JUNKSPIRACIES: T. rex did (NOT) have wings
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Hi! Today we’re tackling the T. rex conspiracy theory that has been going viral on TikTok the last few years. We’ll cover the origins of these ideas, how they exist today on social media, and the reasons why T. rex DEFINITELY DID NOT have wings. This is another episode of Junkspiracies. Enjoy!
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if ear wiggling gets you into a relationship it might be evolutionary advantageous.
I had heard the term "proto-feathers" used to describe what could have possibly been covering some dinosaurs. I'm not an expert but that tells me they were not like bird flight feathers. How do you feel about that description and is there any evidence that the T-rex even had those?
How big (small) is a T Rex forelimb? is it as big a a human leg?
If so, maybe it's very small compared to the TRex body, but I think I could do stuff with an arm as strong as my leg with claws.
Even if it's just holding a prey carcass "open" while I push my head inside to get high calorie high value organs to eat.
Or to push a competitor away during feeding.
Or perhaps while caring for eggs or young TRex
I don't think we should just right them off as completely useless. Afterall they DIDN'T completely disappear!!!
If they were actually useless surely the fossil record would show size reducing?
Is it true the size found so far is consistent relative to body size?
I want to see your ear wiggles now that we know you can. 😂
"These arms are useless, it would make more sense if they were useless, but backwards"
They look like an evolutionary step towards wings
@@Dirt-Fermer They look like something that _some_ people might say looks like an evolutionary step towards wings. But so what?
Yeah, wings would be even more useless.
I'm guessing they're thinking like carnotorus.
Yeah pretty much sums up that argument🤷♂️
"They didn't have useless stubby little arms... they had even more useless stubby little wings!" 😂
tbf display is a pretty significant driver for evolution, and there are winged theropods from the cretaceous as well as feathered tyrannosaurs ☝️🤓
that said its still silly to glance at an ostrich and decide that scientists must have it all wrong lol
I think it's more like emus just arms and proto feathers no flights
Yeah seriously, what would that even do, assuming they weren't vestigial. Did any of their ancestors have wings, vestigial or otherwise?
@Sirfinchyyy plenty of dinosaurs have display features. what does the crest of a triceratops even do? why do so many animals have bright colours? crests? horns? most of the time these features are actively impractical, they exist for intraspecific signalling. many more basal theropods were feathered, and even several tyrannosaurs like yutyrannus. that said, t rex wings are still implausible given the evidence lol. but yes, there were other large theropods with wings, which were likely used for a combination of display and thermoregulation, so it's not all that much of a stretch for some random redditor to theorise about
@@Sirfinchyyy the arms worked and was very strong.
"trex are not birds the same way humans are not squirrels" - love it
That statement made me feel very uncomfortable, seeing as how I'm actually twelve squirrels in a trenchcoat.
Perhaps it would be more accurate to say ...like squirrels are not human.
@@nerfherder4284 Yeah I was just gonna say it might be better to flip the human and squirrel bc of the evolutionary timeline.
Squirrel Girl disagrees.
@@misfits9294although I could very well be wrong. It is just my human bias that I am more evolutionarily complicated and advanced than a squirrel 😂
the argument of "stronger bite force requires smaller arms" was the best argument against this tiktok theory i've ever heard. and than lindsay showed us examples of the inverse with "tiny head, powerful arms" and now therizinosaurus is going to live rent free in my head as the coolest looking dinosaur i've ever seen. dude was out there dclaw specing its prey hundreds of millions of years before this reference would even make sense
Obligatory 'theri was a herbivore' comment
BUT yes theri was badass
A similar idea can be seen with scorpions. The smaller the claws, the [edit MORE] venomous they are.
@@TheBaldrickk Maybe I'm missing something, but wouldn't less effective claws mean, in general, better venom/sting, since it would help them defend themselves/ hunt?
@@adams13245 yeah. It was late, I got it the wrong way round.
I knew what I meant to say, but the wrong thing came out
@@TheBaldrickk That's okay. Have a good day.
i rly like that lindsay’s door and lindsay’s room are standard units of measurement on this channel. i am genuinely over here like “oh wow that’s FOUR of lindsay’s rooms?? that’s crazy” and feel like i have a real better conceptualization of the size of a t. rex now, just based on vibes & the variety of other animals that have been described as being able or unable to fit inside lindsay’s room
Ikr, it's such a fun learning tool
when lindsay does that, it reminds me of that joke post that said "americans will use anything but the metric system" lol
I’m proud to say I’ve molded my algorithm such that I see the debunking before I see the bunking
same
I keep seeing the debunking and going 'what? which people are saying this? who started this? I can't believe that people are thinking this! There are actual people saying this?? Since when?' No bunks cross my feed - which is good.
This is actually a phenomenon that is being studied for its ability to reduce misinformation and tamp down the spread of fake news before it starts - it's called "prebunking" ! Which I think is a really good name hahaha
I feel the same about my algorithm and I'm so glad bc I can avoid falling into these traps, and more than that i fucking love learning facts lol
@ValeriePallaoro same but I've caught my siblings watching AI slop, check on your loved ones
@@RobKaiser_SQuest awwww. 🥰
Of course not. Red Bull wasn't invented yet.
Red Bull gives you wiiiiings
🏅
Solid comment. 😂 Have to give props for that.
