I had to standby as government after government slowly deconstructed what was one of this nations greatest assests.Mr Hitchens also watched as this tragedy unfolded, I suspect rather like the early 30s.
Lucky the USA is on the good side ,,,,,,,as always USA ,,USA ,,,, the fouling pit ,,,NO thank you''''
Oliver Stone.. “Ukraine on fire”
Oliver Stone.... "Vlad Putin, why I love him"
On 20 February Hitchens opinion was that there was no way Russia would invade Ukraine now he says it was wholly forseeable. Sums up this man full of BS.
Have you good the direct quote Adrian ? Or are you hearing what you want to on hear
I’m asking and not judging.
Ps he’s not omnipotent you know 🙄
@@seanmoran2743 ua-cam.com/video/1FXJWExvcao/v-deo.html
I never thought I'd see Peter Hitchens make a Lord of the Rings reference.
Why ever not? He likes reading I general both fiction and non fiction, and enjoys the LoTR books, and has seen at least The Fellowship of the Ring at the cinema.
Careful! Freedom of speech exists only on paper. It would be a shame to lose your channel. In "the west" you are told that it is your right to say whatever you want, but when you do, you get punished. At least in Russia, you know from the start what you can and cannot say.
Sure man, Russia is a lot better in that way! How about you come and live here then?
No, freedom of speech is a real thing in the West, in Russia, not so much. I once made some comments on a politically sensitive matter here in the US and was investigated for my trouble. I didn't break any laws and made sure what I told them was true, eventually, the whole thing went away. Does the man from Uncle monitor my comments and communications? I'm sure he does, but a lot of other parties do as well. The man from Uncle didn't tell me to shut up though.
Lol, lame
Mihail Ghinea I agree with Mihail Ghinea. People in the West can have their bank accounts frozen, lives, reputations, and careers ruined for saying the wrong things. Dirt will be dug up on them or even fabricated. What about Julian Assange? What about Tommy Robinson? The there's the increasing raft of hate speech laws and online censorship. No, the West is nothing like what it cracks itself up to be.
@@jerryrichardson2799 I would love to hear details of your amazing story. If only I wasn’t sure you made it up. Who investigated you? School board?
There are Scots who want to leave the UK. So what?!
It doesn't mean that a militarised occupation of Scotland is justified.
Peter Hitchens' logic 🤔
If the uk government was overthrown in a coup by a foreign power and neo nazis were running amuck in Scotland then yes there would be an argument for it.....
Peter Hitchens has never said that Russia's actions in Ukraine are justified. He doesn't even say that in the video that you've commented on. You may need to rewatch it.
Yes that's the point. Destroy another country just because it has some internal dissent? Russia has stepped way over the line.
@@dankyte766 he is too 'virtuous' to consider other side of a story
If Scots wanted to join Russian or Chinese alliance, And banned English language, you would invade them
"The West" will not tell you that the imperial province of Novorossiya will be ceded to Russia before 2023.
It is 2023 and nothing like that happened. Happy?
@@pawelpap9 Not rooting for Russia my dude. Real Politik would suggest that Russia cannot lose. Putin wants Odessa and it will be hard for anyone to stop him, barring WW3
Ukraine is losing the war .
Really? Based on what? Is it fun being a tool, er, troll for putin?
We'll se who is losing.
@@jerryrichardson2799 I guess the Washington post is a tool too .
Is that a surprise?
@@jerryrichardson2799 Col Douglas Macgregor is an interesting listen if you have an open mind which I doubt
Prove me wrong
Good God! So much mumbling! Are these guys even speaking English? I can't tell!
And we still dont know what happened in ukraine..what did mr hitchens just mumble?
8 years of a hideous war, and rule by revolting militias modelled on the SS. Now celebrated as heroes by the warped and deranged MSM who think the war started 3 months ago.
doomer hitchens is such a mumbler I have to turn the audio up to hear his words of doom
Deaf aids are quite inconspicuous these days. Go for it.
