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КОМЕНТАРІ • 29

  • @ostorjulien2562
    @ostorjulien2562 День тому +11

    10:10 there is a mistake, the equation should be t^2+2t-2 = 0, and this one has 2 real solutions

  • @raghvendrasingh1289
    @raghvendrasingh1289 День тому +3

    A^2+B^2 = 8 where A= x , B = x/(x-1) hence A+B = AB
    (A+B)^2 - 2 AB = 8
    (AB)^2 -2 AB -8 = 0
    (AB +2) (AB - 4) = 0
    AB = - 2 , 4
    x^2/(x-1) = - 2 , 4
    x^2 + 2x - 2 = 0 , x^2 - 4x +4 = 0
    x= -1+√3 , -1 - √3 , 2

  • @mmk9456aust
    @mmk9456aust День тому +6

    x⁴-2x³-6x²+16x-8=0
    x³(x-2)-2(3x²-8x+4)=0
    x³(x-2)-2(x-2)(3x-2)=0
    (x-2)(x³-6x+4)=0
    either x=2 or
    x³-4x-2x+4=0
    x(x²-4)-2(x-2)=0
    x(x-2)(x+2)-2(x-2)=0
    (x-2)(x²+2x-2)=0
    either x=2 or
    x=-1±√3

  • @Chacal0152
    @Chacal0152 День тому +6

    X = 2 OR X = -1±V3 ,

  • @mcwulf25
    @mcwulf25 День тому

    If you want to graph it, take eqn 1 and factorise it
    (x-1)(y-1) = 1
    This iz a rectangular hyperbola centred on (1,1)
    The solutions are where it intersects with the circle in eqn 2.

  • @hach1koko
    @hach1koko День тому

    first notice that 2 is an obvious solution, and d/dx((x^2-8)(x-1)^2+x^2)=2(2x^3 - 3 x^2 - 6 x + 8) is also 0 for x=2 so 2 is a root of order 2 : (x^2-8)(x-1)^2+x^2=(x-2)^2(x^2+ax+b) for some a and b, identifying the coefficients yield a=2, b=-2, and the two remaining roots are easy to compute (sqrt(3)-1 and -1-sqrt(3))

  • @WahranRai
    @WahranRai День тому +1

    Obvious solution x=2 : 2^2 + (2/2-1)^2 = 4 + 4 = 8
    Multiply both sides by (x-1)^2 in order to remove the denominator (with x ≠1)➔
    x^4 - 2*x^3 - 6*x^2 + 16*x - 8 = 0 ➔ polynomial division by x-2 ➔
    x^4 - 2*x^3 - 6*x^2 + 16*x - 8 = (x-2)*(x^3- 6*x+4) = (x-2)*(x-2)*(x^2+2*x -2) = 0 ➔
    x = 2 (double root) and x = -1 +- sqrt(3)

  • @StaR-uw3dc
    @StaR-uw3dc День тому

    Other approach - completing the square:
    x²+(x/(x-1))²+2(x)(x/(x-1))-2(x)(x/(x-1)) = 8
    (x+x/(x-1))²-2x²/(x-1) = 8
    ((x²+x-x)/(x-1))²-2x²/(x-1) = 8
    (x²/(x-1))²-2x²/(x-1)-8 = 0
    We get the quadratic in x²/(x-1) with two roots: x²/(x-1)=4 or x²/(x-1)=-2 i.e. x²-4x+4=0 or x²+2x-2=0.
    Finally we get 4 real roots: x=2 (double), x=-1+√3, x=-1-√3

  • @curtisnotestine3134
    @curtisnotestine3134 День тому

    I just looked at the problem and in 6 seconds came up with x = 2. I'll work a bit longer to see if other solutions exist.

  • @eduardovillacis1049
    @eduardovillacis1049 День тому

    Please check your microphone position. The tapping of your stylus on the screen sounds almost as loud as your voice. Thank you for your videos!

  • @pwmiles56
    @pwmiles56 День тому

    In the quartic expansion
    x^4 - 2x^3 - 6x"2 + 16x - 8 = 0
    put x = 2u
    16u^4 - 16u^3 - 24u^2 + 32u - 8 = 0
    2u^4 - 2u^3 - 3u"2 + 4u - 1 = 1 [1]
    Sum of coefficients is 0 so u=1, x=2 is a solution.
    Since x/(x-1) is involutive i.e. self-inverse, if x is a solution so is x/(x-1). With x=2, x/(x-1)=2. So x=2 is a repeated root, likewise u=1. Dividing [1] by (u-1)^2=(u^2 - 2u + 1) leaves
    2u^2 + 2u - 1 = 0
    u = (-2 +/- sqrt(4+8))/4
    u = (-1 +/- sqrt(3))/2
    x = -1 +/- sqrt(3)