You're weird.
I like that. 😊
How do we know for sure? 😊❤ LOL
the thought of a trex waking up from a lil nap and using their little arms to get up was such a cute thought in my head lmao, i no longer find them scary they are babies
I mean we would find them scary irl but since we don’t need to fear them as there extinct animals can always seem scary but they have two sides to them of course ❤
A packet of lard is not walking up a hill. Trex being a brand of lard btw...
T.Rex might.
@@CaollaidheHeir big babies with mouths full of steak knives, just like sharks! Fun fact most shark bites on humans are just them being curious and exploring the world with their mouths like big scaly toddlers. Unfortunately their mouths are full of steak knives and razor blades.
Play Ark (suggest the Survival Ascended over Evolved) and start taming things. You'll find most big and scary things to be your babies. Even spiders the size of dogs.
@@LawrenceOakheartexcept for Troodons and Microraptors. They will always be Satan’s spawn and I refuse to see them as cute lil’ guys.
“I wasn’t expecting to be captivated by feathers”
I did a study on peregrine falcons once and did too far a deep dive into birds in general and honestly it’s astounding how somehow they developed biological Velcro. The way wings intertwine and catch air is nothing short of incredible. We compare planes to birds but it is more like our hot air balloons…. The crosshatching that sustains the flight is awe inspiring.
I read as a kid that velcro is actually based on one of those plants that gets its seeds stuck to your clothes!
@@edgarallenhoe3518 I’m sure but birds wings are also a Velcro of sorts. It’s WILD!
That may be the most heinous thing Lindsay has ever said. Feathers are inherently captivating.
I think another interesting theory for the tiny arms is for balance. The T Rex has a very large head and jaw muscles as you mentioned, and the large tail acts as counter-balance to it. The T Rex was an active hunter that needed to be fast and it would make sense that it might be evolutionarily advantageous for them to have less unneeded weight in the front.
Now I am imagining T-Rex running around with little arms poking out on the side, like airplane wings 😂
But apparently the arms had powerful muscles attached, I've wondered if they were used to help stand up.
Therapod carnivores were kinda like land based sharks when you think about it so it makes sense that they'd evolve a body plan where as little got in between their mouth and their prey.
Its so funny when non scientists or nonpaleotolgists try to say things like this cause its like bones just HAVE a specific orientation when you put them together. Its the reason you can't bend your arm backwards because the bones do not fit that way (unless you can dislocate it and spin it around lol) Theres a reason the T-Rex shoulder looks like that. That large bulky protruding round bone attaches to all the muscle and tendon and the triangular bit at the front stops the arm from crossing over the rib cage so it doesnt dislocate itself. Also I would like to think, given how long we've known about T-rex skeletons, theyve gone through every way to put it together. And because bones are like puzzle pieces there really is only one way to put them together. 😂
*Paleontologist/non-paleontologist
Considering they used to fudge the tail to try to make the T-rex stand upright instead of leaned forward, I'd say, yeah, they have tried lots of ways to put the fossils together. Some people definitely don't seem to understand that bones have a pretty specific way they go together, and that there's even evidence of that *on* the bones themselves, like based on muscle and tendon impressions left behind.
@@DogMechanic Thank fuck we know better now, dinosaurs dragging their tails around is the same as saying that humans vibed on four legs... if anything humans on four legs is more accurate than dinosaurs dragging their tails around, we can walk on all fours, meanwhile if a dino's tail was close enough to the ground to drag around they would've been on their ass...
@@dud3655 lol "humans vibed on four legs" [despite the hole for their spinal collum/brain stem being in the bottom of their skull, and not the back] oh God, bro, shhhh, don't give them any ideas.
@@DogMechanic You just know they'd find a way to justify that shit lol
why, for those people, the thought of t-rex having tiny arms is worse than it having tiny wings ???? both look ridiculus 😭😭😭
It's the allure of a conspiracy theory. "Look, the scientists are wrong about this and I (who know nothing about this topic) know better!"
Actually wings make more sense than baby arms
@@butsagyton5093why though? What would they even do? Not to mention the genetic impossibility of a T-Rex having anything even adjacent to flight feathers.
@sarahblack9333 feathers are used for more than flying. Mating, intimidation, rank structure amongst groups. Literally googling what do birds use feathers and wings for will give you an answer. If you don't know shit don't say shit
@@butsagyton5093Except the problem is, T. rex skin impressions show scales, not feathers. Even if it did have a sparse covering, it'd be more akin to downy hair-like covering than having actual countour wings of a bird if you take into account what Yutyrannus' (an early Tyrannosauroid) feathers look like or the fact Tyrannosauroids split rather early to become their own thing.
Functionality aside, it wouldn't make sense if a feathered Tyrannosaur would have wings at all because none of them stuck long enough to even get any, it's much more questionable for a bald scaley Tyrant to suddenly have their own arms be odd ones out and have feathers for no reason when such a bulky animal could've placed display absolutely anywhere. It also has keratinized brow ridges on it's head, it's very likely that served as a display feature if it was alive.
Edit: also please remain respectful, debates like these aren't to thrash your opponent but to convince them of your stance.
Lindsay: "Not a single scientist has ever said that."
Me, glancing over at my (completely irrelevant) Physics Ph.D: "...No, I really shouldnt."