@@22448824 not deaf..and..maybe hitchens should see a professional about his stammering, stuttering problem..im thinking medical marijuana might help.
Every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord
Sure, baby.
I used to work for SBS radio in Melbourne and could see very unprofessional approach to work not only by the employees broadcasting in different languages but also by the management.
It is strange that in twenty years since than the attitude towards journalism and the task to inform people (migrants) has not changed at all even has worsened. Maybe is time ABS as a sister of SBC takes serious steps to stop that kind of copy and paste attitude practiced by the “journalists” at SBS...
The ABC regularly posts blatant Ukrainian propaganda on Facebook. Also, for example, the ABC is never allowed to criticize Israel and it still tells listeners that Syria used 'chemical weapons against its own people'.
Still living in the shadow of his brother
Hitchens really is the undisputed King of prattle isn't he??
Exactly ...well said!
the combination of random noise in my area combined with this interview's poor placing of microphones, makes this conversation a torture to listen to.
If Australia fails, if democracy in Australia fails, if the protection of human rights in Australia fail, where to?
Freedom from arbitrary detention is different to freedom of movement, however, freedom from arbitrary detention by the state, unless according to law, is guaranteed by ICCPR Art 9, and is "applicable to all deprivation of liberty", with possible compensation for unlawful arrest or detention.
When it comes to mandates for rat test(s), or social distancing, how are competing medico-legal issues, like medical trespass and consent, resolved - have adults had the ability to decide for themselves, as any adult over 18 might, and or, has that been taken away: in general, in health/medical, and or, in government?
It sounds like so far, people have been advised of expectations, needs, requirements, but, are those opinions on rules according to laws, and if they are, where can the legislation for those rules be found; and,
Can it be said that those rules are not inconsistent with established prevailing laws, (such as Freedom from arbitrary arest, informed consent, entitlement to refuse treatment, freedom of movement between states provided by the Australian Constitution, etc.); and,
If Australia fails, if democracy in Australia fails, if the protection of human rights in Australia fail, where to?
When it comes to Health Law, affecting health service practice, informed consent is needed, otherwise, it could be considered assault; and,
This is part of the Australian Constitution ....
Chapter 1: The Parliament: Part V: Powers of the Parliament.
Section 51 "... subject to this Constitution, ... to make laws for the peace, order, and good government of the Commonwealth ... "; and,
(xxiiiA) "... medical ... (but not so as to authorize any form of civil conscription)"; and,
Chapter V: The States
Section 116 ("Commonwealth not to legislate in respect of religion")
"The Commonwealth shall not make any law for establishing any religion, or for imposing any religious observance, or for prohibiting the free exercise of any religion, and no religious test shall be required as a qualification for any office or public trust under the Commonwealth."; and,
There is an entitlement to refuse treatment at common law - for example, medical consent, Medical Treatment Act 1988(Vic); and,
This is part of the Australian Constitution ....
Section 109:
When a law of a State is inconsistent with a law of the Commonwealth, the latter shall prevail,
and the former shall,
to the extent of the inconsistency,
be invalid.
www.aph.gov.au/About_Parliament/Senate/Powers_practice_n_procedures/Constitution/chapter5
If Australia fails, if democracy in Australia fails, if the protection of human rights in Australia fail, where to?
"International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR) - OHCHR (The Office of the High Commissioner for Human Right)" ... ?
Common Siracusa Principles - "restrictions on human rights under the ICCPR must meet standards of legality, evidence-based necessity, proportionality, and gradualism."(.gov articles); and,
While, "In time of public emergency which threatens the life of the nation and the existence of which is officially proclaimed, State Parties to the present Covenant may take measures derogating from their obligations under the present Covenant to the extent strictly required by the exigencies of the situation, provided that such measures are not inconsistent with their other obligations under international law and do not involve ... " Part II, Article 4, paragraph 1; and,
"4. Anyone who is deprived of his liberty by arrest or detention shall be entitled to take proceedings before a court, in order that that court may decide without delay on the lawfulness of his detention and order his release if the detention is not lawful." Part III, Article 9, paragraph 4.
www.ohchr.org/en/instruments-mechanisms/instruments/international-covenant-civil-and-political-rights
If Australia fails, if democracy in Australia fails, if the protection of human rights in Australia fail, where to?