  • @prollysine
    @prollysine День тому +1

    (x-2)(x-2)(x^2+2x-2)=0 ,

  • @giuseppemalaguti435
    @giuseppemalaguti435 День тому +1

    x^4-2x^3-6x^2+16x-8=0..x^4-16-2x^3-6x^2+16x+8=0..(x^4-16)-(2x^3+6x^2-16x-8)=0...(x^2+4)(x^2-4)-2(x-2)(x^2+5x+2)=0...quindi una prima soluzione è x=2...semplifico rimane una cubica x^3-6x+4=0..(x-2)(x^2+2x-2)=0...ancora x=2,inoltre x=-1+√3,x=-1-√3

  • @parimalpandya9645
    @parimalpandya9645 День тому

    How nice 😊

  • @scottleung9587
    @scottleung9587 День тому

    I actually got three real solutions for x, one of them being a double root.

  • @mcwolfbeast
    @mcwolfbeast День тому

    Is it weird that I could do this in my head in ~3 seconds?

    • @mcwulf25
      @mcwulf25 День тому

      The complex solutions too?

  • @philipfoy7117
    @philipfoy7117 День тому

    Crazy! I did this problem in my head with u sub and came up with {2, -1+-√3} for x.

  • @Quest3669
    @Quest3669 День тому

    I got via 4+ 4 = 8 .... Its done
    X= 2

  • @NadiehFan
    @NadiehFan День тому

    These types of equations seem to be tremendously popular on UA-cam math channels. You already discussed this same equation a year ago, but unlike this time, you got it right then:
    ua-cam.com/video/dS38tvwlPj4/v-deo.html
    My preferred method to solve this equation is to start by multiplying both sides by (x − 1)² to get rid of the fraction. Then we can proceed as follows:
    x²(x − 1)² + x² = 8(x − 1)²
    x²(x² − 2x + 1) + x² = 8(x − 1)²
    x²(x² − 2x + 2) = 8(x − 1)²
    (x² − x + 1 + (x − 1))(x² − x + 1 − (x − 1)) = 8(x − 1)²
    (x² − x + 1)² − (x − 1)² = 8(x − 1)²
    (x² − x + 1)² − 9(x − 1)² = 0
    (x² − x + 1 − 3(x − 1))(x² − x + 1 + 3(x − 1)) = 0
    (x² − 4x + 4)(x² + 2x − 2) = 0
    x² − 4x + 4 = 0 ∨ x² + 2x − 2 = 0
    (x − 2)² = 0 ∨ (x + 1)² − 3 = 0
    x = 2 ∨ x = −1 + √3 ∨ x = −1 − √3
    All that was needed was the difference of two squares identity, first to convert the product x²(x² − 2x + 2) at the left hand side into a difference of two squares (x² − x + 1)² − (x − 1)², and then, after reducing the right hand side to zero, once again to factor the left hand side (x² − x + 1)² − 9(x − 1)² into two quadratics.
    You can turn any product of two quantities into a difference of two squares by taking their average and rewriting the quantities as their average plus and minus half their difference. Here we had the product of x² and x² − 2x + 2. Their average is x² − x + 1 and their difference is 2x − 2 = 2(x − 1) so we have x² = (x² − x + 1) + (x − 1) and x² − 2x + 2 = (x² − x + 1) − (x − 1). Using the difference of two squares identity (a − b)(a + b) = a² − b² we can therefore rewrite the product x²(x² − 2x + 2) as (x² − x + 1)² − (x − 1)².
    With regard to your first method which, as so often, you didn't finish, there is _no need to depress a quartic in order to solve it_ using Ferrari's method. At 1:15 you have:
    x⁴ − 2x³ + 2x² = 8x² − 16x + 8
    Subtract x² from both sides to make the left hand side into a perfect square which gives us
    (x² − x)² = 7x² − 16x + 8
    Now we need to create a perfect square on the right hand side as well, but we need to do that in such a way that the left hand side will remain a perfect square. Taking any number k we can add 2k(x² − x) + k² to both sides, which gives us
    (x² − x)² + 2k(x² − x) + k² = 7x² − 16x + 8 + 2k(x² − x) + k²
    so we get
    (x² − x + k)² = (2k + 7)x² − (2k + 16)x + (k² + 8)
    The left hand side remains a perfect square regardless of the value of k, so we are now free to choose k in such a way that the right hand side will also become a perfect square. The quadratic in x at the right hand side will be a perfect square if its discriminant is zero, that is, if k satisfies (2k + 16)² − 4(2k + 7)(k² + 8) = 0. This is a cubic equation in k, but most of the time quartic equations with integer coefficients from competitions have a nice factorization into two quadratics with integer coefficients in which case we can save ourselves the effort of resolving the cubic equation in k formally.
    If our equation has a nice factorization into two quadratics with integer coefficients, then there must exist a value of k which makes the right hand side of our equation a square of a linear polynomial in x with an _integer coefficient_ of x, so the coefficient (2k + 7) of x² at the right hand side must then be the _square of an integer._ Also, the constant term (k² + 8) must then be the _square of a rational number_ (not necessarily the square of an integer since there are odd multiples of ½ for k which make 2k + 7 the square of an integer).
    So, we only need to test values of k which make 2k + 7 equal to 1, 4, 9 ..., that is, k = −3, −1½, 1... and see if this makes k² + 8 the square of a rational number (actually, the square of an integer multiple of ½). Then, we quickly find that k = 1 fits the bill because this makes 2k + 7 = 9 = 3² while k² + 8 = 9 = 3² is also the square of an integer. Choosing k = 1 our equation
    (x² − x + k)² = (2k + 7)x² − (2k + 16)x + (k² + 8)
    becomes
    (x² − x + 1)² = 9x² − 18x + 9
    which is
    (x² − x + 1)² = (3x − 3)²
    Bringing over the square from the right hand side to the left hand side we have
    (x² − x + 1)² − (3x − 3)² = 0
    and applying the difference of two squares identity to the left hand side this gives
    (x² − 4x + 4)(x² + 2x − 2) = 0
    and the zero product property then implies that we have
    x² − 4x + 4 = 0 ∨ x² + 2x − 2 = 0
    so we end up with the exact same quadratic equations as in my first method.