Don't do it. No stop, stop it no why why why are you like this why
This might be the most ethical way to be labeled as evil scientist and that's a pretty cool title . Just saying.
That is not an ethical way to pursue a grant.
"(completely irrelevant) Physics Ph.D" … I feel called out.
Do the funn
When people say “a scientist” confirmed it without any source. And because of that people just run with it as proof
Yeah pretty much the moment I hear that I go and double check it even if it comes from my own mouth I'll be like you know wait a second let me just double check that source😅
The Jordan Petterson "rats" cameo was amazing.
The image of T-Rex flapping its little wings to make itself look bigger for a mate is too funny.
Reminded of the owl trying to angry-flap at an eagle and getting no sound. So the owl waddles closer, screams, and stomp-waddles off, leaving behind a confused eagle
Tbh I’d want that to be true JUST for that reason alone. It obviously isn’t true, but it’s be God’s funniest joke if it was.
It's like 2,1m guy wearing shoes with thick soles to look more intimidating
@@icarusbinns3156 wait is there an actual video of this? I really want to see it
@@anum4776 I’ve been trying to find something similar. It was at a bird rescue I volunteered at
The absolute perfect use of the "look at all those chickens!" meme! 17:32
I mean, a Jurassic Park reference AND a Vine reference both in one? It's basically perfect!
It's interesting how many people will have entirely vibes-based worldviews. Like they'll just decide, "yeah, wings sound right," do no research, and decide that's the truth lol
Vibes-based worldviews are the roots of many conspiracies, old and new. How people respond to the vibes is an even bigger problem. It bothers me that people act on these vibes, and believe that they are right.
Not that different from other guys believing that they are “Chads,” and that women should be “grateful” for their attention.
@@GlennKurusu It's one thing to be like hmm that'd be cool, imagine if that was real! and deciding that omg I have figured everything out based on vibes
@@laurensuty2760 , a huge portion of our population are illiterate and lack access to resources. That combination is a recipe for conspiracy theories, and the “Me (or Us) vs The World” ideology. It has me like: 🤦♂️.
That's how religion works, yes
@@GlennKurusuhow did you figure that illiterate or the lack of access to resources came into play??
Most of the conspiracies nowadays are spread via the internet: that means access to all the resources and these people are literate.
Sure, there are probably conspiracies made by illiterate people without access to resources, but you and I probably never heard of these conspiracies, because well they would be spread by word of mouth. I don't know about you, but I don't life in a country with a huge illiterate population, so I generally don't interact with many illiterate people.
Great vid! Thanks :)
Nitpick: 7:19 The appendix is no longer considered a vestigial structure (See Kooij, I. A., Sahami, S., Meijer, S. L., Buskens, C. J., & Te Velde, A. A. (2016). The immunology of the vermiform appendix: a review of the literature. _Clinical and experimental immunology,_ 186(1), 1-9 )
I’d say that chickens are one of the closest living relatives that we can really see the similarities with and have a little chuckle about. It’s a myth that makes people smile so it sticks.
As someone with chickens, I often watch them run around and think that certain breeds move the same way I imagine certain dinosaurs would have moved.
For people who know chicken breeds, Brahmas are T-Rex, and lanky breeds like Spitzhauben are smaller raptors.
Watched my SO's chicken chase down and eat a mouse, so yeah. I'll believe that
I think most dinosaurs would have actually moved in a way more similar to modern mammals than modern birds. Modern birds don't really use their knees to move at all but therapods absolutely did run with their knees just like modern mammals or humans.
@@hedgehog3180
Some scientists put what looked like toilet plungers on chickens butts to add weight like a tail and change the way they walk. It’s really striking, I highly recommend watching it if you haven’t.
As for the knees, the femur is pretty short nowadays and it’s covered in feathers so it’s hard to see but they do use them. Look up some videos or GIFs of ostriches running, you can see their knees sometimes.
I see what you mean though, it probably would have been more obvious on dinosaurs. Unfortunately, mammals and especially bipedal mammals all have the wrong foot anatomy so nothing quite lines up perfectly.
i want to make an experiment on like a isolated island and plant in chickens there. no predators jsut prey and see if the chickesn evolve into like giant flightless predator birds.
Another famous fact that isn't true: T-Rexs don't scream like dragons. It's more likely that they make deep rumbling noises much like their very distant alligator cousins.
You mean Jurassic Park isn't completely accurate?
I keep wanting to know if any predator does actually scream or growl at their prey like in the movies. It seems counter productive.
@@steves9250 well, in a proper fight, yes.
In a hunt, unlikely unless they got really really excited.
Also, the proper (scientific) way you spell the short name of Tyrannosaurus rex is T. rex, not T-Rex.
In reality dragons don't scream, they shout, the screaming thing is actually completely made up.
"All vertebrates on land evolved from a common ancestor, usually represented as tiktaalik" **looks up from the tiktaalik I'm crocheting while watching this**
Cool!
I'm interested
I want one I’ll pay $30
That's really cool!
Do you have a pattern for it?
Speaking of feathers, I was at my sister’s house there was a goose feather in her backyard. My 4 year old niece called it a “bird leaf”
That doesn’t have anything to do with this but I thought it was cute
Awwww
I will forever refer to all feathers as Bird Leaves now! That's the cutest thing I've heard in quite some time!
