@@petebeard I agree, and thanks for saying that. I think your description in the video itself was sorely lacking and dwelled more on the negative than the positive. But thanks for saying it here. And thank you for your lovely videos.
Absolutely amazing the number of people who gave up doing ASTONISHING “illustration “ for dull dull dull “proper” art! I DO think there is a difference but honestly I think Illustration is better. Another brilliant episode, thank you SO MUCH for having made these and put them on line...
Hi and I try to keep my personal sentiments out of the videos (I actually dislike quite a few of the illustrators I feature) but I share your view about those who jack it in to create indifferent art. I'm not wild about the idea that one has more intristic value than the other.
@@petebeard Words fail me with regards to those who rejected Kay Nielsen at the end. What a miserable bunch of . . . I have a couple of Bateman books that I bought from Claude Cox in Ipswich. I always used to frequent his antique bookshop when I was at college. Some of my grant money was well spent. That's how I familiarized myself with a number of the illustrators that you feature. It's still a pleasure to find out about more. All thanks to your videos. 👍👍
Fascinating to hear some of the artists' back stories while enjoying such a variety of styles by inspiring illustrators. Thank you for another super episode.
It is a lovely opportunity to get such information in an organised manner. Getting to know about various artists and their styles in well-explained videos is a privilege. Thank you for creating them.
What a great series of informative videos. Thanks so much for all the work involved in making them. I enjoyed them and will certainly be coming back to the others in the series.
Thanks Pete! What really makes me wonder is the small number of comments under each video. To me the iinelligense and effort invested deserves more audience.
Hello again and many thanks for your comment, and particularly doing so in English as I assume you are Russian. Naturally I would be happy with more viewers, subscribers and comments, but to be honest I never imagined I would have as many as I do. Compared to teaching 25 mostly indifferent students this is paradise.
If forced to pick a favorite illustrator, it has to be Kay Nielsen. I was first exposed to his drawings in almost postage stamp sized repros in an annotated book of fairy tales, but I was still blown away by them. I now own the Taschen edition of East of the Sun and West of the Moon, a jewel in my semi-respectable personal library.
#4 What an interesting episode. You covered a range from a very talented female illustrator of beautiful childhood subjects, to a skilled artist of WWI era erotica, to a mildly psychotic whose art ranged from an interesting oriental style and a dark melancholy and finally to a humorous cartoonist. Quite the gamut and a wide field for one to enjoy. Thanks again.
Many thanks for the comment and appreciation of the mixed bag approach taken in the unsung heroes series. I think I'll be starting it up again in a month or two.
Pete, I think what you have made here and the previous ones is possibly the most amazing info. I really appreciate it. I think the way you have done it is really positive and to be honest very motivational. Thank you very much!!! Where can we contact you, website etc.
Hi Barry Thanks for the positive comments. It's good to know there are others who are interested in illustration. I don't have my own website - I'm represented by the illustrator's agency and if you google them my work is featured there
I have a little entertainment blog and have a weekly artist feature in which I invest a lot and make a lot of research and your channel is an absolute gem! I stumbled upon it while lookign up for Kay Nielsen and didnt realize I was already suscribed!
Hello and many thanks for your appreciation of the channel. I don't know if you are aware of it but unsung 75 lists who features in the first 50 (in the description box)and unsung 76 has 51 to 75. It makes finding particular illustrators a bit easier.
Hello again, and I've always been a fan of early Disney background art. A pity that Nielsen sort of blew his later career - he was a great illustrator.
Do you have one of Anant Pai of Amar Chitra Katha? If not please do one. Seeing how long you've been doing this I assume you have quite the backlog to do though.
Hello and many thanks for this suggestion. Finding information about Indian illustrators - and quite a few other countries in what for me is the East - is very difficult over here. So I'm particularly glad that you have introduced me to this illustrators work. Unfortunately he was born too late to feature in the unsung heroes series (latest year of birth is 1910), but if I can find a place for his work in some other context I will.
Hello again and that's an interesting question to which there is no definitive answer. But you are right about the paper the images were drawn and painted on. To get that soft tonal transition they had to use what I think is called 'ragged' paper. Thick, absorbent and highly textured. I used to use one called Bockingford if memory serves. As far as print was concerned the colour pages were reproduced quite faithfully (in most cases) on inserted pages of bright white art paper. And another thing which clouds the issue is that much of what we see now in books and certainly on the web are from not terribly high quality scans and very rarely from the original art. Sorry for the lengthy response but I hope it's clarified to an extent.
How big were many of the original works? And to what sizes were they usually scaled to for the public? Also, where are all of these originals? Thrown away by the artist or withheld by the publishers?
Just a thought, but have you ever considered including an image of the artists themselves along with their story? I understand many are very old and pictures might not be available.
