Bad Meaning Good (1987) UK Hip Hop Documentary
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- Опубліковано 4 січ 2013
- Bad Meaning Good is a BBC documentary originally aired on TV in 1987 and put together by Tim Westwood.
The documentary provides an insight into how the culture emerged in London and who the key figures in the scene were
The video features Pride, Daddy Speedo, Fly Boy Dee, MC Crazy Noddy, London Posse, Trevor Nelson, Sipho, Run DMC, DJ Fingers, Cookie Crew, Wee Papa Girl Rappers and more.
Capital rap show with Tim Westwood back in the days quality, recorded on the TDK 90's on the stereo. Happy days!
Mike allen
+Robert Berryman Exactly
RIP 'THE BOSS'.....
Hand Up if you remember Westwood show on LWR back in 83/84 , first at midnight wed/thur and then daily.
yep ,, used to stay up late hugging my tape deck , press record , hit the playground the next day ready to give it some floor rocking.
I used to listen to the weekday show 4-6 and tape it too. A couple of big moments on the Westwood show for me were when he interviewed David Toop (That was the 3 hour Sunday Show) about his book Rap Attack (African Jive To New York Hip Hop) I think that was the show I first heard Do or Die Bedsty by Divine Sounds.
I also remember when Westwood first played Rebel Without A Pause by Public Enemy - It brought in a new era in Hip Hop. That Screaming Sax was mind blowing!
Tim Westwood also played the Payoff Mixes (Parts 1-3) that was a big influence me....
I'll shut up now.....
@@DylanBuckle wow he goes back that far
If there is one thing I appreciate with UK hip-hop is the incorporation of British accents in rap especially London Posse. The earlier groups sound American!
Wee Papa Girl Rappers sounded v british to me.
Didn't realise there were so many Americans in London ha
@@KeirBo And Cookie Crew. There were UK crews trying to sound American though - Hijack were definitely culprits.
That was before UK Hip-Hop had its own identity as it was mainly a US dominated scene at the time, so it made sense to rap in an American accent especially if you wanted to go far with it. It worked for London-Born rappers Monie Love & Slick Rick who managed to break into the US hip-hop scene 🤷🏿♂️
@@truthhurts3305 but again both are based in The US and not The UK.
Thank you for archiving this legendary doco!
Thanks for posting, really appreciate this. Loved this trip down memory lane. Me and our kid played the shit out of this! Almost know this off by heart and haven’t watched this in 20 years! Brilliant, cheers.
I saw an Akala interview where he said the first rappers in the UK used to rap in an American accent.......guess he was spot on
Some did, it's a bit of a generalisation.
Sipho & Bionic section still sounds HarD!!!
Used to have this on video tape. Brings back some good memories
Groove Records. Many Saturday morning spent up there. Loved that place. Turned into the street and you could here the beats.
Same here neil. Was a regular at groove records & hitman records and record shack & bluebird records on weekends after listening to mike allen & tim westwoods rap show’s from 1985. Can’t beat those days 👍
this is brilliant took me way back love it
an amazing piece of journalism! Hip Hop what a legacy! Westwood a pioneer! Ladies looking very lady like, what we like!
GREAT times....Golden era....London rocked to the underground sound...
So I waited 35 years to see that... so much memories here. As a Parisian going to London to get what we already didn't have (mid-eighties)...
This brought back so many great great memories
Loved this video and still do.. Bombin'/Electro Rock etc were so important for our culture then and still resonates today.. What ever happened to DJ Fingers... ??? Our little crew used to be mezmerised by this part of the video and he even made Tom Jones sound dope! ;) ...The graff got us hooked as we could see it was on trains we rode!... Nice piece by Kis42.. And oh yeah Kis42 you still owe me a couple of acid trips when we were at Stages Nightclub Chesham but then you skanked us lmao! .... Plus look at Pride's black and white sketch... Still ruff today...... Also a little off topic I used to have a tape with Cookie Crew rapping live with DJ Boom Bash... If anyone has this I would love a copy!....
ONE NATION UNDER HIP-HOP Dope Documentary NUFF RESPECT! Peace!
Will be in the UK next year! Love from Philly
Did you have a nice time in the uk last year?