Omg that’s adorable, I’m absolutely stealing that lol
when he teases me with a bird leaf 😍[my apologies]
@@Aedra101it's something common to jokingly call them in the latest generations.
The possibility of T. Rex losing their arms because of what is essentially equivalent to human table manners is interesting but also hilarious.
18:40 i have lots of problems with Carnotaurus lol
Trex having wings is like, if smilodon had lips covering its fangs
The Smilodon-lips thing has at least been theorized by some paleontologists (even though a scientific study has since disproven it), whereas the T. rex-wing thing sounds like it was mainly inspired by Redditors...
Trump is a Smile-o-Don.
The image of a smilodon having lips for its fangs is horrifying
@@TempOne-vh4fd
He lives in your head rent free
@@madtabby66I thought the word play was funny 🤣🤣
A point about arms getting smaller that I have always thought was being missed: In the design of a T.Rex, you have a budget for the mass that is in front of the hips. This is because you need the same mass in the tail to keep the creature balanced. As the head and chomping bits get heavier, you need to reduce weight elsewhere. The further forward from the hips the more advantage you get from reducing the weight. If the arms are not really used then reducing them makes sense.
On the other hand, the T.Rex arm is small but very powerful. It may well have had a use we are missing but this may have only set a minimum size.
what "design" of the t-rex? evolution is an emergent process, not a construction project. there is no consideration of balances and weight distribution being made on prototype models, there are no trade-offs of body part function and utility being in the blueprints. if the arms were becoming vestigial, it's simply because they weren't being used any longer.
how big is your tail compared to that of, say, a spider monkey? they have a much closer genetic relationship to humans than the avialae dinosaurs had to the tyrannosauroidae dinosaurs. care to hazard any guesses as to what survival/breeding advantages evolution "decided" our tails were counterproductive to? particularly since they started diminishing in size and utility in some primate species long before apes existed at all?
@@thehellyousay You know it's a figure of speech and you know it. You look like an A hole trying to pull this. And as for "considerations", nature will "consider" that "hey, if these arms are unbalanced it won't be able to move properly and will die because it needs exponentially more food and energy to grow a larger counter balance of a tail" therefore regardless of use, eventually a more optimal size will be selected for. If the head got too big evolution will dictate those with too big of a head will die out and the reproduction will move towards a more optimal head size. That's a form of "design". Being so anal about words you clearly understood benefits no one when semantics aren't important here. The "considerations" are "fundamental laws of physics and biology" the "design" is the general direction the evolutionary process and pressures drove someone towards. If anything evolution is nothing but a process of throwing endless iterative prototypes at a wall to see what works and those that live long enough to bang get to shaken together to produce a tweaked design that hopefully succeeds in more reproduction. Even biologists will refer to the anatomy of an animal as their "design" since it's just an easy way for humans to communicate a simple concept.
no need to nitpick. it's obvious that they meant that the period's environment selected for their hunting behavior, which benefited most from reduced arm mass
@@thehellyousay 🤓
TRex wasnt the only large carnivorous therapod with tiny arms..the current theory is they began to shrink due to the large jaws and likely pack hunting..you do NOT want arms and hands dangling near prey when other pack members are feeding
so these people think that T. rex evolved FROM birds before birds even existed??? i’m so confused what’s this thought process??
Honestly, I think they just assumed there must have been bird like theropods so maybe a T-Rex could have wings and that seems less weird than mini arms. It doesn’t stand up to scrutiny but at first glance it seems like it may be possible, cause we did think basically all dinosaurs were scaly, when they apparently were not. So it’s not like we haven’t been wrong before. I don’t think it’s that stupid of a theory for a layman to just go “that sounds plausible” but going from “eh that could be true, based on my almost zero knowledge” and “scientists have confirmed this as true!” Is crazy lol
Birds first emerged sometime around the Jurassic, so you can be pretty sure that birds did exist while T. Rex was running around. Just in a whole other clade, because T. Rex was most definitely not evolved from birds (nor are birds evolved from T. Rex).
Part of the problem is just how you name things. If we had called that first fish that dragged itself onto land "a bird" everything would be evolved from birds and the name now just refers to part of its lineage. Scientists hung the name "bird" on only two groups of animals. These are the birds we have today and the "opposite birds" that died out long ago.
Let's be real honest and realize some of these people think dinosaurs and people coexisted or the earth is only 5000 years old and/or flat. The thought process is: "They" are lying to us and we are so smart we are going to not be "fooled".
There is no thought process happening.
14: 24 "Other non winged tetropods do not have fused metacarpals." One more reason we alll should be scared of horses.
Thinking about the sheer number of insect species on earth right now, and how many must have existed way back wen that just werent preserved. Amazing
Thanks. I've long wondered why some dinosaurs have weirdly tiny arms.
And I love that when you started talking about how T. rex isn't even the dinosaur with the smallest arms, I immediately said, "Carnotaurus."
Now I'm imagining a two legged snake. Yes it's tail would rattle. But to summon packmates. You're welcome.
If they hadn't gone extinct, I imagine the ancestors of T-Rex would have lost their forelimbs completely. Theyd be like a massive mouth-snake, propped up on two massive legs.