Given the health/medical advice, how can the legislation be obtained for clarification of the law?
Democracy without courts or access to courts and representation, is not a democracy. Courts are part of democracy.
Even if, as a stand alone system or branch within democracy, some are not perceived to be democratic in process, if courts or access to courts and representation, disappeared, then, there would no longer be three branches of government nor a functioning democracy.
Democracy without courts or access to courts and representation, is not a democracy. Courts are part of democracy.
Which branches write the laws that the court's follow and for access to courts and representation?
Democracy without courts or access to courts and representation, is not a democracy. Courts are part of democracy.
It looks like interference of court processes from other countries, states, external, in a functioning democracy would be interference in government; and,
With those involved in inteference, possibly seen as partaking in a category distinct and separate to things like, procedural fairness/due process, perverting the course of justice/the administration of the law/denial of natural justice ... obstruction); and,
With those involved in inteference, possibly seen as partaking in terrorism: and,
As individuals;
Individual criminals;
Not as a state; and
With no immunity; even if,
- sponsored by a state and working officially,
- employed by a state, and or,
- as a team.
Otherwise:
If courts or access to courts and representation, disappeared, then, there would no longer be three branches of government nor a functioning democracy; and,
A sort of state where it seems, the situation and circumstances would make it possible, for:
Another country to take over; and or,
Other countries, states, external, to intervene.
Democracy without courts or access to courts and representation, is not a democracy. Courts are part of democracy.
If Australia fails, if democracy in Australia fails, if the protection of human rights in Australia fail, where to?
Stay well. Peace.
Eleonora Formato née Szczepanowski
South Australia
Good on you Peter ... I regard home as a right winger but he is very vocal on NATO and their eastward expansion.
NATO did not expand eastwards. Somebody misled you. Former Soviet dominated countries ran towards nato seeking security.
HItchens's mumbling is getting worse.
I hadn’t noticed any mumbling. Maybe it’s your hearing?
@@22448824 No, he mumbles. And its getting worse.
No where near as bad as Chomsky, but then again, Chomsky's a dinosaur.
I didn’t notice but he is older now, don’t forget and age effects the throat and voice
Too much going around saying nothing, no balls to call out the hipocresy of western! US and NATO to blame as well.
Well he did say that the "Russia = evil Ukraine/west = good" narrative is not correct.
Also there are several videos on UA-cam of Peter Hitchens saying that the Eastern expansion of NATO was in part responsible for making the conflict more likely.
I think Peter needs to read and know Tolkien better.
Tolkien’s work wasn’t just simple surface good and evil
But then maybe he does know but this is not the time for such things
The Orcs were once good beings twisted by Evil to do Evil Things even though they despised themselves for doing it !
They came to loath beauty and a higher purpose and sought to twist beauty when ever they could so that they could only mock.
My personal belief is that Tolkien saw what good people did in the trenches and at the Somme during The Great War (Remember most men were ordinary volunteers and then Conscripts)
There are many accounts of people being shocked back in Britain at how once good people talked about the casual killing and maiming of others and that some enjoyed it while realising what they had become capable of
The Orc is in all of us given the right circumstances 😢
This was shocking to many at the time.
Remember Tolkien’s work is Catholic Theology wrapped up in myth and legends
For more there’s an acted out discussion between Tolkien and C S Lewis on UA-cam
Ps I am aware that Peter is talking about how virtuous our elites are and that they believe they are good while Russians are the Orcs
Sorry, you lied to us in the west. We know it. Too late to be back peddling so just stop.