Hello, and as you rightly imagined that idea was blown out of the water as soon as I realised that finding photos of the great majority was an impossibility. I'm just grateful the work has survived.
"The last (probably) in the series devoted to golden age illustrators the world has largely forgotten..." This statement hasn't aged well. (Thank Heavens!)
Hello and yes that was in hindsight somewhat pessimistic on my part. I genuinely had no idea that I would open such a Pandora's box of delights. Or for that matter that anyone would subsequently be bothered watching them. Sometimes it's nice to be wrong. Thanks for being along for the ride.
Hello and thanks for the question. It's by Sidney Bechet and it's called Si tu voi ma mere. Little did I know I'd get de-monetized for using copyrighted music at the time. Soon learned my lesson. But it is a gloriously atmospheric piece.
Sorry about that. I couldn't stand the sound of my voice so subconsciously tried to bury it. Then viewers said they liked my voice so later videos have better balanced soundtracks. Any others like this one you could turn the sound down/off and use the subtitles.
Thanks for putting a name to J.W. Smith's work. Dis guy *Joe Grant* introduced Kay Nielsen as well as Heinrich Kley to Disney. Its said Nielsen's concepts also influenced the movie "Little Mermaid". 9:12 fur texture is reminiscence of Louis Wain's schizophrenic cat. *Thanks* again for your presentation So, howz is " the last (probably) ... of the Golden Age" illustrators working out? (from intro) Glad it wasn't
Yet another comment While Joe Grant influenced Fantasia's segment 'Days of the Hours' with Heinrich Kley, elephants and alligators, Thorton Hee influence was T.S. Sullivan, hippopotamuses and ostriches. To dovetail back to the first comment, as Jim Woodridge acknowledges T.S. Sullivan as an influence, it brings up the thought of a presentation including ... Jim Woodridge Herbert Crowley Louis Wain and, another you mentioned in another (smut) comment which I can't find. For the 'Rite of Spring' Fantasia segment Julian Huxley, brother of Aldus "Acid" Huxley, was brought in as a constultant. Disney's next film "Dumbo" with its 'Dance of the Pink Elephants' nowadays conjures up an association with Elephant = E= Ecstasy (MDMA), Pink Elephant pills. Possible germ of an idea for another presentation with Windsor McCay and others.
Hello and thanks a lot for following the channel. You have a nice list of favourite artists there, and I'm very much devoted to the French illustrators of the 1920s. If you haven't seen it already there is a series on French illustration on the channel you might enjoy.
I loved Kay Neilsen as a child. Still do. Everyone has a rise and fall. I think he deserved better here...
Hello and welcome to the channel. Neilson was one of the more distinctively styled - and later influential - illustrators of his generation
@@petebeard I agree, and thanks for saying that. I think your description in the video itself was sorely lacking and dwelled more on the negative than the positive. But thanks for saying it here. And thank you for your lovely videos.
Absolutely amazing the number of people who gave up doing ASTONISHING “illustration “ for dull dull dull “proper” art! I DO think there is a difference but honestly I think Illustration is better. Another brilliant episode, thank you SO MUCH for having made these and put them on line...
Hi and I try to keep my personal sentiments out of the videos (I actually dislike quite a few of the illustrators I feature) but I share your view about those who jack it in to create indifferent art. I'm not wild about the idea that one has more intristic value than the other.
@@petebeard Words fail me with regards to those who rejected Kay Nielsen at the end. What a miserable bunch of . . .
I have a couple of Bateman books that I bought from Claude Cox in Ipswich. I always used to frequent his antique bookshop when I was at college. Some of my grant money was well spent. That's how I familiarized myself with a number of the illustrators that you feature. It's still a pleasure to find out about more. All thanks to your videos. 👍👍
Fascinating to hear some of the artists' back stories while enjoying such a variety of styles by inspiring illustrators. Thank you for another super episode.
Hello again and thanks a lot for your continued appreciation of the content.
I love Art Nouveau and Art Deco. These illustrators were magnificent. I always love your videos. Thank you
Hello and many thanks for your comments and appreciation. Positive feedback is always a pleasure to have.
It is a lovely opportunity to get such information in an organised manner. Getting to know about various artists and their styles in well-explained videos is a privilege. Thank you for creating them.
Hello and many thanks for your appreciation of the channel content. It's a great pleasure to know that you enjoy the videos.
What a great series of informative videos. Thanks so much for all the work involved in making them. I enjoyed them and will certainly be coming back to the others in the series.
Hi and thanks a lot for your positive comments. I'm not exactly viral so it means a lot
Your videos motivate me to keep drawing and give me peace before sleep Sir.
Thank you a lot
Hello and I'm glad the channel is appreciated by you. Thanks for watching.