That artist rendition of Carnotaurus was almost there. And it looks way more uncanny than T-Rex.
you mean descendants?
Mouth-Snake is my favorite metal band.
There's a few who didn't. Rexes seem a tad odd to me as they must use their arms alot to have kept them. Or they're super important as juveniles and hatchlings
the magdeburg unicorn my Beloved ❤
Baby cheetahs naturally having mohawks is the most adorable thing I've ever seen
Omg… imagine Dinosaurs being hatched with feathers and then loosing them as they get older
Camo.....Makes predators think they're Honey Badgers.
@@saphire1sababy378 That seems very likely for some larger therapods, the babies probably needed feathers to keep warm but as they got older they might have lost them since they became so big that their main concern was avoiding overheating, kinda similar to how large land mammals like Elephants and Rhinos don't have much fur.
That “Look at all those chickens” vine was always my favorite. But your version has now taken the top spot. 😂
The dog-sized, winged trex at 17:05 is to die for😂
16:51 “Do we chronically smell like musky piss?”
“Some of us”
😂
"I come from a long line of sleepers" now that would be a cool t-shirt xD or bedsheet design haha
Right? I loved that! 😂 😴
at this point, if Joe Rogan comes up with an idea that makes sense to him, that's your cue to get up, read a book and write up a 15 page dissertation about how stupid the idea is.
That’s the minimum.
You guys ok?
Someone has to, the guy is an insufferable moron.
@@woofman7918no, but still more okay than Joe Rogan.
Wait his podcast is to be taken serious?
It always passed me an idea from the small clips that was just dudes smoking weed and saying bull all the way, but then again only saw small clips to a point the bigger one was a fanmade one of the "Beach that makes you old" with the weird guy that has the voice of a toddler
I love this series. I love just listening to a deep dive into one very specific thing. Thank you, and I'd love to see more!
You are my favourite person to listen to while I eat, very calming
I just did that; now I've finished eating ... do I get snax? or turn off?
@@ValeriePallaoro you can listen forever if you want to
Istg ALL of these "conspiracies" are just people's brain going *oh shiny* because something sounds cool
I'm wondering if the arms played a part in their development as youths.
Possibly yet we're walking around on all 4s as juveniles and once they learned to walk upriggtnthe arms simply lost their mass.
Ever had a broken arm or leg in a cast for a long time? When you atop using muscles they naturally get smaller.
We unfortunately will never know what they were like as juveniles but that's my conspiracy theory about it's arms.
Yes and no. The failure is kinda just this "Oh, that intuitively makes sense" without ever going out of one's way to interrogate that feeling.
Like I can see the line of logic leading to "T-Rex Arms As Wings" Since... We're told so many times that Birds were descended from Dinosaurs. Flightless Birds like Ostriches exist, their wings kinda look similar to the arms of a T-rex. and then ergo they must be the same thing.
They just don't realize to interrogate that feeling and realize "wait, birds would need to exist already in order for t-rex to have wings. Maybe it's just them going through a similar process instead of literally being wings"
@@aquamarinerose5405 agreed , my comment was leftover mild annoyance after seeing the meg vid , where I think it's more applicable
Regarding the appendix as a vestigial organ there's been a few studies that suggest it's actually retained in the body as a sort of reserve area for good gut bacteria. It's been found that people who still have their appendix are less likely to get gastrointestinal infections and are less likely to have side effects from taking oral antibiotics. They are also faster to recover from either. It's suspected that the good bacteria is able to reseed the gut after anything disrupts the natural balance but without it this process takes longer and is more susceptible to upsets.
Vestigial means that it no longer serves the original function, not that it does nothing at all.
The only flaw with that theory is that many people have their appendixes removed and go on to live normal lives after words. But hey I just say things
@@Nikki-FemboyI don’t think the increased vulnerability to gastrointestinal infections has to be so strong that it stops you from living a normal life
Many people also lose limbs and go on to live a normal life. not sure what your point is. @nickrodriguez1759
I was having a conversation with some friends at work this week. I can't remember how the topic came up, but I at one point I intended to say something to the effect of "T-Rex's arms were vestigial," but instead I made a verbal error and said "T-Rex didn't have arms."
All of my friends started laughing at me, firstly for being dumb and saying that T-Rex didn't have arms, and secondly for being a nerd and using the word "vestigial."
I've been laughed at for being dumb, and I've been laughed at for being a nerd - but never for both on the same count. Until now.
It sounds like your work friends suck. I hope you have some better friends outside of your workplace.
RIP
Lol, nerd! 😂😉
Hahaha (someones discovered the truth, take em out)
Lol dumb and nerd
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I really like this video essay format. You delivery + the editing is just pure joy.
I knew she was serious when she didn't say "T-Rex didnt have wings....that we know of"
My most basic immediate response on the Arms of the T. Rex is that they're quite probably just Vestigial. Humans are still occasionally born with a Tail and as far back as we can Trace the Genus Homo Humans have never *actually* had a tail, so If we millions of years later can still be born with vestigial tails then it stands well within reason that T. Rex's arms could both be Vestigial and as yet to be Evolved away entirely, Especially if there were even very niche but genuinely beneficial uses for those arms throughout their lives.