Nothin finer than a nice lil trip down ol memory lane....top stuff right there!!! Awww back, back back in the day... o/ lol Thomas Jonez gettin cutted n scratched in.. ummm bet he'z lookin younger than all these today.... Public Enemy were yearz ahead.. different level... Big Upzz all oldskool hiphop n graff headz. Thanx for the share Mr TRB Plu 2 u brother Naterzzz o/
Nuff Respect to Dj Fingers, true Veteran
RIP Jam Master Jay and Sipho
And Mike Allen!
@@VBaskin2010 Have you recordings of
1. Get up stand up ? (Channel 4)
2. The A Force ? (BBC 2)
@@omalone1169 Nope.
sideshowsteve and Janice Long
@@omalone1169i have
I used to listen to Westwood on the radio
Remember seeing this first time round, Bio and Sipho killing it in the back of the car
very cool
Grenfell Tower before death trap cladding at 21.51...SMH
i have that janice long interview on tape! old AM radio 1 recording!.
Me too!!
@@djanil9733 please upload in full
So weird to hear Tim Westwood talking normally loool
Yeah and what about that car - obviously not earning enough for his American Cadillac's at that stage.
Ahh good times.. Remember having that last part of Londen posse in the taxi and live after that on tape.. Still Remember the lines haha my faaair laaady
11:57 Wee papa Hut hut the beat. Off the 12" Rock the clock. Anyone got a digital copy ????
I still remember the day I pulled the remains of my copy of this program out of my VHS video recorder on a 1 Hour tape. :(
(not that I'd be able to play it these days..video recorder? wtf is that ! ?)
Sophie n bionic, the days when manz deh used to share each others lucozade, not today
Sipho
Looks like DJ Milo from the Wild Bunch @1:54
Wonder if Beastie Boys were supporting Run DMC at that Brixton stop?
Posse were light years ahead
Wicked!
Has anyone done a documentary recently off UKHH in these times?
State of Play was a couple years before you left this comment 😆!! It is you tube in 3 parts. It only 30 min in total.
Fuck me westwoods been round for yrs.nuff respect to the old skool.
BigUp ItchFM... Real Nice Beginning of DJ Fingers 'The Syndicate' & Bionic live rhyming in the car to London Posse on stage w/ DJ Biznizz live....the statement 'DEDICATED TO THE UK RAP SCENE, RESPECT DUE' is not something the man followed through with & if he had he would be saying it in 2013 instead of saying 'DROP THE BOMB!BABY' in the studio or when visiting troops a war environment.Shame time made him into whatever word(s) you would describe him as now!.
The cookie crew is raw!!!!
damm tim west wood been around that long
word na u lying he dont look like it lol
Longer than this programme from 87
I think hes back into the 70s
@@shredder9536 He wasn't a hip hop DJ back then. He started playing hip hop around 1985 I think, on Kiss - that was a breakthrough year for hip hop in the UK as Mike Allen's Capital Radio Show got going (started in 84) and Dave Pearce started a hip hop show on BBC Radio London (this later led to his 'A Fresh Start to the Week' Monday evening slot on Radio 1). These were the three main radio pioneers of the mid 80's and they left a huge legacy. Sadly Mike Allen is no longer with us - RIP The Boss in London.
♥ .
quite tragic and sad really that the moment Tim Westwood signed to Radio 1 from Capital Radio & before that the formerly illegal London pirate station known as Kiss FM *nowadays more like commercial shit FM* we all chanted hooray rap & hip hops finally going out to the whole nation.....rap & hip hop will be every where and no longer just seen as a passing fad or for the most part on the underground......how wrong could i have been......the moment Westwood signed to Radio 1 it was all pretty much downhill after that.....my theory is that the real Tim Westwood either got kidnapped by little green men who beamed him up quicker than scottie or maybe they cloned him like Mollie The Sheep and replaced by some carbon copy twat that completely sold the f*ck out to the industry......this is a wicked documentry but its sad that by the time this was produced in 1987 breakin/b-boying had died out & i think its either the COOKIE CREW or WEE PAPA GIRL RAPPERS that mention that.....but its good that everything seems to go full circle.....RAP went in its own direction commercially and ended up as it is now & in the process has gradually forgotton the rest of the culture it derived from ie the DJ'S,the B-BOYS & the GRAFF WRITERS......HIP HOP ain't HIP HOP without the other elements straight up! What many B-boys perform these days is absolutely mind blowing and is worldwide in some countrys that possibly missed the first wave in the early 80's and wasn't exposed to it.....graffiti has also gone global & every subway & railway network has been hit quite heavily over the last 30 years.......dispite rap taking the shitty commercial route on the whole HIP HOP has taken over the whole world in so many ways and influenced so many people and walks of life.....how they dress,how they talk,sharing knowledge & wisdom over the microphone *big respect to KRS 1......nearly 30 years in the game* writers,b-boy crews,turntablists,mc's.....HIP HOPS EVERY WHERE!!!!!!!!!! f*ck da mainstream!!!!!!!!!