Thanks Pete! What really makes me wonder is the small number of comments under each video. To me the iinelligense and effort invested deserves more audience.
Hello again and many thanks for your comment, and particularly doing so in English as I assume you are Russian. Naturally I would be happy with more viewers, subscribers and comments, but to be honest I never imagined I would have as many as I do. Compared to teaching 25 mostly indifferent students this is paradise.
I am loving this series of artists. Jesse Willcox Smith is a favorite of mine.
Hello and that's really good to know. And I hope you think I did a decent job on J W S/
If forced to pick a favorite illustrator, it has to be Kay Nielsen. I was first exposed to his drawings in almost postage stamp sized repros in an annotated book of fairy tales, but I was still blown away by them. I now own the Taschen edition of East of the Sun and West of the Moon, a jewel in my semi-respectable personal library.
The more of these I watch, the more I want to watch Thank you, Pete!
Aha! That's all part of my cunning plan. Seriously, thanks a lot for the comment.
I wish Kay Neilson's descendents had given his art to me. I adore his work. I like Miss Smith too.
Hello and thanks a lot. I hope you'll continue to watch and please share if you can.
The narration and writing is perfect.
#4
What an interesting episode. You covered a range from a very talented female illustrator of beautiful childhood subjects, to a skilled artist of WWI era erotica, to a mildly psychotic whose art ranged from an interesting oriental style and a dark melancholy and finally to a humorous cartoonist. Quite the gamut and a wide field for one to enjoy. Thanks again.
Many thanks for the comment and appreciation of the mixed bag approach taken in the unsung heroes series. I think I'll be starting it up again in a month or two.
This is very inspiring and entertaining work that you are putting together. Thank you.
Hello and thanks a lot for your comment. It's great to be appreciated.
Thanks. I really enjoyed watching these and becoming more familiar with these Illustrators' work. I certainly wish I had their talent.
Pete, I think what you have made here and the previous ones is possibly the most amazing info. I really appreciate it. I think the way you have done it is really positive and to be honest very motivational.
Thank you very much!!! Where can we contact you, website etc.
Hi Barry
Thanks for the positive comments. It's good to know there are others who are interested in illustration.
I don't have my own website - I'm represented by the illustrator's agency and if you google them my work is featured there
I have a little entertainment blog and have a weekly artist feature in which I invest a lot and make a lot of research and your channel is an absolute gem! I stumbled upon it while lookign up for Kay Nielsen and didnt realize I was already suscribed!
Hello and many thanks for your appreciation of the channel. I don't know if you are aware of it but unsung 75 lists who features in the first 50 (in the description box)and unsung 76 has 51 to 75. It makes finding particular illustrators a bit easier.
@@petebeard Didnt know at all will definitely check it out like that tysm!
Pete I LOVE your videos, please keep making more :)
Thanks a lot -there will be a few more-don't know how many though
Pete
@@petebeard Would you care to guess how many videos now, dear Mr. beard?
"a few more" ....I'm gratified that you proved yourself wrong, win-win!
@@majomaja5646 Hello and so am I. But I'm a little perturbed to realise I've now got more to do than I've already done - and life is all too short!
Love this and very informative. Thanks for posting
Glad you like it and I hope you'll watch more. I was so completely wrong when I thought this would be the last in the series
TS 9:45 that *Fantasia* art by *Nielsen* is beautiful ...that movie was ahead of its time
Hello again, and I've always been a fan of early Disney background art. A pity that Nielsen sort of blew his later career - he was a great illustrator.
Thank you, Mr. Beard.
I deeply enjoyed this episode, thank you!
...and thanks again for your ongoing positive feedback. It's greatly appreciated. And naturally enough I hope you will stick around for more.
Emmm that was seriously interesting! Glad I watched it, thanks for posting.
Hello and thanks a lot for the comment.
Thanks for signing their songs, Peter Beard!
Hello again and thanks for your recent comments. I'm glad you continue to appreciate the content.
3:36 Chéri Hérouard
0:31 Jesse Wilcox Smith
A valuable Illustrative arcieve.
Thanks very much. It's good to know the channel is appreciated.
Gozo! Why, that's the island next door. Greetings from Malta Mr Beard.
And greetings from grim northwest England. Never been but I bet life's good there.
@@petebeard Too small and too sunny. Worth a visit all the same.
good job👍👍
Do you have one of Anant Pai of Amar Chitra Katha? If not please do one. Seeing how long you've been doing this I assume you have quite the backlog to do though.
Hello and many thanks for this suggestion. Finding information about Indian illustrators - and quite a few other countries in what for me is the East - is very difficult over here. So I'm particularly glad that you have introduced me to this illustrators work. Unfortunately he was born too late to feature in the unsung heroes series (latest year of birth is 1910), but if I can find a place for his work in some other context I will.
cool
7:14 Kay Nielsen
😉🙏🏻
How was the graininess achieved in watercolors of that era? What it quality of paper or printing?