The arms are still functional tho so they were likely being used to some degree even if minor
@@Greatly_Incompetentgood point, even organs like our appendix may have functions we don't understand (it was deemed useless before we even understood that our gut is a biome and bacteria are important). For all we know they were used in mating, or to carry one egg. There is a lot we don't understand, except that they were not wings 😂
They were more useful than in carnotaurus.
@@ExtremeMadnessX maybe however carnotaurus arms have an unusually and unexpectedly high degree of shoulder mobility and the muscle attachments to use said mobility
@@Greatly_Incompetent Well, in Prehistoric Planet, they did show that they could use them to attract potential partners.
The "look at all those tfickenth" meme on top of a shot of Jurassic Park is SO good
Not only the best debunk, this one is full of things you probably didn't know before, it's very informative
Apparently you can tell if someone is a good teacher by how intelligent you feel after learning something from them. You're a really great teacher - you explained all of this in a really understandable way, and I feel very intelligent after watching this haha. I don't know very much about dinosaurs or evolution, or prehistoric life in general, but am still casually interested in it! This video made me want to learn more about it.
I hope some people who watch this video will realize how silly their conspiracy theory is, and change their minds, and maybe even be inspired to learn more too.
12:10 the idea of tiny fluffy t-rex is sooo adorable 😍🥰🤗😂😂😂
Love that I got a midroll ad for Native deodorant right after the "Do we chronically smell like musky piss?" "Some of us" bit
T-Rex with wings sounds like something a 12 year old would come up with 😂
The same type of kid that calls a rhino a Battle Unicorn.
The same type of kid that calls a narwhal a water unicorn
Hey it would make a cool fanasty creature
shut up man there are no real aliens
@@SophieTheAveragePjoFan13 is that kid really wrong tho 🤔
Debunking TikTok nonsense could be a content goldmine as well as a public service
@miniminuteman has a lot of content doing just that
yk 90% of the ocean is unexplored, the t rex might still be alive in the mariana’s trench with fin arms
17 seconds since uploaded but cant stop that linsay nikole grind
1:34 apparently HBO told them it would be 8 episodes not 10 shortly before filming (and during the writers' strikes, so they couldn't rewrite), so big fights were the plan and the network was the one who had that cut off the end of season 2.
OUR QUEEN
OUR QUEEN HAS RETURNED
Best UA-camr. I love the content for reals!
I’m so fucking glad I don’t go on tiktok, seeing all those stupid paleontology and archeology conspiracy videos on there would make me blow a fuse. So glad I get my brain-rotting short-form content from youtube like an intellectual.
I energetically dispute the assertion that wiggling my ears doesn't serve a purpose. How dare you.
Yes, For those of use who wear glasses it lets us wiggle the glasses a bit while we a typing.
My glasses sliding down my nose and my hands being busy, wiggles my ears back to pull the glasses up a bit until hands are free. Yes, usefulness confirmed.
yesss more conspiracy debunking we love it
I feel like science-based conspiracy theories are always less imaginative than the actual (or postulated) truth, since they tend to come from people who aren't experienced in the field theyre conspirazing in.
"Do we chronically smell like musky piss? No."
What!? Whaaaat!? Are you telling us koalas smell like musky piss?!?
All my illusions and now shattered.
Really loving this series so far! Youve been a great dip into the prehistoric hyperfixiation im developing
this fucks me up so bad because i'm sort of accustomed to the colloquial use of "wings" in the context of reconstructing nonavian dinosaurs referring to basically any arrangement of feathers on the arm along a parasagittal plane so while _Tyrannosaurus_ isn't descended from a volant ancestor, phylogenetically close to a volant successor, and lacks pennaceous feathers, the first time i saw debunks about this i was confused because i didn't have the context that the crowd saying it "had wings" meant "vestigial wings from a volant ancestor" and figured everyone suddenly got really mad about the idea of it having just generic, unspecialized tufts on the arms, which sound as likely as any filamentous integument on it honestly.
Why would one refer to hairy arms as wings?
@@jan5915 1) they would be a distant evolutionary predecessor to wings
2) they would, at a glance, share superficial geometry with wings
This is fairly commonly said for Deinonychosaurians, though that raises the spectre of "well maybe Deinonychosaurians are secondarily flightless" and I _really_ don't want to get into that. The pennaceous feathers down the forearms and second digit are commonly referred to as wings irregardless of if any aerodynamic quality is being attributed to them. There's also cases of just structural extensions that are definitely not aerodynamic being called wings but most of those are outside biology anyways.
In the case of large theropods that lacked pennaceous filaments but still had some more basic forms, we might expect the side of the arm held close to the body to be relatively bare as the arms tuck back, and trailing filaments to be arranged in the parasagittal plane, which, yeah, I might get caught calling a "wing" for superficial reasons.
@@northropi2027 Okay, so, how do you and acquaintances of yours that you converse with about topics like these differentiate between superficial wing-esque limbs and actually functional wings? Is there a fancy word for that?
@@jan5915 through context. we're not using "wings" in that sense formally.
@northropi2027 In response to your original comment - YES EXACTLY!
This was a confusing thing for me when I started seeing all these debunks too, and only now after seeing the video do I realize that “oh, they mean the BONES ought to be arranged differently, like actual modern bird wings, and not just that they might have had some arm-feathers”.