  • @rezqbarakat2362
    @rezqbarakat2362 День тому

    The correct solution is ..
    let x = u + 1
    (u + 1)^2 + (u + 1 / u)^2 - 8 = 0
    (u + 1)^2 + (u^-1 + 1)^2 - 8 = 0
    u^2 + 2u + 1 + u^-2 + 2u^-1 + 1 - 8 = 0
    (u^2 + 2 + u^-2) + (2u + 2u^-1) - 8 = 0
    (u + u^-1)^2 + 2(u + u^-1) - 8 = 0
    let (u + u^-1) = t
    t^2 + 2t - 8 = 0
    .
    .
    .
    x = 2;
    x = -1 + sqrt(3);
    x = -1 - sqrt(3);

  • @Chacal0152
    @Chacal0152 День тому

    x ≠ 1, a = x/(x-1) => ax-a = x => x+a = ax and x²+y² = 8 = (x+a)²-2ax => 8+1 = (ax-1)²
    ax = 1±3 => ax = 4 = a+x => x(4-x) = 4 => x²-4x +4 = 0 => x = 2 or ax = -2 = a+x => x(-2-x) = -2 => x² +2x -2 = 0 = (x+1)²-3 => x = -1±V3

  • @cav1928
    @cav1928 День тому

    There are only 3 solutions, all reals: x1=2 ; x2=-1+3^0.5 ; x3=-1-3^0.5.

    • @WahranRai
      @WahranRai День тому

      No ! 4 solutions : x1 =2 is double root, x2=-1+3^0.5 ; x3=-1-3^0.5.

  • @rakenzarnsworld2
    @rakenzarnsworld2 День тому

    x = 2

  • @Don-Ensley
    @Don-Ensley День тому

    problem
    x² + [ x / ( x - 1 ) ]² = 8
    Let
    u = x - 1
    x = u + 1
    ( u + 1 )² + [ ( u + 1 ) / u ]² = 8
    Factor out ( u + 1 )²
    ( u + 1 )² [ 1 + 1 / (u²) ] = 8
    ( u + 1 )² ( u² + 1 ) / (u²) = 8
    ( u + 1 )² ( u² + 1 ) - 8 u² = 0
    ( u² + 1 ) ( u² + 2u + 1 ) - 8 u² = 0
    Expand. Put into standard form.
    u⁴ + 2 u³ + u² + u² + 2u + 1 -8 u² = 0
    u⁴ + 2 u³- 6 u² + 2u + 1 = 0
    Σ coeffs. = 0, u = 1 is a root, u-1 a factor.
    u⁴ + 2 u³- 6 u² + 2u + 1 = 0
    (u-1) u³ + 3 (u-1) u²-3(u-1) u-(u-1) = 0
    (u-1) (u³ + 3 u²-3 u - 1) = 0
    By zero-product property
    u³ + 3 u²-3 u - 1 = 0
    Σ coeffs. = 0, u = 1 is a root, u-1 a factor.
    ( u = 1 is a double root )
    (u-1) u² + 4 (u-1) u + (u-1) = 0
    (u-1) ( u² + 4 u + 1 ) = 0
    By zero-product property
    u² + 4 u + 1 = 0
    By the quadratic formula
    u = -2 ± √3
    All the distinct u roots are then
    u = 1
    u = -2 - √3
    u = -2 + √3
    Back substitute x = u + 1
    x = 2
    x = -1 - √3
    x = -1 + √3
    answer
    x ∈ { -1 -√3, -1 +√3, 2 }

  • @vladimirkaplun5774
    @vladimirkaplun5774 День тому

    Again!!