YOUR SO RIGHT I WAS VERY GUTTED WHEN HE SIGNED TO RADIO 1 LOTS OF IDIOTS STARTED LISTENING ASWELL IT WENT DOWNHILL.
Fell off a cliff
@@shadowalfie11 This documentry is like a million light years away to how it is now and all that previous 'golden age' generation has is memories. Great memories. The whole B-boying,Turntablizm and Graffiti movements have in many ways become separated from today's mainstream Rap industry where as previously it was all neatly packaged as being one big thing. I'm 44 btw. I'm glad I grew up in and caught this whole era though.
RELICS92 I'm finding myself stuck in the 80s and 90s hip-hop era
@Lidjia JaJdjia Oh yes indeed. At that point I was flipping from Dire Straits and Duran Duran to the Fat Boys,Beastie Boys,Run Dmc etc and then discovered Public Enemy in 88 thanks to a copied tape of a copied tape of probably another copied tape of It Takes a Nation of Millions to Hold us Back. Been a massive fan for 32 years now.
My bredrin Insane Macbeth in the crowd.
Who ?
23:10 Trevor Nelson
Noticed that also
Is Public Enemy and The S1W's in it?
Whats the name of the first tune DJ Fingers was playing anyone???>
Issac Hayes.. Ikes mood.
Bionic is dope
swiss cottage jams....
Whats that wicked piano beat at 5:30?
The tune is by Biz Markie & it's called Make The Music with Your Mouth.
The tune is by Biz Markie & it's called Make The Music with Your Mouth.
bonydox9 The tune is by ISAAC HAYES AND ITS CALLED "IKES MOOD."......
The tune is by ISAAC HAYES and it's called "Ike's mood.."
UBZUKKI
true- the Biz just sampled it-like many others
what is that break at 5:16 , somebody , anybody?
Ikes Mood by Isaac Hayes
Bioniiiiiiiiic
What record is DJ Fingers scratching with at 5:20?
ISAAC HAYES AND ITS CALLED "IKES MOOD."
@@bigpimp347 whats the second track?
@@interioroutlines4633 Public Enemy - my Uzi weighs a ton ? played in the record shop in the back ground ?
or you mean the track westwood talks over in the studio ?
or Run DMC - My ADIDAS ??
which track ??
@@interioroutlines4633 Films by Gary Numan
If only id been born in 1970.
London possie! quality
Dam trevor nelson
If there is no Silver Bullet, Hijack, Guttersnipes or the Brotherhood ( aka the best) this video already gets zero
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Hearing some disturbing rumours on why sipho killed himself man. Zulu nation involved etc. Hope it ain’t true. Smh
Rip!
'zulu nation' one of em in particular, heard that a long time ago
Now what's done in darkness is come to light stateside, them rumours from years back don't sound so outlandish no more
Haha, Trevor Nelson
Westwood about 89
It's 87, it says in the title
Lol yung Westwood
yep, we thought this was good!
How 2 get successful, have a brother who's a freemason. Rev Run...
Wonder how Westwood got job at the BBC..
T I M M Y!
Westwood vs Rodney P in 2019... instagram.com/p/Bvey0RJhFJs/
No ifs and no buts 😮
Shame that Daddy Speedo and Pride both had unsustainable names. I would have called myself Bionic or Kamanchi Sly