I’m so relieved that I wasn’t the only one who came into this confused, and that one of the other people who shared almost my exact thoughts (albeit with much more professional terminology) is a person who actually does this for a living and knows more about it than I do?
TLDR: this might be a bit weird, but thank you for sharing your experience with the initial confusion, I genuinely feel a bit less stupid now and it made me a lot more open to learning something new, and I think that kind of openness from professionals in science can really help open new doors and combat the spread of misinformation? :3
I want to believe T Rex had wings only because imagining them trying to fly with those little arms fills me with joy 😂😂
till one starts doing the impossible
I know Lindsay has a life and job outside of UA-cam but I wish we could get multiple vidoes a week with different segments like “history of life on earth” as well as “junkspiricies”. Love these videos, so grateful for your hard work and time!
I truly love watching your long form videos. The perfect mix of information and fun
Lindsey and Milo from Miniminuteman are my favorite debunkers. I absolutely love their videos.
I just wanted to say something while there aren't many comments. Your content got me into Zoology and has made me consider potential positions and hobbies I wouldn't have if it weren't for you, along with providing crazy shit to tell my friends about extinct critters. You are truly an amazing content creator and I wish nothing but growth and success for you! Keep being awesome, Lindsay!
Please keep doing these, my favorite part is your research into how the conspiracy started, and that's honestly as fascinating as the corrections imo!
“T-Rex with wings” The people yearn for dragons…
now imagine T-Rex with............ PROPORTIONAL ARMS/FRONT LEGS
HOLY SHIT IT WOULD BE DIABOLICAL (and probably way scarier than dragons xd)
So I understand that this video was meant more as "wings no" one. But I wish you would've touched on just how strong those stubbs actually are and why the musculature was never intended for flight. I forget the exact figures and numbers, but a T Rex can one arm curl in excess of 500 pounds. And would be able to bench press over a ton. That's not bird wing and flight level muscle movement or strength, that's ripping tearing fighting levels of strength. And something that I don't think I've ever really heard anyone point out is how Rexs fight, gonna assume they try to bite each others neck while fighting. Well guess what's about the perfect size and location to attempt to scratch at another Rex's face and eyes while being bit.
Thank you algorithm for showing me this channel, probably after Lindsay collaborated with some of my other favorites. One of the coolest channels... that we know of! 😁
19:54 This particular Theropod will stalk my nightmares for a very long time! 🦖
Thank you. That "look at all those chickens" bit made me choke on my coffee.
"And not just by squinting your eyes and looking at the two zoomed out pictures of the skeletons"( 13:39 )... I'm wheezing 🤣
I am obsessed with these junkspiracy vids!!
What people get wrong with T-Rex is its itsy bitsy arms weren't wings.
The wings of T-Rex were its BACK legs!
Duh Duh Duuuuh!
Imagine seeing a flock of migrating T-Rex gracefully flying, in a V formation, south for the winter!
🥹 wow (Jurassic park music swells)
Makes perfect sense. And the tiny arms at the front would have acted like canards for maximum aerobatic manoeuvre with minimum drag.
@@Naturally-Fragrant The hands were obviously for holding onto missiles as T-Rex's lacked an internal gun for combat.
6:23 If Joe Rogan believes something is real, I automatically dismiss it. Dude is good when it comes to MMA commentary but he is not an intellectual.
Please tell me you don't listen to just the people you agree with?
Not the biggest Fan Of Rogan but he did Endorse Independent Candidate RFK Jr before he dropped from the Presidential Race.
@JBTriple8 before he dropped out and endorsed Trump. Say the whole thing.
@@JBTriple8LOL after talking to the lying, three and more timing, corrupt and appeal trump for a few hours and believe that he will "tomorrow his promises"... and claim that all the lawsuit against trump are fake trials and things that he is actually morally up right? LOL
@@widexawake_ It's not about listening to people you might disagree with. It's about coherence. That dude is incoherent. He says things as if they are authoritative but the things he says have little relation to truth or falsehood. People who use Rogan as an information source are like people who use tire rubber as food.
They also got the fact about T. rex having feathers wrong. They didn’t have feathers as adults, maybe a thin layer as babies, iirc
They may have still had some as adults but not many. Feathers could be in a few areas as a display. I don't think we know. It is like the skin color thing. We think of them as greenish brown but color is not preserved. They may or maynot have been counter shaded.
Yeah she has a. Whole section of the video about that
It was an old comment from 6 years ago. I think at that time it was either still debated if they had feathers or more recently settled that they likely didn't so the normal person would still assume the fewthered model. I'm not saying you are wrong. Its true they aren't fathered or greatly festhered at least, but it is within reason that back then a person might not know that
The most recent model I saw was a research paper that proposed a theory of them basically losing feathers as they grow. You would start with tiny feathery murder chickens, and then it would reduce itself towards being more like a vest as they moved into juveniles, and as adults, they were likely completely unfathered or minimally feathered.
The big thing is needing more fossilized skin impressions. One of those things that doesn't get talked about much outside of reading the actual published research papers and not the constantly parroted aspects in pop science is that a good sample can actually preserve the right elements to allow us to see what the pigman providing structures were so we can actually get a decent idea for broad colours, though certain colours do not preserve any evidence for them. A really great place to look for this is actually Ceratopsians where we have found some incredible evidence relating to the beautiful colour billboards that they likely had. Since we've yet to find any evidence for feathers on adults the next best thing would actually be to see if there are alternative display structures on adults. If there are then it is less likely to assume a feathered display structure.
