Another very strong lesson here thank you. I especially like the way the bebop "characteristics" are drawn from the chords "automatically" - no need to "look" to theoretical material - ears and sound are a stronger guide. I found this a very natural way in to link melody and chord which you (well "I") can't easily pick up from peering at writing and trying to imagine.
I started teaching myself jazz 3 years ago. I didn't even bother learning lead guitar at all, since my main drive was incorporating "jazzy" chords into my songwriting. Learning chord changes made it so much easier to understand the form of jazz in general; so many repeating patterns. And then realizing that most chord progressions are just super complicated 251s disguised by substitution and modal mixture. The 2 biggest things that sped up my learning were 1) learning the entire album "chet baker sings," by listening to it on youtube at .25 speed and trying to figure out the piano chords on guitar by ear. Russ Freeman is a genius 2) Using jazz chord tropes in my own music For the record though, I had been playing guitar for 15 years before this, so I already had a knowledge of 7th chords and scales.
The Stella changes over Em7b5-A7b9: Inspired by your backdoor vids I played the lick not with Emin7-A7 (where you say it's cheaty) but with Gmin7-C7 (C7 being the backdoor dominant!) and I think this sounds very good, better than pretending to be Emin7-A7. Also the progression of the melody Gmin7-C7 Cmin7-F7 Fmin7-Bb7 has a very nice consistency by moving in 5ths down
Great lesson. My thoughts: While chord/scale theory and playing lines/vocabulary are both valid approaches, the problem with chord scale relationships as an intro to jazz is that it frustrates the beginner and doesn’t quickly lead to making music. There is more immediate satisfaction and results in learning lines/licks and varying/implementing them in your playing. The theory will ultimately come when you explore why the lines work. Robert Conti has made a teaching career off of this approach.
Thanks! Yeah. I think the main problem is asking learners to improvise jazz is asking them to do too many things. Improvise OR jazz. If you forgive the analogy, the problem is (for me) is learners are being given a box of paints and asked to have at it. This may even produce attractive results, but to be a great representational painter you need to study the old masters, paint from life etc etc.
The other thing is they do teach this at music school (at least some of them). It’s not ‘out of the mainstream’ and is widely known. But for some reason we don’t start beginners down this path, by and large. I don’t know why. I guess people are impatient to jam.
The deeper I get into my bebop studies, the more I realize how important the rhythm is... Precision with harmony is definitely an aspect, but the rhythm and pulse of the line is what separates the wheat from the chaff. For me--I REALLY gotta work on owning that downbeat, no matter what I play. Afterall, you don't want to BEEP where ya shoulda BOPPED--that's a criminal offense. The punishment is life in prison listening to "Jazz Cafe" or whateva the fuck algorithm created jazz they play at coffee shop speakers instead of the REAL thing ;)
Another very strong lesson here thank you. I especially like the way the bebop "characteristics" are drawn from the chords "automatically" - no need to "look" to theoretical material - ears and sound are a stronger guide. I found this a very natural way in to link melody and chord which you (well "I") can't easily pick up from peering at writing and trying to imagine.
One of your best!!! This is just what I needed to hear!
Excellent ! 🤘
Fantastic. Thanks!
Amazing, thanks
I started teaching myself jazz 3 years ago. I didn't even bother learning lead guitar at all, since my main drive was incorporating "jazzy" chords into my songwriting. Learning chord changes made it so much easier to understand the form of jazz in general; so many repeating patterns. And then realizing that most chord progressions are just super complicated 251s disguised by substitution and modal mixture.
The 2 biggest things that sped up my learning were
1) learning the entire album "chet baker sings," by listening to it on youtube at .25 speed and trying to figure out the piano chords on guitar by ear. Russ Freeman is a genius
2) Using jazz chord tropes in my own music
For the record though, I had been playing guitar for 15 years before this, so I already had a knowledge of 7th chords and scales.
That’s the way!
The Stella changes over Em7b5-A7b9: Inspired by your backdoor vids I played the lick not with Emin7-A7 (where you say it's cheaty) but with Gmin7-C7 (C7 being the backdoor dominant!) and I think this sounds very good, better than pretending to be Emin7-A7. Also the progression of the melody Gmin7-C7 Cmin7-F7 Fmin7-Bb7 has a very nice consistency by moving in 5ths down
@@gmitter-sl3qq yes - a little bit beyond the scope of this vid but absolutely
Great lesson. My thoughts: While chord/scale theory and playing lines/vocabulary are both valid approaches, the problem with chord scale relationships as an intro to jazz is that it frustrates the beginner and doesn’t quickly lead to making music. There is more immediate satisfaction and results in learning lines/licks and varying/implementing them in your playing. The theory will ultimately come when you explore why the lines work. Robert Conti has made a teaching career off of this approach.
Thanks! Yeah. I think the main problem is asking learners to improvise jazz is asking them to do too many things. Improvise OR jazz. If you forgive the analogy, the problem is (for me) is learners are being given a box of paints and asked to have at it. This may even produce attractive results, but to be a great representational painter you need to study the old masters, paint from life etc etc.
The other thing is they do teach this at music school (at least some of them). It’s not ‘out of the mainstream’ and is widely known. But for some reason we don’t start beginners down this path, by and large. I don’t know why. I guess people are impatient to jam.
The deeper I get into my bebop studies, the more I realize how important the rhythm is... Precision with harmony is definitely an aspect, but the rhythm and pulse of the line is what separates the wheat from the chaff. For me--I REALLY gotta work on owning that downbeat, no matter what I play. Afterall, you don't want to BEEP where ya shoulda BOPPED--that's a criminal offense. The punishment is life in prison listening to "Jazz Cafe" or whateva the fuck algorithm created jazz they play at coffee shop speakers instead of the REAL thing ;)
@@meammyfr does that mean you'll mail me the "get outta Jazz Cafe Jail" card for free?
I heard Barry Harris say that Horace Silver woule write his solos out
Interesting ..,