Hello again and that's an interesting question to which there is no definitive answer. But you are right about the paper the images were drawn and painted on. To get that soft tonal transition they had to use what I think is called 'ragged' paper. Thick, absorbent and highly textured. I used to use one called Bockingford if memory serves. As far as print was concerned the colour pages were reproduced quite faithfully (in most cases) on inserted pages of bright white art paper. And another thing which clouds the issue is that much of what we see now in books and certainly on the web are from not terribly high quality scans and very rarely from the original art. Sorry for the lengthy response but I hope it's clarified to an extent.
How big were many of the original works? And to what sizes were they usually scaled to for the public?
Also, where are all of these originals? Thrown away by the artist or withheld by the publishers?
11:00 H.M Bateman
Just a thought, but have you ever considered including an image of the artists themselves along with their story? I understand many are very old and pictures might not be available.
Hello, and as you rightly imagined that idea was blown out of the water as soon as I realised that finding photos of the great majority was an impossibility. I'm just grateful the work has survived.
"The last (probably) in the series devoted to golden age illustrators the world has largely forgotten..." This statement hasn't aged well. (Thank Heavens!)
Hello and yes that was in hindsight somewhat pessimistic on my part. I genuinely had no idea that I would open such a Pandora's box of delights. Or for that matter that anyone would subsequently be bothered watching them. Sometimes it's nice to be wrong. Thanks for being along for the ride.
Peter,
What's the music you used to narrate the part of Chèri Herouard?
I recently discovered your channel which I enjoy watching so much.
AG
Hello and thanks for the question. It's by Sidney Bechet and it's called Si tu voi ma mere. Little did I know I'd get de-monetized for using copyrighted music at the time. Soon learned my lesson. But it is a gloriously atmospheric piece.
I find that the music competes with the voice. Wish ot were softer or not there at all.
Sorry about that. I couldn't stand the sound of my voice so subconsciously tried to bury it. Then viewers said they liked my voice so later videos have better balanced soundtracks. Any others like this one you could turn the sound down/off and use the subtitles.
Thanks for putting a name to J.W. Smith's work.
Dis guy *Joe Grant* introduced Kay Nielsen as well as Heinrich Kley to Disney. Its said Nielsen's concepts also influenced the movie "Little Mermaid".
9:12 fur texture is reminiscence of Louis Wain's schizophrenic cat.
*Thanks* again for your presentation
So, howz is " the last (probably) ... of the Golden Age" illustrators working out? (from intro)
Glad it wasn't
9:15 the overlap of the two images, cat and forest (neurons), perhaps illustrates how Nielsen was feeling.
Carl Jung painted similiar images.
Yet another comment
While Joe Grant influenced Fantasia's segment 'Days of the Hours' with Heinrich Kley, elephants and alligators, Thorton Hee influence was T.S. Sullivan, hippopotamuses and ostriches.
To dovetail back to the first comment, as Jim Woodridge acknowledges T.S. Sullivan as an influence, it brings up the thought of a presentation including ...
Jim Woodridge
Herbert Crowley
Louis Wain
and, another you mentioned in another (smut) comment which I can't find.
For the 'Rite of Spring' Fantasia segment Julian Huxley, brother of Aldus "Acid" Huxley, was brought in as a constultant.
Disney's next film "Dumbo" with its 'Dance of the Pink Elephants' nowadays conjures up an association with Elephant = E= Ecstasy (MDMA), Pink Elephant pills.
Possible germ of an idea for another presentation with Windsor McCay and others.
how H,M went out sound like the way to do it. XD ill take my island retirement and mediocre paintings when i know Im good and wrong out.
You're absolutely right. I had hoped to retire to Spain but Covid seems to have other ideas.
@@petebeard covid ruining plans all year.
Bateman was amazing.
That you think so gladdens my heart. I've been a great admirer of his work for the last half century or so. A truly individualistic talent.
hello, im a cheri herouard fan!!!
Her work reminds me of the Swedish artist Carl Larson.
Hello again and thanks for the comment. Carl larson is patiently waiting in line to feature in the series, along with a frightening number of others.
NIELSEN that guy totally influenced fantasy art and heavy metal album artists?
Hello and he certainly did. Not the only one from this period either, but certainly one of the most influential.
Love Nielsen
jessie wilcox smith, margaret tarrant, kate greenaway, cheri herouard, george pavis...
Hello and thanks a lot for following the channel. You have a nice list of favourite artists there, and I'm very much devoted to the French illustrators of the 1920s. If you haven't seen it already there is a series on French illustration on the channel you might enjoy.