Something we do know is that melanin, the primary pigment used in nearly every animal to get darker pigments preserves very well. Not only that, but it spreads from the neurological system. In other words the spine. This means that the darker backdrop to make a display structure more visible. What is the likely towards the back of the animal which is significant as it actually gives us a better place to look for skin impressions of such. It also lets us make the default assumption that it was probably countershaded. Though this counter shading wouldn't have actually been there to provide a benefit, as counter shading isn't actually that useful on land. It would have however show that it didn't need to be darker on the bottom. That's the weirdness with counter shading. It either occurs because it's useful, or because not having it isn't necessary. And which one really depends on the circumstances. It's why it's not uncommon for cats to have white bellies for example, when the rest of them are quite distinctly colored. The same can be seen in animals such as canines, and even elephants if you look closely. Pigment is biologically expensive and if you don't need it somewhere it's better not to have it. Just part of the basic optimization of evolution.
My personal hypothesis is that if there were colorful display patterns. We would likely see them on the head on the flank around the shoulder. And if there were feather display structures would see them on the or around the shoulders and neck where they would be more visible from the front and side.
I mean, unless we've got preserved skin from the area we don't really know.
Junkspiracies are amazing. The world needs more of these!
TikTok is one of the worst things to ever happen to humanity. I remember when TikTok was new and my 21 year old currently in college at the time cousin tried to tell me dinosaurs are fake and never existed.
About that ending, where so many species have been lost and we don't have SO many, for context, as far as I know we only have ONE complete Trex skeleton. One. EVERYTHING we know about it, how popular it is, we have ONE complete version. And I'm not even certain that's from one dig, and isn't instead jigsawed together from several specimens.
Yeah; but we are (tetrapods are) symmetrical. So if you find a bunch of bones and they're just bits from either side you can create a full skeleton. On top of that, dinosaur bones are found in stone that has kept the shape of the body that fell there and was covered with silt; so you can draw the shape of the body mass outside of the skeleton. We're not stupid. Thinking we can't do the same as a forensic scientist for t-rex? What are you saying?
@@ValeriePallaoro I'm saying we DON'T actually find full body impressions the VAST majority of the time. AT ALL. Skin impressions are more common, and that's most often itself partial. Full body? Like, the WHOLE impression? Almost never.
And yes, symmetry exists, but how many vertebrae did the dino have? Especially in the tail? Where do the spikes go? This was a BIG issue with stegosaurus for a LONG time.
Sue is a single specimen that was discovered at a single dig, I think that's the T-rex you're thinking about. But we do have other fairly complete T-Rex specimens, like around half complete so Sue is far from the only highly complete T-Rex specimen.
Like it's true that the fossil record is incomplete but you are somewhat overstating that, complete fossils are rare but they're not like unheard of and we do have many complete or nearly complete fossils.
@@hedgehog3180 Fairly complete, but by how much? Sue would still be the ONE.
As for the record being incomplete, I meant in the vastness of species on Earth. We have less than 1% of examples of all life that has existed, from the SPECIES level, not including individual level. How many Rex sites have been found? Say, 1000? Out of how many rexes that ever lived? Fossilization is RARE to the extreme, is what I was saying, when you look at the overall numbers.
Quick, someone repaint T-Rex into “The Fall of Icarus”.
2:56 "some pretty solid stats if you ask me"
Lindsey imwo you’re the best science communicator on this platform bar none, no ego no need to dunk on others and the best catch phrase ever, “that we KNOW of” you have cultivated the most inviting and accommodating and therefore educational ethos of all the channels thanks and keep up the good work
Whoever decided to place that “look at all those chickens” meme at the exact second nearly made me choke. Bravo
A t-rex running at you would already scary enough to make me shit myself, a t-rex flying at me is a whole lot of "OH HELL NO!"
A flying T-rex? Did you watch the video? Also, does it look at all like those appendages could support the body of the T-rex at all let alone enough to give it lift on the air with feathers? Stfu
Like roaches. Roaches walking is bad enough but when they fly? No thanks I'm burning the house
However a t-rex flapping his pudgy wing will make the prey laugh until incapacitating. Perhaps that is the user for the wings. LOL.
Science has confirmed that Tic Tok is icky.
CAN YOU PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE do a video about the haast’s eagle it’s so interesting and cool and you’re so good at talking about things
hi, i just wanted to say i just started high school and i have to say this was way more fun and way more educating than anything from my previous classes. super fun video please make more!!!
Found your channel recently, loving the enthusiasm, humor and scientific communication style! 👍
that transition to the sponsorship was next level tho-
The only thing I’ve learned from this whole video is that kangaroos are birds. 😂😂
Behold, a man!
@@PlatinumAltaria😂😂
I hope if people take anything away from this video, it’s that theropods were way more diverse than we give them credit for and that simply dividing them by just what is and isn’t a bird can be as reductive as just calling all dinosaurs “big lizards”
Great video as always, love your delivery! Small side note, though: we currently do not classify appendix as a vestigial organ, due to new data with regards to its use in human body.
None of the other content i consume is anything like this, but lindsay just makes it so damn interesting, i love this shit